The Madness Called Human Rights Activism!

[Abu-Fatima]

Sometimes I wonder: what a large collection of dumb asses are human rights activists? In their craze pretentions of protecting human rigths, they almost always end-up backing the wrong horse. Now consider the Iranian case as a typical example. A guy who couldn’t win the heart of a young lady decided to pour acid into her eyes. At the end of the day the poor lady lost not only her sight, but has her face disfigured. A competent court of law ruled that that wicked man should also be given the same acid treatment: an eye for an eye. Now all the so-called human rights activists are shouting: given the man the acid treatment is a violation of human rights which all civilize peoples (I don’t know what 'civilize peoples' is supposed to mean!) should condemn. Hey come to think of it, they are talking of the rigth of the victimiser and not of the victim: what about the victim's rights? What manner of logic guides the reasoning of such human rights activists? Am I communicating? Will some-one please help me understand this madness?

[Mai sanyi]

This is not a human right but human cheat it is nothing but injustice and selfishness. this is a fair judgement to equalize what he did ,becouse she is also a human like him, she has her own right. why cant they fight for her?

[bakangizo]

Thats the twisted western ways for you. The culprit almost aways becomes the hero.

[neozizo]

In their quest to be "objective" and "just" they end up with the resulting madness.
When a come commits atrocities he has automatically forfeited some of his "human rights"

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

Justice does not mean that you lower yourself to the same wicked level as the criminal.
Pouring acid into the man's eyes is revenge, not justice.
Justice cannot be served by acts of wickedness.

There appears to be a lot of confused people contributing to Kano Online.

Let me ask a question.
If somebody arranges to have two planes full of entirely innocent people fly into two buildings full of entirely innocent people killing several thousand innocent people should he be put on a plane and flown into a building himself as he is obviously a mass murderer?
Presumably US was quite right to shoot him.

Oops, Sorry. I forgot some people on this site think this man is a "martyr".

What if your innocent mother or your sister oryour daughter had been one of the unfortunates murdered by being on the plane or in the towers. Woud this mass mi murderer still be a saintly martyr?
Because somebody does something wicked to you does this mean you can go and do something wicked to some innocent person(s) who had nothing to do with it.

Just to make it plain again I believe the US was guilty of an act of wickedness by killing Osama. That wasn't justice. It was revenge and no civilised society confuses Revenge with justice

[HUSNAA]

Lol Mai Gemu kenan. So typical of you to hark and harp back at 9/11 and Osama bin Laden, the west’s Bogie Man!
Well first and foremost we are not westerners so we don’t really believe in your so called type of justice which defends the rights of the culprit at the expense  the victim. Secondly in case you have forgotten, Christianity also advocates the an eye for an eye justice system. It is too unfortunate that many of today’s Christians seem to think they know better than God how to mete out justice for atrocities commited.
As to the Osama bin laden plane load of victims and etc, I thought the west’s form of “justice” was to send in the whole of the US army into an innocent country  (Iraq)  kill hundreds of thousands of its citizens  and depose and hang the leader, then attack another country depose the leadership and kill thousands of innocent civilians in the process and all in the name of meting out justice for the 911 "atrocities". That is the sort of justice you are advocating isn’t it? Instead of an eye for an eye, its a  million eastern eyes for one western eye.
Come on Mai Gemu,  On which planet do you reside at the moment?  Planetum Geriatria? Maybe that is why you are...ahem wondering a bit? Out of touch perhaps???



FYI, I was forwarded a mail titled THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE. Interestingly enough, it was culled from the London Times newspaper.  The piece is almost a reflection of what Abu Fatima was talking about; of which everyone was in agreement except you. It just goes to show that there are  westerners who don’t agree with Mai Gemu’s  points of view on the justice system.  


AN OBITUARY PRINTED IN THE LONDON TIMES - INTERESTING AND SADLY
RATHER TRUE
Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, COMMON SENSE, who
has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was,
since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
 - Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- and Maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend
more than you can earn) and reliable strategies #adults, not children,
are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but
overbearing  regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old
boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens
suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.


Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the
job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly
children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental
consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could
not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have
an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses;
and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a
burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed
to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little
in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust,
by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his
son, Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
I Know My Rights
I Want It Now
Someone Else Is To Blame
 I'm A Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If
you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do
nothing.
 

[bakangizo]

Lol, na san ke ce kawai zaki mayar da martanin da ya dace 

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

HUSNAA

So you avoid addressing the reason for my argument.

So all those thousands of completely innocent people, many of them Moslems , who were on the two planes and in the two towers at 9/11 were people of no worth. It was ok to kill them all, was it? The religion of peace. My ar*e.

Why don't you face the facts and stop ignoring acts of wickedness.
I have already said that the US assasination of Osama Bin Laden was an evil act.
If you agree that was an evil act you cannot then say that the murdering of thousands of innocent people at 9/11, in Kenya and at all these other bombings is ok.

By the way "an eye for an eye" is of Judaism not Christianity. Christianity is "turn the other cheek"

[Ibro2g]

Abu-Fatima, lol its just a crazy world wo! Human rights are applied only when convenient....let me spell this out well

Mr Dave, I'm glad to see you are still well and doing. I do agree with you that Justice must not result to wickedness, or rather justice is not wickedness, for all acts of punishments are cruel one way or more others. Sept. 11 is not an Islamic act or one inspired by the faith. Its an act of wickedness and none of which is condoned in Islam.

The Muslim however is different from Islam. He is a practitioner of the faith in accord to its teachings and rules but a Muslim is not an absolute product. A Muslim is human, who errs and makes poor choices. He maybe guided by his faith but like all people of many faiths, chooses to obey those rules/guides. Chooses to sin or do right. Like all humans, Muslims also react to anger, grief, love, loss, pride, compassion, kindness, wickedness, justice and all more those states of mind.

So in Islam, all those killings are just as horrible as any one killing...but why do Muslims seem like a violent lot all of a sudden?

I will avoid the long history of the crusades and propagation of both the Islamic and Christian faiths as it's rather ambiguous and unrelated to the topic of human rights. But since the advent of the new world and the creation of Allied Nations or the UN and the birth of modern human rights. Hostility and aggression was not a character to describe Muslims. Modern day terrorism started in the Palestinian state after the WW2 in the '40s. With the many different terror groups that "liberated" Israel from the British. They killed many British soldiers in wicked bombings and ambushes, the same soldiers that came to help them "settle" with their ancient neighbours that have lived in "relative peace" for over 2000 years. The bombings of hotels and massacres of innocent and defenseless civilians and British soldiers, along side foreign Jewish "lobbyists" forced Britain out of the region and left the Palestinians to be overrun by the settlers. HUMAN RIGHT was watching...TERRORISM WON

Subsequently, global human rights also watched the big UN countries go into war with others just for having a different political philosophy with them, where countries lost their sovereignty and rights were abused and lives were destroyed. Sovereignty, rights and lives all initially acknowledged by the same UN. The terror morphed from that of individuals and groups to that of states and Nation states. These same states used politics, money, military aid and militancy to create more terror states of the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Terrorism won some more

All the while, though not all of it, but large number of Muslims worldwide and their countries were at the receiving end of this terror and thus created a lot of complex, disharmony and mistrust from the East against the West. The people from the West didn't bother as they didn't know what the people in the East were going through. And their governments give them the impression that they are making the rest of the world safe and better through enforcing democracy and human rights. In the East(or rest of the world) Human rights is only applicable were its convenient for the West or the powerful others. Such a perception can only build havoc for the future, something we are currently living to see.

Eventually, human rights(particularly rights of women) have been used as a political tool to justify wars including the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as Wiki leaks has disclosed. So what Husnaa is accusing the west of is "when an oppressed people for quite sometime react with aggression against the interests of the West, its against human rights despite the other many violations that the West did not raise an eye brow on" However when they react with aggression in the interest of the west like Libya now and Iraq of the Sadam revolutions in the 70's(or so) etc, they are freedom fighters that receive financial and military aid to free themselves :

Oh! when did Muslims become violent again? There are 1.5 Billion Muslims on God's good Earth. When the world is branding 1.5 billion people as terrorists. If the 17 killed 3500 on September 11th of 2001 were not acting on their own and Islam is truly a religion of Terror, and if at least 1% of Muslims are good Muslims, then 150 million terrorists are gonna try to complete what those negligible 17 started. Why no one tries to do the math and see that 99.99 percent of Muslims are not terrorists, that its not a coincidence why its so but that because the religion is actually what it said it is, a religion of peace. People get violent for many reasons, some are just bad people, some made poor choices, some made mistakes but violence always proves costly. Among the violence suffered globally, Muslims exclusively suffers that of silence and misrepresentation. Among all the violence suffered across the generation i quote a famous American saying in the '70s that"...the violence of silence is the worst of them all" (-either JFK or Martin Luther King Jr). A people suffer violence and like Jesus said, "those who live by the sword die by the sword" the violence is returned. It maybe unjustifiable in Islam but those people are also people. No one asked when those people were being killed or oppressed likewise, no one asked why 17 people performed the woeful deed of September 11th 2001. Rather, the wickedness of killing about 3500 people on that day was revenged with the wicked wars that killed hundreds of thousands. recently, a chopper carrying about 30 US elite marine forces was shot down. That is the largest single US casualty suffered since the war began. 3 days later, the military released a statement saying their deaths has been avenged...almost 200 people were killed in the process, are sure those who were responsible for the attack are dead. Talk about Wicked Punishment.

No one, community or religion that condones wickedness, but the Wicked has to be punished and its not by being nice at the expense of the victim. I don't condone any form of terrorism and my religion doesn't either. But one cant fight a people for having different philosophy and then one turns back home and commit the same offenses or those convenient to oneself. For instance, I don't care what your capital offenses are, but why should my capital offenses offend you? But its Human Rights
The HYPOCRISY!!!

Honestly, most Muslims didn't know how to react to 9/11 attacks. They were confused. The unspeakable has happened. The fact was a terrible act has occurred, but there were used to seeing it on their streets or that of their brethren in faith, but not at the Heart of the West! Some were sad as even though there were Muslim casualties, the crime of killing people is very grave. Some though, well now we are not the only ones, good for them so they'd know the mess we are in here. Some thought this is WW3, whose side are we on? With the recent Oslo bombings and shootings(non-terror acts), its clear that the world is undergoing a clash of civilizations which at one point or the other, will eventually engulf us all. to the West, it Started on 9/11/2001, to many others...much much earlier.

Indeed as human rights should tally with common sense, I find the mail Husnaa received very interesting and funny at the same time. Wonder what people make of it? I do!

And oh! Jesus did preach compassion and brotherhood and pleaded for patience and forgiveness "turn the other chick" in human transactions. But when it comes to Law and justice is imminent, Jesus did say "he has not come to change or abolish the laws of Moses in anyway". That is what the bible said. If Christians will not follow the laws of Judaism isn't that against what Christ says? 

"Secondly in case you have forgotten, Christianity also advocates the an eye for an eye justice system. It is too unfortunate that many of today’s Christians seem to think they know better than God how to mete out justice for atrocities commited."

-Husnaa
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[Ibro2g]

"Winning 'hearts and minds'

What the president failed to take into account was that with al-Qaeda, the struggle would never be just about terrorists or the willingness of states to confront them. Terrorists cannot long survive in societies which fundamentally reject them. If the US were actually to lead a global movement against terrorism, it would have to find a way to appeal to the many Muslims, including majorities in many countries, who then sympathised with al-Qaeda’s struggle, even as they rejected al-Qaeda’s tactics. It would have to find a way to respond to the young Pakistani Muslims in my own son’s grade school class, many of them from the most privileged families, whose reaction to 9/11 was to say “Now you know how it feels”. "

this guy got a piece of wat i'm tryn to say. you can read the whole paper here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119410930440683.html