Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."      [17:88]

 

If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful. [2:23]

 

This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe. If they say, "He fabricated it," say, "Then produce one sura like these, and invite whomever you wish, other than GOD, if you are truthful." [10:37-38]

 

If they say, "He fabricated (the Quran)," tell them, "Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful."     [11:13] 

 

Do they say, "He made it all up?" Instead, they are simply disbelievers. Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful.   [52:33-34]

 

"God has been gracious to the pregnant woman;

He has brought forth from her a living being that can move; from her very midst."

 

America Online has closed down a Web site that violated its terms of service by carrying material deemed offensive to Muslims, AOL spokeswoman Tricia Primrose

 

"We have removed that page. Our terms of service are very clear on what we call appropriate content, such as content which is defamatory in nature. This page had that. It was particularly targeting Islam," Primrose said.

 

She said AOL had received several complaints about the site, reviewed the content and decided to close it down on Tuesday.

 

In line with AOL policy on privacy, she declined to name the author or authors of the material or say where it came from. They can easily set up shop on another server on the World Wide Web, outside AOL's control.

 

All these appeared from July 21^st 1997 to June 25^th 1998 on both AOL servers and mirror host servers in at least Greece as indicated in the following mirror URL: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7143/. Another mirror was hosted at http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/suralikeit.htm

I posted that sura because it does not exist on the site I pointed out to you so I thought I should post it so you (and others) know about it, and be as updated as the people who have been talking about this since a time ago. But I have to disagree with you, such things should be answered and refuted, not every person is as educated and intelligent as you are, some are even better but those who are educated enough should conduct a debate even if they don’t like it, they must show the people why they don’t like it and why it is not up to the challenge. In our case we have a clear verse that tells us so:

 

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

I am not against you exactly for not debating about it, it is your business, but I am against you if you are able to refute it, or in this case analyze it and show why it is inferior to the Suras in the Koran, and why it does not satisfy the challenge. So if you are able to analyze this sura and show how you see it as inferior to the Suras in the Koran then I must say that I would be really disappointed if you did not join the debate about it. I am not taking sides, I did not say that it is better or even like the Suras in the Koran, I have not read a whole Sura myself (from the Koran I mean) and I am not in any way good enough in the Arabic language and poetry to analyze this sura. I just wanted the guys in Egypt and the soc.culture.arabic (those who are good enough) to join and say their piece because I really want to know the result of this debate, since the guy (who wrote the "suras") is really really so sure about himself and his poetry (sometimes he sounds like a snob actually :) as very good, as I said before I am not that good in Arabic to judge, so I wanted to see those who are, judging it.

 

 

I have been on sri (soc.religion.islam) for a long time, recently a guy called JGW have been posting 3 (yesterday an extra one which makes them 4) sura which he made up which he sees as "a sura like it" (which also happens to be his email address and web site name) and that they answer the challenge of the Koran. I am not saying that they are, I am hardly good in the arabic grammar to even judge it properly. The reason I posted this article was to draw the attention of the Egyptians, and specifically the ones who know the arabic grammar and style of the Koran good enough to judge these suras, to go to sri and participate in the debate that is taken place there now about these sura. I have been reading them but didn't like any of the responses they are not thorough enough or even hitting the right spots. I hope to see any of you guys making a good argument with that guy. The web site that contains all 3 sura is http://members.aol.com/suralikeit/

 

The exact syntax of the word used to challenge the human and jinn is either "mithlahu" or "min mithlihi." This, in and of itself should give you a clue. Take a look at the English translation:

Bring forth a Surah from *ITS* Like, or Like *IT*

The *IT* pronoun refers to the Qur'an itself, and not to a small portion of it. In order to come up with a surah from another book which is like the Qur'an you must start with a book that is like the Qur'an. To test that, you should replace one surah in the Qur'an with an equal surah that you dredged up.

 

First the challenge of the Quran have gone through stages and it was mainly directed to the Arabs on the first stage! which was to produce A QURAN LIKE IT , and notice it was a Quran like it not Just a surah! "Let them then produce a recital like unto it - if (it be) they speak the truth" [52:33].

Then the 2nd stage, the challenge was reduced to 10 Surahs like it "Or they may say,"he forged it." say, "bring ye then ten surahs forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah if ye speak the truth!" [11:13]

And on this stage the challenge was opened for the group work not only individuals, in this stage you will find it is not the language what the challenge is all about it is what in the text!

To elaborate more in this; on the first stage Arabs have reached a conclusion that the text they came up with were perfect in language but rather shallow blank in it's content and mostly laughable when read and of course untrusted!

 

"The Site: http://members.aol.com/suralikeit/ which is hosted by your company, contains and on purpose material that is so hurting for every Muslim all over the world. This site contains fake verses of an alleged Quran, which is deliberately an insult to Islam and Muslims'. As a Muslim, if this site continue to insult millions of Muslim , you will be made responsible for any further CONSEQUENCES and all legal actions will be taken against all parties who share in this irresponsible work and all options are opened to defend our faith. I will forward this message to the press and Muslim organaisations world wide unless you respect Islam as a way of life for nearly third of the world population and stop this insults. " 

 

An individual too cowardly to reveal his name, and too conscious of his own incompetence to ever want to, has written some babble which he claims to be "like" the holy koran. The following is my response to him ...or her... or it.

 

Obviously, I disagree with everything you have said so far, but  I am honestly and truly not insulted. And in return, I sincerely wish that you not be insulted by what I have to tell you.

 

Very well, so you have taken the challenge to immitate the Koran. The question remains: "was your suralikeit really like anything of the koran? was your suralikeit anything LIKE IT?", obviously not. You used seemingly similar rhetoric, but completely empty words and meanings. That's easy, any retarded imbecil can accomplish that. As the matter of fact reading your suralikeit makes one repelled, reading Allah's suras makes one attracted… You are not a messanger of God, your book is not the Koran. You will not influence even 100,000 people 50 years from now, never mind a billion, 1500 years from now… You are not Muhammad, messenger of God, yours is not the Koran. You are; however, a nobody (well, literally a nobody, as no one even knows so much as your name) and your suras are as ineffective as ..... well, as you are, that is the ultimate in ineffectiveness… So write on son, wear yourself out, don't you waste time. Post your suralikeits on the web, on top of your bed, in the public bathrooms (they would actually find good use there since one of your esteemed verses speak of wiping "asses")....

 

Allah has made him (the author of the new "suras") a destroyer of his self (sic) by decreeing misguidance and utter amazement at that which he could not stand to [buhtan]. Woe unto him, and woe unto him! [hayhat, hayhat], for how could he claim the status of a challenger, as he described himself, and he knew that many before him, with his type and malice, stood idle and were astounded. Ashraaf al-Arab, the leaders and most honored of Arabia before the dawn of Islam, with their perfection [kamal] of the secrets of words and their deep enmity to Islam, could not say anything about the perfection [balaghah] of the Qur'an, the correcteness and conciseness of its structure and descriptive approach.

 

There isn't a single attack recorded as far as this is concerned. They recognized that it was neither a rhetoric of orators, nor a poetry of poets. As abundant as the desert sands, and as extended as the dusty lands, the most eloquent [fusaha'] of Arabs and the most gifted

and able of the desert dwellers [al-`Arab al-`Arba'] were helpless. They could not stand to the challenge. This not-so-serious challenger would be but humbled with all these giants.

 

Now if this wonderer (sic) wanted but to follow misguidance, then we say: keep it to yourself [`alayhi nafsuh, lit. be a master of yourself, structure is literary and is not commonly used]. If he wanted guidance, then we tell him, follow us we'll show you a straight path and show you some matters which will prove that the Qur'an is God's word:

 

I assert that blasphemy should be permitted. Many people have debated this with me. Here are their challenges and my answers. If you wish to continue the debate, read this page first.

 

"Blasphemy must be forbidden because it is against God"

Where is God? Is he real? Can you show me your God? Can you show me any evidence of your God? No, you cannot, and so this argument is meaningless to those who are not believers in your God.

 

"Blasphemy must be forbidden, when it offends many people"

Many religions are offensive to each other. For example, Islam says that Christ was a man, but Christianity says he was a god. So if you censor material when people declare it offensive, then you must censor both the Bible and the Quran! Both of them are offensive to many members of the other faith! Is that what you want?

 

Here I have produced 5 `suras' from other religious scriptures as a challenge to Suratul-Ikhlas, one of the most impressive ones in the Qur'an. In fact prophet Muhammed valued the recitation of this sura as equivalent to one third of the whole Qur'an...The verses I have chosen here as a challenge to sura 112 also talk about the unity of God, His eternal nature and other attributes. Can Muslims compare these translations (at least) and tell me how they are inferior to Suratul-Ikhlas? I have also produced the respective transliterations, so that at least an attempt can be made to compare their eloquence. But mind you, the poetic elegance of any work cannot be appreciated unless we are very familiar with the concerned language!

 

Even then, eloquence is more a subject of personal liking than an indication for truth! Prophet Muhammed (or Allah), I believe, wouldn't have based his (or His) challenge on the Qur'an's poetical merit alone to prove his (or His) case! Moreover, as repeatedly emphasized by other writers in these pages, eloquence alone can never be taken as a criterion for Truth!

 

The reader (of the original Arabic especially) is irresistibly led to the conclusion that the whole of these additions, - with the possible exception of sura al-Nurain, - are forgeries. The style is imitated from the Koran, but not always very successfully. There are some grammatical errors, unless these are due to the transcriber. Occasionally the meaning which the context shews to be that in which a word is used is later than the time to which the Koran belongs. The verses are largely, however, centos of Koranic passages taken from their context. The amount of repetition shews the writer's determination to prove what he wished to prove at all costs. (pp. 229).

 

The only two Shi'ite surahs which have come to light are obvious forgeries; the other omissions that would have been dictated mostly by dogmatic considerations foreign to the 'Uthmanic period can not be substantiated, and the Shi'ites themselves have never been able to agree on the alleged distortion of the sacred text of their adversaries. (pp. 80 and pp. 282).

 

I was not the originator of any of these verses (I cannot even speak Arabic), but my reason for setting up the site was to:

Collect in one place all the verses out there which were on different sites

Invite some Arab Muslims I was corresponding with to take a look, and tell me exactly why those verses do not satisfy the challenge. Objectively. Giving reasons. Without any rubbish.

I intended it to be a private matter, and did not publicize the site on any of the search engines, and intended to remove it after a very short while, after it had served it's very limited research purpose.

At the time, I was totally unaware of the commotion going on on the internet and with Muslims regarding the appearance of these verses on other sites. I unwittingly got involved in the cross-fire during this time, with people thinking that I had set-up a mirror site in support of the other sites. Muslims (including Al-Azhar University!) charged me with being a Jew, inspired by Satan, vengeful, slanderer, one who deserves to burn in hell etc. etc. etc. Without any such wish on my part, this site got publicity far greater than any other site I had ever created, and you may have arrived here from a link on a site discussing this nasty incident.

While all this was blowing-up, I was out of the country for a month or so, and when I got back to open my email mailbox, I was shocked to see a deluge of threatening emails from people I had never known. They included (death) threats. One of them told me that money could buy anything, and that they would find out who I was, where I lived, and would come over to sort me out once and for all. Wow! For a month or so, I was watching over my shoulder all the time; luckily, I was living on a remote off-shore island.

Clearly, although not representative of every single Muslim, these replies to a small reply to a Quranic command shows me that this challenge is quite futile today, for the reasons stated above - these replies seem (to me) to confirm my view.

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The Suralikeit phenomenon, if anything, shows the increasing role of Internet in religious affairs. One observer was quick enough to capitalize on the furor and write a whole book on it. Virtually Islamic: Computer-mediated Communication and Cyber Islamic Environments, by Gary Brunt focuses attention on how the cyber-culture affects Islam and Muslim communities.

al-Iman

al-Iman ("Faith")

And make mention of the disciples in the Book, when the wind blew while they were sailing at night. (1)

And then it appeared to them seeing the phantom of Christ walking on the water. They said: Is He our Lord deriding us or have we gone insane? (2)

And there came the voice of the Master announcing to them: Do not fear, It is I, Don't you see. (3)

Hence, one of them shouted and asked: My Lord, order me, if you were He, to walk toward you on the water, So God may convert my doubt to certitude. (4)

He {The Lord) said to him, come toward me and be a miracle for man that they may remember. (5)

And as the disciple began to walk, he saw how strong the wind was so he became afraid and began to drown. Thus he yelled asking his lord to help. (6)

And He {The Lord} extended His hand to him and took him with it and said: Oh you who has little faith, such is the reward of those who doubt. (7)

And as soon as He went on the ship with him the wind calmed down and the disciples thanked Him with praise and shouted and said: (8)

You are truly the Son of God; in you we believed and in front of you we kneel. (9)

He said: Joy is for those who believed without mixing their faith with a doubt for those are truly the successful. (10)

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Al-Tajjassud

at-Tajassud ("The Incarnation")

Glorified He who has created heavens for which He did not set a boundary.

He created earth, made it a globe part water and part solid.

Say to those who have been deceived by the call of Satan: your minds were blinded so you accused God falsly and became supporters of Satan.

Satan has always been a fierce enemy of man.

If your Lord wished, He would have made children for him out of stones, as He who has said to the universe: Be, and so it was; far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that He should consult anybody in His decisions.

Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that He should take one from his creatures as a son.

Say to those who doubt about what has been revealed before: Christ is not a creature of God, as He was with God before the beginning and He is with Him forever.

In Him and from Him He was, together with His Holy Spirit, one God, eternal, one, and no more than one.

And as the Father sent Him to the people as He promised.

He descended as a Word into the womb of a virgin from which He came out as a body.

He associated with man, taught man, died as a sacrifice on behalf of man, and like a man He went to rest.

And to His heavenly Father, after three days he ascended.

Those who disbelieved His miracles and said terrible things about Him,

God will not let them escape from his anger.

But those who believed in Him and His Messiah,they shall have forgivness and paradise where they shall live forever.

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al-Muslimoon

al-Muslimoon

 

Alef Lam Saad Meem

Say: O Muslims, You are far astray.

Those who disbelieved in God and his Christ shall have in the lifeafter the fire of hell and a severe torture.

Some faces that day will be subdued and darkened seeking forgiveness from God and God shall do whatever He wants.

That day, the Most Merciful shall say: O my servants I favored you with my guidance revealed to you in the Torah and the Injeel.

And you should have not disbelieved what I have revealed to you and go astray from a plain road.

They said: We did not go astray ourselves but he, who claimed he was one of the messengers (of God) has mislead us.

And as God says: O Muhammad, you allured my servants and caused them to become disbelieves.

He said: O my Lord, it is Satan who allured me and truly he has always been the most corrupting to children of Adam.

And God will forgive those who have been allured by man and then repented and he will compel that one who was Satan's advocate to hell, a hapless journey's end.

And if God rules something, He is most knowing of what He rules and of what He had ruled and He is able to do all things.

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al-Wasaya ("The Commandments")

 

Alef Lam Meem Thal* (`th' as in `that')

We have sent you for the worlds a bearer with good tidings and a warner,

(Authorized) to rule with whatever comes on your mind in order to take care of things in the proper manner.

He who shall abide by what you rule shall do good for himself and he who shall not shall receive from your hands a bitter reward.

We have given Moses before you ten commandments and We are giving you (many) tens of others as We have made you the last of the prophets and ordained you as a prince over all of them.

You abrogate whatever you wish to abrogate of the orders We have given them for We have allowed you to modify any of our decisions.

Tell my servants who believe to seek refuge when they yawn in the Beneficent One to prevent Satan from laughing at them and to magnify Allah when they sneeze.

(And tell them) not to allow dogs in their homes and not to put pictures on their walls.

And if they want to wear shoes (tell them) to begin with the right one before the left and if they do not they surely commit a heinous sin.

And when they respond to the call of nature (tell them) to wipe their rear ends with three rocks and to avoid using dung for We have made it as food for the Jinn and as such We made it a prohibited matter for the believers.

Tell my servants who believe to raid whoever they want and even to kill in order to secure their provisions that those amongst them who never raided or never thought about raiding shall die as hypocrites and shall be denied (in the hereafter).

(And tell) those who fear magic to eat seven dates and Allah shall save them from magic and keep away from them the evil omen.

Tell my servants if they want to swear they should swear by Allah as many times as they want.

And (tell them) to marry of the women who they see good for themselves, two or three or four, or the captives that their right hands possess, for We have made religion easy for them.

And when you are short of commandments, call Jibril and he shall come in a hurry as he was ordered.

And if Jibril is busy go to Waraqa Bin Nawfal and seek help from him before We take his soul and then the revelation might become a difficult matter for you.

 

References from Sahih Bukhari:

Verse 7 : Look at Hadith 8:242 and 4:509

Verse 8 : Hadith 4.448

Verse 9 : Hadith 1.169

Verse 10: Hadith 5.200

Verse 12: Hadith 7.663

Verse 13: Hadith 3.844

Verse 16: Hadith 1.3

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al-Nuraini

al-Nuraini

"O you who believe, believe in the two lights.

He has revealed them unto you, warning you against the torture of the Great Day – two lights emanating from one another, for I am the All-Hearing and the All-Knowing.

Truly those who fulfil Allah's pledge and his Apostle's verses shall be rewarded with Paradise.

Those who disbelieve by breaking their covenant and what they have pledged to do before the Apostle shall be thrown into hell, for they did injustice to themselves and disobeyed the supporter of the Apostle.

Therefore, they shall be caused to drink from the Hamim River in hell.

Truly Allah is the light of heaven and the earth as he wills, and he has chosen his angels and apostles and made believers of those whom he created.

All do whatever he wills. There is no god but him – the Merciful and the Compassionate.

Those who came before them cheated their apostles, and so I have stricken them with my cunningness vehemently and painfully.

Apostle! Preach my admonition, for they shall know.

Those who fulfil their pledge to you are likened to me to be rewarded by Paradise.

Truly Ali is one of the pious. We have sent Moses and Aaron, being appointed his successor, yet they disobeyed Aaron.

Be of good patience! They will become old. We have given you judgement, just as we did to other apostles before you. We have appointed a guardian to you from them, that they might return.

Truly Ali is devout, lying prostrate at night, warning as regards the Last Day, and hoping for the mercy of his Lord.

Say: "Should those who act unjustly be treated equally, while they know my torture?"

***

Mohammad Azat Darwaza, Al-Qur'an al-Majid, page 60 and Mohammed Ahmed Maal Allah, Al Shi'a wa Ta'rîf Al Qurân).

Documented also in

Theodor Nöldeke: Geschichte des Qorans

Zweite Auflage, völlig umgearbeitet von Friedrich Schwally

Zweiter Teil: Die Sammlung des Qorans, Leipzig

(Dieterich'sche Verlagsbuchhandlung) 1919, Seiten 102-103

 

al-Wilayat

al-Wilayat Saint (Patron)

You who are believers, believe in the prophet and the saint (patron, God-man) who is Ali bin Abi Talib, Mohammed's cousin whom we sent, they will guide you to the strait path.

A prophet and a saint belong to each other, and I am the all knowing, the experienced.

Those who do (obey) God's covenant they deserve comforting paradises.

And those who contradict our verses if read to them,

They have a big place in Hell, when they are called in the day of judgement: where is the unfair, the contradictory for the messengers?

The messengers don't leave them without the truth, and God will not allow them to win (appear, show) till a short time.

Praise your lord and thank him, and Ali bin Abi Talib, Mohammed's cousin, one from the witnesses.

Source: "Al-Thawrah al-Yaraniyah Fiy Mizan al-Islam" (The Iranian revolution in the balance of Islam), published in Egypt.

URL: http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Miracle/wilay

This is a Christian website created to counter any claims of Islam, as the sites’ owners indicated themselves. They attributed these two "suras" to the Shia Qur’an. A thorough discussion of these two "suras", titled, Surah an-Nurayn & Surah al-Waliyah: Their Authenticity & Literary Style by M S M Saifullah is given at http://salam.muslimsonline.com/~islamawe/Quran. I have not been able to locate any similar analysis of the "suras" of the original Suralikeit contents. Maybe someone can help dregde the Net to see if such exists?