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Title: War On Iraq
Post by: Sas on March 15, 2003, 08:41:13 PM
Assalamu Alaikum

I want you guys to know that its only Bush and his republican people that wants this war. The civilians and other people in the U.S are highly not in favour of the war. Anyway we have to look at it from the perspective that Saddam is not a good person from his start and Bush wants money from Oil. Lets just put our heads together and pray for the benefit of the entire Muslim world. Lets hope that there is no BLOOD for OIL. What do you guys think?

Salamu Alaikum.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 15, 2003, 10:13:56 PM

Assalamu Alaikum,
    Hakika all that you`ve said is true. We have to be fair, its part of being muslims.
Saddam, was a weapon of the united states, Osama was no different. Saddam, enjoys power and would do anything for it, he was a rebel himself and enjoyed it, he told holywood to make a movie about it. He wasnt so Islamic until when he realised how he could hide underneath it...adding ALLAHU AKHBAR to their flag and icons. The gulf war was due to him trying to re-occupy kuwait so he won't have to pay the loan he got from them for the iranian war. And he killed alot of civilians who where in his opposition:kurds. And he still may posses these weapons of mass distruction. Who knows if he`ll use em or not. He may be a threat to the US, but isn't the US a threat to him? If she could hold such weapons, why not him, or us, or any other country?
   Bush in his case, a jew, diplomat, who knows: a freemason, all these translate to anti-islam. His administration came into power with top priorities that includes the restraightening of the American policies. I watched a session in the house of commons debating about the war, and someone brought up an issue. In 1998, there was a letter that arrived at England as a CC, it was from the US, and he qoated the exact words from the letter that said, America will no longer tollerate a small and insignificant country in the gulf like Iraq to go against American policies. And that by their next administration (for some reasons), that will be executed. Tony Blair only answered "I can not answer the conspiracies of every nation...including my own" and smiled.Coz he himself was under strong questioning.
    Secondly, The US is SERIOSLY interested in the Iraqi OIL, the second world largest producers after Saudi Arabia. Oil, the economical next best thing has been a problem for the Americans. The Americans plan a re-occupation in a funny way. They want to recolonize the region, and administer it, meanwhile packing away the oil through the back door (heaven knows what is happening in Afghanistan), redraw the borders, award contracts, yes boom up the american economy. What a masterplan huh?, and too bad its gonna work.
     Becoming world police, thats an issue. Bush mentioned it "I want to be the worlds policeman" This man wants to rule everyone, everywhere. After Iraq, there's gotta be somewhere else. President Chirak of France says "No man or nation must be left to administer or become the worlds policeman." He might have some oppositions, but not for long, not that long.
    Finnaly, I wish there was a way to educate the American citizens, they do not know what happens in this world, they accept all the sh*t their government puts in for them, they see no where else but America, their media, everything is American. I'd say they bearly have eyes. American are this kinda people"my america, my world" They have no Idea what the outside world is like exept that which the government wants them to, being fooled by the government everytime. If by any chance, anyone gets them out of that darkness to see th light...they are good people, they won't let this happen, or its similarities...I hope.
     Sanusi[quote}Lets hope that there is no BLOOD for OIL.9[/quote], I hope so too.
And I pray...
In the name of God, our lord, the benefficient the merciful
Thanks be to God, lord of all worlds, the benefficient the merciful
Owner of {all days and}the last day: the day of judgement
You alone we worship, and you alone we ask for help
Guide us to the right path, the path of those whom you bestow your grace on
not the path of those who earn your anger
May God help us...
Ameen

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Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 15, 2003, 10:43:39 PM
..sigh..here we go again..

Sanusi i agree completely with you. ibro2g, if jews are by default enemies of islam, then what should we say of the jewish muslims? Or have you never heard of them? Isn't it possibe for a jew to be a muslim?
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Venom on March 15, 2003, 11:21:57 PM
Quote
then what should we say of the jewish muslims?

I do not think there r jewish muslims cause 1s they r converted they would no longer be referred 2 as jews but would now be Muslims
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Muhammad on March 16, 2003, 12:46:10 AM
Salam
I am in Favor of a war. A war that will surgically disloge the murderous chain smoker called Saddam- who I still do not consider a Muslim. For those who oppose this war I say,

* do you realize Iraq has the potential of being much more developed of it were not of Saddam? probably like S-Arabia considering the fact that Iraq is the second largest oil producer.
* 1 million innocent soldiers would be alive today if it werent for Saddam's murderous war on Iraq?
* 500,000 kids would not have died of malnutrion due to Saddam's callous attack on Kuwait?
* American troops would not have been based in Saudi if it werent for saddams pigheadedness?
Believe me there more that 24 million reasons why saddam needs to be deposed. It sound like an exaggeration but every Iraqi is affected by the psyco-saddamitis virus whose antedote is...... the UN ( and perhaps the Bushy tree grown in Texas).

Don't get me wrong, I do not support a war that will kill even a single innocent Iraqi for they do not deserve it.
My hope is, since Bush has already made up his mind, that this 'Lightening War' on Iraq will be avoided but the crucial war of uprooting Saddam will not be forgone.
Peace is always better than War.
Bissalam

PS: Bush is not Jewish, not that it changes anything i suppose.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 16, 2003, 07:53:36 AM
Venom,

Eh? To my understanding, the word 'jew' specifies ethnicity, whereas 'muslim' refers to religious affiliation. So how can the term, 'jewis muslim' not be valid? Too many people on this forum have made a hash of both words in their comments on the big picture thread.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 16, 2003, 12:26:09 PM
lion..dont drag this,...aight?.. u know very well wut he's trying to say...
even jews themselves are confused about the term "judaism" and "jew"... so dont drag this...

There are good jews, bad jews, good muslims, bad muslims, good xtians, bad xtians, etc etc.. we have bad people, good people...

BACK TO THA TOPIC....lets pray for HUMANITY! get with the program...
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 16, 2003, 04:24:27 PM
FDQ I maintain my stance that there are jewish muslims, that the term is perfectly valid, and that people here should stop muddling ethnicity with religion! This is part of the problem in palestine. You know, not all 'jews' in Israel strictly belong to a judaist sect. A good number ?of them only adher to the ten commandments. Does one lose his ethnicity when he becomes a muslim? Obviously not; even Nigeria is a testament to that.

So yes FDQ i know very well what they are trying to say ?- that jews are enemies of Islam! Infact Ibro2g said it openly. ?Statements like that are fuelling the fire in palestine. As such I disagree with that statement and I'm sure you do too. I'm surprised you obviously had nothing to say to her but tackled me instead.

Amin,
Interesting point of view. I'm surprised no-one has responded to it yet. I daresay had i been the one I'd have died a million deaths on this thread. Anyways, I definitely agree with you in the sense that Saddam is not a good man for the Iraqi people and should be removed, but Bush's timing of this is incredibly suspect. Why now? Why the ridiculous initial attempt to link Iraq qith Al quaeda? Saying he has broken several UN disarmament resolutions is a valid point but not good enough; the U.S. has refused to pay its dues to the U.N. for a long time; and technically should have forfeited its U.N. membership long ago. I believe that the time too remove Saddam was during the Gulf war; that was over a decade ago. Now he's hiding behind Islam, and thanks to the Arab world, he's getting away with it. He's like IBB in the sense that he's a good dribbler, lol. There is a time for everything; the U.S. govt has erred big-time on this one.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Muhammad on March 16, 2003, 05:15:40 PM
Lionger, I agree with your reasoning in saying that if it were you who wrote the post idid, you would have been skinned.
I however would like to clarify the isuue of jewishness and non jewishness. A Jew, basically, is a descendant of Moses. Most of the Jews of today are desc of moses although there is some suspiction as to whether, Askenazi- East European Jews- are real jews. The sephardim( also called Chasidic) Jews, from North Africa, W Europe and MEast, are the full blooded jews because of their semitic tongues and olive skin.......  Eg, the difference btw Ariel Sharon ( from Russia) and Binyamin Ben Eliezer (from Iraq) can be seen in the coloration of the skin, hair, and eyes.
any way, a jew can be both religiously jewish, Isreali, or culturally Jewish non Isreali). Only those who have emigrated to Israel- Aaliya ( Hijra in hebrew)- are regarded as true Israelis.
In the former context, it is impossible to have a Muslim Jew, but in the latter category it is. To Ibro, FDQ, remeber Abdullah bin Ha...... ( cant remember his full sir name) who is the jewish chief in Madina. He accepted Islam the moment the prophet emigrated and his more extremist Jews hated him for that.

So, in a nut shell, both arguments are right.
Bissalam  
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 16, 2003, 05:22:09 PM
many people dont know the difference b/w jews and judaism... instead of asking them questions and dragging this, simply tell them...

yes there are muslim jews... not muslim judaists or worreva... its juss that them people have the tendency to be aaalll "jews".. pues...

and its clear a great number of people dont like saddam... so no one has to holla that...

ibro and venom are like 12 yrs old!!!!..hehe j/k, i'm sure they meant the gov't or big organisations... but not every single person...
its like refering to the US gov't as "americans"..

Jews being enemies of Islam... is um.. kinda.. i think traditional to arabs.. cuz i know the Prophet Muhammed (saw) was married to a jewess...
plus the Prophet lived in harmony with jews and other people.

yes they have the tendency to be two-timing.. but i guess thats juss human nature... :-/

fueling fire in palestine?.... well that's wut the media emphasizes.. but i'm also aware of the fact they have jews protesting against their gov't on treatment of palestinians... there are muslims living with the jews... they have xtian palestinians... majority of palestinians disagree with the conflict and are educating themselves to eradicate the problem.... etc etc...
so the killing has to stop... whether its a legal war or an illegal one.... murder is murder... izzzzz murdaaaaaaa...~ja rule  ;)

and amin.... the sanctions caused Iraq to decline.. the place used to grand!
and with this war... many more will DIE!...

ok ok....
no one likes saddam....
no one likes bush
no one wants war....
lets all pray...!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Bilyaminu on March 17, 2003, 12:44:15 AM
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Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 17, 2003, 01:53:37 AM

     My friends, lionger and amin. Jews or hebrews, and Judaism are two different terms. Jews or hebrews are the ethnic group you must have mentioned earlier, but judaism is the traditional religion (originated from moses) that is being practised by some jews, and some jews alone. No one can practise Judaism without being a jew. My mistake must have
been when I classified jews in general, and mind you, no jew is a muslim, all jewish muslims are no longer considered jews. Believe me. Islamically, jews yahuudu are not good associates, they are not our friends and they will never be, their paradise lies in earth not the hereafter, and all that is in the earth except life is manipulated for them. This is their time, dont be convinced or confused by what they say or their media says.
Quoteamin
     remeber Abdullah bin Ha...... ( cant remember his full sir name) who is the jewish chief in Madina. He accepted Islam the moment the prophet emigrated and his more extremist Jews hated him for that.
And he became a muslim, not a jew anymore. This says it all: There is no jewish muslim.
     The jewish people have always had problems since the dawn of time, with every prophet and messanger of Allah. And they throw up stupid questions and curse and stone them. And remember: Its the jews who knew about the prophet Muhammad more than any one else, and its their jealosy of him not being a jew that led them astray. The jews without any questions are anti-Islam, and there is no limitation to what they'll do to destroy it (they think!).
     Haven't you heard of the jewish migration to europe, and the establishment of the BBC. The Industrialisation of Europe by the jews and the re-occupation of palestine and the establishment of the Isreali state. Mind you, the isreali state is not the threat, its the jewish nation...it is what survived after they where chased off and it is part of it that created a state.
     I know the war on Iraq will hold, whether in support or not, whats more important is...we have to watch out for Islam.

      Fyne dyme...Pray for us...
     Lastly my friends, shouldn't I remind you with the words of our

lord:
THEY WILL NEVER BE YOUR(*our) FRIENDS[/i][/color]
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 17, 2003, 01:57:25 PM
FDQ, what did you mean when you said that jews being enemies of islam was 'traditional' to arabs? Sorry, I didnt really catch that.

Ibro2g,

Well I guess we could continue arguing on the jews being enemies of islam and the impossibility of a jewish muslim, ?for years to come, but i'll leave it to other muslims on this forum.

Based on your last remarks about islam and iraq, I have to ask: what does the possibility of war on iraq REALLY have to do with Islam?
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 18, 2003, 11:42:43 AM
My friend, a muslims blood mus t not be spilled except under three conditions, a married man who comitts adultery, a man who comits murder, and lastly, who converts to a kafiruun.
My friend, let me tell you something my friend told me:
when there are two evils, choose a lesser one
And I believe that is what we have done, besides from my post up there, u can tell this war isnt about Human rights, weapons of mass distruction or terrorism, its about protecting the American interest and straigtening their principles.
Jews, I like u, leave it to th forum.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 18, 2003, 01:33:49 PM
QuoteFDQ, what did you mean when you said that jews being enemies of islam was 'traditional' to arabs? Sorry, I didnt really catch that.

Based on your last remarks about islam and iraq, I have to ask: what does the possibility of war on iraq REALLY have to do with Islam?

mhm.. oh lion, dont mind meeh.. i juss think tht the palestinian/israel conflict made some arabs hate jews with passion..
cuz i remember one of my teachers who's arab... we were cracking jokes and one of my friend said "i'm jewish"
then the teacher freaked and sent the girl out of the class... lol that was in class 3!!!!... imagine! i guess the woman was palestinian...
and usually u'll hear jordanians being harsh about jews.. well, majority of the people in jordan are palestinians.. so i guess it all connects...

and about Iraq US was.. with Islam.... man oh man.. juss leave it to beaver!...
Saddam is not exactly a religious person  ::) he started being all religious-like when he figured out he needed the arabs to back him up...
i guess its mainly the oil... but still, Islam has been attacked thru many ways.. and we always have to be alert.

lol.. and i see we're still confused about the jew jew issue... newayzzzz... it'll be hard to lay it out.. but i guess a muslim is a muslim...

kai.. ibro... kashe mutum dan ya chanza addini, anya daidai ne? i doubt it faaaaa.... amma a bari sai wani magana..
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 18, 2003, 01:58:49 PM
FDQ

Thanks for the explanation. Your story reinforces my conclusion on the ?Middle East: those ppl hate each other. At least in Nigeria, ppl of all ethnicities can get along as long as you don't discuss politics (or religion) in Nigeria and the usual finger-pointing. I also agree with your point on Saddam Hussein's 'muslim' nature.

Ibro2g, what do you mean by your reference to choosing the lesser of the evils? Is saddam the lesser evil in this conflict?
If it is, let me just say that it was the exact policy the U.S. used in the past (and still use today, foolishly) that created ppl like Mobutu Sese Seko, Saddam and Osama bin Laden. In the case of Mobutu and bin Laden, the greater of the evils was socialism/communism and the Soviet union respectively, while in Saddam's case the greater evil was the revolutionized Iran under Khomeini in the 80's. Today Saddam and bin Laden are public enemy numero uno in the eyes of the U.S. I guess in some cases (like WWII) they had no choice, but what was the deal with Afghanistan, Zaire and especially Iran?

Anyways Bush has given Saddam and his sons 48 hours to leave Iraq, and though i do not agree with his stance, I'm compelled to say that Saddam should pack his load and go for the sake of the Iraqi ppl.

And btw what exactly does the word 'kafiruun' mean, Ibro2g?
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 19, 2003, 01:27:21 AM
the sad thing about this is.... the UN is useless.. so maybe it will be dissolved :'(

i sooooo luv the UN! i juss love it and it'll break my heart to see it erased!!!!

and  :o wut those americans said about our African nations... can u believe it?? ??

they said that how can the US ask African nations for permission to attack... that even if they defy them, wut is the worse Africans can do... "debate the issue"

oohhhhhh i'm soooooooo offended...... (lol)... ah well, i guess that's life for ya'...
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 19, 2003, 02:43:37 AM

Queen,
 Any muslim who denies his faith is subjected to death. A muslim ant be an unbeliever without total 2-0, ba duniya ba lafira. Besides, he will do a much greater damage if left alive. I dont know much but these are the rules.

African lion,
  FDQueen was right when she said the jews are traditionally the arabian enemies. No, no arguements. Lis'n...
...Abraham had two sons...true
...their names Isaac and Ishmael...true
...jews are decendants of Isaac..true
...arabs are decendants of Ishmael...true
...Jews thought ill of arabs, and called them animals in human form, they regarded them as dirt...true
...Jews fury wid the arans grew when they found the holy prophet among the arabs...true.
It has been there in history, in the bible, Qur'an, and every other historical book, and it is still happening...I guess it will continue to happen. Queen is right my friend.

Brothers, I ask someone to tell mi the role of the UN. what if a country goes against its will, what are the risks of international isolation??? why cant it happen to the US?, why do we think the UN is helpless? toh...ban baku labarin international conspiracies ba? who said the UN is clean.
Allah ya taimake mu.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: ummita on March 19, 2003, 12:33:08 PM
Guys hold up!!!!!!!!!!!

This war issue...........wat du u say about Judaism & Zionism.
Let me put it this way 2 make it clear, we all know wat it means but 4 a clearer purfect picture

Zionism is a political and economic world movement; whereas Judaism is a fundamental religious movement.
In this case wat major role those America play: Dont uget it ppl!!!!!! As I recap yrssss bck durin my history lessons....

Zionism wants it a secure state in side of the 1967 borders; with political and economic extension through out the Arabic region.

Judaism insists on geographical extension to achieve the great Israel according to the alleged instructions of torah ko ba haka ba...? How many of u read d torah?.


Agree 2 disagree  they go hand in hand big time...with regards to the whole Iraqi war....My reason 4 sayin so is that afta puttin two and two gether I came up with this &
Now the question stands out like this: WAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN POSITION TOWARDS THESE TWO PROJECTASY'S (ZIONISM & JUDAISM) with all the effect sparkin off war and believe me people ansa r as follows;

The governmental position is allays with the Zionism strategy except some personal exceptions in side the congress and the Whitehouse administration.

The fundamental Christians and the so called the new Jewish ?protestant movement, who strongly support the Judaism strategy.

Most American people is subjecting to the effect of the mass media.

Why America selected Israel to be come her strategy option in heart of the Arabic region?

Can anyone of u tell me why America has dropped the Arabic option in favor of the Israeli option? In d main tym I taut it was due 2 d fact that:

Israel does not form any threat against the American interests in present or in the future ko ba haka ba...think about economically & wat d future entails 4 Saudi Arabia in d nearest future!!.

Another reason why Americans favour Israel is simply because they have no factors of the auto ? self-growth. Fair enuff

And again its because Arabic ? Israeli clash has a deep roots;Its ryt from tym...its even in d Qur'an...Isralites & Palestininas will neva go hand it had so this makes Israel in pressing need to American helps.

and finally, if u look @ it d way I did u will c that officially America considers Israel according to the Zionism theory the security and strategy option.
Now isnt this juss amongst d few reason why they r up with this war bull crap!!!!! & bringinig Bin Laden in2 consideration,.........hmmmm that is anoda issue......so this is amonsgt wat provoked them off 2 start mass murder again its b'cuz  Palestines/Arabian country'z/ Saddam/ Bin Laden r unda one roof which is Islamicity. Periodddddd
Allah dai ya kyauta
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: ummita on March 19, 2003, 12:41:42 PM
Quote
Brothers, I ask someone to tell mi the role of the UN.

Ibro let me juss ansa one question e're...though its not even an ansa..........but I think d best role d UN can play is 2 Call for a world summit of the religious, cultural and political leaders within frame of the UN for reflecting and adopting the common Charter or som'in of such nature I think it will be of beneficiary 2 all esp counrtys that start off war against religion A good perfect example is Jews/Palestines ::).

and again how about d UN forming a lasting for ever to lasttttt  council of the religious and cultural leaders within the UN. Then their authorities would be determined by the consultation with the political leaders. By doing so I definately without doubt know that it will be of beneficiary. But heck!!! wat r d UN doin with regards 2 these best brodas Bushy & saddamy? Sum1 help me clarify?  
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 19, 2003, 04:21:08 PM
ibro.. i disagree with u... ::)

aahhhhhh....people..., SUCH IS LIFE! survival of the fittest... and the big guys have the big guns...
face it.. US are powerful.. they can do wuteva they want.. they dont fear any nation.. they feel they're on top and can do as they wish....
its their arrogance that will bring the gov't down...

all we have to do is wait and obserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrve!

wut goes up... must come down... wut goes around.. comes around!...

but for now.. them US are using thier power!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Egede1 on March 19, 2003, 05:57:35 PM
Amin

I hardly agree with you on certain issues on this board.  But your almost watertight explanation about Jews and Muslims was so eloquently presented that only few people could have done it better. In fact, the facts are packaged without any biased sentiments. However, I must point out that Ariel Sharon is a Sephardim(Sharpardi) Jew born in Palestine. His parents are not from Russia.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Muhammad on March 19, 2003, 07:10:15 PM
Hello all.
I think you will agree with me that enough has been said about jews in this forum. They are the least of our problems.
Egede, what you said is true except the Ariel Sharan point. Yes Sharon was born in the Jerusalem neigbourhood of Ariel inhabited by Jews who immigrated from Russia after WW 1. But that does not make him a Sephardi, just like a Nigerian born in New york will not be a New Yorker.
Anyway, Jews are in Kano actually and because they conceal their Jewishness, we do not recognize them. They speak Arabic because they either come from Tunisia-Morocco area or from the Iraqi countryside. They are good business men in the Kantin Kwari market...... check out yourself.
They are humans like we are and i think, in the absence of them doing nothing wrong ( also apart from their arrogance), they don't deserve unfair treatment.
Alas, they are semitic like the Arab we so 'dearly shield'.
CIAO.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 20, 2003, 12:20:39 AM

Amin,
   I'd rather agree wid Adolf Hitler on the jews than the "touching"....u just put down about em. What Hitler did was right, and it cant get more righter. Haba, ya rage over 5 million of em ama still, look what the few are causing. Kai mallam hitler yayi kokari.  ;D :D ...and u should know better than they r the least of our (islam) problems.
Queen,
   Then there is no use of the UN...aniwayz No comment
Ummitah,
     ZEONISM, thats the word. There is too much of a relation between the US and Isreal to explain, no matter how hard we try. They r so close that the isreali nations intelligence, MOSADs trains the famous CIA. The mosads are so good that they r still not known to the general public. SHHHH...its a secret.
Ya know what peeps, I think all that is left of this world is the war...I told u it`ll hold, it begins in a couple of hours or two...and dont think u r black and safe...no. It affects everyone...this is gonna be the next, perhaps last waorld war.
May God have mercy on us all.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 20, 2003, 01:13:48 AM
Ibro2g

unless i'm reading it wrong, your posts are veering dangerously in the same direction as al hamza's on his 'big picture' thread - towards intolerance and hatred and WAY oversimplified generalizations. hitler was right, ke?

The UN's relevance, in cases like this depends largely on the Security Council. The Security council never does well on polarized issues. However, Ibro2g i wonder if you've ever heard of the 'oil for food' program. I also wonder what you would have said 4 years ago when the kosovar albanian muslims were very clearly being persecuted by Milosevic, yet the Security Council couldn't act because Russia had threatened to veto any resolution on it; the US and NATO had to act 'unilaterally' without U.N. permission to stop the tyrant. Na wa for some of us o.

Amin I ?like the way you think. i also agree with your point about some ppl here being so apt to 'shield' the arabs, almost without thinking. This thread and al hamza's thread has really opened my eyes to the way some ppl think on this forum.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: ummita on March 20, 2003, 02:24:40 AM
Am so supa glad that ur eyes r open about d way ppl think & thats simply wat a forum is made of......every1 has a ryt 2 opinion if we all supportin Iraq then b it........If we r support of US then b it!!! And if in total we r being neutral so let it b..... If  I disagree 2 ur points then b it......if u diagree 2 myn then b it.........In d main tym let kep aside this war issue..only d lurd almyty knows best......
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: ummita on March 20, 2003, 02:29:29 AM
I will speak vehemently on behalf of everybody with regads 2 wat Lionger said about loads of us havin thinkin caps negetively.............& I can go on wo!{/color]
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Twinkle on March 20, 2003, 06:24:52 PM
ALL I CARE IS PEACE & NOT WAR. Whatever Saddam, Bush, Osam, Jews or d Palestines have done........its done.....the damage is done.......in the main time lets all pray for peace
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Gimbiya on March 20, 2003, 08:22:02 PM
 "Pray on bro and sis" just pray.
it's really ugly
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Muhammad on March 20, 2003, 09:59:29 PM
Salam
Ibro2g, I am indeed very sorry. Sorry for taking the debate about Jews to an unbearable level. Please, I will plead with you to not glorify Hitler. Hitler is a Murderer, Pillager, arsonist, terrorist..... Remember, If Hitler had gotten what he hoped to get, then 'People of color' will be regarded as subhumans like he did to the Gypsies and Slavic peoples of E Europe.
Allah shi baka hakuri ranka yadade amma ina gani wannan kalamin naka bashi da justification a addini ko kadan. wato Jahudu shegen mutum ne amma wannan bai hana mu cinikayya ko zamantakewa dasu ba. bayan yakin Bani Nadir, annabi ya auri ba yahudiya-Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab. And he found nothing wrong in that because she could potentially be a Muslim.
The same applies for all other Jews, we must call them to the way of Allah by wisdom and beautiful preaching, as said in the noble Quran.
I hope this suffices.

Mr Lionger

Are you attempting to cast me as a southern thinking bahaushe? (Northerner) You know this kind of things will alienate me, like your humble self, in this forum. And you will agree with me no one wants that. The 'Arabs we shield' is a sarcastic remark, which I am fully confident you appreciate. Anyway, we need to energize the forum by poking at issues in the realm of the untouched; dont you think?
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: lionger on March 20, 2003, 11:26:27 PM
Amin,

lol no i did not intend to alienate you, or to cast you as a southerner. And I'm not sure i'm 'alienated' on this forum, as you say. I believe that one does not have to be a southerner or northerner, american or arab, or even palestinian or israeli to look at certain issues objectively. Like i said b4, this thread has revealed to me how some ppl think on this forum, and i've come to the conclusion that otherwise sensible ppl seem to lose their heads on issues such as the palestinian crisis and others pitting the arab world against the west.

I also agree with your last point on re-energizing the forum.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Venom on March 21, 2003, 01:30:30 AM
'O Allah, we place You before them and we take refuge in You from their evil'.

Amin  
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: ummita on March 21, 2003, 09:55:55 AM
 Yah wateva ::).........venom, Twinkle lemme join u up. I raise ma hand un2 d lurd.........all we need is peace...................................
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2003, 11:05:55 AM
well,
u people are highly devided and see things as america versus iraq.... its not its evil versus good
saddam is bad we agree!
but no one has the right to march into our lands.
we  have countries in africa suffering more than the iraqi people
why wont bush walk into rawanda or burundi?
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Fulanizzle on March 21, 2003, 01:35:04 PM
Quotewell,
but no one has the right to march into our lands.



NOPE NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO....
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Fulanizzle on March 21, 2003, 01:36:37 PM
Quotewell,
why wont bush walk into rawanda or burundi?



B-COZ THEY GOT NO MAJOR ECONOMICAL INTEREST THAT  WILL BENEFIT THEM AS THEY WOULD OBTAIN IN IRAQ.....SIMPLE AND SHORT!

I TALK NO MORE....I LUV MY FATHER!!!!!!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 21, 2003, 05:04:36 PM
aaaaaaallllll i'm singing is... give peace aaaa chaaaaaaannnceeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

sing wit meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2003, 05:28:17 PM
Does anybody recall when then president & CEO of Enron, Ken Lay hosted a big Thank you Bush, Sr. party in 1989 for the city of Houston.. go figure...
HOW MUCH TO DISCOVER?

"It's The Oil, Stupid!" by Joseph Clifford
(Very Interesting article)

* The Russians got into their Vietnam (Afghanistan) right after US got out of theirs? Isn't that strange?

* US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years, and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians? Isn't that strange?

* As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban's official in Afghanistan? Isn't that strange?

* There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. Isn't that strange?

* UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1,000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. Isn't that strange?

* UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Isn't that strange?

* All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL in 1998. Isn't that strange?

* 1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. Isn't that strange?

* John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly government was established. Isn't that strange?

* 1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people in the world. Isn't that strange?

* Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000). Isn't that strange?

* 9/11 WTC disaster.

* Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?

* Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". Isn't that strange?

* Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some proof. We refused; we bombed. Isn't that strange?

*Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists." Isn't that strange?

* We have a new government in Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?

* The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai). Isn't that strange?

* Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi). Isn't that strange?

* The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil !! Isn't that strange?

* Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before going to Washington. Isn't that strange?

* George Bush Sr. (Father) now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge oil investments around the world.
Isn't that strange?

* Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange?

* Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza. Isn't that strange?

* Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP of USA. Isn't that strange?

* Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000,000 as a farewell gift when he left Haliburton. Isn't that strange?

* Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business. Isn't that
strange?

* There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area. Isn't that strange?

* The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. Isn't that strange?

* President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02) Isn't that strange?

"It's the Oil, Stupid!" (And all the while we were told it was about terrorism and freedom)
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2003, 04:40:53 PM
What ever the case might be, but all we need now is Du'a
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Rose on March 24, 2003, 01:22:11 AM
All I can say is may ALLAH (SWA) bring peace to the muslim world.
All this hatred yah ALLAH Do something:'(
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: abdulgee on March 29, 2003, 06:16:00 PM
Assalamu Alaikum
The question to ask is, why Mr Bush & Tony Blair are so unshakable in
determination of this unjust war? Why are they bombing Iraqi cities,
killing defenceless women & childern when the whole world does not
supported the selfish war on iraqi.i urge nigerians or muslims to continue to pray
for our brothers & sisters in iraqi.
Also i'll urges Nigerians or muslims to stop listening or watching sky news or cnn
for now 'cos they're not helping the matter from their reporting.




Sir, the next topic i'll like us to think of. is the war on iraqi, what affect
does it have on Nigeria's economy?
abdulgee write in from Lagos ???
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ihsan on March 29, 2003, 09:27:31 PM
I heard on the news yesterday wai Syria is sending military help into Iraq...I think it's the night vision thingy...Rumsfield had the gut to say wai that's a hostile act! huh??? ??? lallai mutanen are sellfish!

Ay when Blair teamed up with them (Americans), to bomb Iraq, that was not seen as a "hostile act" but as "bringing ppl to jushtish" (lol)

In Russia kuma, in one pub, suka lika on the door wai if u r a British or an American,don't expect service!!!

And I heard things are not going as "planned"...they (US and UK) are losing men on the field (ALhamdulillah)...

And they are also hitting civilians!!! many dead and injured... I saw this baby on TV (taken to the hospital) so helpless...wallahi abun tausayi ?:'(

Allah dai Ya sakawa wadanda ake cuta... Insha Allah kuma sai Bush da mukarraban shi sunga downfall dinsu!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Rose on March 30, 2003, 12:34:07 AM
QuoteAssalamu Alaikum
Also i'll urges Nigerians or muslims to stop listening or watching sky news or cnn
for now 'cos they're not helping the matter from their reporting.
Wallahi I'm with you here,
Not just Nigerian muslim but to all muslim arround the world.
Nidama i have quit SKY, BBC, ITV, CNN, &Co since the war startet cuz i see no point listening to them.

QuoteI heard on the news yesterday wai Syria is sending military help into Iraq
Thats supper i hope other muslim country will do the same
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Sas on March 30, 2003, 02:56:32 AM
Most of the the people wants their children back and "forest" wants to take more soldiers over there in a few weeks. Thats Bush. Someone abused him after receiving an oscar a week ago and got booeyed by the people. I hope Nigeria doesn't join the list of the U.S/British Alies soon.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 30, 2003, 03:53:21 AM
I hope so too, u know no one can be trusted anymore(media). Lets keep to our faith and Insha Allah things will work out
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ihsan on March 30, 2003, 10:03:29 PM
Mu fa tamu ta fara samun mu!!! naji ance wai wani abu ya shigo garin nan from Iraq (through the air) some gas or something like that...idan aka shaka yana saka mura, headache and all the likes... Allah dai ya kare Al ummar musulmai a ko'ina...Ameen
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Blaqueen on March 30, 2003, 11:22:49 PM
children, i hope ya'll got to learn a VITAL lesson...

LOVE THY NEIGHBORS.... TREAT UR NEIGHBORS WELL... ALWAYS MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH UR NEIGHBORS... DO EVERYTHING TSAKANI DA ALLAH

if only Saddam kept it real with the countries neighboring him.. then NONE of this woulda happened...

anyone else learnt sumthin from this?
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on March 31, 2003, 12:26:53 AM
 UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
kAPISH
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2003, 01:42:23 PM
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( shege bush wallahi kaman in kashe she. dan ******** ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on April 03, 2003, 01:50:29 AM

Wallahi hafcy said it all! Amma bari in dan tai maka miki hafcy ...


That good for nothing [beep] [beep] [beep], son of a [beep] [beep]. That no good [beep], dirty [beep] [beep]. Son of a thousand fathers like [beep] [beep] [beep]. His mother... his mother I rather not talk of... but she is well described as [beep] [beep] [beep] and [beep] of [beep] even as at 1960.
Bush is a [beep] and also a [beep]. If I eva get him ama woop[beep] his [beep] [beep]. And If I could, ama [beep] and castrate his [beep] [beep] and his [beep][beep]daddy. Ama [beep] [beep] his entire [beep] [beep] family and what is left of his [beep] world when I'am done wid him.

I'm [beep] outta here
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Ibro2g on April 03, 2003, 01:57:10 AM
a'a, where did all the beep's come from. :-/ Ani ways it was just outta anger.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: abdulgee on April 03, 2003, 08:19:41 PM
Assalamu Alaikum


There are supposed to be two KINDS of people
in the world:those who see LIFE as a tragedy and
those who see it as a comedy, but President Bush
see LIFE as a DISASTER in iraqi.

abdulgee ???
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Borg on April 03, 2003, 10:06:23 PM
I think they are accusing Iran and Syria just to justify who they invade next. Iraq is just a tip of the iceberg.
In sun san wata basu san wata ba... mu ci gaba da wurga musu Kulhuwa! Allah ya kare duk muslmi duk in da su ke.
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Rose on April 03, 2003, 11:50:34 PM
Quotechildren, i hope ya'll got to learn a VITAL lesson...

LOVE THY NEIGHBORS.... TREAT UR NEIGHBORS WELL... ALWAYS MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH UR NEIGHBORS... DO EVERYTHING TSAKANI DA ALLAH

if only Saddam kept it real with the countries neighboring him.. then NONE of this woulda happened...

anyone else learnt sumthin from this?
Haba dyme!
and what did palastians does to their neighbors?
and what does ordinary Iragis women and children suffering today does?
For me no matter what saddam hussein does is not an excuse for what is happening today in iraq. Pregnant women giving birth just out of fear, Haba jama'a! Aji tsoran Allah Duniyar nan
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: fulani_queen on April 16, 2003, 08:04:05 PM
lets juss continue doin wat borg said....juss keep prayin. bush is juss tryin to take tha whole middle east. thats all. first it was iraq, and now there on syria. *me ke damun wannan aladan ne wai!?!?!....anywayzz....next is iran, then saudi...and then other places....
nigeria fa.....hehe...its on their list!...(lol!)...ba sa san mu... :-/
*hiss....duk bush ze sa duniyan ta tashi tun kafin loka chin shi!!!!!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: fulani_queen on April 16, 2003, 08:05:29 PM
lets juss continue doin wat borg said....juss keep prayin. bush is juss tryin to take tha whole middle east. thats all. first it was iraq, and now there on syria. *me ke damun wannan aladan ne wai!!!??....anywayzz....next is iran, then saudi...and then other places....
nigeria fa.....hehe...its on their list!...(lol!)...ba sa san mu... :-/
ni fa i want to see my kids before this duniya ya tashi!!! :-[
*hiss....duk bush ze sa duniyan ta tashi tun kafin lokachin ta!!!!!
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2003, 02:58:29 AM
"*hiss....duk bush ze sa duniyan ta tashi tun kafin lokachin ta!!!!! "

I don't think what you said here make sense to me. Duniya zata tashi ranar da Allah yaso lokacin da Allah yaso kuma ya ga dama. The shortest time that a human brain can imagine will not be added or deducted from the original fixed time. Neither Bush nor anyone else can effect it. Kawai dai Bush is doing the wrong thing trying to rule the oil in the middle east and what you said first is the right thing "keep praying" amma dai gyaran anan shine bazai tashi duniya ba kwatakwata. Whatever happens thats how the God decided and not Bush.  ;)
Title: Re: War On Iraq
Post by: fulani_queen on April 18, 2003, 08:28:37 PM
(lol!)OFCOURSE!!!!!!!!!!!
i know that!!!!....juss said it for tha heck of it... ;)