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Title: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2002, 08:05:05 PM
First of all I'd like 2 say 2 thumbs up 4 this site. ALLAH ya kara taimakawa.

Secondly, I would like to raise an issue on concern, so that we could share our views. Basically am on about Tribalism. From my own point of view, Tribalism is one of the biggest issues faced by Nigerians as a whole. It is an issue faced by Nigerians, which one could relate as the source of some crisis faced by our people. It is quite frustrating the way wazobia is not as it is, It all means come, so it symbolises coming together as one, then why is it not so? Some experieces I've encountered was walking into a shop owned by a Yoruba woman and I get treated with less concern just because am hausa, and a yoruba gentleman walks in gets treated with more respect, which I find very annoying. I believe we should all be treated the same and equal. Its not about where one comes from, what language he/she speak, what type of food they eat, how their leaders rule or whether they communicate less differently than I do. When God created man he never did mention, classify yourselve into groups and speak differently, even when we do, he never mentioned dont accept others that are non yorubas, hausas or non Igbos, or did he? Just because she is  hausa, the parents will raise up world war fighting that she should not marry a yoruba man? Why is that so? What makes him different from a hausa man?
Another example is, I do surf Nigerian websites and from the impression am getting, as it comes from my own point of view, am not trying to be judgemental here, but tribalism does account on how yoruba people visit websites put up by a yoruba man & you get to see only the yorubas signing their guest books, or a hausa person signing an Igbo persons guest book and leaving nasty messages just because he/she is not hausa. Its like stick to your own people's thing going on about. I cant say, just because am hausa that means I will totally reject other tribes or I will not learn to fit in with them. Why the differentiating? Why the tribalism? Why cant we be neutral? Why cant we be together as one?
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Post by: admin on October 14, 2002, 09:09:11 PM
Assalamu alaikum;
Ummita,

Thank you for posting this important topic. I think you have raised some important issues here. Lets get some comments and suggestions about it from everyone.
 
I also moved the topic from the Feedback Board to this, the General Board where it is more likely to get higher visibility.

Thanks and Haza Wasalam,
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Blaqueen on October 14, 2002, 11:17:39 PM
yeah......... it does happen.......

but personally....... i got very tight friends from all over nigeria.. .and we dont fall for the tribalism madness....
although i've come across mad ignorant people... its always good to think about the good people who make a difference...


i'm s'pose to be on strike.... but i cldnt resist this topic... nwayzzzz... back to my strike..... dont miss meeh  :P
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Dan-Sokoto on October 15, 2002, 01:59:31 AM
Assalaam!

For a start, FD Queen whats hap? We haven't seen you for a while. Just about raising your issue with admin in order possibly to go for your 'biko', but suddenly you re-surfaced. thanks be to all-mighty.

Now, to the issue of the moment. Tribalism, is a hard fact. It does exist in our society,unfortunately. However, am not trying to exculpate hausas, but honestly speaking, the hausas are less tribalistic in the nigerian enterprise. Example, on the world wide web of today, ninety-nine percent of e-groups from and on nigeria are by non-hausas. Issues they discuss? Abusing and denigrating hausa-fulani. Even web-site on Nigerian affairs like the nigeriaworld.com don't even publish anything or a posted article that is complimentary about hausa-fulani. Compare that with gamji.com which though a northern website by a hausa-fulani but publishes all articles by any nigerian complimentary or non-complimentary to the cause of hausa-fulani. So to me, on issues of tribalism in nigeria, hausa-fulanis are only reactive and playing a catching game as against the rest of the country that are pro-active and out to demonize the hausa-fulanis.

I have more insight on this issue, but will like to hold on now in order to gauge the direction of the discussion.

Dan-Sokoto
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2002, 12:56:21 AM
Salamu alaikum
TRibalism exists only in the mind of the illiterate.
For the educated person, your cultural affliliation is nothing but another function of the world society.
Basically babu wanda zai fara cin mutunci wata kabila batareda sasan wani abu game da wannan kabilar ba.
Mu hausawa yarabawa sun daukemu jahillai a boko whilst mukuma mundauke si maguzawa kazamai.
All are prejudices are based on experiences.
Allah ya sawwake.
Bissalam.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Dan-Sokoto on October 16, 2002, 07:28:42 AM
Mallam Amin!

We are not talking of perception which exists only in the mind. We are talking about something which is real and cancerous in our society. If you have not experienced  tribalism, i m sure many nigerians have. Its just like you telling african americans that, racism does not exist.

Please how do we overcome or minimize this problem in our society?

Dan-Sokoto
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2002, 01:29:14 PM
Salam,
Iam almost an addict 2 the internet but I never know there is a beutiful thing going on here until I was invited to read this topic. Well, I know about the site, but God, u guys are doing really great. Keep up the good job!!
I read ummit's view and all the other replies. The sensitivity of this topic can never be overemphasized as this is very crucial in the healthy development of the nation.
The most worrying situation is how this disease has eaten so deep; imagine situations in our tertiary institutions. Schools' environments seems to be very healthy but nowadays the situation is very terrible. 70% of schools riot starts from one tribal fight or the other. My point here is, we know academic environments to be a model to other communities and if these are happening then where do those that were not chanced to go to schools learn from?!!!
I feel one of the best way to eradicate this is through the schools. Well, the NYSC programme is also in effect but truly it is not helping at all; what with the graduate influencing their posting and rejecting posting letters to the southern states?
Media houses could be another way especially for the millions of non-educated citizenry perhaps proving to them that we are one as ummita rightly pointed.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Fulanizzle on October 17, 2002, 02:01:56 PM
Tribalism.......hmmm
that is  a problem that will never be solved in nija... just like trying to stop racism....

As long as people differ from each other, there will always be this mess happening...

Before anyone misuderstands me, I am  no tribalist....

But this new generation arent as hard-minded as the older generations are about different tribes....

But still lutta trabalism goes on! It hurts me so Wallah to see these tribal fights and people getting hurt or loosing their dear lives over this useless tribal dispute!!!!

And people wonder why it is almost impossible for Nigeria  to PROGRESS!!!!!
NO CO OPERATION!!!!! NO LOVE!!!! NO SECURITY!!!!!
In  offices, a man from Tribe A will try his best to see the down fall of someone from Tribe B... I just dont get this!!!!

Tribes beefin with other Tribes  and later on when "NIGERIA" is mentioned, all those same tribes will raise their hands up!!!!!  WE R ALL THE SAME- BLACKS-NIGERIANS-AFRICANS-EARTHINGS- oookay maybe i went a bit too far...

still Trabalism brings nada  but pain, hatered, and regrets.....

May Allah guide and help us...AMEEEEN :d
Title: RE: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2003, 06:23:28 PM
This na one great topic for all this hausa, igbo,yourbas infact all of us. See this Amin which kyan only for mind of illertrate, that one na complete lies. Tribalism exists whether you say or no. It is faced bu Nijans as Ummita mentioned(ehemm by d way credits 2 u). By the river again, emmm Ummmita incase you forgot...you are not hausa ::)

Dyme whether all southerners or your freinds or not. You wont ignore the fact that triabalism doesnt exist. It is no madness but what I will call reality in action

Dan_Sokoto its not a one to one, point of view here. You cant judge your tribe as less tribalist. Hausa, Yoruba Igbos, Ummita & Dyme (sorry) and even fulanis are all tribalist. Dan _sokoto, If I was in your shoes thats the same thing I will say. All Nijanz are tribalist.

The only person I agreeded a littul bit was Fula wetin bi di gyel name sef? if no bi as I fit gane.........wallahi i go call you tribalist number one. because I see no reason for that yuwa nickname titul, why no one call him/herself hausalinicious,Igbocious,or yorubacious, but as I grab....it is so ok 8) ;) :D
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Egede1 on January 14, 2003, 07:19:56 PM
Could this post titled ?TRIBALISM? a display of disingenuous shenanigan from the products of feudalistic northern Nigeria? If this debate is born out of soul searching and wiliness to shun the status quo in Nigeria, the country maybe on her way to recovery.  
However, I have been appalled to read the display of lack of ingenuity from northern Nigerians who act in one instance and may want us to believe otherwise. It was a sorry moment for me to watch northern Nigerian lads postulate in denouncing ethnic bias (tribalism) in the lowest denominator. However, talk is very cheap and precipitous actions are very expensive. Did it occur to the contributors to lookup themselves in the mirror and question their sincerity on the subject matter? It is very amazing to watch, sincere or not, the northern Nigerian elements berating tribalism that long served and continue to serve as benevolent spirit to them. It must be recalled that northern Nigerians have immensely benefited from the institutionalized tribalism erected by the federal govt. of Nigeria led by their grandfathers, fathers, uncles and brothers. In fact, there is no doubt that these fellows who indulged in this mockery would trace the footsteps of their tribal-monger past generations into Nigerian government. Introduction of ethnic bias (tribalism) has been the hallmark of feudalistic northern Nigerian since the amalgamation of northern and southern Nigerian protectorates in 1914. In 1959, the northern Nigerian political leaders introduced nepotism, ethnicity and religious intolerance into Nigerian Civil service. Couple years later, the northern Nigerian feudal saw the implementation of institutionalized tribalism-quota system in the recruitment of officer cadets into Nigerian Armed forces. If the intakes of cadets into Nigerian Army were based on meritorious principles rather than tribalism, Nigeria may not have witnessed the likes of Babangida, Abacha, Isa Bukar, Buka Dimka, A Haruna, Nethan Nehu, Murtala Mohammed, M. Buhari etc. When you thought that the northern Nigerian leaders are done making tribalism official act of the government, they slammed Nigerians with J.A.M.B (Joint Admission and Matriculation Board). Yes, the introduction of J.A.M.B was the final sword the feudalistic northern Nigerian struck into the heart of Nigerian academia. I am not surprised that Nigeria is devoid of anything progressively constructive be it academics, politics, economy, industry and even human beings.        
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: nura on January 15, 2003, 12:16:49 PM
People like Egede1 are not supposed to be in this forum I move for his expulsion by the admin. This forum should be viewed as a way to improve the Nigerian Nation Socially, Politically, Educationally, Morally etc. Believe me I have learned a lot from this web site and I believe that Allah will surely reward Salisu U. Danyaro for creating this medium but I can not take insults from people like Egede1. He wants to practice the Thisday style, IRRESPONSIBILITY. He is not an objective writer, his entire contribution is rubbish and subjective and hence rejected. It therefore does not belong in a civilised community. Let's ignore him therefore and help get a solution to this menace that has been bugging this country from inception. People like Egede1 makes you think that Nigeria can not work, in fact because of similar souls I used to advocate for a Peaceful Separation.

Let's discuss minus Egede1 and his ilk please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Egede1 on January 15, 2003, 08:46:44 PM
AbuMujahid

Your call to censor me from the web and incoherent ranting without proffering alternative to the subject matter or at least suggest solution to the institutionalized tribalism tell all about you-a borderline imbecile. If you are a fit contributor to this debate, you should have highlighted where my post nose-dived. I had expected you to say that there is no tribal or sectional based quota system adapted in the recruitment of officer?s cadets into Nigerian Armed Forces or that JAMB is not erected for ethnic or sectional baiting. Both federal and state public services are strictly tuned to cater for certain ethnic groups. How could you stamp out tribalism in Nigeria when government has institutionalized it? Your buffoonery premise smacks of total idiocy and stream of thought begs for help. Look dude, I am interested in going the whole nine yards in solving the social ills in our society but all the facts should be laid out on the table.        
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Blaqueen on January 16, 2003, 01:16:05 AM
egede... u wrote sooo much... but did NOT make sense.. whutsoever...
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Ummulhuda on January 16, 2003, 01:23:00 AM
Break it right there you two! I mean AbuM and E1. Mudslinging is Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad for this site. E1, no abuses please. Each and every individual on this forum ?has a unique intellect peculiar to him/her. There is no grain of imbecility in anyone of us.
Secondly, you were out of line. Everyone of us is on this forum because we want to bridge this gap of tribal individualism. Most of us here may be northerners but you forget that within us (northerners) we are a multitude of tribes, and we like and respect each other. This mutual understanding of one another which was generated and is greatly fostered by our religion Islam is what makes us Northerners a cohesive force (to be reckoned with!) and that is one of the reasons why the Southern part of Nig. feels threatened by the North. You see E1, all the diatribe spouting from the south is an indication of a people insecure with themselves. Live and let live is a motto of a people who are confident of their identity and are therefore willing to allow others to co exist side by side with them. I hope you have been to Kano at least once in your life then you will see what I mean. ?
As for the Northern Hegemony or what ever that is supposed to mean. I take it you are referring to the north 'hijacking' the leadership. Well dude, its only natural! Want to know why?
I will tell you. We've had practice at leading nations for hundreds of years. What did you think the Hausa Bakwai was all about? Or the TransSaharan trade for that matter? Do you think it would have been possible without good governance? Did you know that the British resorted to indirect rule in the North because they found a sophisticated hierarchical power structure to rival their own? They were so impressed, they left it intact! Tell me an instance of this  happening in the South.
I will tell you something else! A number of years ago, a British diplomat was summarily deported back to his homeland on charges of spying. He had to leave without salvaging any of his belongings. Some of the incriminating evidence found on him was a summary of the characteristics of the three Major tribes in Nig.The Igbos, Hausa- Fulani and Yoruba. Care to know his conclusions?
Igbos are very industrious ppl
Hausa -Fulani are very good administrators (take note of that!!!!)
Yorubas? If I tell you what he said here, I will start a third world war and that would be counter productive! But honestly speaking this is a true account and not made up so don't turn your spits at me! And for any Yoruba on this forum I appologise if I offend.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: wazoba2000 on January 16, 2003, 07:35:20 PM
I totally agreed with you Egede1. Thanks Egede1 for telling the truth, even though truth can be very bitter. ?AbuMujahid I am very surprise at your comment that Egede1 should be censor from this site just because he is telling the truth. Is this not what democracy is all about? ?Ummulhuda to reply to your comment you do not know what you are saying, please go and read the history of Nigeria, mostly that of Yoruba Kingdom. ?You will know that the Yoruba had the best ruling system in Nigeria before the British came. ?Please for once lets all have an intelligent conversation and tackled the issues that Egede1 is addressing. Peace all !!!
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Muhammad on January 17, 2003, 12:38:25 AM
Salam All

        Egede 1, you have once again succeeded in fragmenting this forum along ethnic lines. I am sure this is not the reason for creating this forum.
       Instead of attacking individuals who have nothing to do with shaping  the political outlook of the country- Ummita, dan Sokoto admin or Kamil Awwal, I suggest you channel you anger or rather ignorance to more fruitful means. You can challenge the introduction of JAMB in the courts or the national assembly.
I have noticed a flagarant lie in your reply regarding the competence of people like Buhari or Babangida. Both served in the Civil war with distinction. Buhari fought gallantly against Chadians at Maiduguri. Babangida took control of the radio House at Lagos when it was taken over by coupists in the 70's. I don't know what more to add to proove their competence. Were they Democrats, NO. But that does not make them dumb or stupid.
You solidly potrayed your ignorance when you said the  person " Nethan Nehu" could not have been in the Army  had it been more open. From the name, it will be assumed you meant "Netanyahu" a genaral in the Isreali Army.
Finally, If you are offended by what the "feudalistic" Northerners write in this posts, then DO NOT RETURN PLEASE. If you return, then you must abide by all the rules that govern this site, whether or not you think they are fair.  
This is my opinion not the admin's.  
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Blaqueen on January 17, 2003, 02:32:06 AM
talkin about tribalism....

i remember one lady... she was soo nice soooo sweet, i call her my aunty...
whenever i wanted.. i could go into her house and take all the plaintain i wanted... blessings :D
she takes meeh out wit her kids... picnics, swimming, bbqs, EVERYWHERE.... during xmas she cooks the best dishes and sends it over to our house..
this sweet neighbor of ours... baked all the cakes for my sibling's birthdays.. and even juss baked us a cake for the heck of it...
she took care of meeh and my sisters and brothers when my parents went to saudi for hajj...
she took meeh to the hospital when i was sick while my parents are away..
her husband helped my brother with his yoruba h/work.. my brother got the highest grade in the class filled with yoruba students....
the lady and her family are juss SUPER! i can go on and on and on and on... aunty gbemi, one in a million!
meeting someone like her... how can I EVER dislike yoruba people or xtians?...

a beg jare... my uncle is even married to a yoruba lady...  :D
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: lionger on January 17, 2003, 03:24:16 AM
QuoteBreak it right there you two! I mean AbuM and E1. Mudslinging is Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad for this site. E1, no abuses please. Each and every individual on this forum ?has a unique intellect peculiar to him/her. There is no grain of imbecility in anyone of us.
Secondly, you were out of line. Everyone of us is on this forum because we want to bridge this gap of tribal individualism. Most of us here may be northerners but you forget that within us (northerners) we are a multitude of tribes, and we like and respect each other. This mutual understanding of one another which was generated and is greatly fostered by our religion Islam is what makes us Northerners a cohesive force (to be reckoned with!) and that is one of the reasons why the Southern part of Nig. feels threatened by the North. You see E1, all the diatribe spouting from the south is an indication of a people insecure with themselves. Live and let live is a motto of a people who are confident of their identity and are therefore willing to allow others to co exist side by side with them. I hope you have been to Kano at least once in your life then you will see what I mean. ?
As for the Northern Hegemony or what ever that is supposed to mean. I take it you are referring to the north 'hijacking' the leadership. Well dude, its only natural! Want to know why?
I will tell you. We've had practice at leading nations for hundreds of years. What did you think the Hausa Bakwai was all about? Or the TransSaharan trade for that matter? Do you think it would have been possible without good governance? Did you know that the British resorted to indirect rule in the North because they found a sophisticated hierarchical power structure to rival their own? They were so impressed, they left it intact! Tell me an instance of this ?happening in the South.
I will tell you something else! A number of years ago, a British diplomat was summarily deported back to his homeland on charges of spying. He had to leave without salvaging any of his belongings. Some of the incriminating evidence found on him was a summary of the characteristics of the three Major tribes in Nig.The Igbos, Hausa- Fulani and Yoruba. Care to know his conclusions?
Igbos are very industrious ppl
Hausa -Fulani are very good administrators (take note of that!!!!)
Yorubas? If I tell you what he said here, I will start a third world war and that would be counter productive! But honestly speaking this is a true account and not made up so don't turn your spits at me! And for any Yoruba on this forum I appologise if I offend.


I disagree with several comments you made here partaining to domination of political leadership by the Hausa-fulani and the superiority of their emirate system. A quick look at portions of nigeria's history is in order here.

Firstly, the explanation for the dominance in national leadership is very simple: in July 1966, a countercoup led by Northern military officers over threw Ironsi's government. they subsequently purged (in other words, killed) most of the igbo, midwest and a few western military officers. As such the North dominated the armed forces and thus has dominated national leadership! It has absolutely nothing to do with how long the Hausa-fulani have practised governance. I could agree that the northern politicians are the best at their profession in Nigeria but i'm sure you won't call corrupt military dictatorship good governance.

NOw to the subject of indirect rule in colonial Nigeria. The British used this method to rule most of their colonies in Africa and Asia. This policy was very successful in northern nigeria, worked to some extent in the west and was a bit disastrous in the East. Why? Because of the different forms of government practised by each region.
The emirates were centralized governments and as such the emir was a supreme leader; his word was final(correct me ifi'm wrong here). After the British subdued them, the emirs kept their titles, but were now salaried district heads, responsible for peacekeeping and tax collection, and responsible to the British district officers. The emirate system made the british job of governance too easy. For this reason it was culturally very easy for the northerners to accept colonial rule.
In the west this policy had measured success because in the Yoruba government, the Oba was not quite a supreme leader. In fact if he took action without consulting the council of chiefs he was forced to commit suicide. As such, the Yorubas were a bit uncomfortable with british rule.
The East, however, did not have any elaborate system of governemnt. Among the Igbo, the highest form of government was the the village, each with its own council of elders. They never had kings and thus the idea of one man ruling over tehm was foreign and infact quite unacceptable. The Igbo were thus antagonized by the Warrant chiefs and their british overlords. This led to occasional unrest, the most famous of which is the Aba women't revolt of 1929.

Thus the north was quite comfortable with british rule, whereas the south wasn't. This is why most of the founding fathers or agitators for nigerian independence were southerners.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2003, 12:48:51 PM
Tribalism: I am half bendelite. You see tribalism is not only based on Hausa or the northerners. Ppl from Anambra, Oyo eg: Plateau girls and Akwa Ibom, these ppl dont interract well. Among the southerners, there is tribalism in between them. So this tribalism does not regard only the Hausa. As hausa are always blamed as tribalist: here this!!! WWhen I informed my daddy's ppl over my suitor, as per am getting or will soon be married to a hausa man. I stood up, trashing the guord of palmwine and shout (ABOMINATION, not in my life time). So if hausas are tribalist what makes the northerners any better to readjust this issue.

Accepting other ppl their values and culture will definately make Nigeria better. How can ppl like Egede & Lionger obviously get the picture that northers are not tribalsit, when they have refused to fit in with them talkless of knwing them well to sum up a judgement.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2003, 12:51:56 PM
Ii meant if hausa are tribalist what makes the southerners any better.? I have to be honest am not in support. be you a northerner souther it still doesnt matter we are all humans
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Blaqueen on January 17, 2003, 01:05:41 PM
millicent thank u!!!!!! ;D
i even have bendelite cousins!!!!!!! we're all one.. HUMANS!

i'm sure if every nigerian sat down and traced their family tree.. they'll see that they dont come from a "pure" tribe... everyone is MIX!!!! insult others.. ur insulting urself!!!!!!

as for tribalism...
during the conflict in kaduna... i know a hausa family who protected an igbo xtian and his family...
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: lionger on January 17, 2003, 02:33:12 PM
milicent

fyi i have MANY northern friends and have lived in the north for many years. i don't know what you saw in any of my posts that indicates that i think northerners are tribalists, and that southerners arent, or that i dislike northerners.  tribalism is big problem in Nigerian politics. nobody is saying that southerners aren't tribalist; of course they are! exactly why a a schism in nigeria would not mean the south will become very prosperous.

FDQ i've been reading your posts for a long time b4 i decided to post comments on this forum n i must say that i admire your cool-headed optimistic apporach. obviously its hard for ppl here to see but i don't hate northerners. i know about the heroic acts by some muslims and christians during the kaduna riots. and you may be right about the family tree thingy; my father's family lived in zaria a long time ago until the pogroms of 1966. His first language is hausa, though he is in fact not of hausa origin. my mother is from the nigerdelta.  

so yes we should all learn to accept each other, but naija's problems are not simple. as much as we'd like it we can't just hold hands, sing a song and expect all the problems to blow away. nope. some drastic change has to occur; and it has to start with leadership.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2003, 07:43:39 PM
Ummul

"Igbos, Hausa- Fulani and Yoruba. Care to know his conclusions?
Igbos are very industrious ppl
Hausa -Fulani are very good administrators (take note of that!!!!)
Yorubas? If I tell you what he said here, I will start a third world war and that would be counter productive! But honestly speaking this is a true account and not made up so don't turn your spits at me! And for any Yoruba on this forum I appologise if I offend. "

I am a pround Yoruba man,   the Yoruba have been extremely good administrator, industrious and inventive.  I would take the British spy article with a pinch of salt. All ethnic group in Nigeria have good quality and if Nigeria separate none of us would starve, we would all progress. I am for a peaceful separation of Nigeria.
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Egede1 on January 17, 2003, 08:28:05 PM
Amin, you wrote ?Egede1, you have once again succeeded in fragmenting this forum along ethnic lines?. ?I am not quite sure that I have contributed to any debate on the forum before now. But if my intuition serves me right the subject matter teeters along ethnic lines hence tribalism. ?

I do not subscribe to any form tribalism in Nigeria. My post kicked and will continue to kick against institutionalized tribalism. I do not have qualms with the ranting of the Mr. Amin but the Amin did neither fault the QUOTA SYSETEM tailored toward ethnic bias nor that JAMB was erected for ethnic baiting. The arrogance you exhumed when you said ? You can challenge the introduction of JAMB in the court or the national assembly? was understandable. In fact, you are right. ?I have nothing against anybody in Nigeria as my best friend is from northern Nigeria but we must breakdown any government policy that had ethnic aroma robbed all over it. Any adult in Nigeria is matured enough to choose his or her friend from any part of the country. Nonetheless, I will not stand the instance of a fine Nigerian military officer that can not protect my interest because the officer is not from my ethnic group.

Mr. Amin, with all due respect, you should not put words into my mouth. In my post, there was no place ?COMPETENCE? was referenced. And come to talk about competence, which is a subjective reference, every soldier in Nigeria army served in the Civil war with distinction. ?The ill of quota system is that it allows individual who could not have gone through the test of the moment to permeate the system. The rigid test is not only to get rid of those who are academically below par but lacking in character too. ?One of the major problems that saw Nigeria on the wayward path is tribal quota. It is rather unfortunate that you could not remember northern Nigerian military officers who did not make it to the position of Head of State. I could have been wrong in the spelling of his name as ?Nethan Nehu? but sure was a Lieutenant in Nigerian Army ?signals? in 1966.

In addition, I have to duff my hat to the lady who summoned the courage to raise this issue of tribalism in Nigeria. This canker worm is eating into the fabric of our national unity and should be stopped every place it has existed. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: TRIABALISM TRIABALISM TRIABALISM
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2003, 09:37:08 PM
Egede 1, I think you are addressing the wrong person  :-X it was Amin that replied and not the Admin. Check again and see
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Post by: Egede1 on January 17, 2003, 10:35:59 PM
Guest
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. The post has been edited and directed to the right person.
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Post by: fatee on January 20, 2003, 10:22:39 AM
We cannot draw a blank our differences,
But we should live to understand the differences.
(sardauna of sokoto)
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Post by: nura on January 20, 2003, 01:59:15 PM
I am not tribalist. I live very well with other tribes and I think all of us do so. I think Ummita's objective in bringing this topic up for discussion is to help increase our tollerance level in respect of living with other people.

For me and most of us your tribe or where you come from does not matter so also your religion. The yard stick I and I think most people use in judging people is their disposition towards me and most atimes you'll find that they have a favourable one. Which means good people irrespective of tribe, section, creed or religion consider me good enough to relate with.

But still there are people who are very subjective, they look at your race or religion; tribe or where you come from. These people are highly judgemental, for instance because I am from the North some of these people think I am not a correct guy or because I dont drink alcohol or smoke or even because of my religion. These people are everywhere, North, West, East, Muslims, Christians etc. I seriously think that it is because of these type of people that Ummita started the topic. It therefore does not make sense to be subjective in discussing such an important National Issue. Lets forget Abacha, IBB, Buhari or any other person their generation has gone and they are eating into ours. Lets stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
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Post by: Ummulhuda on January 20, 2003, 03:01:22 PM
QuoteLets forget Abacha, IBB, Buhari or any other person their generation has gone and they are eating into ours. Lets stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
Let's get rid of the whole topic! Raises my delicate heart balance whenever I look at it. I motion for its closure. Any seconds?........................
Oh I see we are ALL agreed!
Well that makes a change! Now if we could only agree to live peaceably together............
Admin, Put an iron gate and a couple of security guards over the topic and let's have some PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!  
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Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2003, 02:01:04 AM
Peace, to the Administrator, Contributors and Readers.
As we all know Tribalism is a serious issue affecting our country. I agree with most of the points made by Ummita. Based on personal experiences I too have been subjected to tribalism even though I am of part Southern parentage. What gets to me is the way they say this or that politician from the North is favoring me (personally!)
If you get into a slangin' match. You're accused of a being an apologist for the imaginary hegemony. If you say nothing, then your silence is considered as guilt. You can't win. If we are to be honest Yorubas and Ibo's are the worst offenders, even towards themselves. ;D
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Post by: Egede1 on January 22, 2003, 08:19:16 PM
I am disappointed that few contributors are calling for the closure of this thread. When young Nigerians could not exercise the demeanor of democratic principles, I tend to question the place of democracy in Nigeria. It is naked fact that a born tribalist always feels uncomfortable debating the issue of tribalism or ethnic bias. Nobody is born wicked rather human beings made a human being to be wicked. I did not know about tribalism or ethnic bias or religious intolerance in Nigeria until the year 1966. This particular year will always remind me that Nigeria is a mere expression of word. It remains a simple word that does not connote anything beyond the sound in the pronunciation of the word or the paper on which it is written. And the actions of subsequent governments have not helped issue in any form or shape. We shall call on the federal govt. of Nigeria to tear down quota system slammed on the recruitment of the young officer?s cadets into Nigerian armed forces. Nigerian govt. should render JAMB (Joint Admission and Matriculation Board) absolute useless. All admission to Nigerian military institutions, academic institutions, recruitment into public services and promotions should be based on meritorious examinations. I have read articles where people are calling Igbos and Yorubas as worst tribalists in Nigeria. Anyway, these people are entitled to their opinion. But I should recalled that no ethnic group in Nigeria that have gone out of their form to embrace people of other ethnic group like the Igbos. Even when the other ethnic groups frown at the presence of the Igbos in their domain, the Igbo kept coming.        
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Post by: ummita on January 22, 2003, 08:33:09 PM
Egede, I've read all ur post & others kanoonliners with regards 2 this so-called tribalism, well we all heard ppls opinions. Some very judgemental, some containin one sided thingy, other were subjective while others were objective.

Igbo,Yoruba & even Hausas, r all tribalist, as long as eni tribe judges d others as tribalist then they 2 shud b regarded as tribalist.

EGEDE............can I simply ask u su'in......? R U TRIBALIST?

.................Hold up there!!! I know ur answer..........NO (ryt)? U r not. So lets sit down..........say e.g (u & I) Wat shud we du or how can we bring about major changes 2 tribalism. Lets broker a peace settlement. Tell me Wat du u think d northerners do that alot of southerner or whereeva regard these hausa ppl as tribalist.?

CAN ANY1 AMONGST D HAUSAS OR YORUBA VOLUNTEER to tell me wat they think that makes them think that southerners r tribalist?

Lets all STOP judging who r fast superior when it comes down to tribalism, wat shud we du to stop it. I know it might not have a solution, but wat can help?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Speak up or 4eva hold ur piece :D
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Post by: ummita on January 22, 2003, 09:12:47 PM
QuoteIn addition, I have to duff my hat to the lady who summoned the courage to raise this issue of tribalism in Nigeria. This canker worm is eating into the fabric of our national unity and should be stopped every place it has existed. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

eHEMMM........shud I accept this......(Of course!!!)....I thank u Broda Egede. ;) (she laffs) Juss kiddin around. Bck 2 issues
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Post by: Egede1 on January 23, 2003, 12:15:09 AM
ummita

If I am a triblist, it could have been a welcome sight for me that federal govt. of Nigeria had institutionalized ethnic bias in her policies. If you had followed my posts very closely, you would have discovered that my posts have never indulged in labeling any section of the Nigeria tribalistic. However, my posts have kicked against any instance of federal govt. of Nigeria creating classes of distinction among the populace. It is not my style to bring my personal experiences with other ethnic groups in public. I believed that many of us have experienced some form of discrimination either on the bases of ethnicity or religion. Of course, Nigeria is an assembly of many ethnic groups but the federal govt. should not make it worse than is already by institutionalizing ethnic bias.
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Post by: admin on January 23, 2003, 12:40:47 AM
Thank you all for contributing to this topic.

At this point this thread has outlived its usefulness. It is therefore, being locked.