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Former President Olusegun Obasanjo yesterday floored the presidential candidate of the All Nigeria Peoples Party (ANPP), Major General Muhammad Buhari (rtd) as the Election Petition Tribunal in Abuja said that joining the former president in the petition or insisting that he must appear to respond to allegations has  no basis in law. In a similar vein, General Buhari reacted to the withdrawal of his party?s petition, saying that it was an attempt to make the country a one-party state.
General Buhari had asked the tribunal to nullify the last general election, which he alleged was rigged. He further averred that Chief Obasanjo played a major role in the alleged malpractices. But delivering the ruling yesterday, the tribunal Chairman, Justice James Ogede said that making Obasanjo a party to the suit contravened section 142 (2) of the Electoral Act 2006 adding that since Obasanjo was not a candidate in the controversial election, there was no reason to join him.
He expressed no hesitation in striking out the name of the former president from the list of respondents, stressing that the tribunal did not bother itself on the issue of immunity clause raised by the counsel.
Justice Ogede whose ruling was agreed to by other four justices on the panel said that the provision of the law relating to the joinder was unambiguous and it states that only electoral officers could be joined in the petition in their official capacities. Obasanjo, he said, was not a candidate in the election and therefore not a compulsory party whose absence as a respondent could not affect the outcome of the petition. He said the allegation contained in the petition that Obasanjo misused the armed forces to rig the election could be handled independent of the petition.

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I dont know why this man is dragging this thing
too much, its time he stops fighting democracy
and concentrate on other issues.  So far so good,
this Yar'adua Government has been very fair, and
within his 100 days in office, so many changes
have happened.

Janar, enjoy your retirement, come 2011 ANPP
has their choice of candidate for the Presidency.
We appreciate your concern for the survival of
our nascent democracy, we will always remember
you as a hero in uniform and agbada.

Haba Dan Borno, leave the janar alone. He is fighting democracy? ko dai he is fighting FOR democracy? An nakasa democracy an yi kwace sai kuma a ce ba za a samu wa'yanda za suyi adawa da haka ba?  Haka za mu ci gaba a rika yi mana danniya ana sace mana rights din mu kuma a ce wai sai mu hakura? Leave the jannar alone!
Allah dai ya baiwa janar din mutanen da za su tsaya abayan sa ba don abin da suke hange za su samu ba bayan ya hau kan mulki.
JANAR DONT EVER LET IT GO! U ARE OUR LAST BASTION OF HOPE IN THIS CRIPPLED DEMOCRACY CALLED NIGERIA!! >:(

Well, I'm with you Husnaa, I believe he should fight on. Any govt formed on the basis of treachery and injstice should be fought. I refused to be swayed by the misguided notion of yaradua will do well. In as much as he allowed the atrocities of the last election to be commited on his behalf, for his selfish desire to be president, he's as bad as OBJ. I don't know if ANPP had withdrawn their petition. If they did, it is a slap on our face, and Allah ya isa.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on September 16, 2007, 01:03:02 PM

I don't know if ANPP had withdrawn their petition. If they did, it is a slap on our face, and Allah ya isa.

Wallahi they have withdrawn it.

Unfortunately Allanguro, I completely disagree with you on this point. Why should the general withdraw his petition? Like you and I, shouldnt he have a right to seek legal redress when he is wronged? In my opinion, there is nothing wrong at all if he continues to push on should he choose to. So long as he feels he has the means and the reason to do so, he's free to do so. The question you should have raised is being in his position would you choose to carry on or withdraw, considering the other subtle issues of PR, public image, elderly respect and deft politicking in our society. Your position or comment should be an advisory position Dan Borno, in which case I clearly understand your view point, vis-a-vis maintaining his respectful status in society.

Personally I feel he should push on, without compromise but with more wisdom and with an open eye to understanding the political game and how it works. He needs to understand the game of politics a lot more. He needs to see that the only difference between PDP, ANPP and any other political party for that matter is simply, OPPORTUNITY. Therefore while we acknowledge and support him for his attributes and his vision for Nigeria, it would take a little more than that to navigate the corridors of power and secure his seat, thus defeating the "politicians" in their own rotten game.

But my support for his petition is part of a much larger issue. A major point of correction Dan Borno, in my opinion, even if he should withdraw his petition IT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BASIS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING WELL.. becasue regardless of how well Yar'adua does IT DOES NOT AND WILL NEVER GIVE HIM LEGITIMACY in the eyes of we who seek truth, fairness and justice. Being a man of "pragmatic peace", I would still say Allah ya bashi zaman lafiya, but make no mistake, the government as effective as it may be is still and will be (at least for the next four years) undoubtedly illegitimate.

This is not because I am naive to politics but merely because a distincition has to be drawn at some point. we dont condone wrong because it was done by one of us. If my brother is wrong, He remains wrong and if he has wronged my enemy, he still remains wrong. that is what I was taught. The end does not justify the means, that is not the way, that is not the Islamic way. We cant build a sound society if we accept wrong where it is clearly wrong. We just cant.  Where is the fairness in that? Is not a better society what we seek?

Thats why I support Buhari's petition, simply because he reminds us of what this country ought to be. I know that he is highly unlikely to be successful even at our "fair" electoral tribunals. But by pushing it through the legal channel and challenging this, he stands for a lot more than merely defending his mandate. He stands to represent we who believe that in all situations, the right thing should be done always.

Is that too much to ask?

Clap clap clap.. the making of a statesman speaking... very sound arguments and very well put.

Allah ya saka da alheri malam Sheriff.
Even though we have been busy saying our mind
or rather opinion, a lot of things must be put into
consideration, especially after the election is over.

Before and during the election, all and sundry knew
quite alright that the then government of Ubanshegu
is bent by any means to hand over this government
to Yar'adua and there is no point fighting for it.
I can remember, i started a thread on the 2007 election
Election or War - because the way Ubanshegu took
the issue of Presidential seat is far beyond personal.
Political soothsayers have predicted either civil war
or Yar'adua and Buhari has been adequately informed.

If that is the case, and considering the clamour from
the north that power must shift, what is the waste of
time for?

Another issue i want us to consider also is; despite
this election was held in a fraudulent manner, i doubt
much if the Janar is going to get away with the required
percentage to earn him the number 1 seat.

Times without number, Yar'adua has publicly stated that
we are still in the learning process of democracy, so
instead of us wasting much time in trying to define
and interprete our laws, why dont we calm down and
prepare adequately for the upcoming 2011 election?

My last argument which has always been my argument
is that, in politics, party machinery is much more
important than candidacy.  No matter how popular you
might be, if the machineries of the party are not at
your disposal, you are bound to fail.  So did Janar,
he was only a candidate with no party machinery at
his disposal.  The party's decision is final.

DB, I cant disagree  with you more.  Your arguments are full of perforations. If they were a bucket, they will not hold water at all.
If gwamnatin OBJ is bent on handing the govt to 'yaradua, in a fraudlent way, that still doesnt mean that ppl should acquiesce to that. Why should there be no point in fighting it? Isnt that what democracy is all about? Politcal soothsayers have predicted either war or 'yar adua... That is the most preposterous thing I have heard in a long time. Who are these political pundits? OBJ cannot be that senile. I know I heard him say that this was  a do or die affair, but one cant literally translate it to mean civil war if they lose.

If as you write that the Janar would not be able to get away with the required percentage that wouldnt be such a problem in the long run because if he lost in a full and fair election, he would surely concede to the winner. So why cant we be allowed to hold a fair election and if he has to lose then fine, the point is that this RIGHT was denied not only to the General and Atiku, but also to the bulk of us Nigerian masses, who were not allowed to manifest our wishes. And since you are saying that what is the waste of time for? you forget that ppl's time and energy were wasted, by making them go to a cooked up, half baked parody of an election. OBJ should just have declared 'yar adua as the president without wasting our time, and govt money in rigging up an already decided election.

That we are still in the learning process of democracy... come on!!  'Yar adua and whoever are saying this, are just insulting the ppl's intellingence! How long does it take for a kid to enrol and finish  primary sch, how long secondary and  how long for university? Each of these stages is a learning process which is CONCLUDED at the end of it and for which one is deemed capable of going forward to the next stage. This means that the scholar has learned his lessons at each stage for him to be able to move forward and each of these stages takes less than the eight yrs that OBJ has been in power!  Suppose someone were to take the sum total of the yrs on spends at sch as the period of the learning process, i.e. from primary sch  to university, that would be 5yrs plus 6 yrs plus 4 yrs. A total of 15 yrs. If we take Nigeria's staggered democratic system, we have had as much time as that, starting from the year of independence. So what learning process are we talking about?  Nothing but greed for wealth and power  propels our political machinery and as long as they remain the yardstick for  yearning for office, nothing will ever change. This has nothing to do with any learning process. Its just the phrases used to hoodwink the stupefied masses.

We mustnt interprete our laws? because if we did, it maybe that the powers that be will be found to be on the wrong side of the law right? so just let sleeping dogs lie. That is what you are advocating? Where is the democracy in this?

You know something? to the devil with the party machinery. You have surely heard of independent candidates who have no parties to back them. Buhari having had the ppl's support solidly behind him, would not have needed munafikan ANPP su tsaya masa. They were just using him at any rate to begin with, because of his popularity with the masses. I wish he'd realized that much earlier.
Buhari doesnt need a party machinery behind him because if he leaves ANPP today, the bulk of the talakawa will vacate ANPP as well, myself included. Ni infact ma bana ANPP anymore, I thoroughly dislike the party. Nothing but a bunch of selfish self serving opportunists.

  Zakaran da Allah Ya nufa da chara ko ana muzuru ko ana shaho sai yayi, party or no party.  If the masses hadnt been intimidated not to come out and demonstrate in another orange revolution style kind of picketting, at least 'yar adua may probably not be the president today. Maybe not even Buhari, but at least it wouldnt be an unelected leader!

munki! munki! munki! we gonna fight it to the last!  :-X

What about Sheik's comment Malam Bash?

Islamically, Buhari Must Withdraw His Election Case - Gumi

Weekly Trust (Kaduna)

INTERVIEW
15 September 2007
Isa Sa'idu
Kaduna

Prominent Kaduna-based Islamic cleric, Dr. Ahmed Abubakar Gumi, in this interview, says going by Islamic strictures, General Buhari has no option but to drop his election petition against President Umaru Yar'Adua.

Weekly Trust: What informed your call on aggrieved politicians to withdraw their cases from the electoral tribunals given the widespread condemnation of the elections?


Gumi: To answer that question, I have to start by clarifying my position on the April elections. I want to say I am not ignorant of the fact that the elections were flawed in many areas and aspects.
This is not the first time I am saying this. I said a similar thing even before the elections through a press release which I issued in November 2006, five months before the elections. I made the press release to notify the public that from the conduct of the voters' registration, I have seen many flaws in which I concluded that the elections may not be free and fair. I came to the country (from Saudi Arabia) to observe the conduct of the elections myself. I have gone round and seen problems associated with the elections all along. I was not surprised with what I saw since the infrastructures for a credible elections are not on ground before the elections, therefore it would amount to self deceit for somebody to expect a house built on wrong foundation and such a house to last long or be strong.

Since all the parties have agreed with the weak foundation on which the elections lied on and consented that the INEC was capable of conducting an election, so it means they have consented to the weak foundation on which the election was built. They should therefore agree with the outcome of the election. Whoever and whichever party joined that election must agree with the outcome of that election. They know that the foundation was weak and yet went ahead to participate in the election. Many politicians and people like us have said the nation was not ready for the election but all those people that are crying now accepted and their parties that the elections will be credible. This is just like joining a car which has no good tires and its driver is drunk. What else do you expect more than an accident? We have to deal with whole issue in a moral way. They all agreed to join an election which has no solid foundation when they know that the election was not well planned to be credible.

WT: But the politicians, especially the prominent ones among them, have also made such observations before the elections.

Gumi: Then why do they join the elections? They have to bear the consequences. As Islamic scholars, we take the interest of the whole nation into consideration first. Parties are fighting for their interest. Individuals within the parties are fighting for theirs too. The interest of the nation is to have peace, unity and tranquility before we start talking about the ethics of democracy. Democracy, power shift or leadership are fiddlers to peace and stability. Therefore, we cannot compromise the peace and stability of the nation based on personal, party or group interest.I observed that most of the parties before the April elections were themselves not ready for the election, not only the INEC. Most of the parties did not send their polling agents to the polling units. Where the party agents are sent, their allowances were not paid. They don't have people to represent them in sensitive areas. In short, all the parties are deficient. How can we take somebody's negligence and compromise the unity and peace of this nation? This is why I advised the aggrieved candidates to withdraw their cases.

Already people were sworn in into offices what we should now do is to see that a credible electoral system is put in place so that the next election will be credible. Poverty alleviation, elimination of ignorance and diseases should also be our priority as a nation. We should put our energy and efforts to see that the country's problems are tackled so that we can develop. If we say we will fight the government or call for the cancellation of the elections, we can never have credible elections because the infrastructures are not there. The INEC has no money and credible personnel to conduct free and fair elections and most of the parties are weak. If another election is to be conducted, we will only end up in chaos.

WT: You have acknowledged that the elections were flawed. The politicians in the tribunals are agitating for justice. Are they not doing the right thing Islamically since Islam promotes justice?

Gumi: My decision to advice the aggrieved politicians to withdraw their court cases was based on two pillars. On the pure Islamic perspective, regardless of the way and manner in which somebody is sworn in to govern, that person must be obeyed. Islam has wisdom behind this. Islam looks at the interest of the nation and peace. Once a leader is given allegiance by some people, Islam demands that he should be obeyed. This is because if you attempt to remove him, his own supporters could cause break down of law and order or even sabotage the new administration. The Prophet (pbuh) was reported to have said, "One who dislikes a thing done by his leader should be patient over it. For anyone from the people who withdraws his obedience from the government, even to the extent of a hand-span and died in that condition, would die the death of one belonging to the days of ignorance (Jahiliyya)." Ideally as I said, the politicians should not have participated in the elections but they made a mistake to take part and a leader had emerged they should therefore bear the fruits of their mistakes. They agreed with rigging and the rigging has taken place.What I am saying is that let's forget the past and build a strong system that will not allow rigging of elections. Even the countries that we are copying democracy from, what they did was to build a system that will not allow rigging. Had it been their system allows rigging, they could have rigged their elections as we are doing here.

WT: Don't you think this position would aid election malpractices in the future?

Gumi: I gave you an Islamic perspective that if a cream of people in the society accepted and gave allegiance to a leader, he should be obeyed and I told you that the wisdom behind that is for peace and tranquility. All over the world politicians want to rig elections, what stops them from rigging is the infrastructure. The system gives them no room to rig. Let's make our system like that so that we can have the leaders who we want. But if we allow the system to continue like this rigging will continue. Even in America or England, if there is room for rigging their politicians will rig. No matter the preaching, we shouldn't deceive ourselves. Politicians always like to rig, what stops rigging is the system. This is why I said the solution to our problem is to build credible electoral infrastructures not nullifying faulty elections. Elections in this country had ever been faulty.


WT: Do you think the present administration is competent to build that credible electoral system given the way it came to power?

Gumi: I am very confident they can. If the warring parties join hands to develop the electoral reforms then they can together find solutions to our electoral problems. We need permanent polling units, permanent computerised voter register and in four years we can have that credible system. If that happens, the next elections from local governments to president will be free and fair.

WT: What happens if the aggrieved politicians refuse to withdraw their court cases?

Gumi: Islamically, once a cream of people has given allegiance to a leader it is forbidden to withdraw that allegiance. The Prophet said in a Hadith that, "You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a slave whose head looks like a raisin." In another Hadith he said, "The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, who invoke Allah's blessings upon you and you invoke His blessings upon them. And the worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you and whom you curse and who curse you. It was asked by those present, shouldn't we overthrow them with the help of the sword? He said: no as long as they establish prayer among you. If you then find anything detestable in them you should hate their administration, but do not withdraw yourselves from their obedience." By this if the tribunals nullified the elections, especially the presidential, since Nigeria is not an Islamic state, what the Muslims will do if such happens, we will go and participate in the elections but nobody should elect these two people-Buhari and Atiku. Islamically, they are incompetent to rule because any Muslim who opposes the teachings of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is incapable of being a leader. Anybody who is not ready to make sacrifice to his people and nation such a person is not capable to be the leader. If these two giants are not ready to step down for peace and tranquility in this nation, then they are not capable to be leaders. If there would be another election we will tell Muslims to shun them with all our heart. Anybody who follows them will follow them on the risk of losing his faith in Allah.

WT: The Islamic allegiance you are talking about, does it apply to a state like Nigeria which is said to be secular in nature?

Gumi: Somebody will say we are not an Islamic state, therefore, we shouldn't bring Islamic perspective to it. But the answer to this is Islam is based on those things that take care of the people's welfare. Islamic principles are based on facts that are natural irrespective of who is involved or his country. This is to help the society. The people we are talking about are Muslims therefore, Islamic principles are applicable to them. What we are saying is that the money that will be used in conducting another election can be used, with the cooperation of Buhari and Atiku, to build a credible electoral system that will not allow rigging in future elections. I am calling on the government to put time, money and credible people in the electoral reform. Let's work hand in hand to see that things are moving in the right directions. We cannot have development in commotion and chaos. I am appealing to the aggrieved politicians to step down their arms and work towards building a credible electoral system where we can elect the leaders of our choice. I want to call on the general public to please cooperate with the government and let's start building a country that we can be proud of. Let's build a country that will be free of corrupt leaders. We can achieve that through a strong and reliable electoral system that will enable us elect God fearing leaders.

I believe all these petitions and what have you are good for our growing and developing democracy in Nigeria, because if we don't voice our opposition and our voices, we will never have a True and Honest Democracy in the country. Everybody knew what the outcome of the election was going to be, but ppl still went out and voice their opinion through casting their votes.

sorry for that piece Dan Borno, i wasn't harsh. but the point is very clear, and i'm not disputing what malam said, let Buhari fight his (masses right ) to the last eve though, as i believe (deep in my heart) his not winning, but that's just the legal and democratic way. After that i don't want Buhari to say a single word ever! He was drag into politics by an organised conscipiracy Nigeria ever recorded in it's history, that's his fate and he just gonna live with that for the rest of his life. :'(

How on earth can someone continue fighting a battle he konws he will not win? Buhari is a fine gentleman, an upright and courageous soldier, but to me, he is not a complete democrat and should better remain an elder statesman guiding and counselling our current crop of leaders. His rigidity has always denied him the loyalty of his party chiefs and ultimately the Nigerian Presidency.
In our democracy, at least during "mai hanci kaman gajeren wando"s time, anything goes! It was the WILL of the Almighty that Yaradua becomes the President, and is so far making strides. Let us pray for him to have good health and last the four years mandate.....simple! ;D

For days, I haven't been following the happenings in the news. I don't know things haven gone to that peak--though I heard of the news that ANPP had withdrawn is petition at court. But what attract my attention is what DB quoted Gumi saying in the Daily Trust. That statement absolutely surprise me though I haven't gone through every line of the piece because am afraid of the time but still I grasp where it headed.

Personally, before the election commenced, I can boldly say I wasn't at Bukharo's side and neither am I now. But how these so-called northern elites, pro-govt mallams (like Gumi), his party ANPP and the rest are bluffing him, trying to convince or persuade him grudgingly to withdraw his petition at court.

Kai, do you know one surprising point? At first Bukhari announced that he won't take anything to court but his party said it would and convinced him also to do, but when Yar-Adua called for a unity govt and they answered him due to apparently worldly possession shamelessly came back saying bula-bula. What a paradox? What an unjust? What a shame? Gosh!!!!!!!!

Quote from: waduz on September 28, 2007, 10:42:21 AM
How on earth can someone continue fighting a battle he konws he will not win? Buhari is a fine gentleman, an upright and courageous soldier, but to me, he is not a complete democrat and should better remain an elder statesman guiding and counselling our current crop of leaders. His rigidity has always denied him the loyalty of his party chiefs and ultimately the Nigerian Presidency.In our democracy, at least during "mai hanci kaman gajeren wando"s time, anything goes! It was the WILL of the Almighty that Yaradua becomes the President, and is so far making strides. Let us pray for him to have good health and last the four years mandate.....simple! ;D

I agree with that. I don't think Buhari is made for nigerian politics. And Hajiya Husnaa, he needs  a party machinery to succeed. And I'm not sure where he's headed to next. Cos going by his antecedents, whatever marriage he eventually contrive with whatever party (not only ANPP) is bound to collapse sooner or later. That said, I believe he should continue to fight this illegal govt. that was borne fraudulently. If we continue to live under the illusion of "our democracy is still a baby", when is it going to grow? I tell you that assertion was just coined by a selfish, wicked, greedy and morally corrupt politicians in order to continue to do as they wish. So the general should fight on. Its his right; its our right. It's mighty myiopic for someone to say ai tun da mulki ya dawo arewa shikenan. Are we saying it is okay to commit a crime in the name of arewa? How does it even going to benefit the average northerner? I don't give a hoot wherther 'Yaradua will do well, can do well or means well. I always say the mere fact that he collude with OBJ to perpetrate that atrocity (ppl killed, maimed, properties burned) in the name of election means he's as selfish and greedy as OBJ.

Assalamu alaikum Brothers and Sisters.
BARKA DA SALLAH
First i pray that Allah S.W.T grant us all our wishes and include us amongst those whom he has forgiven in this great month of ramadan.

Now that being said, I find it rather ubsurd to think that the General should drop it and get a move on as some might say.... So hypothetically he drops his petition.... now what? Who gets to fight this organized crime we call a government, Atiku? hahahahahaha. or or or better yet E  EFU CEE CEE (EFCC)?

You are welcome Mehmoud, even though you dont
mind to say hello and pay respect to the members
you met in this forum, neither did you introduce
yourself to us as a brother in this forum.  I advice
you do so in the welcome board.

Nevertheless, you are welcome once again to Kline,
and from all indication, you love politics, that is why
your first post in kline is directed at Nigerian politics.

No matter how criminal you termed this government
it is still legal in the eyes of the law.

As to who will fight for democracy? I believe, democracy
has achieved a high score card in Nigeria if compared
to the time it was adopted as a system.

We are all soldiers of democracy, and we will continue
fighting.

Abu Huraira is the source of a large chunk of the authentic hadith we use today. Once after relating a hadith, a student asked him, what he thought the meaning of the hadith was and he said, his gift is to memorise the hadith. Thus for additional explanations, go to Ibn Abbas, or Ibn Mas'ud. His area is hadith, he knows it well and would stand as an authority in that field, beyond that field, regardless of interest, he would not claim to be an authority but would gladly refer it to those who know better. That is fairness, that is humility, that is true guidance and that is the way any society should be built. Hence, not every tom, dick and Harry is appointed a judge, or a surgeon.

(Forgive me for dragging this) My point quite frankly is Malam Gumi should learn politics and governance before he decides to delve into it, if not he stands to loose the high level respect people like us still have for him. Over time, and through his utterances he has lost a significant amount, he should learn to be wiser.

That said. I completely without reservation disagree with him about the Buhari issue. I am frankly shocked he could even say such.

Malam says:
"Since all the parties have agreed with the weak foundation on which the elections lied on and consented that the INEC was capable of conducting an election, so it means they have consented to the weak foundation on which the election was built. They should therefore agree with the outcome of the election. Whoever and whichever party joined that election must agree with the outcome of that election. They know that the foundation was weak and yet went ahead to participate in the election. Many politicians and people like us have said the nation was not ready for the election but all those people that are crying now accepted and their parties that the elections will be credible. This is just like joining a car which has no good tires and its driver is drunk. What else do you expect more than an accident? We have to deal with whole issue in a moral way. They all agreed to join an election which has no solid foundation when they know that the election was not well planned to be credible".

This analogy is completely flawed and rather disturbing considering,
1.   If they had boycotted the election, on what basis could they possibly challenge the ruling in court? Afterall they were not party to the elections in the first place and would legally have a very weak case.

2.   The same situation occurred in 2003 and yet uptil 2006, malam never stopped condemning Obasanjo and the "illegitimacy that surrounded his election" frequently saying in his sermons that we have been cheated and it is because we as Muslims are "asleep".

3.   Boycotting the election would have completely been out of the question simply because while the voter's registration was flawed, the rigging and the illegality most people are complaining about occurred not via the voters register, but on actions on the election day itself and through the subsequent collations. Actions, which up until the election did not physically take place, could not be proven and therefore would have formed a weak basis from which to pose any subsequent legal challenges. Therefore if they had withdrawn, simply on that basis, no legal case.

4.   If the nation was not ready for the election, what did you suggest to make the nation ready for the election? Also, what does the issue of you complaining about the readiness have to do with whether or not they should withdraw? Yes the country may not have been ready but I cant help but wonder what Malam would have said if the election was won by a Christian Igbo leader from Anambra? Haba Malam, musulinci babu double standards, you more than anyone else should know that. Or is it because Yar'adua is someone he knows personally? I can't help but wonder.

Malam then continues in his unique form of wisdom,

"Gumi: My decision to advice the aggrieved politicians to withdraw their court cases was based on two pillars. On the pure Islamic perspective, regardless of the way and manner in which somebody is sworn in to govern, that person must be obeyed. Islam has wisdom behind this. Islam looks at the interest of the nation and peace. Once a leader is given allegiance by some people, Islam demands that he should be obeyed. This is because if you attempt to remove him, his own supporters could cause break down of law and order or even sabotage the new administration. The Prophet (pbuh) was reported to have said, "One who dislikes a thing done by his leader should be patient over it. For anyone from the people who withdraws his obedience from the government, even to the extent of a hand-span and died in that condition, would die the death of one belonging to the days of ignorance (Jahiliyya)." Ideally as I said, the politicians should not have participated in the elections but they made a mistake to take part and a leader had emerged they should therefore bear the fruits of their mistakes. They agreed with rigging and the rigging has taken place.What I am saying is that let's forget the past and build a strong system that will not allow rigging of elections. Even the countries that we are copying democracy from, what they did was to build a system that will not allow rigging. Had it been their system allows rigging, they could have rigged their elections as we are doing here."


A Terrible explanation, because he shows complete ignorance of the electoral process and crucially, of the very bedrock on which societies are built. Sadly, I have to say that he also does not understand leadership, after all that is what we are protecting here, leadership not the person in the position.

The Laws of any country, society or people is the supreme leader and pushes that any grievances be challenged through appropriate channels, Buhari did not call for wanton destruction of property, neither did he call for civil war, or a coup or for civil disobedience. Quite simply he resorted to seek redress from the only institution which supercedes the office of the president, and can therefore clarify his position.

Malam fails to understand that in any society, Islamic or otherwise, the rule of law that governs the values and agreed manner of living, supersedes the position of the leader. Therefore the real leader is not the president which we elect, but those laws under which we live and have agreed to live. That's why we seek redress if we feel wronged. The law as the leader is the final arbiter, and in all cases, Our arbiter has asked us to come to him if we feel wronged, isn't that so?

Thus, by challenging this election, at the courts, Buhari is merely referring the case to the final leader in such issues, and therefore upholding the Islamic tenets Malam is clearly attempting to espouse. That's why Allah says that we should obey our leaders except where they transgress His laws, because in all cases, the laws are supreme. Malam I'm sorry, but you clearly misunderstand societal justice, hierarchy and sociology. It is sad that as Muslims we choose to be subjective in implanting our values and we choose to desecrate that which is sacred, I thought it was an attitude of we who know little, but apparently we have an eminent scholar amongst us, toh Malam, Allah ya gyara.

Malam continues

"Gumi: Islamically, once a cream of people has given allegiance to a leader it is forbidden to withdraw that allegiance. The Prophet said in a Hadith that, "You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a slave whose head looks like a raisin." In another Hadith he said, "The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, who invoke Allah's blessings upon you and you invoke His blessings upon them. And the worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you and whom you curse and who curse you. It was asked by those present, shouldn't we overthrow them with the help of the sword? He said: no as long as they establish prayer among you. If you then find anything detestable in them you should hate their administration, but do not withdraw yourselves from their obedience."


I agree whole heartedly with this, but Malam fails to see that in that scenario (in the hadith), the only other option clearly available was to fight the leaders and induce chaos, which the Prophet (S.A.W) in his desire to uphold piece and societal stability, was very eager to prevent. This case is different, because a medium has been provided to remedy the situation in peace. Our leader, the law under which we live has given us a way out, shouldn't we take it? If someone steals your property and you don't want to fight him, but you can report him to the law as a third party to take it back, shouldn't you? Haba Malam.

Islam pushes for societal harmony, because without harmony you cannot enjoy practicing Islam, but I cringe when people justify anything arbitrarily. If people fight in Nigeria today, it would be Yar'adua's supporters who know without a doubt that they don't deserve the mandate and therefore are afraid of the possible repercussions of annulment. Buhari is not fighting, he is merely asking the supreme leader of our country, our laws, to determine whether or not he was wronged. And as he demonstrated through the last round of court battles, if the supreme leader, the law says no, he would gladly accept.

Therefore what are we afraid of? Dan Borno, it is neither our money nor our time which Buhari is fighting with, he merely asks us to open our eyes to one plain truth, "that any society in which people do as they please and not governed by well defined and clearly followed rules, is a lawless society, and no lawless society ever prospers"

A parting example for us to ponder, Ali Ibn Abi talib when he was Amir on a journey lost a piece of cloth, and while retracing his steps, found the cloth on a Jewish man. He greeted the man and asked for his cloth back, but the man said it was his and refused to give it back. They then proceeded to a judge to resolve the issue. Ali was asked to produce a witness, and he asked for his son Husein (A.S) as it was he who gave him the cloth, the judge said no as it is not allowed for a son to be a witness for his father (since his fairness cannot be guaranteed) and without witnesses, the leader of the Muslims lost his case and the jew was awarded custody of the cloth. The jew then filled with admiration of the social justice of Islam confessed that indeed the cloth belonged to Ali and he returned it. He then said never before has he seen such justice where he, a simple jew, won a case against the powerful Amirul Mu'mineen and he embraced Islam.

If it is power and leadership Malam seeks for Islam and muslims, you cannot get it except through Allah. To go through Allah is to do the right thing always; and in all cases, the right thing is to be just and fair, what are we afraid of?

It may seem surprising, but I am not a Buhari supporter, and while I was away during the last election and therefore did not vote, I would not have voted Buhari, but rather Yar'adua. But that is beside the point. Quite simply, in pursuing truth and fairness, I have no allegiances. I merely seek, that the right thing be done. That is my way.

Well said Alhaji Sheriff, however, your thesis is
too much for small almajiri like me to digest so
easily.

I have been able to grab a little of it and came
to conclusion that let us just pray, this govt.
has already came to stay, Allah ya taya shi
riko. AMin.

JUST FOR UPDATE

Appeal Court merges Atiku's, Buhari's petitions
By Tobi Soniyi, Abuja
The Punch Newspaper: Wednesday, 17 Oct 2007

The Presidential Election Tribunal on Tuesday merged the petitions of the presidential candidate of the All Nigeria Peoples Party, Maj-Gen. Muhammadu Buhari (rtd.), and his Action Congress counterpart, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar.

The Chairman of the tribunal, Justice James Ogebe, said the consolidation of the petitions was to save time and cost to the parties and the country.

No fewer than 747 witnesses will testify during the hearing of the petitions which begins formally on Wednesday(today). The hearing will last three months.

Ogebe, who relied on Section 46 of the Electoral Act 2006 in merging the petitions, said all the witnesses must be called within one month.

The Section gives the tribunal the power to consolidate two or more petitions if it so wishes.

The tribunal chairman also told all the parties to restrict themselves to the number of witnesses already listed because the tribunal would not allow fresh application to bring additional ones.

At Tuesday's sitting, Buhari's lawyer, Chief Mike Ahamba (SAN), told the tribunal that he had 150 witnesses and that he wished to bring additional 50.

Ahamba said it would take him about a month to conclude his evidence.

On his part, Abubakar, a former vice-president, who was absent in court, said in a statement that he would call 204 witnesses and that he would require 45 days to exhaust evidence.

His supporters came in hundreds.

President Umaru Yar'Adua and the Vice-President, Dr. Goodluck Jonathan, informed the tribunal that a month would be sufficient for them to put across the evidence of their 174 witnesses.

The Independent National Electoral Commission, represented by Chief Amaechi Nwaiwu (SAN), said it had 215 witnesses to call and that it would require 45 days to examine them.

Buhari and Abubakar are seeking the invalidation of the April 21 presidential election on the grounds of irregularities.

The army and the police which are also respondents in the petition said that they had four witnesses to call.

The ANPP had on August 21, 2007 prayed that the petitions by Buhari, Abubakar, and the All Progressives Grand Alliance presidential candidate, Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu be merged by the tribunal.

The party had argued through its lawyer, Chief Chimezie Ikeazor (SAN), that the consolidation of the petitions would save cost, time, and energy.

It suggested that any of the petitions found to be embracing should be heard as a test case.

The party added that whatever decision the tribunal entered in the test case would be binding on other petitioners.

The ANPP, has however, withdrawn its petition before the tribunal. It cited its involvement in the Yar'Adua administration and differences with Buhari as reason.

The petition by Odumegwu-Ojukwu was recently struck out by the tribunal on grounds that it lacked merit.


We are still monitoring the movements of pro
democracy.

I heard that the General has brought a lot of evidence
in BAGCO SUPER SACKS to support his evidence. 
Good luck but take it easy  8)

Dan-Barno, ba kada dama, wallahi.

Sincerely speaking I won't say a word on that. I don't like him to win but again I always pray; Allah ya ba mai gaskiya nasara. Wish I hadn't sound paradoxical as for no body can directly say that Gen. Buhari is the maigaskiyar in spite of the fact that they do call him Maigaskiya.

Sarkin Karatu speak out your voice very well,
this name "Maigaskiya" came later after he
retired from military.  Wace gaskiya yake da ita?
Ba tare da an damka masa amana ba tayaya
zamu san cewa yana da gaskiya. 

Shima ai Coup yayi, illegal + Illegal = Illegality
amma yanzu shine champion of democracy
Allah save us.

Dan-Barno kenan, I don't know why you despise that Fulani man like this. Ko ya taba kama maka awaki  during his regime as its his main campaign I heard wai for he wanted to clean Nigerian enviroment?
Uh, I forget with WAI. :o

Amen to your prayer.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 25, 2007, 06:20:59 PM
Sarkin Karatu speak out your voice very well,
this name "Maigaskiya" came later after he
retired from military.  Wace gaskiya yake da ita?
Ba tare da an damka masa amana ba tayaya
zamu san cewa yana da gaskiya. 

Shima ai Coup yayi, illegal + Illegal = Illegality
amma yanzu shine champion of democracy
Allah save us.

Dan Borno da alama dai yadda Muhsin said ne.... Janar ya tabo maka awaki lokacin da yake kan mulki  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You seem to dislike him and its so obvious...a a ... dont deny it... its showing through like a malignant cancer.

You know something, in the Nigerian political arena, when we talk of gaskiya and rashin ta, we are doing so in the relative, but not in the absolute sense of it. You posited that the so called title maigaskiya was affixed to the janar after he left the army. But that is with good reason. All 'ya'yan Adam na zamanin nan and a few zamani da suka shige, tara suke (wa'yansu ma takwas ko bakwai ko shida, koma zero), basu cika goma ba; therefore if you take two ppl, for example, gaskiyar  mutum na  daya is only comparable to gaskiyar  mutumin na biyu. Wanda ka auna ka ga yafi adalci is the one that u title as mai gaskiya. Not because the other person lacks honesty, but because he doesnt exercise his responsibility of executing gaskiya as he should.

The janar has done things over time and space which ppl have taken for granted and which also granted, were nothing to talk about at the time of their execution because they all formed a part of his daily responsibilities. Their effects on the ppl were probably long term in the long run and as they were localized events, only those ppl within the circumference of his activities would feel the impact. I am referring to his various administrative appointments prior to his becoming head of state.

Then he became president by snatching the government from the civilians and he stood stigmatized of illegally forming a goveernment and many people are still keen at reminding others of that. But wait a minute! If truth be really told, how genuinely legal was the second Shagari administration? Let us say that the first administration in 1979 was bona fide in the cleanliness of the election process. Could we really be so sure that the 1983 election was rig proof and that Shagari and the NPN came to power legally the second time?  I don't think so, because it has become some kind of conventional wisdom in African politics at least, that the ruling party always gets re elected a second time and in the case of a third time, the protégé of the leader always becomes heir apparent and eventually inherits the party and government. How 'purely by chance' is this possible if the electoral process was allowed to work independently of any external manipulations? Not Possible!!
Therefore if we are to accuse the janar of coming to power illegally, we must also keep in mind that the civilian regime he toppled was also questionable in its validity as the people's government of choice. So the only difference in terms of validity between the government of janar Buhari and the government  of Shagari was in the mode of power acquisition. Buhari's was a straight forward honest to God open air coup, using the threat of the gun, while Shagari's was a manipulative, covert, under the ground, in the dead of the night kind of muscling out the opposition using the might of the presidential seat.

The janar came to power because he was motivated by selfless interest. He wanted the betterment of Nigeria and Nigerians. It was a time when there was a slump in the world economy. The oil heydays of the 70s had given way to the oil glut of the 80s. Nigerians were used to enjoying a forex rate of practically one naira and a bit to one sterling pound and Nigerians being Nigerians, have abused that priviledge with import substitution scams, with the result that the value of the Naira which was pegged to the value of the barrel of crude, depreciated to 2.5 Naira to the Sterling pound (horror of horrors!), and all of a sudden, Nigerians were told to tighten their belts and face up to the reality of economic hardships.  In an atmosphere of growing discontent, especially after Umaru Dikko's famous statement that he wouldn't know that poverty existed in Nigeria, until he saw people rummaging through dustbins and rubbish tips in search of food (how prophetic his words turned out!), the janar and Idiagbon (Allah Ya jikan sa) took over by hook or by crook.

The method of damage control that Buhari and Idiagbon used to whip Nigeria into shape was considered by many people as extreme. What they conveniently refused to acknowledge was that desperate times called for desperate measures. It is like the metaphor of getting back into shape that I used, just now. An overweight person, obviously has a hard time at the gym and in controlling his eating habits and managing a healthy diet regime. It is not easy, or pleasant or enjoyable. It is an extreme chore and one has to get on with it. The results are fabulous though! Another anology is that if one was seriously sick, and required hospitalization, not a single day passes without his or her being poked with a needle three or four times a day. These are all painful processes, but we get rid of pain with bitter medication. No pain, no gain. Thus everything goes in life.

So when B and I took over, they were drastic in their medical applications for the Nigerian malaises: cin hanci da rashawa, rashin bin doka, latti wurin aiki, boye kayan masarufi and forcing artificial scarcity. They made late comers to work, leap frog. They raided stores and ware houses and brought out hoarded grains and distributed them to the masses. They raided kasuwanni,  SWAT style and forced vendors to lower the prices of goods in the markets. Because of their policy of ba sani ba sabo, some very prominent and wealthy but thoroughly corrupt individuals both in and out of government, found themselves incarcerated a gidajen maza. Someone was even abducted commando style, from overseas to come and face justice but unfortunately the abduction was thwarted by foreign immigrations.  Thus they waged war against indiscipline. These crash programs soon began to yield dividends and Nigerians began to become disciplined individuals! Even the value of the naira began to appreciate through judicious economic planning.
Then poof!!!  Like lightening, or a magician's vanishing trick, they were gone, muscled out by that gang of two of the most infamous leaders Nigeria has ever had, IBB and the late Sani Abacha (Allah Ya Gafarta masa). That was when things began to spiral out of control. SAP appeared without the blessing of the Nigerian populace and binary eating schedules of daily meals made their debuts in the lives of many Nigerians for the first time: 101,001 100, 010 110 or 011. The lucky ones were the ones with the 110 and 011 daily eating regimes. Thus Nigerians inched closer to the prophecy of scrounging from rubbish tips.

Then people began to remember the days when they were made to leap frog with something akin to nostalgia... those were the good days! All one was made to do was leap frog and obey the law. There had been a slight famine - what ppl termed Buharia at the time - but that was due to ENSO ( EL Nino Southern Oscillation)  and the cycle of decadal droughts that seemed to be a phenomenon of the African climatic regime. It had nothing to do with any economic impositions on the ppl by the Buhari government, and I wonder how many people nowadays even remember that there was a time when there was some thing called Buharia then? This was because the impact of the Buharia was light and shortlived.

Well anyway, all of a sudden people began to realize that life was better under the Buhari banner than under the IBB banner. Corruption gained new heights, quasi respect and a new name viz 'Albarkar Gwamnati'! (hahahaha)! All of a sudden it was cool to be a soldier and girls dreamed of marrying soldiers (of course from the Colonel upwards, never the down trodden 'kurtu' or the loudmouthed sergeant)! Then IBB's nemesis made its appearance in the figure of the late Moshood Abiola (RIP), and IBB had to retire with what grace he could muster and give the reins of power permanently to Abacha.
Now I for my part have always liked General Abacha. I think unlike IBB, he wasn't in the long run motivated by self interest like IBB was. In his own way, Abacha genuinely wanted the good of Nigeria. On the other hand, he had a lot of hinderances, like his family for one, of whose excesses, he seemed unable to control. That was something the noted Maradona of Nigerian politics had the upper hand over. He kept his family well out of political affairs, with the exception of his wife, who was only in the periphery of affairs anyway, with her Better Life for Rural Women camouflage. Abacha also lived in grand isolation from what was happening generally in the country. I fault his advisors and councillors for that. That is why the Hausa people  say 'ba a mugun sarki sai dai mugun bafade'

Abacha genuinely wanted the good of Nigeria, even if he went about it in a  gauche manner. One positive thing he did was to recognize the sterling qualities of Buhari and lasso him in to his cabinet as Chairman of  PTF and give him sole independence in the running of that body.  PTF gave Buhari another chance to make an impact nationally. He made such a good job of PTF that even today, ppl are still feeling the positive effects of it. Granted that some people when told about how well PTF was handled still like to point out that millions were embezzled.
True millions may have been embezzled, BUT one cannot say it was Buhari that embezzled the millions. Two, there was no way, Buhari could handle all projects without delegating responsibilities to others and PTF would never have worked without team effort. Therefore Buhari cannot be blamed for the short comings of others. Finally, despite embezzlements and siphonings of cash, PTF still worked, which meant that there must have been checks and balances put in place despite everything, and that Buhari must have led by example and integrity for PTF to have turned out as a great and lasting national achievement.

Earlier on I was discussing the relativity of gaskiya. Now when all is said and done and exhibited  for all to see, and if truth should truly be told, there hasn't been a man for whom one can say that he tried and achieved something concrete which bettered the lives of Nigerians nationally and really well within the last twenty plus odd yrs or so as Buhari has done. And let's face it, good things cannot be achieved through rashin gaskiya. That Mallam Kam Bornoye, is why, the adage mai gaskiya has been stuck on the person of Buhari.

One last thing about the legality or illegality of Nigerian democratic dispensations, Kai yanzu Kam Bornoye, you are all for the 'Yar adua government, which is the reason why you keep harassing the poor janar here online. But the greatest irony, the mother of all ironies, the irony to beat all ironies is this: that 'Yar adua's government is the most transparently, crystal clearly,  brazenly, unashamedly unelected government that ever disgracefully forced its way into power through massive vote rigging and underground shenanigans. Yet its cohorts go around mouthing 'Yin Allah' ko 'Nadin Allah' while  Allah Baya tare da rashin gaskiya, ko maras gaskiya and you know it as well as the next man, yet you insist on harpooning Buhari's legitimacy. Isn't this a case of a sooty pot calling a shining kettle black?

 ;D   ;D    ;D   ;D    ;D   somebody help me please
so all this your long silence you are busy preparing
in defence of the Janar - good to hear all you wrote.

However, for the sake that I am hosting the General
in Maiduguri right now (Friday & Saturday) I will keep
mute, until he left Maiduguri safely before I start my
comment.

To!!! mu kanana sai dai muce Allah shi kyauta kawai.

Hajiya Husna gaskiya ina tafa maki (everyone give her a round of applaud).
Na karanta daga A har Z gaskiya you've said it all, i can see how this has taken
a long time to write up regarding a post you made early,but good work.  ;)

Quote from: amira on October 27, 2007, 10:19:30 PM
Hajiya Husna gaskiya ina tafa maki (everyone give her a round of applaud).
Na karanta daga A har Z gaskiya you've said it all, i can see how this has taken
a long time to write up regarding a post you made early,but good work.  ;)

Hmmmm toooo!!
Gaskiya kuna kwada Aunty fa sosai. Amma dai Allah ya kara mata karfin gwaiwa sosai. Aunty... :)

Quote from: amira on October 27, 2007, 10:19:30 PM
Hajiya Husna gaskiya ina tafa maki (everyone give her a round of applaud).
Na karanta daga A har Z gaskiya you've said it all, i can see how this has taken
a long time to write up regarding a post you made early,but good work.  ;)

Taking a bow... ;D
thank u thank u thank u, Amira. Kina kwada ni yadda BJG yaje cewa!hehehehe!

Quote from: Dan BornoI am hosting the General in Maiduguri right now (Friday & Saturday) I will keep
mute, until he left Maiduguri safely before I start my comment.

DB a isar mun da gaisuwa wajen janar... ni shine gwanina to borrow that phrase daga 'yan bbc.
Yanzu kuma tunda ya tafi, u are free to comment  ;D

Quote from: BJGGaskiya kuna kwada Aunty fa sosai.

Allah Ja zamaninka BJG.  ;D  Sai dai kurum kai hakuri da Ikon Allah!!!!

 [/quote]Allah Ja zamaninka BJG.  ;D  Sai dai kurum kai hakuri da Ikon Allah!!!![/quote]

Lallai you are right Aunty!!!! Kuma kema Allah yaja zamaninki, ai har nayi hakuri da ikon Allah'n :)

Janar kuma, we are together in sha Allah!!!!

Quote from: HUSNAA on October 28, 2007, 08:02:38 PM

Quote from: amira on October 27, 2007, 10:19:30 PM
Hajiya Husna gaskiya ina tafa maki (everyone give her a round of applaud).
Na karanta daga A har Z gaskiya you've said it all, i can see how this has taken
a long time to write up regarding a post you made early,but good work.  ;)

Taking a bow... ;D
thank u thank u thank u, Amira. Kina kwada ni yadda BJG yaje cewa!hehehehe!

Yo to jama'a ai wannan maganar gaskiya ce, wa zai ki ta???
Hajiya you've supported your piece with evidences, to me kuma ya rage.

Quote from: amira on October 29, 2007, 03:47:27 PM

Quote from: amira on October 27, 2007, 10:19:30 PM

Yo to jama'a ai wannan maganar gaskiya ce, wa zai ki ta???
Hajiya you've supported your piece with evidences, to me kuma ya rage.

Kuma kema maganarki gaskiya ce. Gaskiya kina burgeni more than how/what you are expected, because of yadda kike karfafawa Aunty na (Huznaa) gwiwa.
Allah ya taimaki mai taimako dan'uwansa.

Ni dai ina ga jamaar Janar suna son haukatashi. To, in ba haka ba, ina maigirma kamarshi zai dauki jakakkuna har sha shida na takardu zuwa kotu? Haba! ai abin da ban takaici......Gara dai ya barwa kaninshi ya ci gaba in yaso Janar ya dinga sashi a hanya. :(

Quote from: HUSNAA on October 28, 2007, 08:02:38 PM
DB a isar mun da gaisuwa wajen janar... ni shine gwanina to borrow that phrase daga 'yan bbc. Yanzu kuma tunda ya tafi, u are free to comment  ;D

Alhamdu Lillahi, we have hosted the Old Janar
in a most dignified manner as is supposed to
be.

Do you know what the Janar said while reporters
are asking him some questions about the on going
case at the tribunal/court?  He said that we should
just hold on, he has confidence in the nigerian
judicial system and he will soon be declared the
President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Ni kam a nan na tuntsure da dariya, ina ganin ya
fara tabuwa kadan, he is highly intoxicated about
this mulkin Nigeria.

Let the truth be told, sentiments aside, Buhari was
supposed to be elected since 2003 and not 2007, he
has sold ANPP cheaply and we are now very ready to
to expell him from the party so that he doesnt sabotage
our efforts come 2011 when we are going to present
to the Nigerians an all-embraced leader and visionary.

Aunty Husnaa, i have gone through your lengthy write
about about the General, I am highly flabagasted with
how you come to such a conclusion.  Ko dashike, Amira
couldnt hide her feelings, I also joined her in giving you
a round of applause.

Lol DB.
janar ya sai da ANPP cheaply ko dai ANPP tayi amfani da janar for its own ends? Don Allah a rika sara an duban bakin gatari! Duk nan munsan a election din 2003, ANPP RODE on the back of the janar to get whatever it was that it got. It hadnt reckoned with the heavy election rigging din da PDP za tayi ne. ANPP turned her back on the janar when he didnt win, which was not his fault. Kuma da yake duk yawancin manyan ANPP din munafukai ne tsantsa, ba wai suna son su yi wa jamaa aiki bane, shi yasa, su ka ki mara ma janar din baya, come hell and high water.
Tir! Me a keyi da ANPP? ba gara in je in shiga PDP ba? a kalla na san abin da na taka! Kuma ma in any case, duk da halayen yan PDP na magudi, ban tsamman za suyi humiliating Buhari ba yadda ANPP tayi, inda yana cikin party din, kuma da ace PDP ce take matsayin ANPP and vice versa, but with the same ppl within each party except the janar.

Quote from: HUSNAA on November 01, 2007, 12:17:06 AM
Lol DB.
janar ya sai da ANPP cheaply ko dai ANPP tayi amfani da janar for its own ends? Don Allah a rika sara an duban bakin gatari! Duk nan munsan a election din 2003, ANPP RODE on the back of the janar to get whatever it was that it got. It hadnt reckoned with the heavy election rigging din da PDP za tayi ne. ANPP turned her back on the janar when he didnt win, which was not his fault. Kuma da yake duk yawancin manyan ANPP din munafukai ne tsantsa, ba wai suna son su yi wa jamaa aiki bane, shi yasa, su ka ki mara ma janar din baya, come hell and high water.
Tir! Me a keyi da ANPP? ba gara in je in shiga PDP ba? a kalla na san abin da na taka! Kuma ma in any case, duk da halayen yan PDP na magudi, ban tsamman za suyi humiliating Buhari ba yadda ANPP tayi, inda yana cikin party din, kuma da ace PDP ce take matsayin ANPP and vice versa, but with the same ppl within each party except the janar.

Aunty!!

As i always said, maganarki dutsi wallahi, most of ANPP ppl munafukai ne, kuma basa son gaskiya da rikon amana.
Allah ya mana jagora.

I dont think ANPP politicians munafukai ne... they are merely people (products of our very own society) who would do what it takes to achieve their ends (ethical or otherwise). Unfortunately, whether we agree with them or not (and I surely dont), that is politics. On the plus side, this system works where their aims correlate with the general will of the people and an ardent desire to make things right and build a sound society. Sadly, that is not our case, and ultimately for their actions (or inactions), Nigeria is the looser..

Bt ultimately, any politician should have seen this coming, hence I have no simpathy for Buhari in this regard, he needs to be wiser in the way politics and people who seek (or have power) generally work..bt I still support without the slightest flicker, his quest for the truth and justice.

Quote from: sheriff 05 on November 03, 2007, 05:25:56 PM
I dont think ANPP politicians munafukai ne... they are merely people (products of our very own society) who would do what it takes to achieve their ends (ethical or otherwise). Unfortunately, whether we agree with them or not (and I surely dont), that is politics. On the plus side, this system works where their aims correlate with the general will of the people and an ardent desire to make things right and build a sound society. Sadly, that is not our case, and ultimately for their actions (or inactions), Nigeria is the looser..

Bt ultimately, any politician should have seen this coming, hence I have no simpathy for Buhari in this regard, he needs to be wiser in the way politics and people who seek (or have power) generally work..bt I still support without the slightest flicker, his quest for the truth and justice.

In mutum yayi aikin munafunci even if it is because he knows no other way to behave, he is still termed a munafiki. You can make excuses for his behavior and  say that he didnt know what he was doing or how to react in any other manner, but his actions still qualify him as a munafiki. Then talk less of these politicians who as u say are out to  achieve their own ends by hook or by crook. This infact makes them worse than munafukai after being munafukai. It makes them into deceitful liars.
Why also is it that ppl tend to sit back and take a defeatist attitude and say that is politics? Arent the actions of the politicians changeable? Cant we operate a political system that is at least 90% transparent and where u can get the politicians to act with some degree of honesty?
and why is buhari being castigated for trying to be honest? When the ppl turned their backs on him for insisting on what is right, why do we always side with the unscrupulous side? Is it that we are so desensitized to truthfulness that we dont like it when ppl insist on it?

QuoteIn mutum yayi aikin munafunci even if it is because he knows no other way to behave, he is still termed a munafiki. You can make excuses for his behavior and  say that he didnt know what he was doing or how to react in any other manner, but his actions still qualify him as a munafiki. Then talk less of these politicians who as u say are out to  achieve their own ends by hook or by crook. This infact makes them worse than munafukai after being munafukai. It makes them into deceitful liars.
Why also is it that ppl tend to sit back and take a defeatist attitude and say that is politics? Arent the actions of the politicians changeable? Cant we operate a political system that is at least 90% transparent and where u can get the politicians to act with some degree of honesty?
and why is buhari being castigated for trying to be honest? When the ppl turned their backs on him for insisting on what is right, why do we always side with the unscrupulous side? Is it that we are so desensitized to truthfulness that we dont like it when ppl insist on it?

Wallahi aunty Husnaa, I admire your fadar gaskiya.
My salute! ;D

we do not side with the unscrupoulus side, far from that, neither do we make excuses for such actions. As i have said and continue to say Hajia Husna, I stand with Buhari wholeheartedly in his quest for truth and justice, n i make no compromises in this regard, as i truely believe that no society can be built on anything otherwise.. AND THAT OUR FUTURE LIES IN BUILDING A SOCIETY WHERE EVERY ONE FEELS HE CAN RECIEVE HIS DUE, THROUGH THE APROPRIATE MEDIUM.

However, people by nature are not entirely inclined towards such truthful tendencies. people always seek ways to get ahead sometimes at the detriment of others, unfortunately that is the sad side of human nature. That is exactly what Buhari has been exposed to, and sadly has failed to learn.

Do we support those who do "unethical things to get ahead? of course not, however I merely point out that as a politician that is THE FIRST TOPIC ON THE SYLLABUS OF POLITICS 101. the very basic elementary lessons of politics, teaches that people will attempt to use you as best they can and therefore even if your intentions are good, beware and learn fast.. unfortunately even after twice, being exposed, he still hasnt learnt.. that worries me...

We don't have anything to say a wannan maganar manyan. Because this issue is mostly for politicians da kuma manyan mutane, therefore, we are to read and learnt a lesson from it, thank you all.

Haba Sankiran Aunty Husnaa  ;D kana son kace baka
yi zabe bane in 2003 and 2007 respectively?  The issue
here is not only for politicians but for all to analyse
what comes of Buhari after the 2003 and 2007 elections.

The argument(s) Sheriff was trying to highlight to all
is that in politics, there are ethics as in every system
and it goes with the people of that particular area, for
you to champion in this aspect you MUST conform to
this ethics and principles guiding it.  However, in the
case of the Janar, he is trying all his best to inculcate
or rather introduce a new system which will surely take
him 50 - 100 years before he triumphs.

Aunty Husnaa, let me be frank with you, I have been an
ardent supporter of the Janar before now, this can be
proved from our previous discourse(s) before the 2007
election, even at the KAFA HOTUNA thread, I think I
have posted so many Janar's pictures, while Ete was trying
to show him in bad light.  Amma, the popular mandate
of the generality of people should be followed, and this has
been shown by the results of the 2003 and 2007 election.

I also agree when people argue that the elections were
mared with fraud, political thuggery, executive high handedness
and political arithmetic (with respect to Late Chuba Okadigbo)
but that is what politics is all about.  Two candidates pursuing
one position - you just have to play the game by the rules.

Let me tell you why the Janar will always have trouble with so
many politicians.  An incidence happens just some weeks to the
election of 2007 when EFCC were busy relisting the names of
indicted candidates.  EFCC raided the house of the ANPP Secretary
and detained him briefly for offences of extortion of money blah blah,
when Buhari heard of the case, instead of him to back to secretary
as they are in a period no one will want his Party at the head to
have any problems of break up, went ahead and raised a motion
that since the Secretary is involved in this type of criminal act
he most be relieved of his position immediately, infact he even
called the EFCC to arrest the party's secretary. 

You will definitely say yes, its correct, we shouldnt support crime,
however, there are hard times that we must stand by our people
no matter what offence they committed, then after we may iron
out issues inhouse.

The Janar in his 100% orthodoxical way shouted Ole Ole to the
Party's Number 2 person.

Hey guys, kindly check what Yar'adua said when
Rice was asking him about the activities of the
Election Petition Tribunal and if their decision is
not in favour of him (Yar'adua) and he replied:

"Everybody has acknowledged that the 2007 elections were fraught with problems. I did not conduct this election. I merely participated in it. I was not in charge of the police, the Independent National Electoral Commission or any of the security branches. I was a participant and I accepted the results of the election. If the tribunal rules that I was not properly elected, I will accept their verdict.


"I will not appeal the ruling of the tribunal if it rules against me. However, if it falls on me to conduct a new election, I will conduct a very credible election and leave the stage,"  

This is the kind of person we are trying to defend
and give a second thought, while trying harder to
see the Janar reverse his decision.

Actions speak louder than words DB. Let 'Yar adua abdicate first and leave the playing field for the Janar, then we will believe his claims. In da gaske ya keyi, ai da tun farko da a ka rantsad da shi sai ya karbi presidency din, amma kuma ya juya ya ce a sake elections din, tunda he agreed that the elections were not free and fair.

Sorry DB, you cant sell 'Yar adua (at least to me) on that platter. How ever good he turns out, and he cant do otherwise, he still was there without the majority of the ppl's mandate.

Quote from: 'Dan Borno'I also agree when people argue that the elections were
mared with fraud, political thuggery, executive high handedness
and political arithmetic (with respect to Late Chuba Okadigbo)
but that is what politics is all about.  Two candidates pursuing
one position - you just have to play the game by the rules.

Let me tell you why the Janar will always have trouble with so
many politicians.  An incidence happens just some weeks to the
election of 2007 when EFCC were busy relisting the names of
indicted candidates.  EFCC raided the house of the ANPP Secretary
and detained him briefly for offences of extortion of money blah blah,
when Buhari heard of the case, instead of him to back to secretary
as they are in a period no one will want his Party at the head to
have any problems of break up, went ahead and raised a motion
that since the Secretary is involved in this type of criminal act
he most be relieved of his position immediately, infact he even
called the EFCC to arrest the party's secretary.

You will definitely say yes, its correct, we shouldnt support crime,
however, there are hard times that we must stand by our people
no matter what offence they committed, then after we may iron
out issues inhouse.

The Janar in his 100% orthodoxical way shouted Ole Ole to the
Party's Number 2 person.

So what u are saying is that we should accept fraudulence and live with it because that is how politics is played in Nigeria. To ai shiyasa 40yrs down the line, har yanzu nothing has  been achieved a Nigeria, saboda wannan irin cin amanar. A yi wa talakawa alkawari kuma a ki cikawa da gangan. To Allah dai Ya Kyauta, kuma unless mun gyara halayen mu, ba inda za mu as far as development is concerned. Masu gaskiya kiri kiri sai a takesu a shige. 
Ina ce akwai annabawan Allah wa'yanda matan su za su shiga wuta kuma bayadda za suyi, saboda sun saba wa Allah a duniya duk da mazajen su muqqarrabai ne. But here we are sayiing that one man was trying to do right by the law, in not supporting wrong doing by members of his own party, and u condemn him for so doing..while shi kuma he was only trying to do abin da Allah Ya ke so ayi, that is stand by the truth.
I think  ppl really need to examine their priorities.

Madam kenan, as far as i am concern we are on
the same lane, however, you maintain the speed
one while I stuck to the slow lane, pending any
improvement. 

When politics is mentioned, as far as it is the
west's democracy, then never exonorate those
vices we mentioned earlier.  No matter how, that
is how it is.  Ke, ki duba ko sarautar gargajiya
mana, it is maimed with so many intrigues.  So
mere playing the game by the rules will not amount
to anything to be portrayed in bad image.

Were we are having a little problem with you Husnaa
is you view the general political system in a crystal
eyeglasses and that gave you a different meaning
as to what  politics and democracy is all about, since
I assume you dont like politics, not to talk of contesting
for a any political office, as I do have.

Maganan 40 years kuwa, i dont think we should 100%
ascribe it to the failure of the politicians, the system
was so designed by the colonial masters, and the
effect is only resurfacing now, as rightly put up by the
able Doctor Bugaje.  He argued and I concure with
him that the educational system of Nigeria is the
breeder of the politicians, the educationist, the doctors
and all have you, and they are the one steering the
wheels of Nigeria.  He went on the point out that,
the fault is from the educational system, it is either
we go back to the drawing board, or the system
continuously breed same product in a recycling manner.

Malam Janar, this is my message to you, it is not
in the interest of democracy, but in the interest of
peace and progress that you should let it go.

If we have to go back to the drawing board, then it means doing things the way the janar is doing them NOW. So why dont we just give him our support instead of condemnation and speed up the process without having to move backwards, tunda gaskiya ce kadai will yield positive results?
As for letting it go... well someone has to be the kaya that pricks 'Yar adua's flesh.. he cant have an easy ride, having accessed the throne on an easy ticket..

I will reserve my comment until your Sankira & Co
voice out their opinion.  ;D

Congratulations Auntyn Muhsin, January 28 has been fixed for
the ruling.  Gossips is moving around that the election will be
annuled, while the court will order a fresh election.

Already, ANPP through a special committee have started their
mobilization for campaign against the election.

We wait till after 28 January before we take a decision as to
who to follow.

To gashi nan kuma an kori Nuhi Ribadu da ga EFCC ko da yake an ce wai ya koma makaranta amma ko wa ya san these are moves to do some nasty makarkashiya. Maybe this has something to do with yr above informationn\ DB

Please allow the General to speak his mind after all this is democracy. As a retired general he has the right to say anything about the election as for you you know what happen during April Election. For 100 days of Yar'adua in office I personally never see any changes. Go to the far villages in far north you will under stand what I mean

Mohammed Nazeer Dayyabu Kazaure

Quote from: Al-Nazeer on December 31, 2007, 10:52:59 AM
Go to the far villages in far north you will under stand what I mean

Never attribute the backwardness of your (our) villages to
the Servant-Leader.  Get to know your Governor and the
Local Government Chairman pls.

Yallabai I just want to you to know that its not only Villages. I base here in FCT-Abuja very close to Presidential Villa. And Iam telling you boldly that Yar'adua Government doesnt change anything in 100 days. For tribunal result I dont care after all Iam not a politician whether Yar'adua or Buhari any how they want do it let them do it. What I want you to beleived is that people are still suffering in this country, and Yar'adua can Never change it in 4 years talkless of 100 days.

That is it Ustaz Nazeer, the problem of Nigeria did not
start when Yar'adua was sworn in as President CinC,
it is a cumulative problem that can not be solved in only
100 days nor 4 years of Yar'adua.  However, it is
unrealistic to start gauging this administration barely
after he was sworn in.

People have been suffering since time immemorial, and
this has to do with the wickedness of man to accumulate
more than what he and his family can consume.

Those of us who have never seen Abuja, not to talk of
Aso Rock, taught that whoever is leaving and working in
Abuja is also part of the vandalisation.

HABA DAN-BARNO - LET JANAR GO MANA!

muhsin has somehow managed to stop me from
posting on this thread, however, i cant resist the
latest news in town.

whatever has a beginning must have an end, this
has always been the preaching by my former school
principal.  Karshen Tika Tika Tik, says the hausa
man.

February 26th 2008 has been finally fixed for the
Presidential Tribunal ruling.  it was during this time
that the rule of law in a nigerian context will be
uplifted, while democracy will continue thriving in
our polity.

The servant-leaders has earlier on informed us that
whatever decision reached by the tribunal he is going
to accept it wholeheartedly as a good muslim.
though havent heard from the old janar, if the case
turns out to be not in his favour, is he going to accept
the decision in good faith?

another development has rose suspicion over the
credibility of the coming ruling, because, there is this
allegation of bribery in a form of government promotion
to the rank of a supreme court judge to the
Justice James Ogebe led tribunal.  if this is confirmed to
be form of bribery and not a coincidence, how is it going
to affect the ruling of the tribunal?

if at all this election is nullified on the 26th of February,
in our presidential data base it is the likes of IBB, Atiku,
and Buhari who will be on a high alert risk of being the
next president of this country.  if the above scenario is
right, do you think IBB or Atiku is better than Yar'adua?

Danjuma da Danjummai.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 21, 2008, 10:10:27 PMif at all this election is nullified on the 26th of February,
in our presidential data base it is the likes of IBB, Atiku,
and Buhari who will be on a high alert risk of being the
next president of this country.  if the above scenario is
right, do you think IBB or Atiku is better than Yar'adua?

You asked a question and at the same time gave yourself a good nswer, DB. LOL ;D Look at it below;

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 21, 2008, 10:10:27 PMDanjuma da Danjummai.

Kai dai continue with your prayer for Allah to choose us a better one always. They might be and might not be. Thats ALL. :-X

To Whom it May Concern

At last, the legal tussle between His Excellency,
Alhaji Umaru Musa Yar'adua, The President and
Commander-In-Chief of the Federal Republic of
Nigeria and the former old Janar has successfully
come to a conclusion with the tribunal dismissing
the case and affirming the election of the
President as valid.

Where does the Janar go from here?  Surely, we
will not give him ticket come 2011 - we will seek
for another credible person to challenge the
PDP.

DB,

Nigeria kenan. This came to me without an ounce of surprise because thats what I had been predicting or rather anticipating. Allah ya sa hakan shi yafi alkhairi a gareshi da mu Nigerians, amin.

Gogannaka, where are you? Feel no more anxious, huh. LOL

Janar, you must now let it go!

So now,finally, the government is a legitimate one.

Buhari should continue with his opposition but constructively.That will help keep the govt on track.

To say I am disappointed and depressed about the ruling is to make an understatement. However, kullu shai'in min inda Allah. Alhamdulillahi ala kullu haalin. In haka shi yafiye ma Janar Alheri, Allah Ya bashi hakuri, kuma Ya Saka masa. Wani Hani baiwa ce.. every cloud has a silver lining. Mun rungumi Kaddara.
Allah Ya Baiwa 'Yar adua sa'ar mulki for the general good of the populace ameen.

President Yar'adua, Allah ya taya riko

In dai haka lauyoyi suke, to nagode da ban karanta law ba. They are a bunch of idiots. What gets my goat the most was the verdict that Buhari does not even have a case. >:( Can you just believe this? Allah ya isa. Allah ya saka mana. Shi kuma yaje yai ta mulkin har abada. Ko kunya baya ji, anyi sata an bashi ya haye >:( >:( >:( >:(

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 26, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
In dai haka lauyoyi suke, to nagode da ban karanta law ba. They are a bunch of idiots. What gets my goat the most was the verdict that Buhari does not even have a case. >:( Can you just believe this? Allah ya isa. Allah ya saka mana. Shi kuma yaje yai ta mulkin har abada. Ko kunya baya ji, anyi sata an bashi ya haye >:( >:( >:( >:(

Hakuri dan uwa Akwai Allah :) :) Nauyi Allah Ya Dauke wa Janar Buhari, anyway. Besides, I think they may appeal to the supreme court, and Kutigi is supposed to be very honest. Two days ago, someone told me an anecdote about Kutigi, which gives me great hope and faith in him. There was an incident when OBJ sent El Rufai with the keys of a mansion in Asokoro, to give to Kutigi. El Rufai took Kutigi to see the beautiful house which OBJ had given him gratis. He looked at it, admired it and then told El Rufai that he had a better and more satisfying house than that one in Abuja. El Rufai was clearly intrigued as it was one of the best properties in Abuja. So Kutigi told him that he'd show him the house if he wanted to see it. So they got back into the car and Kutigi made straight for a makabarta. They both came out and entered it. He looked at El Rufai and said to him
'there is no house that is better than this one for me. Therefore go back to yr master, thank him very much for me and tell him that you have seen my house and there is none better than it in this world'.
The normally vociferous El Rufai was for once gobsmacked, speechless dumb, mute .. what ever.. there was nothing to say really if u think about it.. Ya ga iyakacin sa da iyakacin kowa ma.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 26, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
In dai haka lauyoyi suke, to nagode da ban karanta law ba. They are a bunch of idiots.

OMG, da ace wannan kalmomin sun fito daga bakin wani
sabon member ne da ya sha wutan missiles wallahi.
Kai yanzu a fadin duniyannan akwai wani noble profession
ne apart from Law and Lawyers?  I doubt much if there is
any.  I challenge not only you but all.

with regards to this issue kuma, what do you want the
judge to say, that Buhari has a case or what?  believe me
even without the rigging (which is normal in naija's politics)
Buhari will not see the end of the day, kai ko a arewa ne
akace ya kawo 75% votes to earn him Aso Rock, Buhari
will not bring that 75%.

All the allegations he leveled concerning the elections
were not credible enough to cancel part or whole of the
election, especially when he mistakenly joined his
evidences with that of power mongerer (Atikun Yola)
there is no way he can succeed.  If i were the Judge
I will even ask BUhari to pay some money as cost to
Yar'adua for wasting and playing with his time.

my advice to Janar is for him to go back hunting.

Kuma, Auntyn Muhsin, for your information, even they
appeal to Supreme court, they will not succeed.  the
caliber of people who delivered this judgements are
men of integrity and honour, and soon, you will see them
sitting at the chambers of the supreme court waiting for
the same case to come before them, what do you expect?

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 26, 2008, 07:27:45 PM
with regards to this issue kuma, what do you want the
judge to say, that Buhari has a case or what?  believe me
even without the rigging (which is normal in naija's politics)
Buhari will not see the end of the day, kai ko a arewa ne
akace ya kawo 75% votes to earn him Aso Rock, Buhari
will not bring that 75%.

Well said DB. Anan muna tare.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 26, 2008, 07:27:45 PM

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 26, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
In dai haka lauyoyi suke, to nagode da ban karanta law ba. They are a bunch of idiots.

OMG, da ace wannan kalmomin sun fito daga bakin wani
sabon member ne da ya sha wutan missiles wallahi.
Kai yanzu a fadin duniyannan akwai wani noble profession
ne apart from Law and Lawyers?  I doubt much if there is
any.  I challenge not only you but all.

with regards to this issue kuma, what do you want the
judge to say, that Buhari has a case or what?  believe me
even without the rigging (which is normal in naija's politics)
Buhari will not see the end of the day, kai ko a arewa ne
akace ya kawo 75% votes to earn him Aso Rock, Buhari
will not bring that 75%.

I don't know whether you're joking, mischevious, or both. Because for someone like you to come out with such statement is, to say the least, preposterous. May be you and I are not living in the same Arewa. Ban san gaibu ba, amma I don't believe there's a single person in this country that can match Buhari in a popularity contest, let alone arewa. I really can't believe I'm even debating this. It is a fact as clear as the diff btw day and night.

As for the verdict, I personally expected it. We all know it is going to be politically guided. Forget any gymnastic they might do with legal words; bottom  line is the Judiciary is not as independent now as 'yaradua would want us to believe. Isn't it really laughable and pathetic for someone to claim that there was no sufficient evidence to annul the last April presidential election that has been adjudged as the worst ever election conducted on the Nigerian soil since independence, both nationally and internationally? The Tribunal refused flatly to allow oral evidence from witnesses, only to rule that it had no sufficient evidence against the president. How do you get evidence when you disallowed people to testify as witnesses? 

It is only in Nigeria that ppl celeberate criminality and injustice done with impunity. 'Cos that's the only way to describe the shenanigans of the last election, and the shameless manner in which some are happy about the verdict.

As for my statement regarding lawyers, I  repeat, 'if the Nigerian Judiciary typifies the legal profession, then I'm glad I'm not a lawyer!'. This is simply bcos the Nigerian judiciary has been part and parcel of the negative state of the Nigerian nation.

i had you very well Bakangizo. 
one funny thing about us is that whenever a judgement
does not favour us we turn wild against the judiciary, but
on the other hand, when judgement is in our favour, we
even call praise singers to add colour.

Ranka ya dade Bakan Gizo, my message is clear, and you
are not dreaming or anything, the voice you hear is from
Arewa, except that its not of a hypocrite who hide under
the shade of the old Janar. 

Kasan nobody knows who you vote for when you were
at the polling station, so many people cheat on old Janar
and up to the time of him going to court, people still lead
him astray kuma duk munafukai ne, even his closest aids
were not spared in this allegation.

he is just a sacrificial lamp.

Alan Gubro this is not about 'a judgement going against us'. This is about a broad day light robbery, in the name of election, which was eventually  adjuged to be in order by the judiciary. No matter your open declarations of love for 'Yaradua and the PDP, you DB know deep inside you that that election was a monumental fraud. And you know that ordinarily it should be cancelled. But unfortunately in this country our desires, more often than not, do becloud our sense of reasoning and fairness. And the ability to stand up for what is right, even if it goes contrary to our desires.

Your right about I can't not know for certain if everyone votes for Buhari. That was why I said ban san gaibu ba. But if the public manifestation of love for buhari is anything to go by, then I make bold to say he's the most popular candidate around. In any case how do you make predictions about possible winners of elections if not by what you see? Da zahiri ake amfani, don sanin badili sai Allah.

As for Buhari being led astray, I believe I 've said it myself here sometime ago that he was surrounded by incompetent and insincere ppl. So that I agree with you. Yeah, he might end up being the sacrificial lamp, but at least he's fighting a noble cause. A cause that we've all shied away from, either because we are lazy, cowards, greedy, insincere. Or all.

Ikon Allah.What a wonderful debate.

After the judgement i heard a lawyer commenting on the judgement and from what i learnt the way the judiciary make thier judgements is based on what was presented.The judiciary is not concerned with what you or me feels to be right but rather what was presented to it as evidence and fact.

The fact that Buhari is a popular candidate and that because he claimed police and soldiers scared voters away does not mandate the judiciary to take the allegations for granted except if he produces concrete evidence to prove that. They don't make judgements based on 'hear say'.
Buhari and the ANPP claimed that the police and soldiers fired shots in various areas in order to scare away voters yet they could not produce a single evidence be it name of a police officer or soldier to support their allegation.Quite unfortunate that in this era of camera phones they couldn't capture such an act. Take a look at the case in Abia where a 30second video footing of a cult/secret society initiation and an interview with the priest sent the governor packing.

The masses love for Buhari makes them believe whatever they hear on radio or read on papers, as long as it comes from the general's mouth then dai-dai ne.Ita kuwa judiciary ba haka take ba.

Also the conditions that the constitution,through the electoral act, provide for the annulment of an election were simply not met.

The symbol of law is a blind woman.She does not look at your being fine or popular when making a judgement.

I agree with DB that Buhari cannot deliver the North talkless of a hada har da kudancin kasar.
Shi dai barshi a Kano,jigawa,yobe da wasu yan rogowa.

Wai Wai wai..........Hmmmm what is done is done now
even though i aint happy with the conclusions, that election
was definately rigged as usual, and i can remember hearing
that in kt the ballot box/es for sum reason was snatched away from
where it was placed for the voters to vote and ended up in Mangals
house, yep i know its ridiculous.

BKG I am with you all the way!! Bar su DB.. he likes to sit on the fence and be blown away in the direction in which a favorable wind is blowing...I told him this before... somewhere. He used to be all for Buhari then he turned his back on him.
At any rate, I would like to point out a salient point to GGNK that nothwithstanding what he said some lawyer said, the fact of the matter is that Buhari and co were willing to bring live witnesses to stand and testify but the courts told them that the papers that they presented were sufficient evidence, so they didnt need to bring anyone. Now the courts have turned around and given this verdict that due to lack of live witnesses they will uphold the elections. I think if Buhari's lawyers raised this issue alone in a court of appeal it is enough to get them heard. After that, someone also commented that the very same cases that Buhari's lawyers presented to the courts were the same scenarios that got some Governors booted out of their administrations, so what is so different about Buhari's case?
Ai dama tunda aka ce wai za a fadi sakamako daga Abuja instead of piecemeal as the election results came in from each state, the scene was set for wuru wuru.
Kuma as for Buhari's inability to bring in votes except from Kano Bauchi and one or two other states, well let me ask you a question that a lawyer may likely ask seeing that lawyers only work with tangible evidence not heresay: How do you know that Buhari will not win or may not have won seeing that the election results were not tallied but only announced from the figment of Iwu's imagination or extrapolation?
Anyway like I said, wani hani baiwa ce daga Allah. If the supreme court upholds the judgements of the lower courts, Buhari should just aquiesce to the decision and give up politics in Nigeria. Its not worth it.  Dadin ta ma akwai lahira. Sakamako mai kyau yana can.

I think there is something about legal profession that is above the understanding of many people including me.

In 2003 I filed a case against a man whom all the world know as irresponsible and a cheat to the core because he claimed a house from my family estate as his own. The evidence was tremendous and he hired a lawyer to defend him.

On my part, apart from getting the police involved and putting the charges as criminal offense, I also hired a lawyer.

Then the day of the hearing came and I was put in the witness box.

The judge asked me to make my case and I explained that the man went to the house and ejected the tenants showing them a court order which said the house belonged to him....

After  my submission his lawyer made a case that my conclusions should be rejected because I lied against his client? He was asked how and he said his client never carried a court order to the house in question. That it was something they call warranty!

That was it, I was watching them trying to make a no case of my case and they were evidently winning until when my lawyer intervened and said even my self said purported court order, which should mean with the use of purported, I too was not sure.

I sighed a sigh of relief for if not for that I would have lost my genuine case on the ground of terminology usage which in every language of jurisprudence is believed to have to be necessary and correctly applied  before a case is won.

So it was true when Abubakar Imam said in Magana Jari:

Ba gaskiya bace abar bida a shari'a, kaidai a samo sa'a.

So, so many things may have been wrong on the part of Buhari coming from the example sited above from my case.

After all, if the case were dismissed in consideration of national interest, we should know that from the day UMYA got sworn in his interest became the national interest.

Quote from: gogannaka on February 28, 2008, 12:16:24 PM
The fact that Buhari is a popular candidate and that because he claimed police and soldiers scared voters away does not mandate the judiciary to take the allegations for granted except if he produces concrete evidence to prove that. They don't make judgements based on 'hear say'.Buhari and the ANPP claimed that the police and soldiers fired shots in various areas in order to scare away voters yet they could not produce a single evidence be it name of a police officer or soldier to support their allegation.Quite unfortunate that in this era of camera phones they couldn't capture such an act. Take a look at the case in Abia where a 30second video footing of a cult/secret society initiation and an interview with the priest sent the governor packing.

So the case against 'Yaradua is mere 'hear say'? Hmmnn. No comment.

Now, you claim Buhari could not produce a police officer or soldier to support their allegation? Where were you when the same Tribunal you are so eager to defend refused to allow Buhari's counsel to present witnesses? Only for them to turn back and base thier judgement on lack of witnesses? Or can you show me where in our constitution, or electoral act, it was stated that documentary evidence must be backed by videos or physical witnesses? My friend, the term 'no enough evidence' is just a convinient ball used by lawyers/judges to play around which depending on the situation. It is subjective and malleable. I won't go thru the "Buhari can't the north" debate again. Abin ya zama abin dariya. In anycase, hajia Husnaa has said something to that effect.

Amira:
It is true, ameera what u heard. I cast my vote in the presidential election in kt, (I did the gubernatorial election in kano)so I'm a witness to those things. I can assure you that terrible things were done.

Quote from: _Waziri_ on February 28, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
I sighed a sigh of relief for if not for that I would have lost my genuine case on the ground of terminology usage which in every language of jurisprudence is believed to have to be necessary and correctly applied  before a case is won.

Thank u. That was why I said in my initial post, forget any legal jargon they use to hide behind whenever they want to pronounce a verdict that was contrary to the truth and evidence. Point here being, any partial judge can use those terminologies to base his/her selfish verdict(s).

What amaze me with Nigerians (or human beings if u like) is how ppl have jumped into bandwagon of defending the injustice, robbery and fraud of the last election. Ba kunya ba tsoron Allah.

Bakan Gizo kenan, okay lets assume you are in the
position to answer these questions sincerely,
what are your answers (In brief please)

1.  Do you sincerely think Umaru Musa Yar'adua, was at the time of the
     election not qualified to contest the election?

2.  Will you suggest that the presidential election conducted in
     2007 be totally annuled because of allegations of non
     compliance with the electoral law?

3.  Did you agree that the 2007 election was marred completely
     by corrupt practices in the whole states of the federation?

Quote from: HUSNAA on February 28, 2008, 01:35:15 PM
Kuma as for Buhari's inability to bring in votes except from Kano Bauchi and one or two other states, well let me ask you a question that a lawyer may likely ask seeing that lawyers only work with tangible evidence not heresay: How do you know that Buhari will not win or may not have won seeing that the election results were not tallied but only announced from the figment of Iwu's imagination or extrapolation?

Lets be sincere, as that DB called BKG to be and answer his question, to answer this one also. Hajiya Husnaa, the reason is ovbiously with the party mainly that Buhari contested plus other ones. Its almost only in the north that people support ANPP. I learn that when my brother and his friend came back from serving there NYSC in Anambra, Enugu, Imo, and some other southern states. They were very surprised to found people yelling support for Buhari in medias, posters on walls, and other campain machinaries. They said, not even "they" only but its said and believe that ANPP is only a northern party. But her formidable rival has effect on all Nigerian states ground.

Thus, following that aforesaid, there is nothing surprising if Buhari didn't win or may not have won election in Nigeria.

I remeber one thing again; I heard when Atiku was saying, before he decamped from PDP, that he knew if he would be allowed to contest under PDP flag, even if OBJ would be the INEC chairman who was incharge to announce the election winner, could not put him wedge from becoming Nigerian president. That will help you understand the power of PDP above other parties.

If I were Buhari, as advised by many Nigerian political comentators, I would say bye bye to politics. He himself once said; politics is a murky water. So he should neither appeal nor ever re-contest.

Wata shari'ar sai a lahira. Patience is the best medication when you are victimized.

I was speaking to a close ally of the General almost a month ago in Bauchi and asked him whether in his honest opinion the General could win if the election was cancelled and a new one organised within 60 days. Not only was his anwer an emphatic No, he actually told me he believed that yaradua actually won the election but not with the margin announced. In effect he was saying that PDP went overboard and carried objs do or die mantra to a ridiculous level, amma dai anpp ba su ci zabe ba.

Muhsin is right, elections in nigeria can never be free or fair by western standards becauseof the poverty level and the influence of money on the electorate and the logistical requirements post election, and on election day itself. A sitting president with 30 odd governors from his party (and some from other parties solidly behind him) already has a running start on his opponents. During the last elections even the traditional buhari states like kano and kaduna could not be said to have shown the same enthusiasm for the general that he enjoyed in 2003, in fact in kano the lines were drawn.
I was coming out of the french cafe in kaduna at the height of the primaries/selection process last year when a bus adorned with buhari posters pulled to a stop with all the windows smashed and everybody ran out. On enquiry we were told that the bus was passing thru tudun wada and was attacked by irate supporters of senator aruwa who the General did not favour as a a candidate and was dropped at the last minute.

I witnessd aother spectacle in kura on my way to kano during an anpp rally. A house of assembly candidate had printed posters with himself shekarau and the general and some supporters from the same party held up his motorcade and demanded that he tear off the generals picture "tunda ba ya tare da mu"  tempers flared the driver of the bus took matters in his hands and said he was willing to refund their fare and go back to avoid wahala. In short the posters were amended before ther rally continued.

Same story in katsina where a candiadte contested for primaries twice, won twice but ws dropped because he was rude to buhari.

These were the "home" states.

I know for a fact that in the whole of the south south i dont think there was a single poster of the general balle billboard.   I can tell you authoritatively that in more than half of the states there were no anpp agents for the presidential election at the polling booths except where there was a serious senatorial candidate who had arranged for same and whose agents doubled for the presidential candidate as well. The PDP would probably have about 10 agents, with allowances for canvassing (read buying) votes and in most places for buying over the anpp agent who was there for his sanatorial candidate and really didnt give a hoot about anything else. Elections and preparing for them cost money( even in the USA). The much touted buhari/atiku alliance b4 the elections broke down from day one when the atiku negotiators that included tinubu wanted to know what the general had in his election kitty for logistics etc. The buhari camp insisted that th atiku people declare 1st and a rough estimate of about 7 billion was declared with some more in pledges. The BOT response was that they dont play money politics, and they had "goodwill" of the masses kuma their candidate yana da gaskiya.

The division in the ANPP did not help matters as the Buhari Organisation against all odds insisted on pairing up the general with the octogeneric uzoke despite protests from even the eastern caucus of the party who believed if the position was zoned to he east they should have a say in the choice. The general prevailed and in a move far removed from gskiya insisted that uzoke remain chairman despite thar fact that the party constitution stipulated that an officer seeking a local, state or national electoral office resign his party position 2 weeks prior.

The organisation then used uzoke to weed out perceived anti buhari elements with active connivance of Nuhu Ribadu ad the rest as thy say is history.  Pere Ajunwa who bankrolled the party in the east, and who many thought would be compensated with vp jumped ship. Yerima who had a national electoral machinery in all 37 states was drafted as campaign coordinator, he donated his vehicles, offices etc to the buhari campaign team, but barely 2 weeks later resigned from the position citing health reasons, but more accurately dissatisfied with the fact that the Buhari Organisation was running a paralell arangement and was calling the shots (circa 2003)

The list can go on but suffice to say there is mre to winng an election in Nigeria than bus drivers adorning their windscreens with your stickers.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 28, 2008, 08:09:20 PM
Bakan Gizo kenan, okay lets assume you are in the
position to answer these questions sincerely,
what are your answers (In brief please)

1.  Do you sincerely think Umaru Musa Yar'adua, was at the time of the
     election not qualified to contest the election?

2.  Will you suggest that the presidential election conducted in
     2007 be totally annuled because of allegations of non
     compliance with the electoral law?

3.  Did you agree that the 2007 election was marred completely
     by corrupt practices in the whole states of the federation?

Firstly, I believe Yaradua is qualified to contest. Secondly, you know, I know, everyone knows that the election was a farce. It was a charade. It was corruption personified. It was broad day light robbery. That was not a secret. Even Yaradua, the beneficiary of the fraudulent election, acknowledged that it was flawed. So why are we even talking about whether it should be annulled or not?

Kitkat:
This debate is not about whether Buhari won, or Yaradua won. It is about the fact that no one can say who actually won, and with number of votes. Bcos votes were just allocated, not counted. A friend of mine was a Returning Officer in Yobe state during the election, and funny enough when Maurice Iwu was announcing the election results, he called us from Yobe to tell us that they were at that very moment actually collating the results of the local governments, preparatory to tallying them,  only for them to hear the result for the state announced. That's just a sample. As for Buhari's campaign bus attacked in tudun wada Kaduna, does that indicate anything? Anyone can hire thugs and set them off against opponents. What would you say when I tell you that when Buhari came to kt for his campaign, PDP's HQ was set ablaze, while Yaradua's posters were torn? Of course Buhari was not allowed to campaign IN HIS OWN STATE. He was turned back by the police. Suc was the desperation of the PDP to win at all costs. He didn't spend more than 30mins in kt. I'm a living witness to this. So we should stop talking about whether Buhari can win, has won, or not. Fact is, none of us conducted any Opinion Poll. And we all have our reasons to back our views.

By the way, welcome back to the forum. Kwana biyu.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 29, 2008, 05:05:22 PM

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 28, 2008, 08:09:20 PM
Bakan Gizo kenan, okay lets assume you are in the
position to answer these questions sincerely,
what are your answers (In brief please)

1.  Do you sincerely think Umaru Musa Yar'adua, was at the time of the
     election not qualified to contest the election?

2.  Will you suggest that the presidential election conducted in
     2007 be totally annuled because of allegations of non
     compliance with the electoral law?

3.  Did you agree that the 2007 election was marred completely
     by corrupt practices in the whole states of the federation?

Firstly, I believe Yaradua is qualified to contest. Secondly, you know, I know, everyone knows that the election was a farce. It was a charade. It was corruption personified. It was broad day light robbery. That was not a secret. Even Yaradua, the beneficiary of the fraudulent election, acknowledged that it was flawed. So why are we even talking about whether it should be annulled or not?

Kitkat:
This debate is not about whether Buhari won, or Yaradua won. It is about the fact that no one can say who actually won, and with number of votes. Bcos votes were just allocated, not counted. A friend of mine was a Returning Officer in Yobe state during the election, and funny enough when Maurice Iwu was announcing the election results, he called us from Yobe to tell us that they were at that very moment actually collating the results of the local governments, preparatory to tallying them,  only for them to hear the result for the state announced. That's just a sample. As for Buhari's campaign bus attacked in tudun wada Kaduna, does that indicate anything? Anyone can hire thugs and set them off against opponents. What would you say when I tell you that when Buhari came to kt for his campaign, PDP's HQ was set ablaze, while Yaradua's posters were torn? Of course Buhari was not allowed to campaign IN HIS OWN STATE. He was turned back by the police. Suc was the desperation of the PDP to win at all costs. He didn't spend more than 30mins in kt. I'm a living witness to this. So we should stop talking about whether Buhari can win, has won, or not. Fact is, none of us conducted any Opinion Poll. And we all have our reasons to back our views.

By the way, welcome back to the forum. Kwana biyu.

Thanks BG/
I was driving home the issue of disunity and rancor within the generals chosen platform when i referred to the two incidents. The kaduna attack was by anpp members because tudun wada is almost a no go area for pdp. I can tell you that the generals visit to gombe lasted less than even the 30 mins he got in kt with one bus in his entouraged burned and the house of jamilu gwamna where he was supposed to have lunch almost razed to the ground, thanks to Goje and his kalare group.

Also somebody has to be declared a winner no matter how flawed an election is, as long as one took place in whatever guise. There cant be vaccum and the electoral act does not envisage one, which is why it provides for nullification or overturning of such a declaration on 4 grounds after an exhaustive election tribunal process with provision for appeal at a higher level.

There were cases of vote allocation country wide just as the case in 2003, and from a legal perspective this is not difficult to prove in an election tribunal since the petitioner thru a comparative analysis of the collation process from ballot box to ward to local government to State and the final results can expose the fact that votes were allocated and in fact the buhari camp did prove such allocation in some local govts, even in this recent election.

The problem is establishing enough of such evidence to wipe out the deficit bw the 23 million or so votes announced in favor of the pdp and the generals 6 million. If allocation was country wide and sufficent to wipe out yaraduas lead, I  can assure you that the crux of the petitioners case would have been to prove so in court and by process of elimination erode the pdp margin till a clear case of an anpp victory emerges, but typically the petitioners made random references to some states to prove that the process was flawed. There was no attempt to establish a buhari victory based on the fact that they believed he will win based on the NO OF LAWFULL VOTES CAST as required by the electoral act. The crux of their case was for a cancellation of the polls based on SUBSTANTIAL non compliance with the provisions of the electoral act or corrupt practices etc on election day. Atiku butressed his action on the fact that he was unlawfully excluded amongst other grounds, which when rebuffed by the PDP team based on evidence of participation through the signatures of their agents at various levels of collation, later changed to an argument that he was only allowed particpation 4 days to the polls while his colleagues were candidtes months b4 him.  Non of the two petitioners chanelled their energy towards proving that they would have won the election if the allocated votes in question were eliminated and the legal votes tallied in their favour, and sometimes the law can be an Ass especially since it doesnt cater to sentiments.

The fact that the election was flawed does not render it void, i dont believe there is any election that can be described as flawless hence the tribunals allusion to the US supreme court's reference to the inadequacies inherent in bushs 2nd term election especially in florida, but which were not enough to invalidate it. This is an election where the margins were razor thin,  not our case where the differential was in millions.

I agree with you there was no opinion poll, but sentiments aside I still insist that popularity or public appeal within a particular region is not enough to carry a candidate to victory in the nigeria of today.

After all that transpired at the Electrion Tribunal, the old
Janar has now appealed against this decision after so many
calls from notable Nigerians (including the 19 State Governors
of the Northern Nigeria where he comes from) and dear friends
to the Old Janar.  His Counsel "Ahamba" is the one misleading the old
Janar, imagine the counsel challenging the entire decision of
the tribunal!!!!

Kitkat, barka da isowa from sabbatical

i don't know why people are so naive about who the janar is? i never and won't for once misjudge the personality of janar Buhari. what people of little understanding about the man should know, is that Buhari remain and is still the only Nigerian elder that believed in honesty and is worthy of such. so the issue of droping his case is not in his interest and people like me, who really believe in an honest system in whatsoever situation.
for me, Buhari is only asking the court to justify the act of inhumanity and barbarism of the so call april election. that's all and nothing else! :-X

You see it just the way I do, bash. ;) You know it beats me the type of hypocrisy that is prevelant in our society now. This case is not about Buhari has won or not. In fact his legal team did not siad he won, neither did they ask the Tribunal to declare him the winner of the election. It is about doing the right thing. It is about cancelling the fraud that took place. The robbery. Sata na kirikiri da rashin mutunci. For the first time in our history, we have been adjuged to have conducted the worst election in the continent. Everyone is in agreement, both here and internationally. And this is what ppl are defending? Don wasu sakarkarun banza wai su dattijan arewa sun ce ya hakura? Who are they? Are they not even our problem in the North?

Bash, i see where you reason, i dont want to engage in
tight fist debates, however, the records that seems to
portray Buhari as one saint is only an imagination and
amplified by so many innocent nigerians, thinking that
the Janar is our only messiah.

the inhumanity and barbarism has been trailing nigerian
politics since independence and buhari has been a beneficiary
and actor since that time.

we are talking about winning an election not what happened
during the election.  if buhari is not fighting to be declared as
the winner of the election i also doubt if he is fighting the
barbaric system that sponsored him.

all we are asking the Janar to do is retire and allow those
whose time is ripe to participate during the 2011 election.
let him continue be the ghost messiah nigerians never got.

well...............dan borno there's really no point in engaging you to a directionless argurment, cos as it seems we'll never reason in an objective perspective, all the same may Allah guide our nation right. :-X

Last year's election was probably the worst charade yet; even worse than what I expected. One only needs to look back into Nigeria's history - or better yet, look eastwards to Kenya - to realize the potentially grim consequences of such actions. For a while a Kenyan friend of mine kept bugging me about Nigeria's failure to pip up about Kenya's crisis. As I said to him, why should we? We should be thankful that we are not also counting our dead.

I'm no fan of Buhari, and can't quite ignore the irony of a man fighting for ideals he brushed aside with impunity two decades ago. It may be that the status quo is in Nigeria's best interests for peaceful coexistence. That said, I cannot in my right say that Yar'adua's fraudulent mandate deserves protection from legal challenge. At least, lets keep some semblance of democratic ideals...

P.S. Dan Borno, this (http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=3347.msg32476#msg32476) was probably your worst argument.

Quote from: lionger on March 25, 2008, 11:18:01 PM


P.S. Dan Borno, this (http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=3347.msg32476#msg32476) was probably your worst argument.

That was his worst...trying to justify the unjustifiable.
I thought Lionger, that when ETE was banned from this forum, you also went into voluntary exile in support of yr southern brother. I was a little disappointed as a result cos I'd always thought of you as intellectually far superior than ETE and by far more reasonable. Well be as it may, I'm glad that u are back and I hope my assumption is unfounded.
Welcome back.

somebody is taking potshots here!!!

Lionger, sorry you came very late, at a time when
we have all closed down our arguments if not, u
would have suffered some missile attacks.

By the way, where have you been all this while?

Quote from: HUSNAA on March 26, 2008, 01:32:53 PM
That was his worst...trying to justify the unjustifiable.

the supreme court has justified the unjustifiable, so
no need for DB to justify any further.  Case closed
down, no appeal.

Did you hear that Buhari has been suspended by his
Party Ward Chairman in Katsina?  we will soon throw
him out of job.  ;D   ;D   ;D  (its a joke)

The past 6 months did not go well between the old General
and his party ANPP.  The party has decided to bring an end
to this long time unfriendly relationship especially putting into
consideration 2011 is almost around the corner.

It is on this basis that the TOFA COMMITTEE is initiated and
among its terms of reference is reconciling all warring parties
within the circle of the second great party in NIgeria ANPP.

Though the committee has succeeded in so many States of
the Federation, its seems the old General is proving to resist
any form of reconciliation.

It could be remembered that the born of contention between
the parties stalwarts and Buhari is the participation of the
former in the Government of National Unit (GNU) which Buhari
vehemently opposed.  The decision by the party is for the
best interest of the nation and there is light that Buhari is
suppose to see.

If this negotiation and reconciliation is not positive on the side
of Buhari, there is strong indication that Buhari will be opting
for another party for his dream ambition.  THough TOFA's
committee has been trying, we call on the Old General to accept
faith as it is and even after the reconciliation, be adviced to
act as the party's board of trustee chairman and let the party
endorse a worthy candidate, some one like SHEKARAU or
Gombe's powerful GOJE and in the absense of the above
DAN-BORNO is interested seriously  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
while NURA JIBO Deputised for me.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on September 24, 2008, 04:21:42 PM
THough TOFA's
committee has been trying, we call on the Old General to accept
faith as it is and even after the reconciliation, be adviced to
act as the party's board of trustee chairman and let the party
endorse a worthy candidate, some one like SHEKARAU or
Gombe's powerful GOJE and in the absense of the above
DAN-BORNO is interested seriously  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
while NURA JIBO Deputised for me.

Ha. A lot of people would have issues with his candidacy. I'm his staunch supporter, but I tell you I'm losing some of my confidence in him. I get a feeling he's deviating from his ideals, while his biggest problem is that he is a "softy", and that won't just work in a country like Nigeria. But all in all, a good person.

Shekarau has no vision. He came to power by default. If Kwankwaso hadnt destroyed his chances by being devious, he'd have had a chance at a second term and mayb pdp would be in power today. I certainly have no confidence in Shekarau. Being honest is not enough. One should enforce honesty and also do something for the devpt of the state. At least munga tabarmar kwankwaso ko shimfidar kwankwaso lining the pavements of Kano :P :P

Quote from: HUSNAA on September 25, 2008, 01:07:26 PM
Shekarau has no vision. He came to power by default. If Kwankwaso hadnt destroyed his chances by being devious, he'd have had a chance at a second term and mayb pdp would be in power today. I certainly have no confidence in Shekarau. Being honest is not enough. One should enforce honesty and also do something for the devpt of the state. At least munga tabarmar kwankwaso ko shimfidar kwankwaso lining the pavements of Kano :P :P

No, no, no. You are way off the mark with that criticism. To say that Shekarau has no vision is simply not true, unless if you just want to criticise only for criticism sake. I don't want to transform this into a debate on Shekarau's achievements, but anyone who can confront the monstrous problem of portable water in Kano head-on cannot be said to lack vision. Anyone who would decide to tackle the endemic rot in our society's  moral fabric cannot be said to lack vision. Agreed, these were not 100% successful, but progress was made and it is there for all to see. Hospitals were built, the most recent being the Neurological Hospital (the first and probably only of its type this part of the country). Roads were constructed (and are still being constructed).

I wonder why you would even mention Kwankwaso in a way of comparism. What has he done? Pavements? What? C'mon, be objective mana, hajia. I know you don't the like Mallam, primarily because of Buhari, but to say that "at least munga tabarmar/pavement din kwankwaso" is just, well, a deliberate twist of the fact just to show Mallam as having done nothing. Allah ya tsare mu da irin su kwankwaso, amin.

So even if Mallam came to power by "default" (whatever that means) in 2003 as you claim, his victory in 2007 is a testimony that he had not let the people down. He won simply because the people liked what he did in his first term. And he won despite opposition from two major forces - Buhari and Obasanjo!!

Quote from: HUSNAA on September 25, 2008, 01:07:26 PM
He came to power by default.

people sabi criticism no be small, see how hajiya
used grammar scatter shekarau's 5 years of rural
transformation into this - chei.

as it relates to the topic of discussion which is the
presidency, you knew Shekarau distingushes himself
in so many areas.  What Nigeria needs is men with
integrity like him - as far as his records shows, he is
still at the top rank - keeping political interest aside.

To ya daina sai wa hakimai da sarakuna motoci. Kuma wannan m Musa Iliyasu kwankwason, bans san inda yaje ya digirgire ba... da ake lakana masa dr. Tunda ga saudia yake maida martani akan sayen motocin, wai gwamnatuns su tayi daidai... lol

Gaskiya ne Hajiya Husnaa. Shekarau lacks mission and vision at all. What a callow man he has turned to? What a shame for poeple of Kano State?

Talking about those so-called 'doctors' of this administration. Thats very much funny, wallahi. Don't you know, Husnaa? Ai they are many. LOL. viz: Dr. Musa Iliyasu Kwankwaso, Dr. Baffa Babba, Dr. Bala Kosawa to mention but three. And only one of them I can say he has diploma from Audu Bako College of Agric. Danbatta. Thats funny enough.

LOL,Muhsin da tonon asiri.
That Bala Kosawa guy i think is mentally retarded,Allah na tuba.

Like BKGZ i used to be an ardent supporter of Shekarau,wallahi har addu'a nake masa cos i had so much hope in him but after his first term i lost confidence.

Really if he has a vision then it is an unrealistic one.That human development vision.
The Kaduna state government is building a new city and they are going to link the city to abuja using the standard guage rail system(speed train).That is vision.

I couldnt beleive my eyes when i saw some pictures of what Lagos state is becoming.Har wani Clover garden na gani,na ce garin dadi na nesa. Imagine the governor has planted palm trees in those slums that used to be under the bridges.That is vision.

Amma Kano sai dai a ba wa tsangayu 900million,the vehicles he disbursed amount to more than 3billion.
I even heard some min of finance official saying that the Adaidaita sahu corporation's account is never audited. Badakala kawai.

BKGZ sorry but the whole ANPP project is unrealistic.Bad as e bad PDP is better.

LOL ;D ;D ;D GGNK.

Wallahi bana jin da ka fini san bawan Allah nan. Amma yanzu....aki kasuwa. :(

Quote from: gogannaka on September 27, 2008, 06:02:46 PM
Really if he has a vision then it is an unrealistic one.That human development vision.
The Kaduna state government is building a new city and they are going to link the city to abuja using the standard guage rail system(speed train).That is vision.

I couldnt beleive my eyes when i saw some pictures of what Lagos state is becoming.Har wani Clover garden na gani,na ce garin dadi na nesa. Imagine the governor has planted palm trees in those slums that used to be under the bridges.That is vision.

Amma Kano sai dai a ba wa tsangayu 900million,the vehicles he disbursed amount to more than 3billion.
I even heard some min of finance official saying that the Adaidaita sahu corporation's account is never audited. Badakala kawai.

BKGZ sorry but the whole ANPP project is unrealistic.Bad as e bad PDP is better.

If I hadn't known you, I wouldn't have bothered myself replying to these seemingly naive statements. I believe you are too much of an intellectual to fall into the typical Kano stupid political rantings and accusations. So now the cost of the vehicles bought is 3 Billion, right? Good. You got that from where? The usual dirty trash being spewed out by PDP on a daily basis on Freedom Radio? Or you heard that on the streets? You know, one thing I find funny and distasteful about Kano politics is the bandwagon effect, where everyone shift to the same love/hate side without any regard for objectivity, or sensible analysis of events.

You said Lagos is building a Clover garden. So Kano should have one, right? And Kaduna is building a newcity to link Abuja. So Kano should build a city as well, abi? Do you know how much Lagos gets on a monthly basis as internally generated revenue, plus federal allocation? Please get the figures and compare that with what Kano gets, taking into consideration that Kano is additionally more populous, before you make generalizations and dream of Clover Gardens. As for the Kaduna New City, am surpised you are eager to mention another state's governor's dream, and use it as a basis to criticise another governor. I'm sure if we are to go round the states in Nigeria, we will unearth  multitudes of such "vision" planned by the Governors. Politics my friend, politics.

Now lets talk about visions. Visions that you said Shekarau doesn't have because he 'only' care about Human Development. However, Kaduna State's governor has vision because he's building a New City with rail to link Abuja. Isn't it funny that Kaduna State's Governor dream of building a newcity to link Abuja (which has not even started) is considered by you to be realistic, while shekarau's human devt. programmes (which were already done and yielded some fruits) are not realistic! You are joking, aren't you? You see what I mean by Kano's brand of Bandwagon criticism? - "The gist in town is that Mr. "A" hasn't done anything, so lets join in the condemnation". Forget logic. Just join in the chorus.

Pray, what's the definition of vision? Can you go and look those thousands of people Shekarau employed (most of them sacked by PDP under kwankwaso) in the eye and tell them that Shekarau's human devt is not a vision? Can you go and look those people whose areas have never seen tap water until now, (kaman anguwan mu) in the eye and tell them that human devt. is not a vision? Can you go and tell those living around those several roads being constructed everyday, like Sarkin Yaki road (which was tattered since I was kid) and France Road ( which kwankwaso spends hundreds of millions on and which didn't last a year), Kwana Hudu, Hotoro GRA, etc, etc, etc, that shekarau has no vision? What is vision? Eh?

Quote from: HUSNAA on September 25, 2008, 10:59:41 PM
To ya daina sai wa hakimai da sarakuna motoci. Kuma wannan m Musa Iliyasu kwankwason, bans san inda yaje ya digirgire ba... da ake lakana masa dr. Tunda ga saudia yake maida martani akan sayen motocin, wai gwamnatuns su tayi daidai... lol

Hajia ga dukkan alamu, ba ki san yadda siyasar kano take ba. Siyasa ce kawai ta rashin kunya da zagin shugabanni. Kada ma kiga laifin shekarau don yana hulda da irin su Musa Iliyasu.  In Kano it is imperative that you have their type in your camp. They are very critical for survival. Believe me when I say that without them, a governor cannot survive a year. When you have ***** people like Rimi and Kwamkwaso, who believe power should be got through whatever means (both good and evil) as your opponents, you just have to get 'protection'. It is funny that you ppl are quick to mention Musa Iliyasu, Lawal K/Mata, but oddly enough conviniently forget the PDP thugs created by Kwankwaso & Co., for the single purpose of harrasing opposition party members. People like Ali Baba, Baba Impossible, Lili Gabari etc have no job but to heckle and insult on a daily basis. In a nutshell, Shekarau has no option but to play them at their game. It is the only way to survive in Kano politics. Ai da ba haka ya fara ba. Shi ma ba girma ba arziki dole ya nema ya hada tafiyar sa da irin su. Otherwise, da wallahi da sun hana shi sakat a Kano. You need to be here to understand the nature of the dirty irresponsible politics being played.

BKGZ,ni ma duk nayi irin wannan kare Shekarau din.
Infact har a board din nan ma haka,some of my friends even think i have something gaining from Shekarau and it would surprise you to know that  stopped listening to freedom radio's Kowanne Gauta because of those illicit rantings na yan siyasa musamman ma 'yan PDP.

But fact remains fact BKGZ, Shekarau lacks the Vision to take Kano forward.He lacks the vision to rightly place Kano where it is supposed to be as the most populous state in Nigeria.
In terms of monthly federal allocation, apart from the Niger Delta states,Kano gets the highest allocation from the federation reserve.

You talk about Kano being the most populous state,i am sure you are aware how the population has outstretched the infrastructure. A visionary leader would have since created satellite towns or new cities better than the existing one. As the most populous state in Nigeria,how many houses has the Shekarau administration successfully built and handed over? The only ones i am aware of are some 12 units in Kumbotso-zawachiki area.Haba don Allah,13 million inhabitants and they build 12,kai lets say ma 100 houses. Find out how many Borno,gombe,jigawa etc have built.
Even kwankwaso built the mariri and zawachiki estates that had more than 300 units combined.You can say that they were non qualitative but still,half a bread is better than none.
So BKGZ, YES, Kano should (should have) built new cities since. They don't have to depend on monthly allocation for God's sake,the PPP is the fastest growing developmental approach now.That is what abuja,kaduna,lagos and everyone(but Kano) is opting for.

Regarding the internally generated revenue,isn't is laughable that Kano being the commerce center of northern nigeria generates a meagre amount. The leaders of lagos have a vision. They harnessed their potentials,being the biggest IR earner, they digitised their revenue collection in such a way that multiple taxation as well as siphoning govt revenue by revenue collectors was avoided.Go and see how they do their motor vehicle license.Abun mamaki wai sai Bauchi state ce take son ta yi implemanting such a system.

Shekarau yana tituna quite alright but with the pace of devt,he should do more.
Rufin asirin shi daya da aka fara triplization project din nan cos what is the essence the cars have doubled and the roads remain as the were.These roads were planned to take a certain number of vehicles but now that number has been quadrupled so don ka wani gyara titi you are not solving matters.You are just subjecting the streets to more stress,ask the civil engineers.

Kai i better stop.
My friend came over for sallah from Adamawa,he hadn't been to kano for like 4 years. He told me he saw physical changes in all the states he passed through except Kano.He didn't see any new change in banda the 'one side bigger than the other side' titin gidan gwamna and the new TV at the silver jubilee round about.
Allah ya kawo mana cii gaba wannan gari.


Back to the thread topic.
Supreme court ruling is on the 23rd.
Buhari says yar'adua has never called him or contacted hm since he became president.
Comment.

i think you guys opposing shekarau's administration need
to revisit and recollect your past when he assumed office
in 2003.  Though not leaving in Kano, but shekarau's legacies
have cut across all the northern States, as it can be boasted
as one Governor that has changed the meaning of politics
within a short period of time.

I still insist that if at all the decision to search for a befitting
Presidential candidate arises between our northern governors,
there is no doubt shekarau is going to lead with out a second
option.

Kanawa, thank Allah for giving you a leader with the fear of
Him and the will to take people to a promise land.

back to the thread:

Me kace GGNK? did you mean the Old General? if yes, dont
mind him, lamarin Buhari yana bukatan addu'a seriously,
because his quest for leading Nigeria is maturing to lust, as
he is still insiting that the court annule the election or declare
him the new president - tufikwa.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 03, 2008, 10:49:40 PM
i think you guys opposing shekarau's administration need
to revisit and recollect your past when he assumed office
in 2003.  Though not leaving in Kano, but shekarau's legacies
have cut across all the northern States, as it can be boasted
as one Governor that has changed the meaning of politics
within a short period of time.

I still insist that if at all the decision to search for a befitting
Presidential candidate arises between our northern governors,
there is no doubt shekarau is going to lead with out a second
option.

Kanawa, thank Allah for giving you a leader with the fear of
Him and the will to take people to a promise land.

back to the thread:

Me kace GGNK? did you mean the Old General? if yes, dont
mind him, lamarin Buhari yana bukatan addu'a seriously,
because his quest for leading Nigeria is maturing to lust, as
he is still insiting that the court annule the election or declare
him the new president - tufikwa.

Dan Borno dan Allah dai na magana like this. Shekarau will make one of the worst presidents in Nigeria. Ina amfanin wai a ce kai mai gaskiya and yet you cant enforce the rule of gaskiya on your minions and ministers. There's no point. I'd rather have a dynamic leader who will work to develop my state and do his shenanigans on the side than one who does nothing but kwaskwarima as GGNK points out lets his minions siphon off the allocated revenue and at the end of the day, there is nothing much to show for all the billions of naira kano gets. Kuma ma a daidai ta sahu should not be top priority. Befor u decide to change the moral outlook of a ppl, take care to prevent the situations that make them morally bankrupt and nothing in this society precipitates moral bankruptcy as poverty, something which Shekarau is not doing so much about.

Allah Ya Sa Janar da Atiku su sami galaba akan Yar adua. I believe that the supreme court should really look at the COMPETENCY of the president in their decision to either award him victory or not.

Kaduna State Governor, Namadi Sambo, has declared that plans have been concluded to introduce a fast rail service that would run from Kaduna to Abuja.
This is as a result of successful re-introduction of rail transport within the state, which runs daily shuttles through four local government areas of the state.
Sambo said the rail service would take only an hour for those travelling from Kaduna to Abuja, and would impact positively on acute shortage of housing  faced by workers in Abuja, as the rail service would make it possible for people to go to Abuja in the morning and come back to sleep in Kaduna.
Government has also concluded plans to expand the intra-city rail transport which hitherto runs through four local governments, to cover  14, with two-minutes stop at each of the 21 terminal stations along its route, charging N20 only as the fare.
Director of Personnel, Kaura Local Government, which now enjoys the service after its expansion, noted that rail transport has now become the preferred means of transportation for the masses,  due to its affordability and the most comfortable means of transportation, which also enables famers to easily convey their produce to the city centre without any problem.

VISION

Quote from: gogannaka on October 06, 2008, 10:54:47 AM
Kaduna State Governor, Namadi Sambo, has declared that plans have been concluded to introduce a fast rail service that would run from Kaduna to Abuja.
This is as a result of successful re-introduction of rail transport within the state, which runs daily shuttles through four local government areas of the state.
Sambo said the rail service would take only an hour for those travelling from Kaduna to Abuja, and would impact positively on acute shortage of housing  faced by workers in Abuja, as the rail service would make it possible for people to go to Abuja in the morning and come back to sleep in Kaduna.
Government has also concluded plans to expand the intra-city rail transport which hitherto runs through four local governments, to cover  14, with two-minutes stop at each of the 21 terminal stations along its route, charging N20 only as the fare.
Director of Personnel, Kaura Local Government, which now enjoys the service after its expansion, noted that rail transport has now become the preferred means of transportation for the masses,  due to its affordability and the most comfortable means of transportation, which also enables famers to easily convey their produce to the city centre without any problem.

VISION

Heard about that GGNK, and I am impressed. Really am. Kai ko a takarda ne kawai, at least it gives one an idea that the guy knows whats he's doing.

I assure you it is not only on paper.Those inter local govt lines exist and are functional.

Imagne how it would have been if all the northern governors put their heads together and each state rehabilitate the existing rail systems. I wonder what they even discuss at that their northern governors forum. No economy is boosted without a good rail network. It is very vital to develoment.

Yeah! That is vision and if all Governors in the north would work together, each in his state! a lot of problems of transportations and likes would be solved! But would they?! ??? ??? ???

Quote from: gogannaka on October 03, 2008, 09:00:38 PM
BKGZ,ni ma duk nayi irin wannan kare Shekarau din.
Infact har a board din nan ma haka,some of my friends even think i have something gaining from Shekarau and it would surprise you to know that  stopped listening to freedom radio's Kowanne Gauta because of those illicit rantings na yan siyasa musamman ma 'yan PDP.

But fact remains fact BKGZ, Shekarau lacks the Vision to take Kano forward.He lacks the vision to rightly place Kano where it is supposed to be as the most populous state in Nigeria.
In terms of monthly federal allocation, apart from the Niger Delta states,Kano gets the highest allocation from the federation reserve.

You talk about Kano being the most populous state,i am sure you are aware how the population has outstretched the infrastructure. A visionary leader would have since created satellite towns or new cities better than the existing one. As the most populous state in Nigeria,how many houses has the Shekarau administration successfully built and handed over? The only ones i am aware of are some 12 units in Kumbotso-zawachiki area.Haba don Allah,13 million inhabitants and they build 12,kai lets say ma 100 houses. Find out how many Borno,gombe,jigawa etc have built.
Even kwankwaso built the mariri and zawachiki estates that had more than 300 units combined.You can say that they were non qualitative but still,half a bread is better than none.
So BKGZ, YES, Kano should (should have) built new cities since. They don't have to depend on monthly allocation for God's sake,the PPP is the fastest growing developmental approach now.That is what abuja,kaduna,lagos and everyone(but Kano) is opting for.

Regarding the internally generated revenue,isn't is laughable that Kano being the commerce center of northern nigeria generates a meagre amount. The leaders of lagos have a vision. They harnessed their potentials,being the biggest IR earner, they digitised their revenue collection in such a way that multiple taxation as well as siphoning govt revenue by revenue collectors was avoided.Go and see how they do their motor vehicle license.Abun mamaki wai sai Bauchi state ce take son ta yi implemanting such a system.

Shekarau yana tituna quite alright but with the pace of devt,he should do more.
Rufin asirin shi daya da aka fara triplization project din nan cos what is the essence the cars have doubled and the roads remain as the were.These roads were planned to take a certain number of vehicles but now that number has been quadrupled so don ka wani gyara titi you are not solving matters.You are just subjecting the streets to more stress,ask the civil engineers.

Kai i better stop.
My friend came over for sallah from Adamawa,he hadn't been to kano for like 4 years. He told me he saw physical changes in all the states he passed through except Kano.He didn't see any new change in banda the 'one side bigger than the other side' titin gidan gwamna and the new TV at the silver jubilee round about.
Allah ya kawo mana cii gaba wannan gari.


Back to the thread topic.
Supreme court ruling is on the 23rd.
Buhari says yar'adua has never called him or contacted hm since he became president.
Comment.

Goga, what you have to understand is that every state has its own areas of priority. If kaduna or lagos or wherever decides that newcities or housing estates is what they need, must that apply to kano as well? I mean, yes, Kano, like most cosmopolitan cities, needs new structures as far as housing is concerned. But should that be the priority of the govt? If I may ask you, how would you rank portable drinking water, roads, education and health against building new cities?' That's what you should consider before making comparism with other state's paper projects. I'm still surprised at how've become bessotted with other states' paper visions! In dai irin wadannan ne, ka manta shekarau had similar or even better-sounding projects, even before some governors start to think of them? Ko ka manta da International World Market, Kano Economic City Project, The IT Centre, etc? Ba irinsu bane kake ji wadansu gwamnoni suna fada, kana jin dadi kana cewa suna da vision? Now, the Niger State government has declared 2009 as the "Water Year", meaning they would embark on provision of portable water. Yanzu zaka ce sune suke da vision, ba shekarau ba, ko? I'm sure if Shekarau has attempted railroad rehabilitation, or newcity, people would've complained, saying he has no vision, since Kano's problem is water and dilapidated roads ::) Ko ba haka bane?

Incidently, I was at the Tamburawa Water Works during sallah just to see the place, and believe me you can't help but be impressed by the work done there. It is a gigantic project or international standard. Kuma an fara anfana da shi, tunda wurare da yawa sun fara samun ruwa. At least unguwannin mu are beneficiaries. While the process still goes on.

As for your friend that came from Adamawa and said he didn't see development, problem is people mistake development for only physical structures. And mind you, Kano is not like his state or other smaller states that a few physical structures stand out clearly for all to see. I bet if a census would be taken for the number of roads built within a metropolis in the northwest, the ones built by shekarau are better and more. Amma ai sun bace saboda yawan garin. You can build 4 roads in Yola and everyone see them the moment they enter town, while you can build 50 roads in Kano and they become "invisible". Dambu in yayi yawa, baya jin mai ;D

So to cut it short, i'm not saying Shekarau has excelled. I'm not saying he's infallible. I believe he has failed in some areas, just like it is my bbelieve that he done really well in other areas. I believe there are lots of work still to be done. What irks me is when people condemn outrightly, without any apparent reason but because either shekarau basu shiri da buhari, ko kawai yaji ana fadi ne, ko shi dan pdp ne, ko dai wani abu daban. If you want to criticise him, by all means do that as is your right. But lets be practical and intellectual in our analysis, not streetman's argument.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on October 06, 2008, 02:07:49 PM
Goga, what you have to understand is that every state has its own areas of priority. If kaduna or lagos or wherever decides that newcities or housing estates is what they need, must that apply to kano as well? I mean, yes, Kano, like most cosmopolitan cities, needs new structures as far as housing is concerned. But should that be the priority of the govt? If I may ask you how would u rank portable drinking water, roads education and health against building new cities?'

It should be in the same category of priority as roads water etc. Who ever said a government should have only one concern on its agenda?

Quote from: BKG
  I'm sure if Shekarau has attempted railroad rehabilitation, or newcity, people would've complained, saying he has no vision, since Kano's problem is water and dilapidated roads ::) Ko ba haka bane?

Lol ba haka bane! since muhalli is just as important a consideration as drinking water and roads etc

Quote from: BKGIncidently, I was at the Tamburawa Water Works during sallah just to see the place, and believe me you can't help but be impressed by the work done there. It is a gigantic project or international standard. Kuma an fara anfana da shi, tunda wurare da yawa sun fara samun ruwa. At least unguwannin mu are beneficiaries. While the process still goes on.

Aha! Now we know the cause for such adulation and support for our erstwhile tunnel vision gov

Quote from: BKGAs for your friend that came from Adamawa and said he didn't see development, problem is people mistake development for only physical structures. And mind you, Kano is not like his state or other smaller states that a few physical structures stand out clearly for all to see. I bet if a census would be taken for the number of roads built within a metropolis in the northwest, the ones built by shekarau are better and more. Amma ai sun bace saboda yawan garin. You can build 4 roads in Yola and everyone see them the moment they enter town, while you can build 50 roads in Kano and they become "invisible". Dambu in yayi yawa, baya jin mai ;D

If friend from Adamawa were to find Kano a tsabtace, it'd go some way to making the place look more developed, that is considering cewa gov Shekarau ya tabuka roads and etc. However, datti ma is enough to camouflage any effort na gyara that any govt does. Kuma Kano is infamous a yanzu for shara etc. So what is the govt doing about that? Naji wani wanda yake da ruwa da tsaki a al'amarin na cewa wai sun hada kai da kafa da kamfanonin da suke yin ledojin, za a rika recycling din ledojin. So in the meantime, za su employing YARA (!!) :o suri ka bi suna tsintar ledojin. That would generate an economy for the kids and their parents or something to that effect. Needless to say, I AM SHOCKED! Isnt this a form of child exploitation? The other implication of this is that these kids za su rika bi bola bola suna tsintar ledoji. I know it happens at the present moment, but I am under the impression its one of the things that is frowned upon. Besides, hasnt anyone considered the health hazards inherent in such a venture for the children? Wai why is it that ppl dont think things thro ne, when they bring up such hair brained solutions? Why not properly employ ppl and pay them a regular salary to do this work? Wa'yansu iyayen yaran will welcome such such an employment,becos it helps them to maintain the kids and keep them from being the ones employed to do such awful things. Haba! >:(

Quote from:  BKGSo to cut it short, i'm not saying Shekarau has excelled. I'm not saying he's infallible. I believe he has failed in some areas, just like it is my bbelieve that he done really well in other areas. I believe there are lots of work still to be done. What irks me is when people condemn outrightly, without any apparent reason but because either shekarau basu shiri da buhari, ko kawai yaji ana fadi ne, ko shi dan pdp ne, ko dai wani abu daban. If you want to criticise him, by all means do that as is your right. But lets be practical and intellectual in our analysis, not streetman's argument.

Without apparent reason? Lallai u have a short memory BKG! What about the senseless waste of money on Hakimai? Wouldnt that money have been better spent on somethings? and dont no one give me that jizz about tafi da ayukkansu. The total sum of ayyukan su doesnt justify the stupendous waste of resources especially when kids still sit on the dirt floors and have no window shutters in their classrooms and when u have kids jammed packed into a class meant for 40 students at the most. Sannan kuma u get some clowns saying that it was becos Shekarau had made ilimi sa available in Kano that u have 100 pupils to a class.. such dribble.... tssuii >:( >:( >:( >:( 

Hey ladies and gentlemen, don't distract away my
thread from its original content.  We are talking about
the Old Retired Janar not Shekarau.

Did you hear the latest news on Janar?  the guy is out
for a show, he is trying to initiate a new party since
from all indication he has lost hope in the supreme
court and his party ANPP will not give him ticket.

this is a big mistake, kuma su Galadima ne suke ta zuga
shi.   I doubt much if this new party will ever bring a
single seat, even at ward level.

Quote from: HUSNAA on October 06, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
It should be in the same category of priority as roads water etc. Who ever said a government should have only one concern on its agenda? 9

And whoever said Shekarau's govt has only one concern?

Quote
 Lol ba haka bane! since muhalli is just as important a consideration as drinking water and roads etc

Wrong. The issue of housing is not so much of a problem in Kano as water and roads.

QuoteAha! Now we know the cause for such adulation and support for our erstwhile tunnel vision gov

To karya ne ruwan? Mun gani kuma mun sha!! Ai zahiri ne ba badini. Of course dole in yaba masa. Don yayi abinda gwamnoni dabandaban suka kasa yi. He made significant progress towards solving a more than 30 years problem as far as we are concerned. Ba za muyi butulci ba. Duk wanda yayi mai kyau dole ne mu yaba masa. Ba boyo, ba nuku-nuku, ba nunkufurci!

QuoteIf friend from Adamawa were to find Kano a tsabtace, it'd go some way to making the place look more developed, that is considering cewa gov Shekarau ya tabuka roads and etc. However, datti ma is enough to camouflage any effort na gyara that any govt does. Kuma Kano is infamous a yanzu for shara etc. So what is the govt doing about that?

Good. One of the areas that I confess Shekarau has failed.  Ni gaskiya nake fadi.

QuoteWithout apparent reason? Lallai u have a short memory BKG! What about the senseless waste of money on Hakimai? Wouldnt that money have been better spent on somethings? and dont no one give me that jizz about tafi da ayukkansu.

I gave some of the reasons ppl hide behind to justify their senseless attack on him. And, eh, you can't runaway from the fact that our traditional rulers play significant roles in our lives. They are the ppl closer to us. In most cases they are the first points of solace and comfort in times of crisis. You would be amazed if you hear what they're paid. Some (from mai unguwa to dagaci) earn something like N200, while some earn just N7000 per month! Yet these are the people we run to when our kids get missing, when rigimar aure ta cakude, ko ta gona, ko rigimar fadace-fadace, da dai makamantansu.  So, if the governor deems it fit to buy vehicle for them so be it. You and I may not agree with it. We may not agree it is justifiable. But these are political times. I have since learned to take the good with the bad. Some states did it before kano, while others have since did the same thing like The FCT, Zamfara state, Nassarawa state. You know why? Because it came to light that the provision for such is always being made in all the local governments budgets to the tune of N5million per district head, on a yearly basis. Of course the  cars would not be bought, while the money will just disappear. Every year. So the governors (those that implemented) decided to buy and stop the manipulation in the LG budget. Amma da yake Shekarau shi ne karkatacciyar kuka mai dadin hawa, shi kawai ake ta zagi kullum. Sauran jihohin ba ruwansu. Koda yake abinda muka fi iyawa kenan a Kano - kushe da batanci a koda yaushe.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 06, 2008, 04:15:09 PM
Hey ladies and gentlemen, don't distract away my
thread from its original content.  We are talking about
the Old Retired Janar not Shekarau.

Did you hear the latest news on Janar?  the guy is out
for a show, he is trying to initiate a new party since
from all indication he has lost hope in the supreme
court and his party ANPP will not give him ticket.

this is a big mistake, kuma su Galadima ne suke ta zuga
shi.   I doubt much if this new party will ever bring a
single seat, even at ward level.

Sorry DB ;D

I share your view about Buhari. Whatever party he form, or joined, ba za'a wanye lafiya da shi ba. Because he's that type of person that believes only him is honest and sincere, while his words and deeds should be wahayi.  So woe betide whoever disagrees with him. And to make matters worst, he's surrounded by clowns like Galadima and glorified area boys like Haruna Danzago. These are the people that enstranged him from the party and caused all the intra-party problems, especially in Kano, his acclaimed stronghold. I'm surprised that someone like him should be surrounded by such guys, kuma duk abinda suka gaya masa dashi yake aiki. Wato ma in ya zama president irin su Danzago da Buba Galadima ne Kitchen Cabinet :o ;D Allah ya kiyaye.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on October 06, 2008, 05:35:29 PM
So the governors (those that implemented) decided to buy and stop the manipulation in the LG budget. Amma da yake Shekarau shi ne karkatacciyar kuka mai dadin hawa, shi kawai ake ta zagi kullum. Sauran jihohin ba ruwansu. Koda yake abinda muka fi iyawa kenan a Kano - kushe da batanci a koda yaushe.

To ni ai shi kadai nasani. Ko kuwa ni yar jihar jigawa ce ko zamfara?

PS muna son janar din mu duk yadda yake, Haruna Danzago, Galadima, warts and all. Long Live Janar Buhari! Sai kayi! Yr word is law! Ur essence a prerequisite! Yr presence a cure for sore eyes!
Buhari! Buhari!Buhari! Buhari!Buhari! Buhari!Buhari! Buhari! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Quote from: HUSNAA on October 06, 2008, 06:45:38 PM

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on October 06, 2008, 05:35:29 PM
So the governors (those that implemented) decided to buy and stop the manipulation in the LG budget. Amma da yake Shekarau shi ne karkatacciyar kuka mai dadin hawa, shi kawai ake ta zagi kullum. Sauran jihohin ba ruwansu. Koda yake abinda muka fi iyawa kenan a Kano - kushe da batanci a koda yaushe.

To ni ai shi kadai nasani. Ko kuwa ni yar jihar jigawa ce ko zamfara?

Does it even matter? Ke yar Katsina ce da kika makale wa Buhari? :D Su kansu katsinawan sun dade da watsar da shi.

QuotePS muna son janar din mu duk yadda yake, Haruna Danzago, Galadima, warts and all. Long Live Janar Buhari! Sai kayi! Yr word is law! Ur essence a prerequisite! Yr presence a cure for sore eyes!
Buhari! Buhari!Buhari! Buhari!Buhari! Buhari!Buhari! Buhari! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tut tut. ::) Now who's guilty of adulation? ;D

DB, tell us what happened then at court?

I don't understand that big question mark avatar above?

Wallahi I barely listen to news these days because of exams. Though I heard of an interview with The General conducted by BBC Hausa's reporter Nura Ringim at KD. I pity the man. He still thinks he can win at the court. LOL...an irony.

DB sorry make you give us chance make we air our views.
BKGZ ka san kuwa motocin har da yan majalisar tarayya da na jiha ya sai wa.
4.5 mill X (24+44).
Pls if you have anyway da nima zai sai min motar to ka taimake ni.I would love to have one.I'm serious.

Quote from: gogannaka on October 09, 2008, 12:37:09 PM
BKGZ ka san kuwa motocin har da yan majalisar tarayya da na jiha ya sai wa.
4.5 mill X (24+44).

So you think that's a new, absolutely exclusive phenomenom? This practice is new only in Kano, that's why people here find it strange. In most states, people don't even bat an eyelid cos its being going on since the inception of this "democracy". Case in point, Katsina state. Anan har ma da kwamishinoni da ire-irensu aka saiwa motocin. I'm not saying buying cars for 'yan majalisa is right, because I'm sure they have their Vehicle Allowances. This is very different from buying for traditional/district heads.

Quote from: gogannaka on October 09, 2008, 12:37:09 PMPls if you have anyway da nima zai sai min motar to ka taimake ni.I would love to have one.I'm serious.

;D ;D ;D Haba mutumin, abin har da tsokana? In kura na maganin zawo.......

GGNK,
Read this interesting piece about Shekara's jeep...

http://www.dailytrust.com/content/view/20149/74/

What makes me wonder much is the number of these jeeps that according to the writer were given away. He says: "Ibrahim Shekarau to dish out 122 flashy cars to traditional title holders of various status and notable politicians in the state." Is that true?

Buhari bashi da team now.
He is surrounded by like 9 people who used to enjoy life in those days but who are struggling to be in the lime light once again. That TBO is his major obstacle.

GGNK, i never say you shouldnt air your view, kashiga hankalinka
ko kuma in fallashe ka in front of Bakangizo -

Just like what BakanGizo said, these cars Shekarau bought is nothing
compared to other expenses that are far less important to the
masses.  and sometime, its not anything that these media houses
say that one will stick to.  Government has so many ways of doing things,
it is not necessary that people must be told details of government
businesses - may be Shekarau entered an agreement with a bank to
supply these vehicles to be paid in years without directly affecting the
economy and purse of the State while the beneficiaries enjoy these
cars at the same time.    Everybody knows the kind of role our
traditional rulers play in our present day Nigeria, they deserve even
better than what shekarau did, i think i wouldnt enjoy seeing the
Shehu of Borno riding an old unserviceable car to an international
meeting. 

Other Governors should emulate Shekarau and find a means of acquiring
better car to our traditional rulers.

Shiyasa irinsu Husnaa suke son Buhari, because he still thinks the traditional
rulers are nothing .......

If I am not mistaken, Oct 23 has been scheduled for the day
both parties are going to adopt their briefs of argument at
the Supreme Court where Buhari and Atiku are challenging the
legitimacy of this government.  On that day, the supreme
court is going to (may be) announce a definite date for its
ruling:

PREDICTION:
The Supreme Court will upheld the election of Yar'adua and
proves it legitimacy - this will brings us to the end of the old
Janar's boasting that the election will be cancelled or he will
be declared winner of the election.

@ YAR'ADUA
When this case is over, I advise you give this man PTF to
handle so that he will not be a problem when your TAZARCE
comes. ;)

Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 16, 2008, 05:45:02 PM
If I am not mistaken, Oct 23 has been scheduled for the day
both parties are going to adopt their briefs of argument at
the Supreme Court where Buhari and Atiku are challenging the
legitimacy of this government.  On that day, the supreme
court is going to (may be) announce a definite date for its
ruling:

PREDICTION:
The Supreme Court will upheld the election of Yar'adua and
proves it legitimacy - this will brings us to the end of the old
Janar's boasting that the election will be cancelled or he will



be declared winner of the election.

@ YAR'ADUA
When this case is over, I advise you give this man PTF to
handle so that he will not be a problem when your TAZARCE
comes. ;)

Ala sitirubukwi DB!! ;D ;D ;D

of course, its a way of compensating him all
the troubles his talakawa's has caused him,
kuma tunda juninsa yi wa talakawa aiki ne,
ai sai bimillah, after all all the roads he laid
have turned from bad to worst.  yazo ya gyara.

DB,

Baka bamu mun sha what happened yesterday at court?

The Old Janar should learn from John Mccain pls,
kada ya bata lokacin mutane a kotu

Gaskiyane, DB. Hakan zai sa siyasarmu ta cigaba.

Nigerian court to rule on presidential election

The Associated Press
Wednesday, December 10, 2008

ABUJA, Nigeria: The Supreme Court will hand down its verdict Friday in a lawsuit by top Nigerian political opposition leaders who seek an annulment of the 2007 election won by President Umaru Yar'Adua, lawyers involved in the case said.

Mike Ahamba, a lawyer for one-time military strongman Muhammadu Buhari, said Wednesday that the top court had indicated in a filing that it will hand down its ruling Friday.

Festus Keyamo, a lawyer for former Vice President Atiku Abubakar, said he had yet to receive official notification, but that he understood the verdict was to be handed down on Friday in the capital, Abuja.

Buhari and Abubakar placed second and third in the April 21, 2007 vote that was marred by rigging and intimidation and deemed not credible by European Union election observers.

A lower court ruled earlier this year that the opposition leaders had failed to prove that the fraud was so pervasive that the official results should be discarded.

If the Supreme Court were to overrule the lower court and order new elections, a caretaker government led by the speaker of the House of Representatives would arrange a new vote. But many Nigerians fear chaos in the ensuing power vacuum.

The vote was meant to cement democratic rule in Africa's most populous nation of 140 million people, which had never before seen power peacefully transferred between two civilian leaders. But thugs openly stuffed or stole ballot boxes, purchased votes or intimidated voters.

Yar'Adua, who wasn't involved in setting up the balloting, has acknowledged voting deficiencies and has ordered his administration to strengthen electoral practices.

Nearly a dozen governorship elections held a week before the presidential ballot have been overturned and several new races run.

Nigeria has been beset by military coups d'etat and corrupt rule since its independence from Britain in 1960. While the country boasts Africa's biggest oil industry, most Nigerian people live in abject poverty.

http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=18557210

thanks muhsin for updating this page

Yar'adua yasha da kyar - wai بهمري كما سي اكوم دورا

Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 12, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Yar'adua yasha da kyar - wai بهمري كما سي اكوم دورا

Ubangiji ya kyauta

The suprime court upholds Yar-Adua's election? Lol ;D That hasn't come to me with an iota of surprise. Exactly what we darned well know would certainly happen. And it did. Very funny yet sad.

So the daylight robbery was upheld ;D No mamaki there. It's what we all know would happen. Allah ya isa. Allah mai yi wa azzalumi jinkirine zuwa wani lokaci. Abin da na sani shine, Allah sai ya damke su daya bayan daya. In ba a duniya ba, a lahira.

No comment.. too speechless with disgust

Here is what i find most interesting about the judgement.
The minority verdict as delivered by Justice Ogundade.

"The inevitable conclusion I arrive at, is that the failure of the 1st and 2nd Respondents (the Independent National Electoral Commission and Maurice Iwu) to use serialized ballot papers bound in booklets is clearly a non-compliance which shows that the 2007 presidential elections were not conducted substantially in accordance with the principles of the Electoral Act, 2006.

"The court below should have nullified the said elections for this reason.

"The court below went on to say that the petitioner/appellant did not show that the failure to use serialized ballot papers and have same bound in booklet substantially affected the result of the election. With respect to their Lordships of the court below, they were wrong in their view.

"They failed to bear in mind that the printing of serialized ballot papers and bound in booklets was an act to be performed before the elections were conducted.

"The said act therefore was a condition precedent to the holding of the elections. When a provision of the law requires an act to be performed before taking any further steps and that act is not performed, the further steps taken may amount in law to a nullity.

"The reasoning of the court below would appear to be curious. They proceeded on the basis that the elections conducted with ballot papers unauthorized by law was valid; and then turned round to ask the petitioners/appellants to prove that the same election was invalid for non-compliance.

"They unwittingly put the cart before the horse. That was a strange way to reason for a court. A court could not first assume that a disputed act was valid and then place on the plaintiff the onus of proving the invalidity of the same act when what was in dispute was the constitutive elements which would lead to a pronouncement of the validity of the Act.

"Even on the supposition that the burden to prove that the failure to use the ballot papers which did not conform to the law did substantially affect the result of the election was on the petitioner/appellant, it is my firm view that the petitioner/appellant discharged the burden.

"A ballot paper not in conformity with Section 45(2) in prima facie an act of non-compliance. It is therefore an invalid ballot paper. Since it is the same invalid ballot paper that converts later in the process of an election into a vote, the resulting vote must also become an invalid vote."

"It was never the case of the respondents that the unserialised ballot papers were only used in some of the States in Nigeria. If that were their defence and the court below had found that this was truly the case, that would have placed on the court below the duty to determine what percentage of the votes cast at the election was valid or invalid. "If the 4th and 5th respondents (Yar'Adua and Goodluck Jonathan) would still have won by a majority of the valid votes, the petition was liable to fail. But in this case, all the ballot papers used to cast votes for all the candidates in the election were invalid," he said.

"According to Oguntade, the result is that each of the candidates at the Presidential elections 2007 scored zero or no votes. An invalid ballot paper cannot yield a valid vote. Clearly therefore, the petitioner/appellant in my view succeeded in making the case that the non-compliance with Section 45(1) of the elections Act, 2007 substantially affected the result of the election.

He ruled: "Let me reiterate very respectfully that the lower court erred by not coming to the conclusion that each of the candidates at the election scored zero as no valid votes were recorded for any of them."

It is rather sad that the Ballot papers are not serialised.How could one then identify if it is government issued or otherwise?
INEC must serialise the ballot papers of the next election if not the same thing will happen.
Yar'adua narrowly escaped because he got 4 out of the 7 votes of the Judges.

GGNK, judgements delivered at the SC is God-Intervened
Judgement and shouldnt talk too much about it.  Lets now
concentrate on what will come next in 2011.  As for me
I will join the crusade against the Presidency of Buhari
along with Sule Lamido of Jigawa State:

this is what he says:

''If any meaningful and good citizen of this country is given a chance to choose between Atiku, Buhari and Yar'Adua, I am sure he would go for Yar'Adua,because it is not an emotional thing, it is a real thing.You cannot compare Buhari and Yar'Adua in terms of capacity, content and intellectuality,''

'Yar'Adua is a very focussed, pronounced and committed leader who Nigerians are looking up to for the progress of our country economically and politically. He really knows what is law and order and he respects them beyond your imagination, And he was never a tyrant, but Buhari is a  tyrant. If you look between Buhari, Atiku and Yar'Adua, it is very clear just like heaven and hell.''

''Thank God that the Supreme Court has upheld the Court of Appeal's verdict and the decision of the Supreme Court is final and the election of Nigeria is a very clear issue that needs to be supported by all good Nigerians,"

resurrecting my old thread instead of giving birth to a new
one, especially when it relates to the old janar and his own
way of doing politics.

the news is everywhere, though many expected him to leave
ANPP long before now.  
(http://maxsiollun.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/buhari2.jpg)

despite pressures from other parties, the old janar refused to
any due to the fear of repeating the same mistakes as he said.

congress for progressive change CPC is the new party janar is joining
and very soon the party will spring into action and only god knows
how the party is going to survive the team of draculars waiting
for him.

as far as politics is concern in nigeria, buharis political ambition has
come to an end, because this new party cant even win the seat of
councillorship as the founders and leadership of the party are all
men and handy work of the old janar - su baba galadima Allah ba
da sa'a.

mu kam muna nan daram a ANPP and we are going to prove to the
whole world by presenting our unanimous candidate Sardaunan
Kano Malam Ibrahim Shekarau that our overwhelming victory is
not all about Buhari but the visions in the party.

enjoy the weekend brothers.

ANPP has said that his exit is good riddance.
With crises set to engulf the PDP over the power vacuum, who knows whether it is God oaving way for either Shekarau or Buhari to become the next president.
God works in mysterious ways you know.

I won't go as far as saying Buhari leaving ANPP is 'good riddance...". Sure his presence in the party has been distruptive, no thanks to the TBO. Buhari is the type of person that believes only in, eh, Buhari's ideology. He does not believe in compromise. I recognise tha fact that the leadership of  ANPP played a major role on the rift between him and the party. They abandoned him when he was contesting the last presidential robbery in court, going as far as taking positions in the same govt their presidential candidate was fighting. But to be honest Buhari's attitude and approach to politics is rather poor, and can result in him clashing with people, no matter which party he joins. His overbearing and "only me is right" stance on issues is not the best. It is unfortunate, because I feel he's the best candidate for this country in our present condition. Unfortunately he's not helping matters.

So like the PDP national Chairman, Vincent Ogbulafor said when asked about the new alliance btw Buhari and Atiku, "As they Gather, they will Scatter!"  ;D

GGNK AMIN TO YOUR PRAYER BUHARI YAZAMA PRESIDENT

Maikyau to ai gashi nan Bakangizo ya gama da siyasar Buharin kwata kwata and idan dai ba samun wadanda suka iya siyasar kwarai ba, siyasar najeriya, siyasar murdiya, siyasar makirci to ambition din shi sai dai a poster kawai.
Shekarau might stand a better chance.

kudai kanawa akwai ku da kabilanci ;D ;D ;D Buhari yayi mun gani and we know he is able kuma barayi da munafukan Nigeria na tsoron sa.To me he is the best for Nigeria.

Waye ya nuna kabilanci a nan? On the contrary, there is no where in Nigeria that Buhari enjoys tremendous "blind" support like Kano. Ko a garinsu ba'a son shi kamar yadda ake son shi a Kano.

Quote from: maikyau on February 10, 2010, 01:20:57 PM
Buhari yayi mun gani and we know he is able kuma barayi da munafukan Nigeria na tsoron sa.To me he is the best for Nigeria.

Sai kagayamana abubuwan da yayi saboda ci gaban
demokradiya a nigeria ko kuma a daura.

DB
Buhari bai samu dama ba under the current dispensation i believed his tenor would have been better than the previuos regime that spend 8 yrs,so maganar me yayi ma bai taso ba, and i believed irin labarin kazantar da muke ji a official circle under Buhari such things will surely be mininise to a manageable level.

ai kaine kace yayi mun gani, so i asked me yayi? the trouble with
you buharinism is that you forgot he used his uniform to instill fear
in the minds of nigeria just as what happened in maiduguri when
motor cycle law was enforced and every okada man must wear a
crash helmet - excessive force was used by special military squad
and like religion everyone was wearing a helmet.  Come to maiduguri
now, as if helmet was never produced, not even the police or military
men wear it because the military squad were asked to discontinue the
enforcement.

buhari under political dispensation lacks that power he used to have
when he was the head of state - please take note.

just as gogannaka was noting above, the intrigues and criminality
in the nigerian system especially when it comes to winning election
is far above buharis capability - gaskiya dokin karfe ko?  last saturdays
election is a very good example of how we play politics here and
if you cant do it this way, better get out and be an observer-critic.

ANPP SAI SARDAUNA
NIGERIA SAI ANPP
Mun gaji da shegiyar uwa mai kashe yayanta, gashi ta cinye yar'adua

DB, yaya akayi ka kaura daga feedeefee? Kai da ba 'Yaradua die-hard bane ;D

to ina dan adu'a din?

Af! Wato don baya nan, kun guje shi ko? Kai jama'a!

Ai shi DB dama where his bread is buttered is where you will find him. At the moment PDP has ceased to butter that bread and at present no one is buttering it, to so he is sitting on the fence at the moment looking at the lay of the land and where the wind will be blowing next. If it carries Kamshin Buhari in the air, he will certainly sniff it and follow it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Kai Kuma BKG baka da gwani. Haka kaiyi hattarar Ribadu fa. No one zai iya yin abin arziki a wurin ka. You forget that dan Adam tara ya ke bai cika goma ba. Weigh up a person's good points and his bad points and if the good points outweigh the bad, then sai a cigaba da hakuri da shi and keep giving him the benefit of the doubt but not summarily dismissing him, like that.
Back to DB, ka ce mai Buhari ya tabayi don democradiya ta ci gaba? To kai mai ka taba yi? At least we have PTF to remember Buhari by? Where is yr contribution?????? eh armchair critic? ::)

Quote from: HUSNAA on February 12, 2010, 10:20:13 PM
Kai Kuma BKG baka da gwani. Haka kaiyi hattarar Ribadu fa. No one zai iya yin abin arziki a wurin ka. You forget that dan Adam tara ya ke bai cika goma ba. Weigh up a person's good points and his bad points and if the good points outweigh the bad, then sai a cigaba da hakuri da shi and keep giving him the benefit of the doubt but not summarily dismissing him, like that.

Funny, because I haven't seen you apply that criteria on Shekarau  for instance. Ko shi bashi da anything good ne? In any case, I did not summarily dismissed Buhari (or anybody)? If anything, I try as much as possible to be balanced. I don't like Buhari's politics, his ways, but I've said here in several occasions that despite everything, he's presently the best man to rule Nigeria. Shi kuma Ribadu, ai whatever good he might have done, he has already tarnished it. Or did you see/hear anybody symphatising with him now?

Quote from: HUSNAA on February 12, 2010, 10:20:13 PM
Ai shi DB dama where his bread is buttered is where you will find him. At the moment PDP has ceased to butter that bread and at present no one is buttering it, to so he is sitting on the fence at the moment looking at the lay of the land and where the wind will be blowing next. If it carries Kamshin Buhari in the air, he will certainly sniff it and follow it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

gaskiyarki ne auntyn muhsin, it started tun lokacin colonial
masters, and as judge bush says, it is either you are with
us, or you are with them.  naija's politics is not about ideology,
it is about who wins the election, that is why you find it very
hard to differentiate between the numerous parties we have
in naija, this can be attested by the series of cross carpeting
going on in the country, a good case is malam isa yuguda.  so
we are always with the winning side.

above aside, buhari is not the man for nigerian politics and as
at now, royal rumble is going on in the new baby party and i
bet you it wont survive the frustrations of inec not to talk of
the billions of naira they will require.

for now, our hope for sardauna is rising at a galloping pace
with the absence of yar'adua we got a better chance to deal
with jonathan dishaishibli.

sardauna is the man for nigeria, considering his background and
the various policies and programmes he sets in kano is a clear
testimony and indeed he is respected by international community.
the years he spent in active civil service has exposed him to
numerous difficulties/challenges that now become active ingredients
to his style of leadership.

if sardauna becomes my president, not only nigeria, but africa will
experience a new dawn and africa's dream of forming USA will be
actualize.

join us before it becomes too late.

Quotefor now, our hope for sardauna is rising at a galloping pace
with the absence of yar'adua we got a better chance to deal
with jonathan dishaishibli.

sardauna is the man for nigeria, considering his background and
the various policies and programmes he sets in kano is a clear
testimony and indeed he is respected by international community.
the years he spent in active civil service has exposed him to
numerous difficulties/challenges that now become active ingredients
to his style of leadership.

if sardauna becomes my president, not only nigeria, but africa will
experience a new dawn and africa's dream of forming USA will be
actualize.

join us before it becomes too late.

Na waoo ! ;D Yaushe ka zama campaign coodinator din shi?

Talking about Buhari, just give it a little time, and the new party he joined would start tearing at the seams.

buhari's new party is facing serious problems of leadership.
this has been foreseen by many political gurus who concluded
that these problems could generate into crisis thereby hanging
the already dehydrated party.

in kano state for example, former senator rufa'i hanga who is
seen as a pro-buhari and also an insider during the formation
of the buhari's party is eyeing the seat of governorship under
the platform of the party which many see as incompetent.

while our call for buhari to retire from politics and support our
youth and in educating the populace, he should be very
careful with the crop of hyenas surrounding him, who are only
interested in the brand name 'buhari' and never wanted his
ideology.

retire baba buhari.

Ai dama duk wadannan da suka bi suka zuga shi suka a ANPP haka zasu dunguma su bishi can. Shi kuma kamar wani mara wayo.

Dan Allah ku kyale mana Buharin mu. Wai ba a ganin kowa sai shi? Wai baku ga wanda yake a kwance rai kwakwai mutu kwakwai ba har yanzu ya ki sakin mulki sai wanda yake da jini a jika, kosasshe lafiyayye, za ku saka wa ido??? to ahir!!! ;D ;D ;D
Kurwar sa da daci!!!!!! gara ma ku sake ta!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

the latest on news is that baba buhari, gaskiya dokin
karfe has issued a statement that his new party will
not give ticket to candidates that have been found to
be corrupt.

lol aiki jajir.

Lallai kam.

Ni dai ina ga Babangida zan yi idan ya fito.

Babangida kuma? Haba goga.

Gashi Buhari ya bar ANPP with the expectation of joining forces with the likes of Atiku to form the much touted Mega Party. To gashi kuma Atiku zai koma feedeefee.  Sun kai shi sun baro  ;D Kai mutanenan basu da dama  ;D

In ba za mu goya irin Janar baya ba, I pity the next genaration.
Namu generation din, gamu ga kamanin mu,!
Kannan bayan mu suma gashi nan komai sai da 'cin hanci' 'ko alfarma'! (daga samun Admission har neman aiki)
Abin mamaki shine rashin Dattawa a kasar nan.
Mafiwayan tsofafin namu sun zan 'yan handama ne kawai.
In Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau ya zama Shugaban kasa, haka zai ci gaba da cewa Barayin dukiyan al'Umma ""Allah ya isa"????
I have nothing against him as a person, but Governance has to be carried out with both compassion and a zero tolerance for corruption!!!!
Allah ya ceto kasar mu daga wanan batar basirar, Amin

kai mallam, bari na fada maka, janar ba kalan najeriya bane
a halin da ake ciki yanzu.

talakawama karya suke yi wa buhari, kuma yanzu zamu
tabbatar muku da cewa talakawa suna yaudarar baba buhari
ne kawai, tun da gashi ya bude sabuwar party, zamu ga ko
zasu zabe shi ko kuwa zasu bi party mai maiko maiko.

I believe Buhari's gonna make a strong show only in the north. Even then, in the Kano-Katsina-Zamfara-Jigawa axis.

Ba zamu taba gajiya ko kadan ba wajen kadawa Gen. Buhari kuri'a har sai lokacin da ya dai na fitowa takara, Allah ya kawo mana karshen wannan zalunci.

Bashir i understand your frustration.
Buhari is simply not electable.
Like Bakangizo said, he is just a local champion in the north,he doesn't have what it takes to win an election in Nigeria i.e a strong political group that knows all the mago mago of the Nigerian electoral system.
He does not also have the money. Yanzu kuma ya koma wani sabon party (ko an yi registering party din ma ban sani ba) at the wrong time and he has too little time to prepare for a presidential ambition.

irinsu bashir su suke zuga janar buhari, sa'annan idan ance musu
su fito ayi zanga zanga saboda zalunci ranar zabe, zasu makale
suki fitowa.

the theory by GGNK is very correct. you require 2/3 of the votes
even if bauchi, yobe and gombe is added to his box he can't win
the election, after all we dont even have his party in maiduguri
and so many other states.

a je a huta janar - nigeria kuma sai sardaunan kano.

Quote from: Bashir Ahmad on April 26, 2010, 10:35:20 PM
Ba zamu taba gajiya ko kadan ba wajen kadawa Gen. Buhari kuri'a har sai lokacin da ya dai na fitowa takara, Allah ya kawo mana karshen wannan zalunci.

Mallam Bashir, na yarda Buhari ya cancanci ya mulki najeriya, kuma shi nake zaba a zabubbukan da akayi a baya. Amma yadda yake tafiyar da siyasar shi a yanzu ba daidai bane. Zai yi kyau ya koma gefe, ya zama "elder", ya goya wa wani baya.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on March 23, 2010, 11:40:36 AM
the latest on news is that baba buhari, gaskiya dokin
karfe has issued a statement that his new party will
not give ticket to candidates that have been found to
be corrupt.

lol aiki jajir.

To DB in bahakan yayi ba ai gidan jiya za a koma kokuwa? Ga misali Yar adua wanda shi a karshen ta bai ci komai ba ( excepting his wife possibly) amma da yake mahandama yake tare da su kuma ya doddora su kan mukamai ai gashi sai baya ake ci. Ni ina fata BKG ya dawo da ga rakiyar Shekarau who has turned out (as expectd ) into a huge disappointment. Matan sa sai sharholiyar su suke yo a ingila da america, aje haihuwa da suna while kyankyasai na daka tsere a emergency wards din murtala mohd hospital and all the hand basins smell terribly of (E)urine

Update on Buhari's CPC

it is time we resist buhari's CPC because of its negative
effect during the forth coming election 2011.  the issue
is that the buhari's CPC will divert the attention of the
talakawa and in the end cannot fill out a candidate for
the party, especially at the grassroot levels.  voters will
end up voting CPC where there is no candidate and we
tend to loose the vote for nothing.

it is either buhari should with immediate effect make alliance
with better candidates in PDP or ANPP or any other
popular political party at hand.

QuoteNi ina fata BKG ya dawo da ga rakiyar Shekarau who has turned out (as expectd ) into a huge disappointment. Matan sa sai sharholiyar su suke yo a ingila da america, aje haihuwa da suna while kyankyasai na daka tsere a emergency wards din murtala mohd hospital and all the hand basins smell terribly of (E)urine

We are discussing Buhari, not Shekarau. As far as I'm concerned Shekarau is the best thing to have happened to Kano in recent times. Given a chance I will vote him to govern Kano 10 times over again. These desperate and half-baked accusations of him just amuses me. It goes to show how desperate people are to just smear his name. It won't work. Allah Ya taya shi, Ya kara jan likkafarshi, amin.

QuoteUpdate on Buhari's CPC

it is time we resist buhari's CPC because of its negative
effect during the forth coming election 2011.  the issue
is that the buhari's CPC will divert the attention of the
talakawa and in the end cannot fill out a candidate for
the party, especially at the grassroot levels.  voters will
end up voting CPC where there is no candidate and we
tend to loose the vote for nothing.

it is either buhari should with immediate effect make alliance
with better candidates in PDP or ANPP or any other
popular political party at hand.

Spot on. Unfortunately, he won't see it that way. He's so consumed with the desire to be president that issues as clear as these do not appeal to him.  Ya riga ya shiga confusion. Kuma ma ai ba kowane party ne yanzu zai yadda Buhari ya shigo ba. Don kawai matsala da yamutsi zai kawo musu.

I SAY HE SHOULD RETIRE FROM POLITICS PRONTO!!!!

Gaskiya ina goyon bayan BKGZ.
Adawa aside, Shekarau is the best leader Kano has ever got.

DB an yi wa CPC din rajista ne?
Like u said, he will just divide the north and confirm the PDP candidate kawai.

Ni dai ina IBB for now.

Tsohon shugaban Najeriya, Janar Muhammadu Buhari mai ritaya, ya tabbatarwa BBC cewa, idan jam'iyyar sa ta CPC ta bashi tikiti, to zai tsaya takarar shugaban kasa a zaben shekara ta 2011.

Janar Buhari ya bayyana haka yayin da ya kai ziyara a dakin watsa labaranmu na London. A wannan makon ya gabatar da takarda a jami'ar Oxford akan kalubalen da siyasar Najeriya ta fuskanta a cikin shekaru goman da suka gabata.

Sau biyu Janar Muhammadu Buharin na tsayawa takarar shugabancin Najeriya ba tare da yayi nasara ba. Ya shigar da kararaki a kotu akan zargin cewa an tafka magudi a lokacin zabubukan.

Daga BBC.

madalla gogannaka da wannan rahoto.  ai dama wannan
shine aikin da ya rage wa baba buhari gaskiya dokin karfe,
kawai ya rika kai ziyarce ziyarce wa universities a cikin
nigeria da kewayenta, ya ci gaba da fadakarwa amma ba
wai ya tsaya takaran shugaban kasa ba.

kaga yanzu, if at all the ANPP meeting currently taking
place in Maiduguri can unanimously agree to sponsor sardaunan
kano for the presidential seat, a gaskiya da kyar PDP zata
sha tunda gashi ta fara zinye su ogbulafor, shegiyar uwa
mai kashe yayanta - ita ta cinye yar'adua.

Sadaunan kano ba zai ci prez election a kano ba ma let alone anywhere else in nig. DB kai baka san komai da ke faruwa ba a Kano. In za a bi ta record din abin da gwamnoni su ka aikata, ya zama mizanin zaben su shugaban kasa, shekarau will rank near the bottom. His rule is nothing but let everything take care of itself, watau milkin kara zube. What he and his cohorts do is take from peter to pay paul or something like that.... Bawani abin kirkin da mutumin nan ya aikata har titunan da ake yi! I recently went to the emergency ward of Murtala specialist hospital and cockroaches were having an afternoon on the floors. The hand basins meanwhile stank of rancid urine. It was within the same period of time that Rimi died and this man shekarau went off traipsing to America to talk to Nigerian expatriates and then flew to London to visit his wife who'd given birth there!!! I felt really bad when I heard about the giving birth in a London hospital and contrasted it to the conditions I saw at Murtala Specialist hospital.

where is bakangizo, this one na for you.

Quotewhere is bakangizo, this one na for you.

Haba DB, kai ma kasan gaskiya daya ce. Kuma daga kin ta, sai bata. Auntyn muhsin is just speaking like  the average "freedom radio' fan in Kano. I don't know which hospital she went to and saw coakcroaches. As if kokurocis are not part of our lives in naija  ::) ;D But on a serious note, wannan ma ai ba magana bane. Wai kokuroch!! mts. Sometimes, you feel it is pointless arguing these issues, because they tend to be too pedestrian. Ni dai na san, the best thing to have happenend to Kano in this dispensation is Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau. You can hate him with all your passion, you can close your eyes and dream laughable accusations like kokuroch, like he travelled to US, like his wife delivered in London, like... like.... Kai gasu nan dai abin abin dariya. No one can take away what he did. And is doing.

"Wane ku 'yan uba
Ta Allah, ba taku ba."

"Rabbi ga Mallam, amin
Yai hawan farko, amin
Yai hawa na biyu
Ga na uku, muna yi masa fata"!!!

Well one thing is for certain BKG, u are not able to refute my allegations!! The best rejoinder u can make is that u seem to think it normal that cockroaches should be a part of our lives, that is indirectly sanctioning the kazanta situation at the Murtala Specialist Hospital. To ni dai na ga abin da na gani, kuma cockroaches suna yawo a cikin ward din hospital is not a situation or condition that we should accept, even if these pests are a part of our lives and we see them everywhere. There should at least be some places where they should not be allowed in and hospitals more than anywhere should be those places where they are not supposed to be found. DB in kana son proof, all u have to do is go to the emergency ward any given day any time u come to kano and see for urself. Ba wani boyayyen abu bane, kuma ba wani abu ne that the govt is ashamed of ba, balle a ce something will be done about it soon enough.
Ku ma you are right I listen to Freedom Radio alot of the time, but they are not the reason why I dont like Shekarau that much. Kuma I think it is dictatorial of Kano state to assume that every station should sing its praises even where there are none to extol!! If the Kano state govt wants to be seen as cool, hip and happening, then it should first of all be cool hip and happening. UNfortunately it is not. It robs peter to pay paul, that is all that it does. Cuckolding us into thinking it is doing a great job. Suma mukarraban Shekarau din suna dawo wa daga rakiyar sa anyway.  I seriously believe that u BKG are Sagir Takai under the alias of BKG, otherwise this blind hero worship da ka ke wa Shekarau.. anya??? Ruwa baya tsami banza kuma akwai walakin goro a miya...................

haba auntyn muhsin, what has kenkeso got to do with the performance
of sardauna in office? with my little knowledge of administration, i knew
the chief medical director is responsible for the day to day activities of
the general hospital and each department has a head that oversees it
so, i see no reason why lapses from workers of general hospital can be
attributed to mai girma sardaunan jama'a kuma shugaban kasa mai jiran
gado.

kin sani, nima na sani, kuma kowa ya sani, lack of will and patriotism to
one's nation and state led most workers to be lazy in performing their
duty.  i am very sure akwai leburori that are on government's payroll
whose primary responsibility is to clean up the hospital, that is if at all
ba patients ne suke sabotaging na effort din leburorin ba, anything is
wrong in this country.

ki bimu a hankali husnaa, zamu kara miki scholarship, this time around
zamu tura ki kandahar.

Quote from: HUSNAA on May 18, 2010, 12:16:09 AM
Well one thing is for certain BKG, u are not able to refute my allegations!! The best rejoinder u can make is that u seem to think it normal that cockroaches should be a part of our lives, that is indirectly sanctioning the kazanta situation at the Murtala Specialist Hospital.

You don't understand. There's no allegation to refute. Why should I waste precious time arguing about coakroches? Your allegations are simply not worth refuting. What you saying is that the governor should personally see to it that teh hospital is cleaned. If you had said no cleaners were employed, or paid, then that has substance. I can respond to that. But when you talk of coackroches and trip to USA while Rimi is dead, that's too freedom-radio-like for me to answer. It's not not serious. In anycase, DB has answered that part.

QuoteKu ma you are right I listen to Freedom Radio alot of the time, but they are not the reason why I dont like Shekarau that much. Kuma I think it is dictatorial of Kano state to assume that every station should sing its praises even where there are none to extol!!

For the one millionth time, no one ask any radio station to sind the praises of the govt. I have never haerd it. Not to my knowledge. The issue here is that the ethics of the profession demands that any media outlet should be balanced in their reportage. Not to go on a crusade. Maybe you are not aware that their former GM has vowed to fight the govt as a result of his conflict with the govvt during the formation of the Sharia committee.

QuoteCuckolding us into thinking it is doing a great job.

Ba maganar thinking bane. Maganar seeing ne!. It is in black and white. The govt of Mallam Shekarau has done, is doing, and would continuee to do greeeeeeaaaaaaaaaat things in Kano.

QuoteI seriously believe that u BKG are Sagir Takai under the alias of BKG, otherwise this blind hero worship da ka ke wa Shekarau.. anya??? Ruwa baya tsami banza kuma akwai walakin goro a miya...................

Funny. Most likely the blind hero worship is to counter your blind hatred?

kai kai kai, this hurrican buhari is making destructions fa!!!
we supported yar'adua when he was presented by obasanjo,
we accepted jonathan after the death of yar'adua and we
continously propagate true spirit of democracy - however,
if truely buhari knows he is not going to make it, why should
he distract the attention of talakawas?

i met one of his supporters, and when i asked the full meaning
of the acronym CPC - yace, babu ruwansa, shi dai sai Baba
Bujari lol.

The waves Buhari is making is quite impressive.
It seems the CPC will check the leading opposition party,the ANPP, in no distant future.
Buhari,like many Nigerians,have high hopes that the 2011 elections are going to be free and fair.
Could this be a record breaker for him?
In this country,the trend is,whoever vies for the presidency so much never gets to get it.
Those that get the seat are those who were never expected to get it.
Shehu Yar'adua-Abiola-Buhari-Obasanjo(3rd term).

Quote from: Dan-Borno on July 26, 2010, 10:08:13 PM
kai kai kai, this hurrican buhari is making destructions fa!!!
we supported yar'adua when he was presented by obasanjo,
we accepted jonathan after the death of yar'adua and we
continously propagate true spirit of democracy - however,
if truely buhari knows he is not going to make it, why should
he distract the attention of talakawas?

i met one of his supporters, and when i asked the full meaning
of the acronym CPC - yace, babu ruwansa, shi dai sai Baba
Bujari lol.

Kai har ka bani dariya. If all eligible voters were to be asked the correct meaning of the party they will be voting for before they are allowed to cast their vote, 'na disaster be dat', i.e I do not think there will be many voters.
Ai a Nigeria we build 'people' rather than institutions. That is exactly one of our major challenges that we have to address.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on July 26, 2010, 10:08:13 PM
kai kai kai, this hurrican buhari is making destructions fa!!!
we supported yar'adua when he was presented by obasanjo,
we accepted jonathan after the death of yar'adua and we
continously propagate true spirit of democracy - however,
if truely buhari knows he is not going to make it, why should
he distract the attention of talakawas?
i met one of his supporters, and when i asked the full meaning
of the acronym CPC - yace, babu ruwansa, shi dai sai Baba
Bujari lol.

Lol, you echoed my thinking. His party's popularity is really restricted to the far north. Kano, Katsina, Bauchi etc. The party is actually making a strong showing in those places. I won't be suprised if they get a state or two and some LGs or NASS seats.  But in the presidential race, zai bata ruwa ne kawai ba don ya sha ba. Go beyond Lokoja, and you won't even know that a party CPC exists. So, he would create confusion here, scatter the votes of the people and that's that.

Quote from: gogannaka on July 27, 2010, 10:04:55 AM
The waves Buhari is making is quite impressive.
It seems the CPC will check the leading opposition party,the ANPP, in no distant future.
Buhari,like many Nigerians,have high hopes that the 2011 elections are going to be free and fair.
Could this be a record breaker for him?
In this country,the trend is,whoever vies for the presidency so much never gets to get it.
Those that get the seat are those who were never expected to get it.
Shehu Yar'adua-Abiola-Buhari-Obasanjo(3rd term).

Buhari's biggest problem is his low level of acceptability in the south and some parts of the north. So that might restrict the party's growth nationally. Remember that ANPP also struggled to keep a respectable presence in the south, leading to some calling it a northern party. So how much more of CPC, which is actually a one-man party? It would depend a great deal on how he forge real political alliance with political bigwigs over there. And this would need a lot of compromises and give-take gestures. And we all know Buhari is not too good at that. Sai ya canja halin shi. We wait and see.

bakangizo, let us make a simple assumption here from
past records.

South-West which comprises of (Lagos, Ondo, Oyo, Ogun,
Osun, Ekiti States)  has 12,198,605 registered voters.

South-East zone   which comprises of (Abia, Ebonyi, Enugu,
Imo, Anambra)  has 7,258,030 registered voters.

South-South comprising of (Bayelsa, Rivers, Cross River,
Delta, Edo, Akwa Ibom) also registered 8,991,625.

North-West with states like (Zamfara, Sokoto, Kebbi, Kaduna,
Katsina, Kano, Jigawa) has 15,161,193 registered voters.

North-East comprises of (Adamawa, Bauchi, Gombe, Borno,
Yobe, Taraba)  has 8,823,766 registered voters

North-Central comprising of (Niger, Nasarawa, Kwara, Kogi,
Plateau, Benue, Abuja) has 8,389,803 registered voters

now, lets put it this way

South-West Zone         12,198,605

South-East zone            7,258,030

South-South                  8,991,625

North-West                  15,161,193

North-East                     8,823,766

North-Central                 8,389,803

Let us assume that Buhari has some portions of North-West and
North-East kamar yadda Bakangizo yace, his strong holds are Kano
Bauchi, Katsina and may be some parts of Borno States.  The total
votes of NW & NE is 23,984,959 while the remaining zones will
produce 36,838,063 votes

Out of 23,984,959 votes, lets assume Buhari takes 50% which is
11,992,479 votes which cannot produce president for this country.

During the 2007 Presidential Election, General Muhammadu Buhari
with the support from ANPP (which is stronger than CPC even as at
now) was only able to get away with 6,605,299 votes while its opposition party
and the largest party in Africa (I am not part of it) scored 24,638,063
which produces HE Umaru Yar'adua.

Ya jama'an arewa, mu duba da kai, mu daina tunanin cewa arewa
it kadai ce a najeriya wanda zata yi zabe, mu rika la'akari da cewa
there are other zones and elections will be held just as it is been
held here too.

my observation and clarion call to the people is that we should not
allow General Buhari to contest the election, especially when it is
assumed that he is the candidate to represent the north.  Lets go for
a more acceptable candidate, some one that can cut across other regions
and come up with more votes.

We wish well for Buhari, he has served this country with all his strength
faithfully and his reward will be in heaven - JANAR A HAKURA DON ALLAH.     

Dan Borno wadannan figures din kuma daga ina? Were they maurice Iwu verified at all? If not they are not valid  ;D

I like the analysis, DB, even though the I don't know where you got your figures from  ;D Anyway, the figures might be contested, but the general idea of the analysis is right, though you didn't mention the fact that he would get votes in the south even if not a lot.

Very thoughtful and constructive post from Dan Borno. This is the sort of thinking that will allow Nigeria to move forward.

True

Are some posts deleted from this thread? I can't see some of my (and suleman's) posts. Abi my system is doing wuruwuru for me?

gaskiya nima jiya i was thinking the same, but then i let it
go.  there is a reply i did to both you and suleman nd its
not appearing at all.

BANG!  BANG!! BANG!!!

To, former Military Ruler, General Ibrahim Badamasi Babangida
and former Vice President to Olusegun Obasanjo, Alhaji Atiku
Abubakar have all declared their intention to contest the 2011
Presidential Election under the platform of PDP.

There is the possibility of them decamping to another party if
Goodluck has upperhand during the primaries.

If they did decamp, the only party available and ready to play
to their gallery is the ANPP.

If ANPP accepted them, then, there is also the possibility of both
IBB and Atiku to create an alliance.

If they create an alliance between themselves, then Buhari's hope
has been dashed by yet another obstacle.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on August 17, 2010, 09:47:36 AM

If they did decamp, the only party available and ready to play
to their gallery is the ANPP.

If ANPP accepted them, then, there is also the possibility of both
IBB and Atiku to create an alliance.

If they create an alliance between themselves, then Buhari's hope
has been dashed by yet another obstacle.

Har ka bani dariya  ;D Theories. But nothing is impossible in Nigerian politics. Okay, I know IBB is a "bigwig", and would be an asset for any party one way or the other, but won't it be folly for ANPP to accept another 'foreigner' just close to election and hand him/them the party's ticket at the expense of those who have been in the party and have toiling for long? The ANPP as a party has been used and dumped by such for so many times you can't even count. How many people have used the party as a ladder to gain political office only to dump it and return to thier former parties while still maintaining the position? So I would advise the party against accepting such new comers. Once beaten...

yeah, just as you said, nothing is impossible.
sometimes, as a party, you have no option
than to keep an alternative B in case the A
didnt make it due to disqualification or any other
issue that could incapacitate him from contesting.

another issue is, the more the candidates in a
party, the better its chances of winning in a
general election.  the assumption is that, each
candidate has its own followers.

How come no one raised shekarau's declaration here?
Not even Danborno.
Since the Borno and Yobe states have formally boycotted shekarau's declaration i would assume you have changed your stand as well.
I learnt Yobe and Borno will support GEJ.

Assalamu alaikum, kai ma kasan BDN ba ruwanshi da IBB, ko Buhari su suna cikin malfar JEG...

GGNK & EMTL, i cannot speak for the people of
Borno/Yobe, but all i can say is, politics is all about
understanding, giving me what i want and i give you
what you want - kasan north-east has always been
marginalised by kano/katsina/kaduna boys.

LATEST ON BUHARI
the general seems to stand by his words, he declared
that no matter how many times he is going to fail in
election, he will continue contesting, because this is
democracy.

Allah ya ba Janar hakuri.

Quote from: gogannaka on August 20, 2010, 11:06:48 AM
How come no one raised shekarau's declaration here?
Not even Danborno.
Since the Borno and Yobe states have formally boycotted shekarau's declaration i would assume you have changed your stand as well.
I learnt Yobe and Borno will support GEJ.

Kai kuwa goga, this is buhari's thread.  ;D  No point mentioning Shekarau's declaration. I thought the whole discussion was centered around Buhari's politics. About Borno and Yobe's absence at Shekarau's declaration  (I won't call it boycott), isn't it early days to assume any meaning to it? I mean, it is normal that whenever an aspirant is having this sort of 'declaration', not everyone in the party attends. Some because they may have same ambition, some simply to avoid showing open support for a particular aspirant.  But you are right about the story going round that Borno (or rather Modu sheriff) is supporting Jatau mai Sa'a. We will see.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on August 20, 2010, 09:39:43 PM

LATEST ON BUHARI
the general seems to stand by his words, he declared
that no matter how many times he is going to fail in
election, he will continue contesting, because this is
democracy.

Allah ya ba Janar hakuri.

Wa yaga Abraham Lincoln ;D Ko ba shi bane aka ce yayi takara sau 99 kafin yaci zabe?

Because of his past record, I doubt that IBB will be an asset to any party. Besides why is he so bent on having a go at the presidency again? History has shown us that he makes the most phenomenal blunders.

He would be an asset one way or the other. His wealth, experience and connection would certainly come in handy. And with the totally naive, N100-a-vote Nigerian electorates, who knows? ;D

Update on Buhari and CPC

The old general in his usual behaviour vehemently opposed
to merger with Bola Tinubu, instead, wai sai dai ayi alliance
kawai which Tinubu also refuses.

Honestly, if a thorough analysis be made on who is best to rule this country from amongst the contenders, Buhari remains the best for this country.

serialize your reasons and come up with concrete evidence
to back you up.

Jonathan----Extremely out of ideas. Follows the crowd(doesn't have his own stand). Too soft hearted. Goes back and forth in his decisions etc

IBB---------Has the stain of his previous rule, seen as evil, has good leadership abilities, grooms and build people, can make decisions swiftly and own up to them (even when they are bad decisions),corrupt and old.

Buhari------ Highly efficient, principled, gets things done, not corrupt,bad politician and unsellable.

Shekarau---- better a senator than a president,has the toughest job convincing anyone other then the core northerner to vote him,

Bukola Saraki-- good negotiator and unifying individual.Young and more acceptable to the younger generation/

Serialized FYI.

Quote from: gogannaka on September 13, 2010, 02:31:21 PM
IBB---------Has the stain of his previous rule, seen as evil, has good leadership abilities, grooms and build people, can make decisions swiftly and own up to them (even when they are bad decisions),corrupt and old.

Since when is old IBB too old? Is he older than Buhari?, cos you didn't say buhari is old.

QuoteBuhari------ Highly efficient, principled, gets things done, not corrupt,bad politician and unsellable.

You should add: rigid, dictatorial, bad human right record. And don't forget this isn't the military era. So he won't find it easy to get things done. Much of the hope/belief that his uncompromising attitude to laxity would most likely not come to the fore.

QuoteShekarau---- better a senator than a president,has the toughest job convincing anyone other then the core northerner to vote him,

That is more a Buhari problem than Shekarau. He would be more acceptable than buhari in the south. Even Lai Mohammed stated that Buhari is not marketable in the south, but the AC govs agreed to try to back him, before the merger failed due to buhari's selfish demands.  You should add that shekarau is not as experienced or as toughen as Buhri and IBB.



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Ina masu haba janar let it go mana ahem ahem Dan Borno where u dey?  ;D ;D ;D
To dama ance rana bata karya sai dai uwar ya taji kunya. Ga su DB sun yi about turn kamar tsofaffafin kuratai and yanzu janar suke so!!!To mudai dama can ba mu taba canza raáyi ba. Irin mu irin mu akwai rikon amana!!!! :P :P :P

PS BKG, your hero got  a rousing dismissal yesterday a maza bar sa. According to reliable sources and I mean pretty reliable, the Presidential candidate for the Apapa party went to his mazaba and did the victory sign of his party shouting ""Nigeria!""
"Sai Ubanka Buhari!!"" someone shouted from the crowds. He was nearly mobbed, but he was well pelted with pure water ledoji. It is reported that his spouses didnt even make it out of the car!!
Ato all along I kept saying mai yayi ma kano, and I kept getting some hefty loyalists rubbing my nose down. To ga irin ta nan. Mazabar sa ma dont want him!!!!
He who laughs last laughs longest in ji bature!!!!
I'm laughing!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yey!!!!! Hajiya is back ;D ;D  I knew it.  Just mention Shekarau, and she can't resist the temptation. Maraba da dawowa. Kash, amma dai ai mutum ko shi ne "hasidin iza hasada" karshen sharri da hassada, bai isa yace Mallam bai yi wa Kano komai ba :D  Mu dai muna nan. Sai mun zabe shi. Adan kiya fi dam!! ;D

Don't worry about the reported incident from your "reliable sources". Kuma ki takaita dariyar ki. Kano ce, bata da gwani. An riga anyi kuskure siyayar rashin da'a da rashin kunya ta sami gindin zama. Shi ma gwarzon naki mataimakin pastor muna nan tare da ke sai sun jefe shi a Kano wata rana. A juri zuwa da tukunya rafi dai...

Again, barka da dawowa. Don Allah a rika lekowa. Kuma ki taimaka ki tattaro mana matan forum din nan su dawo. Naga kun hada baki kun kudu.

I am officially decamping to CPC, its like su Husnaa
dont like us decamping, better I put it straight on
record kada a zo raba Ministerial position ace ni dan
adawa ne.

My previous comments remains intact for purposes
of keeping them in museum ONLY and not for any
references.

Mu mun koma jam'iyyar Buhari mai alkawarin da bai
rubuta karya CPC taimako ga kowa

Salam,

Welcome back, Auntie Husnaa. And, I kinda believe with BKGZ...that you couldn't resist the temptation...

@BKGZ,

How you so much like Shekarau is very surprising.

@DB,

It's like the old DB [in you] has come back.

@All,

I reserve my full comment till I come back.

Yan siyasa. Ni dai dan kallo ne. Ba Ribadu, ba Johna, Buhari kuwa sai dai Allah. Don haka ina gefe

@ IBB, wallahi ka huta. I'll soon join you in that respect.

@ muhsin, what's suprising? You mean the man shouldn't be liked? I don't understand. Thats a narrow and naive way of looking at things. Well, conversely, how you so much don't like Shekarau is surprising.

@Bakan~Gizo,

Wow! The truth epitomizes itself. Of course. And I am sure all readers can deduct that from the tone of your reply, BKGZ. Don't let emotion (which was what you thought over-carried me on a different but related thread) take you away; or love blind your eyes and faculty of reasoning. My words (as well as the message they encode) are very simple, straightforward and unequivocal. There is no narrow-mindedness or naivety in them, neither in what they express. Not at all.

Naturally, there's nothing much unlikeable with Gov. Shekarau. I, in fact, like him; though I liked him more before. He has achieved many things in Kano. Even history, itself, will never forget him. More-over, I like and pray (that) some of his good legacies to continue, hence my support for Salihu Sagir Takai (i.e. Shekarau's anointed ANPP gubernatorial candidate). Notwithstanding, I have never been blinded to the extent that I'd say and/or see nothing wrong with the man. He's a human just like you, me and others. Human, as saying goes, are fallible. Another well-thought out saying maintains that to err is human.

His being human, subsequently, leads (or led?) him to making many blunders such as Polio saga, unwarranted forgiving of all sorts of misdeeds perpetuated by his cabinet members, unjustifiable demolition of some business sites of people (mine, for instance), among other things. But you, BKGZ, I don't think you consider any of these wrong-doing of Shekarau. Thus that undue adoration remains very surprising to me. And I believe to many members and readers up here; and probably elsewhere.

@IBB,

You are able to have no business with it only because you don't live in Nigeria. I tried doing the same. I even mentioned it here many at times that I was an apolitical. But with the coming of the long-awaited time of election I suddenly found myself encircled in it. Though I'm lucky enough to be part of the election exercise (i.e. as an Election Officials), thus I can still maintain my strong vow that I will not vote for anyone. Now it's not will but can—I cannot vote.

Truth be told, am getting tired of the whole political arguments. Now, I recognised everyone's right to his/her views, just like I have a right to mine. At the end of the day, its nothing but online banter. I don't take them beyond this forum. We do it to keep the place kicking. But me think this "Shekarau is good, no he's bad. He's a devil, no he's a saint" is becoming tiring. It has dragged on for far too long. The man is officially leaving office in a month's time. Wani kuma ya zo yayi nashi mu gani. Whatever his performance (or lack of) would be judged by history and ultimately by Allah. The most important thing is for us to pray Allah Ya zaba wa Kano mafi alheri. On this note, I sign off with respect to this.  ;D

your sign off is not approved, you must further explain
to us why is it that CPC did not capture the whole of
Kano?

Well, I could ask you the same : why didn't cpc capture borno?  Anyway, an dai ji kunya. The pdp we we were all castigating, the party everyone agrees is nigeria's version of the tsunami, was the party people in kano, borno, kebbi, sokoto, bauchi, jigawa, etc etc, voted for. Where does this leave us? The biggest disappointment is the CPC. For ANPP, we already know the party is losing ground. Everyone thought CPC would make a clean sweep of it. We all thought Abokin Fasto would make a mincemeat of the oppositions - ANPP, PDP. We thought his name is enough. We though all a candidate need to do is do a poster of his picture and abokin fasto, and that's it. Well, we thought wrong. Now, I recognise that the CPC didn't do badly for a first timer. But it still is a disappointment, for all the hype, expectations and promises.

How would this come to bear on the presidential election?

Kurunkus, kan dan bera... ::)

Allah ya banu zama lafiya. To Amma a halin yanzu Kano ta kama da wuta ko ina sai kone kone, har da kashe kashe....

 ??? ??? ??? see you in 2015

To what end? The whole thing is just rubbish.

BKG and co I saw yr very nice welcome back message on this thread sometime back. I tried replying and somehow couldnt get to upload the post. Thanks its nice to know that one is appreciated despite everything ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I was so upset that CPC lost the presidential race that I went right ahead and cast my guber vote for CPC again, wai ni haushi, even though I didnt really like to think of MSA as the incumbent amma I thought lets cut our noses to spite our faces, after all what the heck! He might just deliver, who knows? At least he is as rich as Croesus and thus in the battle of paying the piper and dictating the tune, he is a frontline runner.
As it turns out, I wasted the vote and I ended up making the victory sign anyway....... ;D ;D ;D Lol its not hypocrisy, I really like RMK but I just wish he wasnt PDP and I'd always figured out that he may just win the ticket given that CPC made such an awful mess of the their guber strategies. I also always had a sneaking suspicion that the whole thing was masterminded by the powers that be to get to lose the guber for the CPC in Kano.
Oh Well. I think this time I should go long with DB and wish our general good luck in his non political future endeavors, cos I think he's had his run and I am sorry that he lost. I will always respect him.

When Buhari lost in the Presidential Election in 2007, he went to Tribunal as usual demanding so many things, as at that time, many northerners glaringly didn't side with General Buhari because it was Yar'adua that won the election and from all indications, Yar'adua is better than Buhari in many examples hence the comfort.  Some clerics even find illegality in the actions of Buhari, that was when in Kanoonline we came up with a thread discussing Buhari should let it go, tunda ya dade yana fama.

Bakangizo said during the debate

Quote from: bakangizo on September 29, 2007, 12:30:40 PM
I agree with that. I don't think Buhari is made for nigerian politics. And Hajiya Husnaa, he needs  a party machinery to succeed. And I'm not sure where he's headed to next. Cos going by his antecedents, whatever marriage he eventually contrive with whatever party (not only ANPP) is bound to collapse sooner or later....

Muhsin also commented, no wonder he is still critical of Buhari's Government now.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 25, 2007, 06:20:59 PM
Sarkin Karatu speak out your voice very well,
this name "Maigaskiya" came later after he
retired from military.  Wace gaskiya yake da ita?
Ba tare da an damka masa amana ba tayaya
zamu san cewa yana da gaskiya. 

Shima ai Coup yayi, illegal + Illegal = Illegality
amma yanzu shine champion of democracy
Allah save us.

Now it is almost 12 full moons since his swearing into power
We are grateful for the General that peace has relatively returned
back and the long road blocks have disappeared into thin air.

But the hardship still lingers, yesterday I have to buy petrol in
Kaduna 10 litres at the cost of N4,500.00.  I also read that the
Governor of Kebbi has abandoned all other works and started
procuring petrol to his peasant farmers else the poor farmer
cannot affort petrol to water his farm since its not raining season.

Muhsin has written so many pieces both online and in the print
media, even though he has been called names, but Nigerians
demand answers.