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This campaign is now waxing stronger each passing day. 
I was listening to a programme in BBC Africa when a
women's right activist is being interviewed:  she was
saying that you must give your wife an ample notice
whenever you want to make love to her.  She authoritatively
assert that women should not be used as sex machine and
as a husband you should sit with your wife and draw up a
time table for love making.

I partially agree with her to some extent, however, if this
is allowed, we will soon be thrown into trouble.  Because,
man is supposed to chair the house and his decisions are to
the best interest of the whole family, including the wife. 

I am not saying that the wife should not be involved in the
affairs of the house, there are so many departments that
the woman handles solely without the husband's intervention. 
But the issue of sex be strictly left for the husband to decide,
however, men should honour women's desire, if she is not in
the mood try arousing her, and if it didn't work, sai ka zuge
wandonka and wait for another day while you try and quote
the sayings of the Holy Prophet (SAW) concerning the virtues
of sleeping with your husband and the atrocities attached not
succumbing to his invitation.

But the way these women's right activist were clamouring is
that a law be established to regulate legal sex between the
husband and the man.  BE careful, this propaganda is spreading
like fire and sooner or later their dream will be actualise.

So GUYS, me kuka hango?

LOL,DB abun ya baka tsoro ne?
Idan ka iya tactics din ka ai ko an zana time-table din ma a goge  ;)

At the bottom of the time table you'll put some asterix 'subject to change without notice'

Jiya ma na ji a BBC wai of the 46000 govt workers in Niger republic about 10,000 are women.
I think that is impressive.Sai na ji kuma wai duk da haka matan suna son kari.

   ;D   ;D   ;D there is always a way out ko?
amma in ban da abinsu, lamarin kan gado ai
mata sunfimu bukatuwa, if the so called TT
is followed many women will call for its immediate
amendment kuma.

I watched this program you are talking about. But i didnt concentrate on it because I know the lady is one of those that Allah put a covering in their hearts, eyes and ears.

The way I see it. This issue will bring about even more increase of adultery in societies. Imagine your wife wouldnt let u go through her, what do you think the man will do, he will drive off to those thousand of single lonely women desprate for a man.

I wonder why men pay the dowry if this will be the case.

 ;D ;D ;D
Time table indeed!! This is a typical case of womens lib gone awry,
To yanzu irin su DB masu biyu ya ma za a yi timetable din ke nan??
On a serious note i have read a piece on the possibility of being charged for raping ones wife under common law.
Allah ya sa su gane, kar su bullo mana wata sabuwar fitina

Kit Kat for long you have been away, and by
the time you are back you started with me ko?  ;D

Nevertheless, the issue is not only Allah ya sa
su gane, they conceived this idea some 18 years
ago and by gradual disemination of information
and propaganding, they are now recording success
stories from our neighbouring countries who we
shared the same believe and cultural way of life,
I think except we also sprang up as they do, I am
afraid, our women will start implementation also.

Kit Kat, kar ka manta fa! thats one of the advantages
of marrying more than one wife

When one door is closed - another is open -
where is Nuruddeen Marley's fan?

Dan Borno, why is this subject strictly for men? if it is strictly for men, then u should send  private messages to each other and have the discussions amongst yrselves instead of making it public property and adding a provocative proviso "strictly for men" which only serves to stimulate the ladies' curiosity on the subject matter. Was that yr aim? u have succeeded. On the other hand you have made it so that modesty serves to act against issuing responses to all yr allegations.

There is one that I couldnt help but be provoked on and that is GGNK, who writes that seemingly 10,000 women govt workers in Niger is adequate out of 46,000 public sector workers. That's a mere 22% of the public sector workers that are women, and that is OK? Come on lets have equity: concede 50:50.. that's fair enough!

Kai kuma DB, there is more to yr complaints than meets the eye; but I wont say more.. its strictly  not my domain so my lips are :-X

Quote from: Dan-Borno on November 23, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
This campaign is now waxing stronger each passing day. 
I was listening to a programme in BBC Africa when a
women's right activist is being interviewed:  she was
saying that you must give your wife an ample notice
whenever you want to make love to her.  She authoritatively
assert that women should not be used as sex machine and
as a husband you should sit with your wife and draw up a
time table for love making.

I partially agree with her to some extent, however, if this
is allowed, we will soon be thrown into trouble.  Because,
man is supposed to chair the house and his decisions are to
the best interest of the whole family, including the wife. 

I am not saying that the wife should not be involved in the
affairs of the house, there are so many departments that
the woman handles solely without the husband's intervention. 
But the issue of sex be strictly left for the husband to decide,
however, men should honour women's desire, if she is not in
the mood try arousing her, and if it didn't work, sai ka zuge
wandonka and wait for another day while you try and quote
the sayings of the Holy Prophet (SAW) concerning the virtues
of sleeping with your husband and the atrocities attached not
succumbing to his invitation.

But the way these women's right activist were clamouring is
that a law be established to regulate legal sex between the
husband and the man.  BE careful, this propaganda is spreading
like fire and sooner or later their dream will be actualise.

So GUYS, me kuka hango?

uhm.. uhm... nashıgu da gyaran murya. so DB ı was jst wonderıng rıght, are women allowed to lyk contrıbute ın thıs ''strıctky fro men busıness'' why dıdnt you even make ıt strıctly for marrıed men or marrıed poeple... any way am waıtıng...

Oh my God!!!, these women are so brave to come into
the men's wardrobe, infact to the extent of posing ??s
and ??ss.

GGNK you heard what Husnaa just said about your report.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on November 27, 2007, 10:02:00 AM
Oh my God!!!, these women are so brave to come into
the men's wardrobe, infact to the extent of posing ??s
and ??ss.

GGNK you heard what Husnaa just said about your report.

so yanzu daı your answer ıs what? bcos am already ın do ı get out or stay ın

Your wish is granted but at your own risk  ;D
may be with Husnaa you will be a little safer.

The drive for gender equality, I think is what you are all talking about. But do we have to have a ministry of women affairs at the federal and states levels to achieve that? Why didn't the men ask for a men affairs ministry to be establishe so as to equalize?????. To me there are lots of misplaced priorities in our activities :o

Ehem! Eheemm!!.....  Ermm, popped in by accident...  :-X

Well done Bee. I agree with you 100%

Husnaa I'm actually surprised that that report provoked you.
I thought you would be surprised at the achievement of the Nigerien women to their Nigerian counterparts at penetrating the Male dominated workforce.
To me, the 22% femininity of the Nigerien work force is fairly good enough.

I believe women have a right to be employed,however, to force themselves into having a 50-50 ratio is simply unfair considering the fact that male graduates are more than female graduates.

Do you have an idea as to the percentage of women in the Nigerian workforce?

GGNK, let me refer you to the Beijing Declaration Article 32:

Intensify efforts to ensure equal enjoyment of all human rights and fundamental freedoms for all women and girls who face multiple barriers to their empowerment and advancement because of such factors as their race, age, language, ethnicity, culture, religion, or disability, or because they are indigenous people;

So, the 50-50 target for them is for sure.

Allah ya basu sa'a.
I am not against women getting the 50-50 they want.
Infact in Nigeria some women have proven that their leadership qualities are far better than the Men, e.g NAFDAC,Okonjo Iweala and co.


Regarding the Time table issue kam Bee has said it all.No addition!

Quote from: gogannaka on November 27, 2007, 08:28:10 PM
Allah ya basu sa'a.
I am not against women getting the 50-50 they want.
Infact in Nigeria some women have proven that their leadership qualities are far better than the Men, e.g NAFDAC,Okonjo Iweala and co.


Regarding the Time table issue kam Bee has said it all.No addition!

Goga, do you consider okonjo and dora as having achieved anything? These are only pawns being over estimated by the press. There are so many women out there that have not been tested and their capabilities proven. Dora should be relieved of her job now for another women doctor to also head the NAFDAC. 8)

First of all i see no reason why this topic was started here in the first place, its rude, dirty and misogynist. The title itself connotes some sort of adult privacy which prevents the women from coming in and discuss. In addition kanoonline is not a mono-gender online community at such, it will not entertain biased and unruly topics. No wonder the quick amounts of replies.

Am sorry Dan-Borno, but this topic should be discussed discritly between a husband and a wife, not in a public gathering where both married and unmarried people are involved. Moreso, i expected that we know there are young people who visit kanoonline, when i say young people i mean youths of age 12 to 13 do visits this community, what example are we exuding? Is it really worth it that we should gather around and discuss sex like football? I know we are mature enough to but this environment is simply not the right place to digress on such dialogues due to the diversity of the kind of people that visit it, and sex is something that we naturaly have the idea of learning or wanting. If at all there was a need to discuss on such issues here then i believe the admin would have created a 'sex' category.

I'm sorry but i've made up my mind that i will scrap this thread as soon as i can in 24 hours, no hard feelings.

Honestly kayi gaskiya MuDa....... Get rid of it soon possible!

Mr Moderator,you have a right to remove or edit any thread or post you deem unfit for the forum.

For the record though:
1.I see no where where the forum is portrayed as a 'mono-gender online community'
2. The name of the thread might sound 'somehow' but the content is not that rude if you've really gone through it(my belief).
3. Save for one or two posts,i see no where where sex is discussed like football.The near explicit scene was when Bee expressed her view regarding the issue at hand and if read with an open mind,intellectually speaking,she virtually fed everyone with the most logical solution to the problem/concern DB raised.


I'd advise that the Make me laugh thread also be edited and those adult jokes removed.
Recently an onliner complained to me that it is unbecoming the way adult jokes and adult 'things' are posted on a site which bears the name KANOONLINE.That explains the onliner's sudden disappearance from the forum.

So Muda.It's your decision  8)

Ihu bayan hari, Muda.
I tend to agree with GGNK on this issue. Latitude was given for threads like sexual enhancement foods to be posted up and all the men went gaga posting all sorts of old wives' remedies and concoctions. There was no censorship, but that was because the topic was mild  and in the long run, it was not so lurid. That is what led to this thread, I believe. This thread itself is a bit more explicit, so what members should do is to couch their language when talking about co-habitual issues, so that everything appears above board. This is because in reality this issue is something that all married couples must have gone through at a stage in their lives, so there shouldnt be any coyness, although what I truly object is the hypocritical double standards where men can be as lax with the way they express themselves with words while  women have to take the more modest approach. Both should exhibit modesty in speech and expression of language, to make it a truly intellectual exercise.
If there is anything to moderate Muda... MAKE ME LAUGH should be edited. That is where the dirt, rudeness and mysogynism exists but not on this thread which if u look at it is already diluted with general gender issues that have nothing to do with sex itself.

On the subject of 13 and 14 yr old children visiting this site, well one cant help that, but I bet that a 13 or 14 yr old cannot really be interested in what is written because they have to attain a certain level of maturity to appreciate what is written everywhere here. Besides if u think this thread would titillate,  I am sure u are wrong. This is so insipid when compared to other postings elsewhere. So I am not really worried about what 13 and 14 yr olds will get out of this site, certainly sai alheri, as long as u curtail MAKE ME LAUGH....

PS remove the 'strictly for men' extension and then the thread wont appear so intriguing.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on November 26, 2007, 10:05:06 PM
Kit Kat, kar ka manta fa! thats one of the advantages
of marrying more than one wife

When one door is closed - another is open -
where is Nuruddeen Marley's fan?

Wallahi gaskiyarka DB, nima kwanakin baya na koro zan kara amma ina!!!

zancen ya fito yan kinibibi suka cabe maganar har yanzu shiru ka ke ji( i guess this issue alone deserves its own thread)

Kasan mutanen naka, yanzu an bada sanarwar this is a man rhing amma sun shigo kai tsaye sun karkata akalar maganar.

ANd whats up with Muda?? Lighten up man, its only sex :o 
Da haka za ka gane bachelors din forum dinnan ;D ;D ;D

I see this thread like an opening for a debate on the current drive for gender equality. We can also participate here by sampling opinions and making suggestions that will enlighten citizens and make all to understand the topic well. The thing to do by us all, is to avoid harping illicitly so that we can be seen to be rational and matured in our views.
Mr. moderator, could you please allow the topic to continue? You are at liberty to remove any offensive post thereafter.

Quote from: kitkat on November 29, 2007, 05:40:18 AM
ANd whats up with Muda?? Lighten up man, its only sex :o 
Da haka za ka gane bachelors din forum dinnan ;D ;D ;D

LOl....very funny...Only sex ko? Yeah right i will wisen up!

I dont disagree with you guys at all, i was trying to reminds us that this site is not only visited by married men, i dont care what anybody thinks about whether am married or still a bachelor, this is not about me, this is about the audience, and yet everybody seemed so at home backing it, i did not rebuck it either, i myself will very much love to contribute to this topic, but i just feel like talking about sexual activities isnt just right to be discussed on open grounds like this, of course we learn alot in here, but this is not like a classroom lecture hall where we come and register just for the purpose of sex education, besides most of y'all are married with kids right? So what more do u need to learn again that you dont know?

As for the 'Make Me Laff" thread, i agree with you here again, but i will also want to remind us that, like its called a 'Make Me Laff', then the contents of the threads are all jokes, they are not educational, besides sex is not taught in 'Make Me Laff', and sex is not the main attributes of the contents of 'Make Me Laff' thread, every kind of jokes are welcomed in the thread, and if not for the likes of McEwan who isnt a muslim and such have a higher sense of humour than we do, the thread will not have been an excuse for the critic of this thread in the first place, and funny enough, we all laugh about these jokes, we even contribute to these jokes, but today its a problem, and yet nobody have really reported it to the admin or me apart from Husnaa who had some personal disaproval of McEwan's post in most threads, but do you guys know how many people have so far reported that this topic be scrapped off? A number of people have reported already. So i guess if you people feel like there is a need for such kind of topics to be discussed here then i guess we should request for a category for it.

Before i go let me ask a question, will you honestly be comfortable with your little kids at their tender age reading about just the main post of this thread? Honestly i mean? Think about it!

Salam.
        You have a point there moderator but do forgive me but i think your first approach was kind of wrong.Go through your first posting and the second one za kaga akwai difference and i think it did kind of make some of those who contributed feel kind of dirty (i felt that really that was why i deleted what i have posted) and it is not suppose to be so because there is nothing really kind of alarmingly dirty a ciki.The reason you gave in your second posting is more...reasonable.It was not like an attack or something.I think it is best to give reasons a cikin kwanciyar hankali than strike out and say you are going to do something because you have got the power to do so.I think that way,people will really back you up.Take no offence please.This is just a suggestion.

Quote from: *~MuDaCriS~* on November 30, 2007, 06:34:13 PM

Before i go let me ask a question, will you honestly be comfortable with your little kids at their tender age reading about just the main post of this thread? Honestly i mean? Think about it![/color]

How tender the age Muda? ;D ;D   Lol Muda. u are brewing a storm in a teacup!!

Muda your threats to take action on this topic are absolutely baseless.

The way you responded to the topic and the way you made the contributors feel ashamed demands your apology.
Tell me please what is rude in the topic,including bee's post(which you have now caused her to delete).
How in the world could knowledge be disseminated if things are not discussed?This issue was discussed on the BBC which i believe has much more audience than kanoonline and which cut across more of the 13 and 14 yr olds that visit this forum.

Your absolute blunder came when you graciously approved of sharing rude adult jokes in the 'make me laff' thread while condemning intellectual discourse on this topic.What sense does this make?
Don't the '13-14 year olds' visit the 'make me laff' thread?

In finding more reasons to castigate the thread you made mention that sex is taught in this thread,haba Muda,it is quite disappointing how you could make things up just to justify your assertions.

It is my own belief that what i cannot discuss openly ought not to be discussed at all.I believe munafurci ne to discuss something with someone somewhere and pretend not to be the kind discussing it.

Please read and re-read the enitre thread and you posts in particular.

C'mon guys. Everyone has made a good point. But we should all remember, this is a forum, where everyone has the right to voice out his mind. Why should it be too personal then? pour out your opinion, without attacking anyone harshly, and wait for people to comment(my opinion). I support the subject should stay(again my opinion), only that we should respond with our heads, not 'hormones' ;D. When we discuss marriage anywhere, sex is inevitable. We can talk about the subject without the 'obscenity'. Dont see any harm in that. The 13 or 14 year old kid you talking about is more bothered about the porno sites than kanoonline. Its sad but true. Besides if something's not of much interest to you, yeah yeah, voice out your mind, but for Gods sake, dont stop the flow!

Quote from: waduz on November 28, 2007, 04:09:29 PM
There are so many women out there that have not been tested and their capabilities proven. Dora should be relieved of her job now for another women doctor to also head the NAFDAC. 8)

Haba Waduz, but you quite knew that there is great
difference between Dora and Okonjo, Dora has done
this country proud, if at all we can trust all the women
as we  trusted her, i think Nigeria will change for better.
She has sanitized the entire drug system.

@ Bee
Why did you delete your post? I thought its your own
opinion? those that mean you were forced to make such
statement? Haba we are just reaching out.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 03, 2007, 09:13:00 AM

Quote from: waduz on November 28, 2007, 04:09:29 PM
There are so many women out there that have not been tested and their capabilities proven. Dora should be relieved of her job now for another women doctor to also head the NAFDAC. 8)

Haba Waduz, but you quite knew that there is great
difference between Dora and Okonjo, Dora has done
this country proud, if at all we can trust all the women
as we  trusted her, i think Nigeria will change for better.
She has sanitized the entire drug system.

@ Bee
Why did you delete your post? I thought its your own
opinion? those that mean you were forced to make such
statement? Haba we are just reaching out.

That is your view DBN which I disagree with in toto. You see the essence of establishing the NAFDAC was to curtail drug abuse and any form of drug inflicted violence among Nigerians, especially youths. Dora is trying, but cannot be said to have sanitized the system. She has not really made any credible impact on drugs sale/manufacturing and on the other harmful substances being recklessly sold and consumed by citizens all over the place, with absolute alacrity. Go to any city, town or villages you will encounter thugs in different attires of deviance parading themselves as villains of the society. These guys consume drugs and cause mayhem at the slightest of provocation. I believe that NAFDAC and NDLEA should sit up and check the local drug dealers who operate shops along streets in all the towns throughout the country. This will do more good to our wellbeing that chasing pure water hawkers!

The political thuggery bedevilling our country is caused by drugs consuming youths who are waylayed in doing so by stipends given to them by politicians. Organizing seminars and TV features by these agencies is not enough........

Akramakallahu, i just hope we will not go out of the main
theme of this our thread.  However, as you highlighted
above, there is great difference between activities of the
NDLEA and the NAFDAC.  Even though you have confessed
that NAFDAC (Dora Led) is trying, yes, the organization is
trying.  She single handedly broke the notorious Onitsha
drug dealers who for a long period of time infiltrated and
dominated the entire phamaceutical industry in this country.

Yes, no any nation will prosper without updating knowledge
and sharing of ideas with other organizations and countries
who have made history, i believe that is the essence of
organising such seminars and conferences and the aggressive
media publicity to sensitize the average drug consumer.

This reminds me also, Dora was recently, i think last week
honoured by the Italian Government as one of the four
top-world class women achievers.  Prof. Dora and three
other women emerged finalists for the 2007 International
Woman of the Year Award at a colourful International
Women Conference held at Grand Hotel Brillia in the serene
city  of  Saint-Vincent, Italy.

Quote from: waduz on December 03, 2007, 09:43:35 AM
There are so many women out there that have not been tested and their capabilities proven. Dora should be relieved of her job now for another women
That is your view DBN which I disagree with in toto. You see the essence of establishing the NAFDAC was to curtail drug abuse and any form of drug inflicted violence among Nigerians, especially youths. Dora is trying, but cannot be said to have sanitized the system. She has not really made any credible impact on drugs sale/manufacturing and on the other harmful substances being recklessly sold and consumed by citizens all over the place, with absolute alacrity. Go to any city, town or villages you will encounter thugs in different attires of deviance parading themselves as villains of the society. These guys consume drugs and cause mayhem at the slightest of provocation. I believe that NAFDAC and NDLEA should sit up and check the local drug dealers who operate shops along streets in all the towns throughout the country. This will do more good to our wellbeing that chasing pure water hawkers!

How wrong you are Waduz. If she were only trying, then it was better than doing nothing at all. Before she was made NAFDAC chief, things were very bad with the pharmaceutical industries. Fake drugs importation and/or manufacture; selling expired drugs, etc. She has made in roads in curtailing the importation laundering and use of such drugs. Those were her main goals and she has done some admirable things in her efforts at 'trying'. The fact that ppl continue to abuse drugs has nothing  what soever to do with Dora. What u are saying is akin to  leading a horse to water and making him drink it when we all know that it is not  possible. Dora and her administration are the equivalent of the FDA in the US. The FDA is the quality control watchdog for any new food and pharmaceutical products in the US. Yet there is so much substance abuse going on in the US and no one pins the blame on FDA.

So the FDA have a lot more to do. That is the point. We in Nigeria have the habit of praise singing! You just rely on newspaper reports and conclude that there is no jupiter than can do as someone was doing! Dora is not running NAFDAC alone as she has numerous helping hands that do the job. I am against the thinking that "if not she, no one could do it." We know ourseves, that with a little pampering some us can assume the impossible! But to think that out of over 140m Nigerians on a particular individual can do anything right is wrong!
To the Italian award, are you saying that because she emerged as an awardee, that makes her the best performing woman no. 4 in the world? C'mon, DBN, do you believe in such staged managed chicanery? My friend lets face it, Dora is trying, but she is yet to sanitize Nigeria drug wise as you keep on harping!

I felt a bit guilty or rather...don't know how to say it, for not having said a word since this thread is posted. I had to, since, reveal why I kept mute but later thought this as sth. very plain, i.e my being young while the thread's subject matter is strictly for MEN, right? But it very much impresses me. Dan-Barno is really a very nice member whose contribtuions to the forum have been very enlightining, educative, scholastic, entertaining and so on. Keep it up DB. 8) 8)

Sarkin Karatu mai Bald Head, very young professor in the making.
Men is a plural for Man, and man is a male person, an adult male
human being, which I am sure you belong to the group.

You can freely make your contributions, as you may be seeing
its simple and straight forward to the points and it happens
right now in our society, sooner or later full implementation will
follow suit.

Recently, a case is being pursued by the Ministry for Women
Affairs (I wonder why Ministry for Men Affairs is absent) that a
husband must divorce his wife, whom they felt is too young for
him even after she has conceived and born a healthy bouncing
baby boy for him.  He argued that he is taking good care of her
and they have been living in good terms until recently when the
Ministry's official intervened and brain washed his wife's brain
that she is too small   to be married out, not to talk of having
sex.  They argued that her sense of mentality is still not ripe
to be a wife and a mother.

As at now, they have been able to frustrate the man to the
extent that yaja Allah Ya isa. 

This is what we are saying, gradually, the poison is travelling
as fast as it can to its destination.

Quote from:  waduzDora is not running NAFDAC alone as she has numerous helping hands that do the job. I am against the thinking that "if not she, no one could do it." We know ourseves, that with a little pampering some us can assume the impossible! But to think that out of over 140m Nigerians on a particular individual can do anything right is wrong!

Why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? You know the Nigerian syndrome very well; how many ppl do u have to try out at a particular position of trust before u get ONE who is sufficiently trust worthy? You have to try out hundreds at least. That in itself is not a huge figure, but before u get to the 10th trial, yr ministerial coffers have been bled dry and no work to show for it! So if on one of yr trials u hit a jackpot, milk it for all its worth first before u put it aside. So let Dora continue doing what she does best. She gets help yes of course. What u have to realize is that all those other incumbents before had help as well. The difference between her and them is how she handled the help and in which direction she put the help to most use. Many of her predecessors just misused the help.....

Quote from:  Dan BornoRecently, a case is being pursued by the Ministry for Women
Affairs (I wonder why Ministry for Men Affairs is absent) that a
husband must divorce his wife, whom they felt is too young for
him even after she has conceived and born a healthy bouncing
baby boy for him.  He argued that he is taking good care of her
and they have been living in good terms until recently when the
Ministry's official intervened and brain washed his wife's brain
that she is too small   to be married out, not to talk of having
sex.  They argued that her sense of mentality is still not ripe
to be a wife and a mother.

As at now, they have been able to frustrate the man to the
extent that yaja Allah Ya isa.

This is what we are saying, gradually, the poison is travelling
as fast as it can to its destination.

Give us the full details DB. Like how old is the wife? how old is the husband (not that its very important) did she get vvf during the birth? what are her own views of the marriage? her parents views?  was she forced to marry him? Does he maltreat her? are they muslims (seeing Islam gives full rights for marriage at early age). Who is the minister for women's affairs?
This is really intriguing.

Husnaa you are sounding like a lawyer LOL.

What i'll say to the women right activists is 'a dinga sara ana duban bakin gatari'.
Some of these women go out of their way in defending the woman's right.Some of these rights have been blanketed where the real criticism is against the islamic religion.
I could remember some time back during the heydays of the women rights and child labour act in nigeria a bill was proposed that would give women equal share in 'gado'- inheritance.
Now they are talking about a time table for sex.

DB furnish us more with details of wannan kashe auren.
My prayer is Allah ya sa age din ta bai kai na Nana Aisha ba lokacin da tayi aure.

Well in age din yarinyar bai kai na Nana Aisha ba at the time of marriage then she would be about 5yrs old or less.. which to me really would be seriously ridiculous and therefore would I would support the calls for the DIVORCE. But I seriously doubt that she is that tender aged.

To ai kin ga irin abin.
If she's older than Nana aisha then it more or less implies that ita ma nana aisha'n auren ta violation ne ga women's right.That is what i want to point out to the activists.
Idan suka biye ma turawan nan za su kai mutum su baro.

Has anyone read the United nations women right abuses report?

Thats correct Babban Abokina GGNK, Husnaa is acting more
of a Lawyer than a discussant.

I just confirmed that the girl in question was married to the
man at the age of 13 and conceived at the age of 14, and
it is confirmed that there were no any report of VVF or what
ever. The present case is in 2007 and they have been 2gether
since 2005, and all these while no one detected that she
is a small girl. 

I also just confirmed from a secret source at the Ministry here
in Maiduguri that they are trying an acid test on this particular
one, and if they succeeed, they will get to others and gradually
make it COMPULSORY that a girl must reach the age of 23 / 25
before getting married.

Mind you Husnaa, I am not against all these things, however,
the west has a target, these are only preliminaries which if they
succeed (there is every indication that they will succeed, from
the way the UN is funding them), then matters like that of
inheritance, wearing veil, time-table, marrying only one wife,
bearing maximum of 2 children per woman etc will then follow.

Kuma GGNK, abinda bamu sani ba shine, the UN and other Western
organisation are working from the grass roots.  Irin yanmatan
kauye and yan talla, once these target groups are brainwashed
irin su ??????  and ??????? dama sun samu enough training since
university days.

Quote from: gogannaka on December 11, 2007, 08:07:08 PM
To ai kin ga irin abin.
If she's older than Nana aisha then it more or less implies that ita ma nana aisha'n auren ta violation ne ga women's right.That is what i want to point out to the activists.
Idan suka biye ma turawan nan za su kai mutum su baro.

Has anyone read the United nations women right abuses report?

LOL GGNK, U DIDNT READ WHAT I WROTE. U SKIMMED THROUGH IT SO U HAVENT GOT THE GIST OF WHAT I MEANT???
Nana Aisha was married to the Prophet SAW at age 6yrs. So if we are to put a standard by Islamically acceptable marriageable ages, then it should be 6yrs. (who am I to oppose abin da Allah Ya Hallatta? ) What I am saying is that if the girl was less than 6yrs old, then I would not second the marriage myself. I went on to say I seriously doubt that she is less than 6 yrs old though. I did not give an opinion as to what I think or would do, if she is above six yrs of age. You went right ahead and asssumed it   ???

DB thank u for that account. I wasnt acting as a lawyer, I just wanted information on the case that is all.
Look to be honest with you, I am not an advocate of early child marriage. Ba wai because I am bucking against Islam ba or anything like that. I just feel that it is fair to give the girl opportunities at self betterment which she would miss out if she married early. Wannan abin kuma was brought about by societal norms and the way men treat women. If men treated women as humans with rights and feelings and did not subjugate them, and did everything da aka ce musu is a woman's prerogative by Islamic standards, then a girl married at the age of one yrs old would be assured of getting a decent standard of living from her husband all through out her life without having to resort to become economically independent and  she would also be well educated so that she can conduct her life from a point of advantage. But we all know that is not the case.
I am not for setting the date of marriage at 23 or 25 or so.. The level of a girl's education usually dictates the age at which she gets married. The more educated she is the older the age at which she gets married. For my part, I advocate tertiary education to all women.
To me this whole issue of UN doing underhanded  and dirty manouvres to achieve some modicum of "freedom" for women is all bull****. A good society starts at home. Children brought up in the care of caring and well educated parents both in Islamic religion and western education, will go a long way to producing the kind of citizens that we need. Unfortunately this is an idyllic thought. It doesnt happen like that. There is always something not quite right, which means that we bring up a less than perfect progeny. The cases are exacerbated at the grassroot levels where there is very little of the western education (which in turn leads to evils of poverty) and in many cases, a misunderstanding of the cardinal rules of Islam, which brings about the maltreatment and consequent impoverishment of women.

Oh oh,Husnaa you misunderstood me too.
I was not referring to your comment in my previous post.I read what you posted and understood it clearly.
I wanted to actually point out how the issue could become complicated if the girl in DB's story turns out to be older than Nana Aisha when she got married.Sorry i didn't make myself clear enough.No offence meant  ;)


Sometimes i lay the blame of such issues on our Malamai,the so called Ulama's.
Most at times they hide abuse under the name of religion. Abu kadan haram abu kadan ba haka annabi ya ce ba kuma mafi yawancin lokachi sai ka ga ra'ayin su kawai suke cusa wa jama'a.
I had an argument with a friend who was a die hard student/follower of one of the Malamai a kano.Shi malamin da bakin shi na ji ya fada cewa where some islamic traditions are scientifically and medically proven to cause dangerous health risks then the scientific proof should supercede the islamic tradition.(i wish i could put it clearer)
So rannan ana karatu sai malamin yace wai ai early marriage does not cause VVF.Ni kuma na ji da kunne na cewa one of the causes of VVF shine yi wa mace aure kafin ta kai appropriate age,in other words early/pre-mature marriage.
Haka muka yi ta musu,suna ganin cea akwai conspiracy ne a issue din.That why wasn't there VVF during the prophet's time....a'a kawai ana so ne ayi discrediting auren annabi da Nana Aisha.

Hakkun goga. You see, the issue if varied from the religious perspective, is that all marriages done by the Prophet PBUH, were to serve as example to the Ummah to copy. He married a widow (Um Salma) a women sent to him by one king (Um Maria) a woman much older than him (Um Khadija) etc. Aisha's case was so special that it was one of his best friends, Abubakar that gave her hand to him in marriage. He was the Prophet and had unsurpassed sense of restrained as he allowed Aisha to grow and blossomed into womanhood before he took her. I think only a very few of us could have such a kind of restrain.
In the current dispensation, obviously there are problems that are bedevilling us and our faith. It is ironic and quite tragic to find among moslems people that are moslems because they grew up under the care of moslem parents only. In short, they practice the religion only by conduct and not by any iota of Iman. Only recently a very young girl gave birth to a set of twins out of wedlock! The father, as she revealed, is someone known very well in the society as "Hafiz" someone that has memorized the Qoran uphead! It was so damning that it was hardly believeable, but since it came from herself and considering her age, no one doubted her. Just before she delivered the twins, the goon has embarked on a pilgrimage to Mecca. Her parents are waiting for his return! For God's sake, what prayer is he gong to pray for at the two Holy Mosques after committing that distardly act?
Now go to any of our big hotels in all the big cities of Nigeria you will be suptrised to see how our supposed leaders are stooping too low by activily engaging in illicit and immoral acts contrary to the tenets of our religion. They take undue advantage of young girls, sometimes even daughters of their neighbours, or even married women by giving them huge sums of moneyat once, money they can hardly spend for their family in a year, to commit the unprintable. What is left for us as moslems is that we should continue to live according to the dictates of our Quran and the Traditions of our Prophet. The western propaganda through some agencies is obvious and very much glaring. We must be steadfast in our religious activities and darm their wishful thinking of denigrating Islam. We must know that there is no way these people will ever, I mean ever like or trust us. That is our destiny right from from the beginning and it will be like that till end of days. But for us moslems, the good thing is that we are on the right track as our religion is complete and there is no jupiter on this palnet that can stop us from worshing Allah SWT. But for us to convince adherents of other religions that ours is surely the right one, we must change our conduct and attitude in the society by being humble, peaceful, tolerant and accommodating. Allah gyara, amin.

Salam
      I think duk wanna misunderstandings din yana karkashin malaman mu ne.Addinin Musulunci mai sauki ne fiye da yadda most mutane suka dauka.When you analyse some rules for instance without any malami,you will realize that logically,that is how it should be.Let's take this case as an example: Man being the head of the family.Naturally,man is created stronger.He is aggressive and because of that,he can handle most things that a woman might not be able to handle.A woman on the other hand is soft and more gentle in nature and that is because she is create that way.Her emotons can even screw things up for her.That is why she needs a man to kind of protect her or lead her.There is nothing like superiority.We are all equal in the eyes of Allah only that the two different sexes have some little differences in duties to perform when serving thier Creator.Laifi dai daya ne.If you break the rules,you will be in trouble sai dai in mutum ya tuba.
    Another thing da ke bata min rai ga malaman nan shi ne in suna wa'azi.Only 1 in 10 will tell men abin da Allah zaiyi masu if they fail to do whta is expected of them to do towards thier wives and family.Amma in kunji yadda suke tsananta purnishment akan mace if she fails to do what is expected of her,sai mutum yayi kuka.Kun san akwai people who practice sexism a duniyan nan.In most cases malamna nan irin su ne.They lead other man astray.men who would have made the difference.Hardly a sami friendship between a husband and wife this days simply becuase ana samun wasu suna twisting the real motive(it is not everything that is understandable anyway) behind a particular rule set The All Mighty.To most men,there is nothing like friendship between a king and his subjects sai dai biyayya.
   On the subject of early marraige,no body has any idea how Nana Aisha looked like when she was married off to the Prophet(PBUH).It takes some people longer time to actually get into adulthood.A girl of 12yrs might look 20.Another girl of that same age might look 8yrs old.What is the point given out your daugther when she is nothing but a baby?Common sense ne fa wannan.You will destroy her for the rest of her life.She will never experience the joy of childhood.Ance the prophet's marriage to Aisha should be an example to men.The Prophet(PBUH)waited for her to develope.How many men these days will do that when it is obvious that they are nothing but child abusers.Oh come on,why would someone want to get involved with a child who is yet to reach adulthood?

Quote from: Bee on December 14, 2007, 11:27:07 AM
Naturally,man is created stronger.He is aggressive and because of that,he can handle most things that a woman might not be able to handle.

Good to hear this from you Bee, if most of your
species will get to accept this natural law, we
wont be experiencing so many head to head
collusion with the female type.  You have also
shed more light when you try differentiating the
age of puberty and how most girls look like
depending on environment or natual causes,
thank you for that.

I also agree with most of my forumites when they
endeavour to castigate and point accusing fingers
at our ulamas, yes, they are in the better position
to create awareness, for they are our custodians
of knowledge and tradition.  But we must also put
in mind that most of these ulamas are blind followers
of their own ulamas and never dare to question
any suspicious idea but bita zaizai.  But with the
recent crops of Ulamas growing, Sheik Ja'afar Adam
(May his soul rest in peace) and bunch of others
across the country, surely, brightness will overshadow
darkness soonest.

Waduz (angon kline) you have every right to accuse
manyan mu, call them names if you want, I have
seen so many and worked with a dozen, they never
dreamt of doing good to their nation, may Allah burnt
them alive if they are not the repented type.

     :) But Dan Barno there is nothing like accepting anything here.The man is only stronger and aggresive but not superior nor any wiser.It is upto the man to make use of what he has possitively and not try to impose superiority over opposite sex because there is absolutely nothing like that.Ko a zamanin da din people want to have male children ne so they could help with the farming because they are stronger.There are things that only a man can do(a woman can attept and be successful) and there are also things that only a woman can do(and a man can attept and be successful).One more thing,we are the same species dan barno(got you there.hahaha).

Bee, dont sting me pls, allow me to enjoy
my weekend.

I used the word specie not in its strictest
scientific meaning, that is why if you go
further into my post, you will see where
i used the word "female type".

 ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 14, 2007, 12:22:36 PM
Bee, dont sting me pls, allow me to enjoy
my weekend.

I used the word specie not in its strictest
scientific meaning, that is why if you go
further into my post, you will see where
i used the word "female type".

how una dey ''mens wardrobe''

Quote from: Bee on December 14, 2007, 12:12:01 PM
     :) But Dan Barno there is nothing like accepting anything here.The man is only stronger and aggresive but not superior nor any wiser.It is upto the man to make use of what he has possitively and not try to impose superiority over opposite sex because there is absolutely nothing like that.Ko a zamanin da din people want to have male children ne so they could help with the farming because they are stronger.There are things that only a man can do(a woman can attept and be successful) and there are also things that only a woman can do(and a man can attept and be successful).One more thing,we are the same species dan barno(got you there.hahaha).

Of course man is on the average superior and wiser. What do you mean  >:(

yes man is superior in brute strength.. but not necessarily wiser.  >:(  :|

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on January 07, 2008, 03:08:23 PM

Quote from: Bee on December 14, 2007, 12:12:01 PM
     :) But Dan Barno there is nothing like accepting anything here.The man is only stronger and aggresive but not superior nor any wiser.It is upto the man to make use of what he has possitively and not try to impose superiority over opposite sex because there is absolutely nothing like that.Ko a zamanin da din people want to have male children ne so they could help with the farming because they are stronger.There are things that only a man can do(a woman can attept and be successful) and there are also things that only a woman can do(and a man can attept and be successful).One more thing,we are the same species dan barno(got you there.hahaha).

Of course man is on the average superior and wiser. What do you mean  >:(

Did I miss some private joke? As much as I hate to chime in on other's bussiness,your comment's not only offending,mysogynistic and sexist,it's also pretty disturbing that a well educated 21st century man would indulge in sheer narrow-mindedness.Men are NEITHER superior NOR   wiser than women.Unless,of course,you equate physical strength with wisdom,which would have been even MORE disappointing.You shall be forgiven though,given that probably you,like me,grew up in a strictly patriarchal/male totalitarian and  setting where male dominance trumps simple logic.It'd be interesting for you to know that several profoundly concrete studies exist suggesting that women are,in fact,on an average,23% more intelligent than men.SMH!

Quote from: dan kauye on January 07, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
given that probably you, like me,grew up in a strictly patriarchal/male totalitarian and  setting where male dominance trumps simple logic.

Which other setting/civilization do you know that doesnt
practice the patriarchal/male totalitarian system?

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 07, 2008, 06:50:00 PM

Quote from: dan kauye on January 07, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
given that probably you, like me,grew up in a strictly patriarchal/male totalitarian and  setting where male dominance trumps simple logic.

Which other setting/civilization do you know that doesnt
practice the patriarchal/male totalitarian system?

Dan Borno ba kasan many societies in Ghana practice a matriarchal system of hierarchy and inheritance ba??? Mazan Nigeria ne suke da san girma kamar gyambo! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Kema kin fada Auntyn Muhsin, you have nothin to offer
on this issue, sai dai kiyi ta kame kame.  History has made
it clear to us that men are never equal with men, nature
has proved it also.

Where is Dan-Kauye ne?

Yes Danborno, ina tare da kai akan wannan. Wai ma, in tambayesu, ina ka taba ganin mace tana irin wadannan aiyukan?

1. Sai da shayi a bakin hanya.

2. Kira (blacksmithing)

3. Kwaban kasa.

4 Yekuwa.

5. Sanaar pawa. (yanka da fida)

6. Su (fishing)

7. Wanzanci

8. Dan dako.

9. Sarauta (musamman ta sarkin yaki)

10. Sanaar wanki da guga.

11. Shugabanci ( in countries like America, a woman has never been President, why?.)


In a situation where globally women are being urged to raise and assert themselves by trying to be "manly" like the males, is difficult to understand and accomplish. We in this part of the world, know very well that a woman is highly coveted and respected. She is given almost everything she needs, especially as a housewife. The issue of gender equality is not for us harp on. Afterall, even Eve (Hauwa'u) was created out of the first human to be created by Allah SWA, Prophet Adam's (SA) ribs. This does not mean that a woman should be considered inferior, or as a possession of the male. No. She equally has a lot of rights and previleges, perhaps more than even that of the man, as provided for by the Almighty. Someone asked a very good question, why was there never a woman Prophet sent to the mankind by Allahu SWT?

Quote from:  waduzWe in this part of the world, know very well that a woman is highly coveted and respected. She is given almost everything she needs, especially as a housewife

Wai ma!!
Sai ku rika fadan abin da yakamata ku aikata, amma  ba kwa aikatawa! A yaushe mace ta sami wannan darajar a idon namiji bahaushe, ko kuwa dan arewan  Nigeria? Inda hakan gaskiyane, ai baza a sami alkaluman da suke nuna adadin auren da ke rabuwa ya wuce kima ba,  tunda saki a haraabar maza yake ba mata ba. Sai namiji yaa saki matarsa, take sakuwa. In ba haka ba, sai dai ta kai shi kotu in itace take son a rabu. Amma adadin namiji ya saki matarsa ya linkaa, linkin balinki a kan mace ta nemi a rabu a hukumnace. Saboda haka maza ne sukan janyo yawan mace macen aure. To yaya za ka fada mana  cewa maza naa daraja mataa?

Kuma ma akwai wa'yan su mazan basu da wata hanyar nishaadi sai dai auri-saki, in Allah Ya dan buda musu kofar arziki. Kuma baza su tashi sakin macen ba sai  ta haihu a gidan, ko ta samu juna biyu. Muddin batayi daya daga cikin biyun nan ba, to, ta tsira zuwa wani takaitaccen lokacin da mijin zai nemi wani dalili dan zai sa ya sake ta.

Bayan haka sai kaji namiji na fadawa matar sa,  "ai gaku nan a zube kamar kara, kunyi yawa a kan titi; sai wacce na zaba na darje!" Kokuwa kaji cewa mace tana nakuda, haihuwa na neman kawo mata cikas ko tazo mata da illa, amma sai mai gidan yace in ta je asibiti abakin auren ta!! Ko kuwa abin da za ta kai bakin salati ya gagare ta saboda shi mijin bai barta ta nema ba, kuma shi bai bata ba.
Duk wa'yannan halayen mazan arewa ne. To ina wani coveting and respect anan? Kudai maza naku na fatar baka ne, game da abin da Allah da Annanbin Sa Suka umarce ku kuyi, amma ba a aiwace yake ba.

Quote from: dan kauye on January 07, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
Did I miss some private joke? As much as I hate to chime in on other's bussiness,your comment's not only offending,mysogynistic and sexist,it's also pretty disturbing that a well educated 21st century man would indulge in sheer narrow-mindedness.Men are NEITHER superior NOR   wiser than women.Unless,of course,you equate physical strength with wisdom,which would have been even MORE disappointing.You shall be forgiven though,given that probably you,like me,grew up in a strictly patriarchal/male totalitarian and  setting where male dominance trumps simple logic.It'd be interesting for you to know that several profoundly concrete studies exist suggesting that women are,in fact,on an average,23% more intelligent than men.SMH!

I had meant it initially as a 'tsokana'. Forget the smiley, it was a light post. But. But. Now that you've taken it so serious, let tell me you that man is superior to woman. Of course "superiour" here is open to intepretation. But suffice it to say that God in His infinite mercy has a reason for making man the Imam, the leader in the society, His prophets and decreed that man is the de-facto head of the family. It is NOT for physical strenght. Forget any bullsh1t "study". Ba wani study da yafi abin da Allah (SWT) Ya yi, ko Ya ce ayi. Ka kuma abinda Manzon Allah (SAW) ya aikata, kuma yayi nuni da shi. That's all I have to say on this.

Bakangizo, duk abin da zaka fada ba zai shiga kunnensu
ba, because they have been brainwashed already and
will never accept the superiority of man over woman.

 The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A'La Maududi, the Meaning of the Qur'an, vol. 1, p. 165)

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says: Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other.(Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)

I frankly believe that a man is superior 2 woman 4 d plain reasons that it was wat I was designed to believe from home, based on principles of religion n culture. Forget culture, I have accepted this rule of authority only 4 religious purpose & will not hesitate demonstrating appropriate respects on to a man (raise your toast Dan-Borno, am sure u eager to do that). Men are protectors and maintainers of women therefore women must be devoutly obedient, no doubt! However our ultimate maintenance n protector is God! So just because you got extra muscles don't mean your right of passage 2 ill power vested on "inferior women". Cant blame ur kind because d overexcitement of this superiority has made some of u 2 selfishly overuse that authority & enforcedly pushed into our noses that "YOU IZ THE BOSS"!!! Relax dude, dnt bust a muscle! The writings on the wall and we already know it!!!! 

God! This inconsiderable feel for machoness........has wiped it off from their brains that d  interdependency of men and women is also recognized in Islam. Hello!!! Despite it being lucid to even a blind man, you snub this fact off or turn it into travesty. Some of you utilize and exaggerate that degree of superiority by your over-boisterous selves to unleash abuse onto the most vulnerable women in the society that's why sometimes I no dey blame ppl like Honty Afusatu! ;D

Sha, let me salute you for permitting the ecstasy of the 'manpower' exhume u, as myself and other female counterparts who share the same view sit by the corners & mock you. Like it wasn't Eve who made Adam bite on the Apple. Now who tha Boss!!!! ;D yet they allege being in control. Stop fooling urselves!!!!! ;D

Oops....sorry I didn't know I walked into the men's closet. Forgive my act of felony. (rolls eyes)

Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM


Oops....sorry I didn't know I walked into the men's closet. Forgive my act of felony. (rolls eyes)

I think u did not walked, u are a tailor of some kind cos i agreed with what u said,



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Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM


Like it wasn't Eve who made Adam bite on the Apple. Now who tha Boss!!!! ;D yet they allege being in control. Stop fooling urselves!!!!! ;D

but I'd say thats not boss like, its kind of ... what shall i say... ahh, advice. women are there to give men advice too


I think women too ought to have their wardrobe too, or is it existing?

Wai, yau na shiga uku na tabo Ummita, despite the slamming...
The main aim of this thread is not to battle for the position of
'who is who' between the gender, however, the main focus of
this thread is purely to 'curtail' the unauthorised excess luggage
carried by the women folk.

Dont be carried away, on several occasion we refer to the
Beijing Declaration and make references to issues like inheritance,
divorce, birth control, conjugal relation (the time table issue) etc.
We are only CAUTIONING you and preparing ourselves (men) in
the event that such things succeeded in our society (Nigeria).
It is never our intention to forcefully take what is naturally yours.

Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM
Like it wasn’t Eve who made Adam bite on the Apple. Now who tha Boss!!!! ;D

Yes, its one of those Allah's Bounties on you women, the experiment
started with our father (Adam) and it worked - uptil now you are
in charge when it comes to this - for my own good let me keep mute.
(DB raises his hands up in surrender).

Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM
Oops….sorry I didn’t know I walked into the men’s closet. Forgive my act of felony. (rolls eyes)[/color]

Dont mind, Husnaa's licence extends to all her friends as well.

Quote from: repeated

Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM
  Like it wasn't Eve who made Adam bite on the Apple. Now who tha Boss!!!! ;D yet they allege being in control. Stop fooling urselves!!!!! ;D

Oops....sorry I didn't know I walked into the men's closet. Forgive my act of felony. (rolls eyes)

Quote from: arubuta on January 15, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
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Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM
Like it wasn't Eve who made Adam bite on the Apple. Now who tha Boss!!!! ;D yet they allege being in control. Stop fooling urselves!!!!! ;D

but I'd say thats not boss like, its kind of ... what shall i say... ahh, advice. women are there to give men advice too
I think women too ought to have their wardrobe too, or is it existing?

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 15, 2008, 08:13:41 PM

Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM
Like it wasn't Eve who made Adam bite on the Apple. Now who tha Boss!!!! ;D

Yes, its one of those Allah's Bounties on you women, the experiment
started with our father (Adam) and it worked - uptil now you are
in charge when it comes to this - for my own good let me keep mute.
(DB raises his hands up in surrender).

I'd like to remind all of you that it is erroneous to believe that Eve enticed Adam to eat the apple. That is not an islamic doctrine, it is part of the christian dogma, and ironically enough, it is one of the reasons why women in Europe in the middle ages and up to the suffrage movement were subjugated by men in Europe (at least) and still up to the 70s were given unequal treatment. Its not that women didnt have a bad deal elsewhere all over the world and still do, but Its just that this comment of ummita's is like what hausawa say: Faduwa ta zo daidai da zama, in the sense that she touched upon one of the basic causes of female maltreatment within the christian world at least.

What the Qur'an says about Adam Eve and the apple is that it was the waswas of shaytan that made the two of them (not only Adam) eat from the tree. An apple was never mentioned either. Shaytan enticed them to believe that the tree was a tree of eternal life. Our father Adam consumed it together with our mother Eve and then they became aware of their aurats (what's the arabic plural eh DB  you know that language so well). Then they grabbed at leaves to hide themselves. Then they became remorseful because they realized that they had disobeyed Allah SWT. Then they asked Allah's Forgiveness, and Allah Forgave them, but also Took them out of Aljannat. Eve had nothing to do with enticing Adam, because in the Quran, Shaytan approached BOTH of them and no where did it ever mention that Eve made Adam eat it, and also they both repented. 

We must realize that all this was in the Perfect Plan of Allah; that these were events that must happen in order to lead to the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise. Even Shaytan was just an instrument in the Plan of the Creator. But because in christian doctrine, it was eve that enticed adam, it became the norm for women to be maligned and called all sorts of named by the monks and preachers and missionaries and ultimately every other man of the 19th century downwards.. "Instruments of the Devil" was one popular name given to women by these over zealous bigots.. who go and do worse behind closed doors.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 15, 2008, 08:13:41 PM
this thread is purely to 'curtail' the unauthorised excess luggage
carried by the women folk...................

Dont be carried away, on several occasion we refer to the
Beijing Declaration and make references to issues like inheritance,
divorce, birth control, conjugal relation (the time table issue) etc.
We are only CAUTIONING you and preparing ourselves (men) in
the event that such things succeeded in our society (Nigeria).
It is never our intention to forcefully take what is naturally yours.

If women carried xs baggage, it was because  the men made them do so. In tura ta kai bango ai kuma sai ramuwa, ko ba haka ba? The irony is that if men had been in the habit of treating women well with all the attendant rights granted to women by Allah SWT, then there'd have been no need for women's suffrage, no need for the Beijing Declaration no need for women to strive as hard as men do. Women in society have to strive and be twice better than a man, before they are recognized as being as good as a man.. so that is why women become aggressively competitive. But if women were given the positive and empowering recognition they deserved for being women and being as good as a man at the same time, who'd want to be a man or act like a man? Its unnatural!


Which woman wants to behave as if she's under the influence of a dose of  adrenaline driven testesterone?  But some do so because they have no choice. What most women would really like and want and need is to feel petted  cosseted, taken care of,  protected and know that there is a hard muscular shoulder to lean on close by.. but you guys... u destroyed all that. Everything you guys complain about in women, you are the genesis of them!!!   

What goes round comes round is a very apt statement. Its like what's happening right at this moment in time with this massive illegal exodus of African migrants to european shores. What has happened is that what kept going round for some 2-3 centuries, is finally coming round. When the Europeans decided to pillage Africa in order to make what Europe is today and then continued to pillage her regardless, they never gave a thought to the fact that if they didnt give back to Africa in what ever positive kind,  what they took from her, the ppl whom they keep robbing would be in such miserable conditions that they'd have no alternative  but to seek a share of the cake which was rightfully theirs where ever it was to be found. And since it is not to be had at home as the cake has migrated to Europe,  then they'd migrate and follow it to where ever it can be had. This is simple and righteous common sense and  yet the Europeans dont like it because it displaces the balance of their own economies. Well what else did they expect? That paydirt wont become payback? Now that they've realized their mistakes, they are half heartedly trying to make token amendments which dont work at all because the amendments are still riddled with selfish intent.

So in effect that is what you men have done and are complaining because the tables have been turned on you by your own handiwork.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 15, 2008, 08:13:41 PM

Quote from: ummita on January 15, 2008, 06:47:52 PM
Oops....sorry I didn't know I walked into the men's closet. Forgive my act of felony. (rolls eyes)[/color]

Dont mind, Husnaa's licence extends to all her friends as well.

Licence.. we dont need a licence Mallam DB! I will have u know. Encroach on our turf, and u will certainly feel the repercussions.... who needs a licence for that? ;D ;D

Each posting of Auntyn Muhsin comes around with an entirely
new issue.  Thanks for the refreshment on the issue of Adam
and Eve, definitely the story of Apple is (Isra'iliyya) founded on
false theories.  Allah ba da lada.

This brings us to the issue at hand.  Are you saying that the
present xcess luggage carried by women are caused by men?
If yes, does that give them the audacity to take the laws into
their hand?

The issue here is not about revenge, because the past is past
and the present day is full of cool, standard and purified Islamic
knowledge that we can make us of. 

Husnaa's licence revoked with effect from 1/2/09

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 10:57:29 AM
This brings us to the issue at hand.  Are you saying that the
present xcess luggage carried by women are caused by men?

yes

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 10:57:29 AMIf yes, does that give them the audacity to take the laws into their hand?

Its not women taking the law into their own hands, its the law working by itself..  something  like Newtons'  second (or third?) law of motion: 'action and reaction are equal and opposite'
In other words 'do me I do u.' 8)

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 10:57:29 AMThe issue here is not about revenge, because the past is past
and the present day is full of cool, standard and purified Islamic
knowledge that we can make us of. 

No one is contesting muamala between men and women under the islamic jurisdiction, but its a give and take... you give fairly you receive fairly. You cant decide to be crooked and expect to everything to turn out straight. So if u give women the fairness they deserve, you get what u deserve out of them as well. ko ba haka ba?

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 10:57:29 AMHusnaa's licence revoked with effect from 1/2/09

lol! ;D

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Wato dai ramokon gayya tafi ta gayya zafi ko?  ;D

guys i'm lost here, whats the excess luggage that they carry. i thought women liked shopping not men?

and is it true that har yanzu men are not being fair to women, cha na ke ada ne.

about adam and eve story of ummita, she is just trying to express her inner feeling, ba wai ta yadda da story din bane. ko ba haka ba?

RIGHT ON SISTER ::)

Quote from: arubuta on January 17, 2008, 12:42:24 AM
guys i'm lost here, whats the excess luggage that they carry. i thought women liked shopping not men?

and is it true that har yanzu men are not being fair to women, cha na ke ada ne.

about adam and eve story of ummita, she is just trying to express her inner feeling, ba wai ta yadda da story din bane. ko ba haka ba?

Lol Arubuta ashe u are a girl? I no sabioooooo; sorry for ignoring yr re entrance to the forum. I was under the impression u were a guy. Una welcome back prodigal daughter ;D ;D

are u for real when u asked whether its true men are not being fair to women STILL (shakes head!!) amaizing statement!! With irin su Kam Bornoye around, ( :P  ) I dont think women will ever get the justice they deserve from men ;D

That story of Adam, eve and the apple, I used to believe it also before I read the Quranic version. When I was young, I used to read the bible (the old testament)  sosai sosai  because of all the stories of the prophets their in. It was very interesting but very detailed oh God! like reading an official court document  and x begat y and y begat z and z begat xy and so on and so forth ad infinitum. That is where I got the story of eve adam and the accursed apple. and I did believe in it.  I guess ummitta may also believe in this unofficial version if she didnt really know the true version. But now she will at any rate. So it will hopefully disabuse her of the wrong one. Bayan haka ma, the true version are the Words of the Creator, so we mustnt play around with the truth, knowingly or not..saboda sabo mukeyi all the time if we dont know that.

---

husnaa, thanks for welcoming me back. why were u thinking i'm a guy?

anyway i'm serious about the ill treatment STILL or justice. why i asked is because i thought those men that do such a thing are in the minority. with i around i know those minority men will changed. shi ya sa kuke nan ai dan ku juya wa su Bornoye ra'ayin su, ku dawo da su hanyar da take dama-dama.

what about the excess luggege?

Arubuta, u still insisting on the excess luggage, i guess we need to bring DB back to elaborate more on that.

U know i too was thinking u r a guy ;D, anyway welcome on board :).

would like to ask those of u who had been to the kanoonline 1st literature award @ the british council years ago.
if u've been then u've seen arubuta then.
well. i wud just like to know why all of u think arubuta is a girl, i know its because of the name... right?
well i wud just say follow ur instincts, arubuta isn't a girl, u were right all along
sorry ladies, the comment i was making that made u tot i was a gils is that i wa making it from the girls point of view.
its better i confess. so that how ladies are they only welcomed be back wen they tot i was a girl
sorry guys

my sincere apology

DB

Quote from: Mufi on January 17, 2008, 07:42:10 PM
Arubuta, u still insisting on the excess luggage, i guess we need to bring DB back to elaborate more on that.

waitnig for u DB

Quote from: arubuta on January 18, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
i wud just like to know why all of u think arubuta is a girl, i know its because of the name... right?
well i wud just say follow ur instincts, arubuta isn't a girl, u were right all along

my sincere apology

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Lol, cleaning out his closset...next? Anyone got any confessions

Quote from: arubuta on January 18, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
would like to ask those of u who had been to the kanoonline 1st literature award @ the british council years ago.
if u've been then u've seen arubuta then.
well. i wud just like to know why all of u think arubuta is a girl, i know its because of the name... right?
well i wud just say follow ur instincts, arubuta isn't a girl, u were right all along
sorry ladies, the comment i was making that made u tot i was a gils is that i wa making it from the girls point of view.
its better i confess. so that how ladies are they only welcomed be back wen they tot i was a girl
sorry guys

my sincere apology

Well all along arubuta sounded too masculine anyway. it was the comment u made about 'we ladies' (see yr quote below from WHY DO GIRLS RESERVE THEIR AFFECTIONS?' that made me at least revise my opinion. Maybe u were trying to quote someone and it didnt come out quite right and ended up looking as if it was yr own sentiment.

Quote from: arubutayou can imagine GGNK ta sani, tana sane, ba son shi take ba, maybe (i really don't want to say this, its an abuse to we ladies  Huh?)  ohh what the ....
she used him.

As for that little dig at me..( :P)... 'how ladies are they only welcomed me back when they thought I was a girl'.. to me ka ke so ayi maka? Think of it this way, if I was in a group of ppl  and you were part of that group, but happened to be away at the time, and I was a late entrant so I didnt know about you, if u came back and everyone started jumping for joy, would I emulate them just bcos I am part of the bunch? No. I would wait to know u better first before I strike up a conversation or wait to be formally introduced, or wait for u to make the first move. On the other hand if it were a woman, I'd not exactly jump for joy, but I'd say hi and welcome back. I'd approach her maybe before she approaches me (depending on her outlook of course). Its just the way it goes that's all. I guess one does it unconsciously onscreen also.



PS XS BAGGAGE: I think DB means women are too sensitive and touchy where the topic of men versus women is concerned. But ask him..

Arubuta, Husanaa and Mufi, kun bani dariya. LOL ;D :D

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 11:46:06 AM
Wato dai ramokon gayya tafi ta gayya zafi ko?  ;D

hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 11:46:06 AM
Wato dai ramokon gayya tafi ta gayya zafi ko?  ;D

hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Hafsee kenan, dotting the i 's (hmm bari in kara da j 's) and crossing the t 's

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Haba my L**, kina son kice bani jin hausa ne? by the
way where have you been ne?  ko dai ?????????????

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 30, 2008, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Haba my L**, kina son kice bani jin hausa ne? by the
way where have you been ne?  ko dai ?????????????

DBN, matsa dai mutumina! Na ga dan haske kadan game da wannan! Ni kam, to, ba dai magana! Abu kaman an yi wa Mimun kurciya!! :'( :'( :'(

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 30, 2008, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Haba my L**, kina son kice bani jin hausa ne? by the
way where have you been ne?  ko dai ?????????????

heeyyyyyy wetın u call ne wetın be the meanıng of L asterıcks. call me old fashıon but am not educated yet baout that short hand L** HMM ok muje zuwa.

Quote from: arubuta on January 29, 2008, 08:08:07 PM

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 16, 2008, 11:46:06 AM
Wato dai ramokon gayya tafi ta gayya zafi ko?  ;D

hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Hafsee kenan, dotting the i 's (hmm bari in kara da j 's) and crossing the t 's

ehen.... whats up wıth the ı's anf the j's hey ta leats my j's have dots on them and the i's also do now.

Quote from: hafsee on February 06, 2008, 09:57:10 AM

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 30, 2008, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Haba my L**, kina son kice bani jin hausa ne? by the
way where have you been ne?  ko dai ?????????????

heeyyyyyy wetın u call ne wetın be the meanıng of L asterıcks. call me old fashıon but am not educated yet baout that short hand L** HMM ok muje zuwa.

Haba ke kuwa. Ki gane mana.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 06, 2008, 10:13:47 AM

Quote from: hafsee on February 06, 2008, 09:57:10 AM

Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 30, 2008, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: hafsee on January 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
hmmm ına ırın munjı hausa dın nan ;)

Haba my L**, kina son kice bani jin hausa ne? by the
way where have you been ne?  ko dai ?????????????

heeyyyyyy wetın u call ne wetın be the meanıng of L asterıcks. call me old fashıon but am not educated yet baout that short hand L** HMM ok muje zuwa.

Haba ke kuwa. Ki gane mana.

na kokarta amma haryanzu ına tunanı mene L**? saboda my name has nuthıng wıth L ın ıt

Think outside the box, think outside the box. Forget your name; how many words starts with an 'L', and has three letters?  - Lie? Lot? Lob? Lab? Lad? Loo?  :o, eh...L^v?. Kai ga su nan dai da yawa. ;D

BKG, ai ka manta akwai wanda suka fara da lu, lo, amma dai shi DBN ya mana bayani wanne yake nufi? ;D

Kai Bakan Gizo da Waduz kun cika sa ido har kun
sa Hafsee ta fara misbehaving.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on February 06, 2008, 05:31:38 PM
Kai Bakan Gizo da Waduz kun cika sa ido har kun
sa Hafsee ta fara misbehaving.

hmmmmmm........ mısbehavıng ındeed. no serıously btewen u and who ıs mısbehavıng
anyway your better off wrıtıng ın englısh because am sure ıf u were to wrıte what u saıd about me mısbehavıng ın hausa u wıll fumble. hahaha ;D

hafsee kina nufin DB markada
hausa da turanci yake kenan?
DB may be its bacause of the B
shi ya sa

oh

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 06, 2008, 11:00:32 AM
Think outside the box, think outside the box. Forget your name; how many words starts with an 'L', and has three letters?  - Lie? Lot? Lob? Lab? Lad? Loo?  :o, eh...L^v?. Kai ga su nan dai da yawa. ;D

am let do a little arithmetic here
(Lie, Lot, Lob, Lab, Lad, Loo Kai ga su nan dai da yawa) minus (those three lettered words thats stats with L and end with V)
where L*V can be an abbreviation      end

SCENARIO

The girl is matured enough, infact, she just graduated from
of these universities in Nigeria.  So, she saw this cute guy
with "Mai Babbar Mota" and she fell for him (as usual with
girls).  The courtship was for only 4 months with the active
support from both parents, though there was this pockets
of resistance from both sides of their friends that they were
incompatible.

A date was fixed for the marriage.  On the eve of the marriage,
there was this "Bachelors Eve Party" mun chashe so sai
that night.  From no where the bride came to see her ango
kaca kaca under heavy intoxication, he was so happy that
he is going to marry this girl that he ordered for beers with
the consent of some of his friends, they drank so tey they
dont recognise anybody.  They dance like Ibro in his Awilo's
Album.

The problem now is, the lady wants to change her mind, that
she is no longer interested in this guy marrying her, as far
as she is concern the marriage is over.

On the marriage day, as early as 6:00am when the hang over
left him with the help of some powerful  'dol' family drugs, he
was called at the bride's house to inform him of the lady's
decision.  He was there with all his friends and family, he
went on his knees and confess that he will no longer drink
this 'so called' beer.  Kuma karya yake yi wallahi, mu mun san
cewa shahararren dan iska ne a garin.

So, the ball is in lady's court, and the time for marriage is fixed
for 10:30 am prompt.

If at all she is your DAUGHTER, SISTER, COUSIN SISTER or one
of these very close extended family sister,  What is your
advice to her and the family.

Mr. DB kenan, wai wats da advise

frankly, there are two options here:
she should not marry the guy or
kar ta yadda ya aure ta

idan mutun ya san shaaranren dan iska ne
to ai dama shawarar da zai bayar ita ce
kar a bashi matar, Ma'ana kar ayi auren,
idan kuma mai ba da shawarar bai san dan iska
bane, (oops forgot u asked in English)

so if the adviser doesn't know dan iska ne
but he should have heard the thing that happens
at the Bachelors eve party.
definitely if u love that girl and her future
you say no to that marriage.

it goes like this, never trust a drinker, even if he says
he has quit.
it ADDICTIVE and addiction is a terrible thing
its difficult to stop.

let her change her mind, the courtship timing is
too short for my liking hmm.. 4 months.
thats why she did not know the true inner guy
that wants to marry her. but i dont blame her, its society
(the guys that are ready for marriage are a bit unavailable)
plus the girls' liking for rich people as husbands (sorry girls
sometimes the truth hurts)

well DB the first paragraph says it all
kowa ya san naka stands din.

anyway my advise to her is:
he did it before he can do it again, who knows what he'll
do to you, alone one faithful night coming back from one
of those pubs, beating,? or even worse, and u bearly
know him. if u love yourself, stop the marriage, u can find
a better guy, don't be in a haste.

to the parents:
please don't allow her to marry him. think of her future
her life and your grandchildren. his not trust worthy.

Well said arubuta.

The girl's mind would never be at rest knowing that her husband is a heavy drinker.
How could he be drunk on the eve of his wedding.He'll go to the wedding with a hangover.

It is a complicated issue sha.

GGNK, ai ya sha giyanne out of happiness that he
is getting married  8)

And most likely it has cost him his marriage.

You wonder what some people do for marriage.

A friend once told me that wani a unguwar su was about to get married to a girl.
The guy was now afraid that since he has not made love to a girl before, he might actually not impress the girl when she comes in,and kuma ka san maza want to impress their wife on the first night.
The guy expressed his fear to his friends who advised him to go and get an 'ashawo' that he can practice on.
He heeded to their advice and got one a week to the wedding and took her to his bunk.
Unfortunately after the practice the girl ta fara ciwon ciki (ashe bata da isasshiyar lafiya) and she died in his room,middle of the night.

Mutumin naka ya rasa yadda zai yi.
He decided to go and dump her in a nearby pond.
He wrapped her up in a mat (tabarma) and on his way to the pond was seen by vigilante group on patrol.
Asked what was he carrying, he broke in tears.
He was sentenced to years in prison (i don't know how many years) but he sure didn't marry he girl.


See how people misbehave just prior to marriage ko.


Dan haka abokin ka da ya sha giya yayi wa kan shi.
Next time tell him to drink coca cola on his bachelor's eve  ;D

Quote from: gogannaka on February 11, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
and she died in his room, middle of the night.
Mutumin naka ya rasa yadda zai yi.
He decided to go and dump her in a nearby pond.
He wrapped her up in a mat (tabarma) and on his way to the pond was seen by vigilante group on patrol.
Asked what was he carrying, he broke in tears.
He was sentenced to years in prison (i don't know how many years) but he sure didn't marry he girl.
See how people misbehave just prior to marriage ko.

Dan haka abokin ka da ya sha giya yayi wa kan shi.
Next time tell him to drink coca cola on his bachelor's eve  ;D

:o   :o  Inna lillah, your friend's case is even worst than that
of my friends own lol.

Haba kai kuma GGNK, yaya zai sha coca cola after there are
more 'manly' drinks available.  coca cola ai sai abar wa mata
da kuma yan kauye. (quoting abokan ango at kaduna)

DBN, kai......wannene kuma "manly drinks? Ko dai kana nufin irinsu kunun zaki da zobo ne? ;D ;D ;D

Yes Waduz, how did you know their nick names
ko dai they are your favourites ne? Kunun Zaki
and Zobo yes, you got them right.

Nicknames for what???????????? Oh, i.c ;D ;D ;D ;D

good you c.  so how does it taste Waduz

Jaja jajannan, zobo ko? Ai it tastes sour! Amma it tastes better if the drop of flavour is not much!!!!!!!

good waduz, you will be appointed our chief consultant on
men's drink in this forum.

this case came up earlier this week, and there is need to
dissect the case and classified it under men's wardrobe.

we have seen several cases alike, and men knew it, we
don't have to deny it all the time acting holier than.........
this guy was newly employed in one of these giants nnpc
subcidiaries that paid handsomely.  his marriage was only
6 months old, for those who are married knew that period
is still within the most sweetest moments.

they graduated from the same university, though he is one
year ahead of her.

now, after six months of marriage, as usual, it is the desire
of every man to see that his wife conceives for the first
time, but shiru kake ji.  they both become worried and he
eventually took her to a gynae doctor who after several
check ups and tests declared that her uterus has suffered
some minor injuries  as a result of previous abortion(s).
the gynae further  disclosed that she might not get pregnant
because of the scar tissue in the uterus which would make it
harder for an embryo to implant.

the young guy tried to explain to the doctor that his newly
wed amarya was virgin when he met her, so, how could this
be possible?  the doctor told him that that was the result of
his tests and examination, whether his wife was virgin or not
is not an issue to be discussed in the hospital, may be home
will be better.

issues:
(a)  is the bride virgin on their first night? if yes, how come
      she got a damaged uterus confirmed to be caused by
      several abortions.  How come the ango didnt notice that
      she is not a virgin if truely she is not a virgin?

(b)  the guy is now under pressure from his family never to
      sleep with her until this case has been resolved.

(c)  Is it a bad idea for a lady to inform her fiancée that she
      is not virgin as he expects and the guy to also tell her the
      truth that he is also not a virgin?

they love each other, what is the way out now?

Babban magana.

a) I think they should go for a secong confirmation test. It is a very heavy discovery, and the outcome can be quite devastating, especially on the girl if she's innocent but they wrongly relied on the first test. As for why the husband failed to notice that she wasn't a virgin, I remember hearing that it is possible for a woman to conceal that. That a way have been devised, using some herbs, medicines, exercises and what have you. So it is difficult for an inexperienced (assuming he is inexperienced ;D) man to know the difference in that respect. Besides, it is not uncommon for girls to lose their virginity in different ways once they reach certain age.

b) I'm not sure I support that, but knowing our society, I'm not suprised. I believe we've  missed one important issue. What was the relationship like prior to the marriage? I mean, ka san akwai irin wannan soyayyar ta unibasiti wadda kar ta san kar ne ;) Did she present herself to him as this, 'clean, innocent. vituors' girl? Did she promise him, or gave him the impression, expressly or impliedly, that she's a virgin? I know that for most men that is the general expectation and is taken for granted. But there are exceptions, and if the answer to the above questions is negative, then it is unfair for him to turn back and blame the girl. I mean, kowa ya sai rariya ya san zata zubar da ruwa.

c) It is not bad to open up about the true state of your position to your proposed spouse. It is even desirable. It will save lot of headaches in the future.

Since they love each other, they should just carry on. He should consider having a second wife in the future if he so much love to have kids, provided all avenues of curing his wife have been exhausted without a positive result.

Quote from: gogannaka on February 11, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
Well said arubuta.

The girl's mind would never be at rest knowing that her husband is a heavy drinker.
How could he be drunk on the eve of his wedding.He'll go to the wedding with a hangover.

It is a complicated issue sha.

Goga, menene kuma "hangover"? Ko rataya kake nufi?

Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 07, 2009, 05:24:12 PM
good waduz, you will be appointed our chief consultant on
men's drink in this forum.

this case came up earlier this week, and there is need to
dissect the case and classified it under men's wardrobe.

we have seen several cases alike, and men knew it, we
don't have to deny it all the time acting holier than.........
this guy was newly employed in one of these giants nnpc
subcidiaries that paid handsomely.  his marriage was only
6 months old, for those who are married knew that period
is still within the most sweetest moments.

they graduated from the same university, though he is one
year ahead of her.

now, after six months of marriage, as usual, it is the desire
of every man to see that his wife conceives for the first
time, but shiru kake ji.  they both become worried and he
eventually took her to a gynae doctor who after several
check ups and tests declared that her uterus has suffered
some minor injuries  as a result of previous abortion(s).
the gynae further  disclosed that she might not get pregnant
because of the scar tissue in the uterus which would make it
harder for an embryo to implant.

the young guy tried to explain to the doctor that his newly
wed amarya was virgin when he met her, so, how could this
be possible?  the doctor told him that that was the result of
his tests and examination, whether his wife was virgin or not
is not an issue to be discussed in the hospital, may be home
will be better.

issues:
(a)  is the bride virgin on their first night? if yes, how come
      she got a damaged uterus confirmed to be caused by
      several abortions.  How come the ango didnt notice that
      she is not a virgin if truely she is not a virgin?

(b)  the guy is now under pressure from his family never to
      sleep with her until this case has been resolved.

(c)  Is it a bad idea for a lady to inform her fiancée that she
      is not virgin as he expects and the guy to also tell her the
      truth that he is also not a virgin?

they love each other, what is the way out now?

Baka gaya mana yadda aka kare ba.

Sarkin Baka, lamarin an koma rokon Allah, kasan dan
arewa akwai imani sosai.

this one is also a brand new case and very much involved
in it, infact, nine alwalin yarinya and her dowry is still with
me.

the marriage is not up to a month now, and i promise never
to be involved in a marriage where thorough hiv/aids is not
conducted, this case is an eye opener to me and insha Allah
continue the propaganda to other ulamas never to give fatiya
to any marriage without presenting certificate of fitness.

on the wedding nyt, while the guy is busy undressing to taste
his new flower, she broke into tears and confessed that she
is hiv positive and infact she has even started taking drugs
(antiretroviral) - jhon thomas nan take ta kwanta, sai gumi
and he called me that nite and explain everything to me
as her alwali.

kai Allah ya rabamu da abin kunya, lallai arewa muna sakaci
and i can see it from my actions wallahi, dole mu farka mu
rika yin yanda yakama ayi.

nace masa wannan auren is spoilt ab initio saboda an boye
wani aibu and was not disclosed to the other party until after
the marriage.

Allah ya kyauta kuma wallahi ayi hattara a rika tambayar
hiv test certificate kafin a daura aure kuma a kai sako zuwa
ga masu unguwa da alarammomi.

happy weekend.

Wai! Lallai wannan ya tsallake rijiya da baya. Phew! To wani imani ne yazo mata ta gaya masa "at the critical point" ;D? To Allah ya tsare mu, amin. Gaskiyar ka ne, hiv test is impportant. But it is a delicate issue, one that needs to be handled with tact. Some poeple feel offended if asked to go for the test as a pre-condition for marriage.

I also know about a case where this politicain wanted to marry wata bazawara. A very beautiful bazawara at that  ;D Well, the uwargida refused to cooperate, asking to either look for another woman to marry, or at worst ask the bazawara to be tested first. All this because she heard rumours to teh effect that the bazawar is +ve. He refused, wnt ahead and married the lady. Well, uwargida ta tattara kayan ta, ta gudu gidansu.

Its better that she ran away,haka kawai tana zaman zaman ta.

Sincerely this test before marriage should be backed by a law.
DB you can propose it to the national assembly.Serious.

ko? that will also include not allowing two short couples
to avoid shoties, kasan these days guys dont go after short
ladies saboda irin zuciyan bala'i da masifa lol.

lol, gaskiya fa ina da wani aboki da matarsa haka. My wife calls them "Short Couple". They suit each other in a perfect 'mismatch'. ;D

Kasan kowa da abun da yake so.
Wasu suna son ajeru wasu kuma dogaye.

Make i digress a bit,
I have asked DB and EMTL once why someone would go for polygamy and they couldn't answer.
Now i got an answer,unfortunately,the answer came from a christian friend
who happened to be cheating on his wife.The discussion started when i asked him to fear God and be faithful.
He gave me some reasons:
His wife isn't as exciting as the girlfriend
His wife is a traditionalist,its like she's ashamed to be associated with him.
Sometimes when they want to have sex she'll tell him she isn't ready psychologically and that one time he had to wait for 2 and a half weeks.
In her own thoughts she thought he actually waited,not knowing the girlfriend was accomodating him.
Also he is afraid of leaving the girl because he thinks if he leaves her then another one will probably come,so beter the devil you know.
He is also afraid of falling for call girls.
But above all,he loves his wife more than anyone in the world.

Are these enough reason for polygamy?

Quote from: gogannaka on February 15, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
I have asked DB and EMTL once why someone would go for polygamy and they couldn't answer.

yau kuma abin har da durbi ko? lallai mabudi zai yi
maganinka, ni kuma nasan ta inda zan bullo maka
don zan fallashe ka abin da kayi a maiduguri.

in fasa kwai jama'a?

Yes, yes, yes pleasssssssssssssssse!

Quote from: gogannaka on February 15, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
Make i digress a bit,
I have asked DB and EMTL once why someone would go for polygamy and they couldn't answer.

Don't worry. Wait till you marry. You go get d answer by yoursef. Nobody need to tell you.

is it true that wearing tight pants can bring harm to the
man's manhood? it is advised that we should be wearing
short boxers which will allow for free of flow of fresh air.

Young ones are within earshot. Thus members are advised to mind their language. Thanks for understanding.

Ina ruwanka da young ones? We don't have any here. Dama kai ne kake deceiving dinmu, to DB ya tona ma asiri!!

LOL,
Muhsin a kawo birth certificate.
DB your question should be directed at Dr El-Ta'alu as all we say here will have no basis whatsoever.

Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on February 25, 2010, 03:01:26 PM
Ina ruwanka da young ones? We don't have any here. Dama kai ne kake deceiving dinmu, to DB ya tona ma asiri!!

Quote from: gogannaka on February 25, 2010, 03:35:49 PM
LOL,
Muhsin a kawo birth certificate.

:-X

DB, haka za muyi da kai? You see abun da ka jayo min. . . Remember kai ne fa babban shield and protector dina on this board but you too have turned your back. . . You either come and anounce to the world that what you said about my age is false or your contract expires now!

Where is IBB, the para-lawyer?

Reshe ya juye da mujiya.


IBB is now the new Aondaokaa!

i still stand by my earlier statement, let the whole world
know once again, that muhsin is a reincarnation of an old
papa now in disguise, if not, i can display your birth cert
to prove my point.

Gogannaka, this is a general question, though likita might
also contribute, however, experience can help a lot in
understanding the effects of boxers or tight pants.