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« on: January 23, 2003, 12:15:09 AM »

If I am a triblist, it could have been a welcome sight for me that federal govt. of Nigeria had institutionalized ethnic bias in her policies. If you had followed my posts very closely, you would have discovered that my posts have never indulged in labeling any section of the Nigeria tribalistic. However, my posts have kicked against any instance of federal govt. of Nigeria creating classes of distinction among the populace. It is not my style to bring my personal experiences with other ethnic groups in public. I believed that many of us have experienced some form of discrimination either on the bases of ethnicity or religion. Of course, Nigeria is an assembly of many ethnic groups but the federal govt. should not make it worse than is already by institutionalizing ethnic bias.

« on: January 22, 2003, 08:19:16 PM »
I am disappointed that few contributors are calling for the closure of this thread. When young Nigerians could not exercise the demeanor of democratic principles, I tend to question the place of democracy in Nigeria. It is naked fact that a born tribalist always feels uncomfortable debating the issue of tribalism or ethnic bias. Nobody is born wicked rather human beings made a human being to be wicked. I did not know about tribalism or ethnic bias or religious intolerance in Nigeria until the year 1966. This particular year will always remind me that Nigeria is a mere expression of word. It remains a simple word that does not connote anything beyond the sound in the pronunciation of the word or the paper on which it is written. And the actions of subsequent governments have not helped issue in any form or shape. We shall call on the federal govt. of Nigeria to tear down quota system slammed on the recruitment of the young officer?s cadets into Nigerian armed forces. Nigerian govt. should render JAMB (Joint Admission and Matriculation Board) absolute useless. All admission to Nigerian military institutions, academic institutions, recruitment into public services and promotions should be based on meritorious examinations. I have read articles where people are calling Igbos and Yorubas as worst tribalists in Nigeria. Anyway, these people are entitled to their opinion. But I should recalled that no ethnic group in Nigeria that have gone out of their form to embrace people of other ethnic group like the Igbos. Even when the other ethnic groups frown at the presence of the Igbos in their domain, the Igbo kept coming.        

« on: January 17, 2003, 10:35:59 PM »
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. The post has been edited and directed to the right person.

« on: January 17, 2003, 08:28:05 PM »
Amin, you wrote ?Egede1, you have once again succeeded in fragmenting this forum along ethnic lines?. ?I am not quite sure that I have contributed to any debate on the forum before now. But if my intuition serves me right the subject matter teeters along ethnic lines hence tribalism. ?

I do not subscribe to any form tribalism in Nigeria. My post kicked and will continue to kick against institutionalized tribalism. I do not have qualms with the ranting of the Mr. Amin but the Amin did neither fault the QUOTA SYSETEM tailored toward ethnic bias nor that JAMB was erected for ethnic baiting. The arrogance you exhumed when you said ? You can challenge the introduction of JAMB in the court or the national assembly? was understandable. In fact, you are right. ?I have nothing against anybody in Nigeria as my best friend is from northern Nigeria but we must breakdown any government policy that had ethnic aroma robbed all over it. Any adult in Nigeria is matured enough to choose his or her friend from any part of the country. Nonetheless, I will not stand the instance of a fine Nigerian military officer that can not protect my interest because the officer is not from my ethnic group.

Mr. Amin, with all due respect, you should not put words into my mouth. In my post, there was no place ?COMPETENCE? was referenced. And come to talk about competence, which is a subjective reference, every soldier in Nigeria army served in the Civil war with distinction. ?The ill of quota system is that it allows individual who could not have gone through the test of the moment to permeate the system. The rigid test is not only to get rid of those who are academically below par but lacking in character too. ?One of the major problems that saw Nigeria on the wayward path is tribal quota. It is rather unfortunate that you could not remember northern Nigerian military officers who did not make it to the position of Head of State. I could have been wrong in the spelling of his name as ?Nethan Nehu? but sure was a Lieutenant in Nigerian Army ?signals? in 1966.

In addition, I have to duff my hat to the lady who summoned the courage to raise this issue of tribalism in Nigeria. This canker worm is eating into the fabric of our national unity and should be stopped every place it has existed. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

« on: January 15, 2003, 08:46:44 PM »

Your call to censor me from the web and incoherent ranting without proffering alternative to the subject matter or at least suggest solution to the institutionalized tribalism tell all about you-a borderline imbecile. If you are a fit contributor to this debate, you should have highlighted where my post nose-dived. I had expected you to say that there is no tribal or sectional based quota system adapted in the recruitment of officer?s cadets into Nigerian Armed Forces or that JAMB is not erected for ethnic or sectional baiting. Both federal and state public services are strictly tuned to cater for certain ethnic groups. How could you stamp out tribalism in Nigeria when government has institutionalized it? Your buffoonery premise smacks of total idiocy and stream of thought begs for help. Look dude, I am interested in going the whole nine yards in solving the social ills in our society but all the facts should be laid out on the table.        

« on: January 14, 2003, 07:19:56 PM »
Could this post titled ?TRIBALISM? a display of disingenuous shenanigan from the products of feudalistic northern Nigeria? If this debate is born out of soul searching and wiliness to shun the status quo in Nigeria, the country maybe on her way to recovery.  
However, I have been appalled to read the display of lack of ingenuity from northern Nigerians who act in one instance and may want us to believe otherwise. It was a sorry moment for me to watch northern Nigerian lads postulate in denouncing ethnic bias (tribalism) in the lowest denominator. However, talk is very cheap and precipitous actions are very expensive. Did it occur to the contributors to lookup themselves in the mirror and question their sincerity on the subject matter? It is very amazing to watch, sincere or not, the northern Nigerian elements berating tribalism that long served and continue to serve as benevolent spirit to them. It must be recalled that northern Nigerians have immensely benefited from the institutionalized tribalism erected by the federal govt. of Nigeria led by their grandfathers, fathers, uncles and brothers. In fact, there is no doubt that these fellows who indulged in this mockery would trace the footsteps of their tribal-monger past generations into Nigerian government. Introduction of ethnic bias (tribalism) has been the hallmark of feudalistic northern Nigerian since the amalgamation of northern and southern Nigerian protectorates in 1914. In 1959, the northern Nigerian political leaders introduced nepotism, ethnicity and religious intolerance into Nigerian Civil service. Couple years later, the northern Nigerian feudal saw the implementation of institutionalized tribalism-quota system in the recruitment of officer cadets into Nigerian Armed forces. If the intakes of cadets into Nigerian Army were based on meritorious principles rather than tribalism, Nigeria may not have witnessed the likes of Babangida, Abacha, Isa Bukar, Buka Dimka, A Haruna, Nethan Nehu, Murtala Mohammed, M. Buhari etc. When you thought that the northern Nigerian leaders are done making tribalism official act of the government, they slammed Nigerians with J.A.M.B (Joint Admission and Matriculation Board). Yes, the introduction of J.A.M.B was the final sword the feudalistic northern Nigerian struck into the heart of Nigerian academia. I am not surprised that Nigeria is devoid of anything progressively constructive be it academics, politics, economy, industry and even human beings.        

General Board / Re: Should Nigeria continue to exist as one countr
« on: February 26, 2003, 09:24:04 PM »
Based on the models ascribed to Europe, I fondly suggest that the inhabitants of Nigeria would have seen great economic and social progression if the landmark known as Nigeria had been disintegrated into distinct tribes or along compatible tribes. The people of Europe are housed into countries of distinct ethnicity and language. It is not a surprise that most technological advancements in the world are coming out of Europe, Asia or USA where people are grouped according to their ethnicity or within a society that boasts of a dominate culture. Simply put, an American social scientist stated that culture translates into technological and industrial advancement. In the present day Nigeria, there are groups of people who would not want the country to move in a certain direction because of their cultural belief induced by religion or other forces. Nigeria as presently constituted tantamount to economic stagnation and political chaos.          

General Board / Re: Big Picture or Small Picture?
« on: March 14, 2003, 08:04:39 PM »

Israeli state is rightfully situated geographically and otherwise. The people who have an ax to grind with the Jews have done everything imaginable to distort the natural history of the areas in contest. Not too many people knew that all the Jews living in Israel did not come from Europe. There were Jews (Sharpardi) who lived and own lands in the area on which Israeli State was created even before Othman Empire. As a matter of fact, Jews have lost more land in Arab world than the Palestinians have ever done. Large families of Jews were forced to abandon lands, houses and properties in the Arab and non-Arab countries stretching from Morocco to Iran.      

General Board / Re: Big Picture or Small Picture?
« on: March 14, 2003, 12:22:36 AM »

My friend, you know very well that in politics there is no permanent friend but interest. I, also, hope that the Arabs and Islamic movement should be educated on this doctrine too. The Arabs enjoyed the American support during their conflicts with the Israelis in 1940s and 50s and yet, the Arabs and Islamic movement did not characterize American policy as double standard then. The problem in Middle East started in 1948 because the Arabs and Islamic movement frowned at the creation of non-Islamic state in the region. I am disappointed that you used the word ?occupy? to describe the territories held by the State of Israel. The appropriate term should be ?captured? territories so that the required protocol in getting back the land should be applied. Today, Sinai belongs to Egypt because the Egyptians applied all the necessary protocols the International law demanded from the vanquished in order to regain the real estate they lost to Israel during the 1973 conflict. Of course, there is a humiliation that awaits a loser, in this case, the Arab states and armies that lost these territories to the Israelis during 1948, 56, 67 and 73 conflicts. Mind you, that PLO was a terrorist organization formed and financed by the Arabs and Islamic movement to reinvent issues as we see them today in Middle East. I still maintain that Israel has no business negotiating with Palestinians because the territories in dispute were not captured from the Palestinians but from Arab states and armies. Anybody who knew the history of Middle East should come to terms and face the brazen fact that Arab League and its irascible secretary-general Abdul Rahman Parsha should be held accountable for the plight of the Palestinians today. May I ask why the Arabs did not create a Palestinian State when they had the control of the territories in 1940?  

General Board / Re: Big Picture or Small Picture?
« on: March 11, 2003, 07:47:26 PM »
Ummita, I did know where you lifted the fact that Afghans are top terrorist. However, Osama Bin Laden is an Arabic man who went to Afghanistan with his band of terrorists from the Arab world. I honestly believed that Afghans fell for his crap because of their religious affiliation. I can sense your bias tendency toward non-Muslims as you have decided to sidestep the major issue in the Middle East, thus, creation of Israeli State. The Arabs and the Islamic movement should face fact that Jewish state has come exist. I still insist that Israelis have no business negotiating over parcels of land captured from the Arab armies with Palestinians who ran away on the instigation of the Arab league. The Americans have every justification to go war against any Arab state that supports terrorism. It is not coincidence that 19 people who partook in the bombing of world trade center in New York are all Arabs and staunch followers of Islamic religion. I am not surprise about your defensive stand on this issue.            

General Board / Re: Big Picture or Small Picture?
« on: March 11, 2003, 12:45:13 AM »
Most discussions carried out on this board are instigated by self-indulgence laden with deceitful misconceptions and hearsay rather than true histories of the subject matter. For any body to insinuate that the geographical areas defined as Jordan, Israel and Palestinian territories belong to Arabs alone shows how little the person knows about the history of Middle East. Of course, there were many Jews from Europe after the World War Two. However, there were many Jews who are native to these territories that never moved from Middle East ever. The Palestinian issue is the creation of defeated Arabs and Islamic movement. People should pay tribute to the commission set in 1917 and headed by lord Belfour. The Belfour declaration of 1922 set out to create two states out of British control territory-the state of Israel and Trans-Jordan, the later for Arabs. The artificial problem of the Palestinians started immediately after the creation of Israeli State in 1948. Before 1948, it must be recalled that the State of Jordan had being created in 1940 for Arabs including Palestinians. The Islamic world and Arabs frowned at the instance of a non-Islamic state of Israel being borne in the Middle East. The Arab League, under the leadership of the irascible secretary-general Abdul Rahman Persa, declared war on the newly created Israeli State. It will be recalled that the Arab League had ordered the Palestinians to flee their homes else the Palestinians would be massacred along with the Jews when the Arab armies descended on the new Israeli State. Of course, the Palestinians heeded to the order of their Arab brethren and ran away. However, the ensuing war did not favor the Arabs as the young Jewish State routed the Arab armies and captured territories from the fleeing Arab armies. Rather than the Arabs and the Islamic movement sue for peace with the Jewish State, they engaged the Israeli State in three subsequent wars that resulted in three defeats and lost of territories to Israeli State. Now, rather than the vanquish take the seat of a defeated flock on negotiating table with the victor, the Arabs used their newly found influence-crude oil and large amount money in the UN to reinvent history and incidents that took place in the region since 1940. The Islamic movement and Arabs created PLO as means of covering up their humiliating defeats in the hands of Israeli State. Honestly speaking, Israel had no business discussing the issue of land with Palestinians because the pieces of Lands in dispute were not captured from Palestinians. It is rather unfortunate that Arabs have succeeded in dragging Islamic religion into this shameful mess of terrorism and blackmail.  As for the moron called Osama Bin Laden, he is an irrepressible coward. If the clown was fighting for Palestinian cause, he should have been operating in the West Bank where the Israelis would have made example out of him. It must be recalled that when the USA was supporting the Arabs in 1940s, the Arabs and Muslims did not see USA as an evil country. My advice to the Arabs and Muslims is that they should wake up before ship set sailing.          

General Board / Re: Myth Or Reality?
« on: March 25, 2003, 08:11:25 PM »
Shaba Benin

The write up you posted begs for clarification. If there is any intent to inject fallacy or spin to this Iraqi debacle, both sbaba bein and al hamza are first degree culprits. The brazen desire to mute the obvious in these discussions show that you have ulterior motive to turn the happenings in Iraq into religious saga. It is pathetic that few religious zealots would attempt to fan religious sentiments into political issues. You must understand that Iraqi war has nothing to do with Islam and the poor and it should be ridiculously shameful for anybody to attempt to broker religious sentiment into it.    

General Board / Re: Myth Or Reality?
« on: March 24, 2003, 09:00:55 PM »
Al hamza

Contrary to your viewpoints about Islam and poor, the picture of Baghdad shows a different thing from being poor and Islamic. Saddam Hussein and Iraqis had been busy for decades buying and enjoying American and British lifestyle and no time people like you injected the element of Islam and poverty to the fray. Now, the going is heavily tough and you are trying very hard to inject religious sentiments into this debacle. It is very shameful and outright disingenuous on your part to wave the card of religion on a matter that borders on economic and politics. Saddam Hussein and Iraq have killed more Muslims and invaded Islamic countries than America ever did.  Of course, an event like war will certainly attract various opinions that meant absolutely nothing to the principal actors.

General Board / Re: War On Iraq
« on: March 19, 2003, 05:57:35 PM »

I hardly agree with you on certain issues on this board.  But your almost watertight explanation about Jews and Muslims was so eloquently presented that only few people could have done it better. In fact, the facts are packaged without any biased sentiments. However, I must point out that Ariel Sharon is a Sephardim(Sharpardi) Jew born in Palestine. His parents are not from Russia.

General Board / Re: Exclusively 4 the Prince: A reprimand
« on: May 09, 2003, 09:37:37 PM »

I sure hope it was none of your intentions to wake up a sleeping giant. Just be a good girl for now.

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