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General Board / Re: Nigerian Roads For Sale!!!
« on: January 04, 2008, 11:49:29 PM »
I am an unrepentant and ardent supporter of a free market based economy as the primary driver for "continual" development for any society. Because if governed on the principle of “truth", then such economies will not require “stringent” regulation, but will through itself and its advancements, find a balance and reward all parties in relative measure.  It will also provide an "incentive" (which is the single best feature of market based economies) for investors and consumers alike, to push for and drive improvements in quality, efficiency and ultimately productivity and value for all. In an ideal free market economy (in theory), everyone wins.

HOWEVER, I am by nature, a realist, an hence, realistic enough to know two very important things. First of all, a free market economy is not absolute and will not work for the interest of all, in all sectors of any economy, irrespective of first world or third world. two examples will illustrate my point. The American primary health care industry is facing huge problems, massive deficits and potential meltdown, because it contains some inherent flaws. Based on (privately obtained) Insurance and individual private funding, the cost of medicare is very high and is afforded only because wages are relatively high as well, hence those in low paying jobs and/or jobless situations, suffer the brunt of the problems within the sector. The second example is in the UK where health care is available FREE, to citizens, students, etc, and is funded by the government via compulsory tax deductions from salaries. While its not perfect, the health sector works very well in comparison to the American system and remains accessible to all irrespective of status in society. The Americans went for Market based health care procurement, and it's failing miserably, while the British are adopting a government controlled system and it seems to work relatively well.. My point (as I am sure you have began to wonder) is quite simply that NOT ALL SECTORS OF ANY ECONOMY SHOULD BE PRIVATISED. As the consequences, could be dire.

I object to the roads being privatised mainly because, publicly utilised infrastructure like roads provide a means through which macro economic development can be inspired on a neutral basis. Privatisation removes the neutrality and puts the destiny of a collective lot in the hands of a few. Where market incentives will drive innovation in other sectors, for roads, it will lead to exploitation, simply because the owners will acquire “ABSOLUTE SCARCITY POWER”, since the number of roads that can be built are very limited. Scarcity power creates monopolies and allows providers to drive up asking prices at the collective detriment of we the masses. So for roads, I am against privatisation.. AT LEAST FOR NOW..

Secondly, while the end we advocate for is a free market based, private sector driven economy, the primary limitation of such economies is that they are especially prone to the single greatest problem of humanity, GREED.  Individual greed, a trait which can never be eliminated from any society, can severly destroy the “fairness” and “balance” which a free market economy needs to flourish for the benefit of all. Herein lies the CRITICAL function of Government (with all its 3 arms).

Government must serve as a balancing factor, building institutions that regulate the activities of individuals and groups within the economy. Such institutions, include an efficient unbiased Justice system, promulgating appropriate laws governing activities, effective regulatory bodies for the various sectors, etc… with these institutions, any member of society can effectively seek justice when wronged and be confident that his rights will be protected always.  This second point is that the privatisation of the roads will have been acceptable if we had an efficient regulatory body to ensure certain “standards” are met and certain privileges of you and me are duly protected in a manner providing fairness and balance to all. This would be similar, “in theory” to the function of the PPPRA in the petroleum sector or the NCC in the telecoms sector. At the moment, such a body does not exist in the works sector.

Finally, I give a simple analogy. We don’t give our children cars to drive, because we feel (at a certain age) that they are too young. You give them what they can handle gradually, while you have a plan for them as they grow. Is that not so?

Our economy must be viewed along those lines. We require a development plan with milestones, showing our path to economic development. This will have to capture the necessary infrastructural development that is needed to sustain a free market economy that works for all. Certain infrastructure are absolutely crucial to prevent exploitation. Education, transport, infrastructure, justice, law and order, these are absolute essentials. They provide the necessary bedrocks from which everyone, irrespective of the status, tribe or religious inclination, can gain a level playing field to compete pro-actively within a free market economy. Devoid of any of these, then the economy will not be a truly privatised one but will always be skewed for the reserved benefit of a few, as we have seen through Nigeria’s history.

We risk, like many other things we have implemented in this country, taking a very good idea and implementing it in a manner that would cause us more harm than good. But then again, with the type of leaders we parade, what else do we expect?

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General Board / Re: THE PLIGHT OF NUHU RIBADU.
« on: December 30, 2007, 10:24:37 PM »
Malam Nurudeen,
I would be lying if I didn’t say how much I understand your sentiments at this point in time. I agree with you wholeheartedly that our situation is dire. I understand Waziri’s sentiments as well as I personally know how much effort he has made towards solutions for Arewa. I also agree with you that despite immense lip service, even the leaders with whom we associate hope, never seem to deliver.

But Nuruddeen, I don’t for one minute, think that you should give up hope at all. Why should you? Yes things are getting worse, yes when you talk they hardly listen, yes even when you meet and agree on certain issues, they turn around and do the opposite (I have similar experiences as well). Yes when they fill us with hope, they spectacularly let us down, but still I ask you, why should you give up?

Is not the truth what we speak? Are not the solutions we discuss and proffer truthful solutions based on what we feel is best for our country? If so, then why should we give up? Should we then leave the country to them to do as they please? What does that then make us? Better people? I doubt that

Nuruddeen, we are soldiers who fight using words for one thing only, the truth. We speak without sentiments, with justice, fairness and with good intentions, loud and clear, to all who will listen. The fact that they do not listen should not deter us, it should make us think about different approaches and how we could achieve our ends despite these stumbling blocks.  The fact that we discuss such constructive issues in the first instance is indicative that things are changing, albeit rather slowly. It is frustrating to see things worse than they were yesterday, I know, but should we not then concentrate on rethinking our methods and solutions, rather than giving up all together?

Nuruddeen, why should we give up? Will that be a solution? Instead why not ponder, re-plan on how we can better achieve and then be patient? Remember, it took Mandela 30 yrs, 25 of which was spent in prison, yet at the end he achieved his end (by the grace of the almighty). Shouldn’t we be similarly patient and never give up hope?

I believe that intrinsically, putting our hopes in our leaders to find solutions for us is a hopeless case and is some what part of our problem. We are experiencing what Europe experienced before the birth of the renaissance. Will we cower and let the powers that be continue as they please leaving us in the dark ages, or will we, like the dreamers and thinkers of the renaissance period, devoid of political power, but armed with the ideas, thoughts and innovation, find solutions to seemingly impossible problems and redefine the direction of our nation?

I share your exasperation for all things that don’t work in this country and for the seemingly irresponsible and misdirected leaders we seem to be bedevilled with. However, like the sun that rises every day on a dark world, I feel that Nigeria (especially the north) will need the discussions and ideas that emerge from the likes of yourself and the other forumites I meet regularly, to brighten our seemingly gloomy path.

Again Nuruddeen, I say to you and to my very good friend Waziri, Don’t give up, we owe it to our selves; to our Lord that has blessed us with the ability to write, to think and to talk; and to our children to whom we bequeath the Nigeria of tomorrow. 

Besides, in the very small world we live in today, you never know just who may be listening.


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General Board / Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated.
« on: December 27, 2007, 07:53:46 PM »
This news is really sad. For me the first thoughts and deepest condolences goes to the family and children of those killed. It seems from all the reports i have been reading that people have conveniently forgotten that she wasnt the only one killed in this act. All the police officers, body guards and well wishers affected by the blast were human beings like her excellency. and even though they were not presidential material, they were people, dearly loved by someone or with wives and children who are feeling this tragic loss in manners we can only imagine. May Allah have mercy on them all and make their hereafter better than their lives in this world.

I wonder what will become of Pakistan? here is a country which aside religious variations is all but the same with India and is very much capable of achieving the very greatness for which India is on the verge of. but gradually it is falling apart. I'm sad because lives are being destroyed and families are being ripped apart. and I am also sad because irrespective of the final outcome, the future of this country (pakistan) is being written with the blood of its own people.

Pakistan very much like Afghanistan is fast becoming a battle ground for two global extreme ideologies, who will win? Only the Allmighty knows. But for people like myself, regardless of who wins, I will remain sad, and I will always feel that the price of this war is most definately far too high.

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Borno-Yobe-Adamawa / Education in Yobe State
« on: December 14, 2007, 11:36:47 PM »
As-salam alaikum to everyone and eid Mubarak,
Along with some colleagues, we are in advanced discussions and are contemplating drawing up a detailed proposal (or a blue print) for a masterplan on educational development for Yobe State, including the desired academic standards, skills base and competencies required, governance policies, sustainable funding mechanisms, obtaining and maintaining a quality teacher base, correct implementation procedures, desired societal impact and benefits, a suitable core curriculum and subsequent independent supervision, along with the neccessary laws and regulatory bodies (both local and international) to ensure its standards continue to develop in the long term.

However, (right from the early days) we are hampered by insufficient statistics on the number of schools available at the moment. Does anyone have "verifiable" statistics on the number of primary and secondary schools in the state and their distribution across the state? If not, does anyone know where I could get such information online?
Salam.

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General Board / Chief Sunday Awoniyi.. Statemen mourn you..
« on: November 30, 2007, 08:56:21 AM »
Considering he was neither royalty, nor was he a major political office holder, en uwa, Lets pay tribute to the most Phenomenal Statesman Arewa has seen. Allah ya jikan Musulmi..

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General Board / Re: BREAKING NEWS!!! - UNIMAID CLOSED DOWN INDEFINITELY
« on: November 30, 2007, 08:51:10 AM »
Again, Dont miss the big picture...... the act (defaming Islam) is only half the problem, our reaction (with the bloodshed and destruction) is also another.. how do we sort both out?

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General Board / Re: BREAKING NEWS!!! - UNIMAID CLOSED DOWN INDEFINITELY
« on: November 25, 2007, 12:21:25 PM »
Subhanallah,

This is terrible, and I agree with you Husna, it is provocative, very provocative indeed...

After all, consider, this same act (or strikingly similar) has occurred in parts of the world and indeed parts of Nigeria, over and over again, so whoever it is that goes ahead to do this knows surely that we, as Muslims will not take it lightly at all. So it is not naivety, rather I agree with Husnaa, it is deliberate provocation.

The question is how best to react? I for one, think we're falling into traps over and over again, and the Logic behind these traps is scary, yet simple.

The provocation and our subsequent (rather predictable reaction), is probably aimed to show the world and other parts of Nigeria, that we are an unstable society which with provocation can become incredibly volatile, therefore, everyone should see us and treat us as the barbarians that we are or better yet, control us (through any means necessary) so we don’t become a problem to our selves and indeed to others around us, or even better yet give justifiable backing to any group(s) seeking to control us or stop us from being a danger to our selves.

By provoking us to destroy our own society it also means we reduce our competitive advantage as a society (and as a people), cannot develop beyond a certain stage and cannot economically compete with other parts of the country. Ultimately our youth are forced to migrate in search of greener pastures, leaving us rather backward economically and socially. Through provocation, we are made with our own hands, to destroy our own infrastructure, institutions, and retard our own growth and development as a society. It is a simple logic used overtime in historic battles and current high level business practices to bring down your enemy (or competition) without lifting a single sword (or in this case, using only one sword).

We have to stop and think, before we react.

It is like a game of chess (only with real people and catastrophic consequences) and we are loosing, because we're falling into the trap, over and over again. The actions are merely a catalyst, our reaction was exactly what they hoped for and we fell straight into the trap.

The scary part of this logic is, if we continue with conventional thinking, both ways in our reaction, we loose.

If we react violently, as we did, we loose. Because it is our university we destroy, our society we put in turmoil and our people who ultimately suffer (not to mention that Islamically mass punishment, and indiscriminate action, remains a wrong course of action).

If we demonstrate peacefully and do nothing else, again we loose, because nothing is done to stop it from repeating itself and it may endear them to try again, plus they know that part of our society will not accept nothing being done, so in the long term we will still have internal upheavals and chaos, again, we loose.

As I said n I'm sure you see, it is akin to a difficult game of chess... but we have to turn the game around. We’re loosing and loosing badly too, it’s solution lies not in any of those predictable reactions alone, but in thinking of a long term strategic solution.

It is a solution not for our leaders to come up with, because they won’t. It is for us to discuss and develop as youth, as it is our society, n we cannot let it fall apart.

I don’t have a ready made solution right now, but I do know that our reaction destroying property in-discriminately, killing people and imposing lawlessness in the society, is wrong Islamically and is exactly what they want us to do.

Traps by whom? I don’t know. That to me should not be the point at all for now, and I don’t think that for now, it is particularly important... The important thing is develop an effective strategy, including consequences and diplomatic solutions that work for us as a society and stop these reckless things and our wrong reactions, from happening over and over again….

The problem for me is, where do we start?

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General Board / Re: THE SECRETS BEHIND NUMBER 11
« on: November 03, 2007, 07:52:43 PM »
well said Hajia, well said..

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General Board / Re: HABA JANAR - LET IT GO MANA
« on: November 03, 2007, 07:36:12 PM »
we do not side with the unscrupoulus side, far from that, neither do we make excuses for such actions. As i have said and continue to say Hajia Husna, I stand with Buhari wholeheartedly in his quest for truth and justice, n i make no compromises in this regard, as i truely believe that no society can be built on anything otherwise.. AND THAT OUR FUTURE LIES IN BUILDING A SOCIETY WHERE EVERY ONE FEELS HE CAN RECIEVE HIS DUE, THROUGH THE APROPRIATE MEDIUM.

However, people by nature are not entirely inclined towards such truthful tendencies. people always seek ways to get ahead sometimes at the detriment of others, unfortunately that is the sad side of human nature. That is exactly what Buhari has been exposed to, and sadly has failed to learn.

Do we support those who do "unethical things to get ahead? of course not, however I merely point out that as a politician that is THE FIRST TOPIC ON THE SYLLABUS OF POLITICS 101. the very basic elementary lessons of politics, teaches that people will attempt to use you as best they can and therefore even if your intentions are good, beware and learn fast.. unfortunately even after twice, being exposed, he still hasnt learnt.. that worries me...

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General Board / Re: HABA JANAR - LET IT GO MANA
« on: November 03, 2007, 05:25:56 PM »
I dont think ANPP politicians munafukai ne... they are merely people (products of our very own society) who would do what it takes to achieve their ends (ethical or otherwise). Unfortunately, whether we agree with them or not (and I surely dont), that is politics. On the plus side, this system works where their aims correlate with the general will of the people and an ardent desire to make things right and build a sound society. Sadly, that is not our case, and ultimately for their actions (or inactions), Nigeria is the looser..

Bt ultimately, any politician should have seen this coming, hence I have no simpathy for Buhari in this regard, he needs to be wiser in the way politics and people who seek (or have power) generally work..bt I still support without the slightest flicker, his quest for the truth and justice.

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General Board / Re: Response to Gaius
« on: October 19, 2007, 12:45:41 PM »
salam,
It seems Ete was quite a character on this forum.. For we the children here, we're too young to know this character and therefore I have no comment at all on him, but if he could generate such an uproar from esteemed members, (if indeed he is Gaius) then I'm sure he was quite a "thorn".

I want to apologise for something. It appears from these remarks that the story behind this incident may not altogether be "complete", therefore I want to apologise for the fact that I based the argument in my piece on unverified accounts of this incident. I have been away for a few months (very few), and therefore while I read news daily, I have no moral authority nor credible authority to concur with what in this case, I neither witnessed, nor saw, thus I graciously say, Sorry.

However, I must point out that I was moved to comment because to me, such an incident is a VERY big issue and quite clearly, no one wrote to deny it, rather there seemed to be a conspicous silence and I assumed silence means consent. It is apparent now that the silence was for different reasons, which I LIKE FELLOW CHILDREN ON THIS FORUM, WOULD BE HAPPY TO STAY AWAY FROM. It is for you, the older adults to iron out within yourselves.

I however, bare no apologies for my stand on such issues where they do indeed happen and that is the general basis of the article. while this incident may be questionable, there is no question that other similar things happened in the past and quite troublingly, stand a strong chance of happening again in the future. Therefore I strongly stand by my words with regards my opinion on the wider issue of "how we react to incidents", and our general direction as a society; our perception of justice; the degradation of law and order; the loss of religious values and erosion of morality within our beloved society.

I thank God that within your remarks, no one has objected to this stand, it brightens my rather bleak view of our future.

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General Board / Re: Allah jikan Dr Aminu Safana
« on: October 18, 2007, 01:20:05 PM »
Allah ya jikan sa, ya sanya shi acikin rahaman sa, kuma ya sa kabarin sa ya zama mishi wurin hutawa kuma ya hada mu a gidan Aljanna.

Ku kuma dangi da iyale, Allah ya kara muku hakuri.

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General Board / Response to Gaius
« on: October 16, 2007, 01:22:50 PM »
Gaius, while I have to say, I object to certain words you use, I do understand your position and without a shred of doubt I am wholeheartedly in total agreement with you in this regard.

Let me clarify that I am an active Muslim from the North East, but Islam teaches me justice and fairness and therefore, I am an unequivocal advocate of justice and the rule of law and in both issues with regards this issue you are right and we have again been found wanting.

Let me explain something, under Islamic Law, if indeed the cartoon was drawn what should be done is the “THE PERSON(S) WHO DREW IT SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS”, whatever judgement is passed, it is for the person(s) convicted, the fate should not be shared by all and sundry just because they belong to the same religion. And this is even when the cartoon has been seen. In this case, it wasn’t even seen. Haba Muslims!!

The innocent people killed in the street what did they do? The kids attacked in the school what did they do? And yet when America arrests an innocent Muslim man accusing him of terrorism we cry foul? Why? If we attack all Christians for the supposed crime of another, isn’t America right to attack us all for the crime of one?  Subhanallah!!

This lawlessness must stop and cannot be condoned anymore. All the muslim students who partook and instigated this should be punished and the government must come out to take a stance on this issue once and for all. For how long will innocent people continue to die because we are afraid to confront the problems of the North?. We do have problems, serious ones and I worry very much for the future.

Another thing is, even during the times of war, IT IS ABSOLUTELY  FORBIDDEN TO BURN DOWN CHURCHES OR PLACES OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, EXCEPT WHERE THEY ARE USED AS WEAPONS CACHES, etc.

This was neither a war, nor a quarrel, just a demonstration of anger and look at what we do. We didn’t even stop there, we proceeded to loot and destroy their property. What manner of Islam is this, I can’t help but wonder.

These people should be arrested and persecuted, the fact that they are Muslim northerners like myself will not stop me from stating the obvious truth here, We are wrong, we need to stop this nonsense and we need to pay all appropriate compensation to those we have wronged if not…. Then God will surely and I dare say, quite rightly punish us, and compensate those who are wronged.

Enough is enough, our society is getting more and more rotten by the day, we cant sit back and do nothing forever. This is too much.

Although this may mean nothing, as the deed has been done, Gaius, please accept my most sincere apologies on behalf of sincere Muslim Northerners and in redefining our future, we will try to make things right as best we can.

While we do not completely say the other communities living in the North are blame free, in this regard, we are blame worthy and we accept.

Courage is not to stand tall always and refuse to bend, but to accept your faults and make yourself a better person, and emerging stronger. That is what as a community we seem to have conveniently forgotten.

Is there a solution to such unguarded action? Yes there is. Though without a doubt it is a long and difficult one, we have to solve our problems. We have to confront and accept the fact that we are wrong and confront our derelict institutions that have allowed such unguarded actions to take place. We the youth of the North have to stand, rescue, guide and defend our society, and take it to where it needs to be.

A simple thought, what if the cartoon was drawn by a “SOOTHSAYER”? who would we attack? What of the innocent Christians killed?... May God guide us..

Gaius, please watch your words, so our brothers don’t take offence and so we can conveniently discuss these issues, also, so Admin doesn’t block us out.


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General Board / Re: HABA JANAR - LET IT GO MANA
« on: October 15, 2007, 01:25:13 PM »
Abu Huraira is the source of a large chunk of the authentic hadith we use today. Once after relating a hadith, a student asked him, what he thought the meaning of the hadith was and he said, his gift is to memorise the hadith. Thus for additional explanations, go to Ibn Abbas, or Ibn Mas’ud. His area is hadith, he knows it well and would stand as an authority in that field, beyond that field, regardless of interest, he would not claim to be an authority but would gladly refer it to those who know better. That is fairness, that is humility, that is true guidance and that is the way any society should be built. Hence, not every tom, dick and Harry is appointed a judge, or a surgeon.

(Forgive me for dragging this) My point quite frankly is Malam Gumi should learn politics and governance before he decides to delve into it, if not he stands to loose the high level respect people like us still have for him. Over time, and through his utterances he has lost a significant amount, he should learn to be wiser.

That said. I completely without reservation disagree with him about the Buhari issue. I am frankly shocked he could even say such.

Malam says:
“Since all the parties have agreed with the weak foundation on which the elections lied on and consented that the INEC was capable of conducting an election, so it means they have consented to the weak foundation on which the election was built. They should therefore agree with the outcome of the election. Whoever and whichever party joined that election must agree with the outcome of that election. They know that the foundation was weak and yet went ahead to participate in the election. Many politicians and people like us have said the nation was not ready for the election but all those people that are crying now accepted and their parties that the elections will be credible. This is just like joining a car which has no good tires and its driver is drunk. What else do you expect more than an accident? We have to deal with whole issue in a moral way. They all agreed to join an election which has no solid foundation when they know that the election was not well planned to be credible”.

This analogy is completely flawed and rather disturbing considering,
1.   If they had boycotted the election, on what basis could they possibly challenge the ruling in court? Afterall they were not party to the elections in the first place and would legally have a very weak case.

2.   The same situation occurred in 2003 and yet uptil 2006, malam never stopped condemning Obasanjo and the “illegitimacy that surrounded his election” frequently saying in his sermons that we have been cheated and it is because we as Muslims are “asleep”.

3.   Boycotting the election would have completely been out of the question simply because while the voter’s registration was flawed, the rigging and the illegality most people are complaining about occurred not via the voters register, but on actions on the election day itself and through the subsequent collations. Actions, which up until the election did not physically take place, could not be proven and therefore would have formed a weak basis from which to pose any subsequent legal challenges. Therefore if they had withdrawn, simply on that basis, no legal case.

4.   If the nation was not ready for the election, what did you suggest to make the nation ready for the election? Also, what does the issue of you complaining about the readiness have to do with whether or not they should withdraw? Yes the country may not have been ready but I cant help but wonder what Malam would have said if the election was won by a Christian Igbo leader from Anambra? Haba Malam, musulinci babu double standards, you more than anyone else should know that. Or is it because Yar’adua is someone he knows personally? I can’t help but wonder.

Malam then continues in his unique form of wisdom,

“Gumi: My decision to advice the aggrieved politicians to withdraw their court cases was based on two pillars. On the pure Islamic perspective, regardless of the way and manner in which somebody is sworn in to govern, that person must be obeyed. Islam has wisdom behind this. Islam looks at the interest of the nation and peace. Once a leader is given allegiance by some people, Islam demands that he should be obeyed. This is because if you attempt to remove him, his own supporters could cause break down of law and order or even sabotage the new administration. The Prophet (pbuh) was reported to have said, "One who dislikes a thing done by his leader should be patient over it. For anyone from the people who withdraws his obedience from the government, even to the extent of a hand-span and died in that condition, would die the death of one belonging to the days of ignorance (Jahiliyya)." Ideally as I said, the politicians should not have participated in the elections but they made a mistake to take part and a leader had emerged they should therefore bear the fruits of their mistakes. They agreed with rigging and the rigging has taken place.What I am saying is that let's forget the past and build a strong system that will not allow rigging of elections. Even the countries that we are copying democracy from, what they did was to build a system that will not allow rigging. Had it been their system allows rigging, they could have rigged their elections as we are doing here.”


A Terrible explanation, because he shows complete ignorance of the electoral process and crucially, of the very bedrock on which societies are built. Sadly, I have to say that he also does not understand leadership, after all that is what we are protecting here, leadership not the person in the position.

The Laws of any country, society or people is the supreme leader and pushes that any grievances be challenged through appropriate channels, Buhari did not call for wanton destruction of property, neither did he call for civil war, or a coup or for civil disobedience. Quite simply he resorted to seek redress from the only institution which supercedes the office of the president, and can therefore clarify his position.

Malam fails to understand that in any society, Islamic or otherwise, the rule of law that governs the values and agreed manner of living, supersedes the position of the leader. Therefore the real leader is not the president which we elect, but those laws under which we live and have agreed to live. That’s why we seek redress if we feel wronged. The law as the leader is the final arbiter, and in all cases, Our arbiter has asked us to come to him if we feel wronged, isn’t that so?

Thus, by challenging this election, at the courts, Buhari is merely referring the case to the final leader in such issues, and therefore upholding the Islamic tenets Malam is clearly attempting to espouse. That’s why Allah says that we should obey our leaders except where they transgress His laws, because in all cases, the laws are supreme. Malam I’m sorry, but you clearly misunderstand societal justice, hierarchy and sociology. It is sad that as Muslims we choose to be subjective in implanting our values and we choose to desecrate that which is sacred, I thought it was an attitude of we who know little, but apparently we have an eminent scholar amongst us, toh Malam, Allah ya gyara.

Malam continues

“Gumi: Islamically, once a cream of people has given allegiance to a leader it is forbidden to withdraw that allegiance. The Prophet said in a Hadith that, "You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a slave whose head looks like a raisin." In another Hadith he said, "The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, who invoke Allah's blessings upon you and you invoke His blessings upon them. And the worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you and whom you curse and who curse you. It was asked by those present, shouldn't we overthrow them with the help of the sword? He said: no as long as they establish prayer among you. If you then find anything detestable in them you should hate their administration, but do not withdraw yourselves from their obedience."



I agree whole heartedly with this, but Malam fails to see that in that scenario (in the hadith), the only other option clearly available was to fight the leaders and induce chaos, which the Prophet (S.A.W) in his desire to uphold piece and societal stability, was very eager to prevent. This case is different, because a medium has been provided to remedy the situation in peace. Our leader, the law under which we live has given us a way out, shouldn’t we take it? If someone steals your property and you don’t want to fight him, but you can report him to the law as a third party to take it back, shouldn’t you? Haba Malam.

Islam pushes for societal harmony, because without harmony you cannot enjoy practicing Islam, but I cringe when people justify anything arbitrarily. If people fight in Nigeria today, it would be Yar’adua’s supporters who know without a doubt that they don’t deserve the mandate and therefore are afraid of the possible repercussions of annulment. Buhari is not fighting, he is merely asking the supreme leader of our country, our laws, to determine whether or not he was wronged. And as he demonstrated through the last round of court battles, if the supreme leader, the law says no, he would gladly accept.

Therefore what are we afraid of? Dan Borno, it is neither our money nor our time which Buhari is fighting with, he merely asks us to open our eyes to one plain truth, “that any society in which people do as they please and not governed by well defined and clearly followed rules, is a lawless society, and no lawless society ever prospers”

A parting example for us to ponder, Ali Ibn Abi talib when he was Amir on a journey lost a piece of cloth, and while retracing his steps, found the cloth on a Jewish man. He greeted the man and asked for his cloth back, but the man said it was his and refused to give it back. They then proceeded to a judge to resolve the issue. Ali was asked to produce a witness, and he asked for his son Husein (A.S) as it was he who gave him the cloth, the judge said no as it is not allowed for a son to be a witness for his father (since his fairness cannot be guaranteed) and without witnesses, the leader of the Muslims lost his case and the jew was awarded custody of the cloth. The jew then filled with admiration of the social justice of Islam confessed that indeed the cloth belonged to Ali and he returned it. He then said never before has he seen such justice where he, a simple jew, won a case against the powerful Amirul Mu’mineen and he embraced Islam.

If it is power and leadership Malam seeks for Islam and muslims, you cannot get it except through Allah. To go through Allah is to do the right thing always; and in all cases, the right thing is to be just and fair, what are we afraid of?

It may seem surprising, but I am not a Buhari supporter, and while I was away during the last election and therefore did not vote, I would not have voted Buhari, but rather Yar’adua. But that is beside the point. Quite simply, in pursuing truth and fairness, I have no allegiances. I merely seek, that the right thing be done. That is my way.

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General Board / Re: HABA JANAR - LET IT GO MANA
« on: September 21, 2007, 06:30:43 PM »
Unfortunately Allanguro, I completely disagree with you on this point. Why should the general withdraw his petition? Like you and I, shouldnt he have a right to seek legal redress when he is wronged? In my opinion, there is nothing wrong at all if he continues to push on should he choose to. So long as he feels he has the means and the reason to do so, he's free to do so. The question you should have raised is being in his position would you choose to carry on or withdraw, considering the other subtle issues of PR, public image, elderly respect and deft politicking in our society. Your position or comment should be an advisory position Dan Borno, in which case I clearly understand your view point, vis-a-vis maintaining his respectful status in society.

Personally I feel he should push on, without compromise but with more wisdom and with an open eye to understanding the political game and how it works. He needs to understand the game of politics a lot more. He needs to see that the only difference between PDP, ANPP and any other political party for that matter is simply, OPPORTUNITY. Therefore while we acknowledge and support him for his attributes and his vision for Nigeria, it would take a little more than that to navigate the corridors of power and secure his seat, thus defeating the "politicians" in their own rotten game.

But my support for his petition is part of a much larger issue. A major point of correction Dan Borno, in my opinion, even if he should withdraw his petition IT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BASIS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING WELL.. becasue regardless of how well Yar'adua does IT DOES NOT AND WILL NEVER GIVE HIM LEGITIMACY in the eyes of we who seek truth, fairness and justice. Being a man of "pragmatic peace", I would still say Allah ya bashi zaman lafiya, but make no mistake, the government as effective as it may be is still and will be (at least for the next four years) undoubtedly illegitimate.

This is not because I am naive to politics but merely because a distincition has to be drawn at some point. we dont condone wrong because it was done by one of us. If my brother is wrong, He remains wrong and if he has wronged my enemy, he still remains wrong. that is what I was taught. The end does not justify the means, that is not the way, that is not the Islamic way. We cant build a sound society if we accept wrong where it is clearly wrong. We just cant.  Where is the fairness in that? Is not a better society what we seek?

Thats why I support Buhari's petition, simply because he reminds us of what this country ought to be. I know that he is highly unlikely to be successful even at our "fair" electoral tribunals. But by pushing it through the legal channel and challenging this, he stands for a lot more than merely defending his mandate. He stands to represent we who believe that in all situations, the right thing should be done always.

Is that too much to ask?

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