War On Iraq

[lionger]

FDQ

Thanks for the explanation. Your story reinforces my conclusion on the ?Middle East: those ppl hate each other. At least in Nigeria, ppl of all ethnicities can get along as long as you don't discuss politics (or religion) in Nigeria and the usual finger-pointing. I also agree with your point on Saddam Hussein's 'muslim' nature.

Ibro2g, what do you mean by your reference to choosing the lesser of the evils? Is saddam the lesser evil in this conflict?
If it is, let me just say that it was the exact policy the U.S. used in the past (and still use today, foolishly) that created ppl like Mobutu Sese Seko, Saddam and Osama bin Laden. In the case of Mobutu and bin Laden, the greater of the evils was socialism/communism and the Soviet union respectively, while in Saddam's case the greater evil was the revolutionized Iran under Khomeini in the 80's. Today Saddam and bin Laden are public enemy numero uno in the eyes of the U.S. I guess in some cases (like WWII) they had no choice, but what was the deal with Afghanistan, Zaire and especially Iran?

Anyways Bush has given Saddam and his sons 48 hours to leave Iraq, and though i do not agree with his stance, I'm compelled to say that Saddam should pack his load and go for the sake of the Iraqi ppl.

And btw what exactly does the word 'kafiruun' mean, Ibro2g?

[Blaqueen]

the sad thing about this is.... the UN is useless.. so maybe it will be dissolved :'(

i sooooo luv the UN! i juss love it and it'll break my heart to see it erased!!!!

and  :o wut those americans said about our African nations... can u believe it?? ??

they said that how can the US ask African nations for permission to attack... that even if they defy them, wut is the worse Africans can do... "debate the issue"

oohhhhhh i'm soooooooo offended...... (lol)... ah well, i guess that's life for ya'...

[Ibro2g]

Queen,
 Any muslim who denies his faith is subjected to death. A muslim ant be an unbeliever without total 2-0, ba duniya ba lafira. Besides, he will do a much greater damage if left alive. I dont know much but these are the rules.

African lion,
  FDQueen was right when she said the jews are traditionally the arabian enemies. No, no arguements. Lis'n...
...Abraham had two sons...true
...their names Isaac and Ishmael...true
...jews are decendants of Isaac..true
...arabs are decendants of Ishmael...true
...Jews thought ill of arabs, and called them animals in human form, they regarded them as dirt...true
...Jews fury wid the arans grew when they found the holy prophet among the arabs...true.
It has been there in history, in the bible, Qur'an, and every other historical book, and it is still happening...I guess it will continue to happen. Queen is right my friend.

Brothers, I ask someone to tell mi the role of the UN. what if a country goes against its will, what are the risks of international isolation??? why cant it happen to the US?, why do we think the UN is helpless? toh...ban baku labarin international conspiracies ba? who said the UN is clean.
Allah ya taimake mu.

[ummita]

Guys hold up!!!!!!!!!!!

This war issue...........wat du u say about Judaism & Zionism.
Let me put it this way 2 make it clear, we all know wat it means but 4 a clearer purfect picture

Zionism is a political and economic world movement; whereas Judaism is a fundamental religious movement.
In this case wat major role those America play: Dont uget it ppl!!!!!! As I recap yrssss bck durin my history lessons....

Zionism wants it a secure state in side of the 1967 borders; with political and economic extension through out the Arabic region.

Judaism insists on geographical extension to achieve the great Israel according to the alleged instructions of torah ko ba haka ba...? How many of u read d torah?.


Agree 2 disagree  they go hand in hand big time...with regards to the whole Iraqi war....My reason 4 sayin so is that afta puttin two and two gether I came up with this &
Now the question stands out like this: WAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN POSITION TOWARDS THESE TWO PROJECTASY'S (ZIONISM & JUDAISM) with all the effect sparkin off war and believe me people ansa r as follows;

The governmental position is allays with the Zionism strategy except some personal exceptions in side the congress and the Whitehouse administration.

The fundamental Christians and the so called the new Jewish ?protestant movement, who strongly support the Judaism strategy.

Most American people is subjecting to the effect of the mass media.

Why America selected Israel to be come her strategy option in heart of the Arabic region?

Can anyone of u tell me why America has dropped the Arabic option in favor of the Israeli option? In d main tym I taut it was due 2 d fact that:

Israel does not form any threat against the American interests in present or in the future ko ba haka ba...think about economically & wat d future entails 4 Saudi Arabia in d nearest future!!.

Another reason why Americans favour Israel is simply because they have no factors of the auto ? self-growth. Fair enuff

And again its because Arabic ? Israeli clash has a deep roots;Its ryt from tym...its even in d Qur'an...Isralites & Palestininas will neva go hand it had so this makes Israel in pressing need to American helps.

and finally, if u look @ it d way I did u will c that officially America considers Israel according to the Zionism theory the security and strategy option.
Now isnt this juss amongst d few reason why they r up with this war bull crap!!!!! & bringinig Bin Laden in2 consideration,.........hmmmm that is anoda issue......so this is amonsgt wat provoked them off 2 start mass murder again its b'cuz  Palestines/Arabian country'z/ Saddam/ Bin Laden r unda one roof which is Islamicity. Periodddddd
Allah dai ya kyauta

[ummita]

Brothers, I ask someone to tell mi the role of the UN.

Ibro let me juss ansa one question e're...though its not even an ansa..........but I think d best role d UN can play is 2 Call for a world summit of the religious, cultural and political leaders within frame of the UN for reflecting and adopting the common Charter or som'in of such nature I think it will be of beneficiary 2 all esp counrtys that start off war against religion A good perfect example is Jews/Palestines ::).

and again how about d UN forming a lasting for ever to lasttttt  council of the religious and cultural leaders within the UN. Then their authorities would be determined by the consultation with the political leaders. By doing so I definately without doubt know that it will be of beneficiary. But heck!!! wat r d UN doin with regards 2 these best brodas Bushy & saddamy? Sum1 help me clarify?  

[Blaqueen]

ibro.. i disagree with u... ::)

aahhhhhh....people..., SUCH IS LIFE! survival of the fittest... and the big guys have the big guns...
face it.. US are powerful.. they can do wuteva they want.. they dont fear any nation.. they feel they're on top and can do as they wish....
its their arrogance that will bring the gov't down...

all we have to do is wait and obserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrve!

wut goes up... must come down... wut goes around.. comes around!...

but for now.. them US are using thier power!

[Egede1]

Amin

I hardly agree with you on certain issues on this board.  But your almost watertight explanation about Jews and Muslims was so eloquently presented that only few people could have done it better. In fact, the facts are packaged without any biased sentiments. However, I must point out that Ariel Sharon is a Sephardim(Sharpardi) Jew born in Palestine. His parents are not from Russia.

[Muhammad]

Hello all.
I think you will agree with me that enough has been said about jews in this forum. They are the least of our problems.
Egede, what you said is true except the Ariel Sharan point. Yes Sharon was born in the Jerusalem neigbourhood of Ariel inhabited by Jews who immigrated from Russia after WW 1. But that does not make him a Sephardi, just like a Nigerian born in New york will not be a New Yorker.
Anyway, Jews are in Kano actually and because they conceal their Jewishness, we do not recognize them. They speak Arabic because they either come from Tunisia-Morocco area or from the Iraqi countryside. They are good business men in the Kantin Kwari market...... check out yourself.
They are humans like we are and i think, in the absence of them doing nothing wrong ( also apart from their arrogance), they don't deserve unfair treatment.
Alas, they are semitic like the Arab we so 'dearly shield'.
CIAO.

[Ibro2g]

Amin,
   I'd rather agree wid Adolf Hitler on the jews than the "touching"....u just put down about em. What Hitler did was right, and it cant get more righter. Haba, ya rage over 5 million of em ama still, look what the few are causing. Kai mallam hitler yayi kokari.  ;D :D ...and u should know better than they r the least of our (islam) problems.
Queen,
   Then there is no use of the UN...aniwayz No comment
Ummitah,
     ZEONISM, thats the word. There is too much of a relation between the US and Isreal to explain, no matter how hard we try. They r so close that the isreali nations intelligence, MOSADs trains the famous CIA. The mosads are so good that they r still not known to the general public. SHHHH...its a secret.
Ya know what peeps, I think all that is left of this world is the war...I told u it`ll hold, it begins in a couple of hours or two...and dont think u r black and safe...no. It affects everyone...this is gonna be the next, perhaps last waorld war.
May God have mercy on us all.

[lionger]

Ibro2g

unless i'm reading it wrong, your posts are veering dangerously in the same direction as al hamza's on his 'big picture' thread - towards intolerance and hatred and WAY oversimplified generalizations. hitler was right, ke?

The UN's relevance, in cases like this depends largely on the Security Council. The Security council never does well on polarized issues. However, Ibro2g i wonder if you've ever heard of the 'oil for food' program. I also wonder what you would have said 4 years ago when the kosovar albanian muslims were very clearly being persecuted by Milosevic, yet the Security Council couldn't act because Russia had threatened to veto any resolution on it; the US and NATO had to act 'unilaterally' without U.N. permission to stop the tyrant. Na wa for some of us o.

Amin I ?like the way you think. i also agree with your point about some ppl here being so apt to 'shield' the arabs, almost without thinking. This thread and al hamza's thread has really opened my eyes to the way some ppl think on this forum.

[ummita]

Am so supa glad that ur eyes r open about d way ppl think & thats simply wat a forum is made of......every1 has a ryt 2 opinion if we all supportin Iraq then b it........If we r support of US then b it!!! And if in total we r being neutral so let it b..... If  I disagree 2 ur points then b it......if u diagree 2 myn then b it.........In d main tym let kep aside this war issue..only d lurd almyty knows best......

[ummita]

I will speak vehemently on behalf of everybody with regads 2 wat Lionger said about loads of us havin thinkin caps negetively.............& I can go on wo!{/color]

[Twinkle]

ALL I CARE IS PEACE & NOT WAR. Whatever Saddam, Bush, Osam, Jews or d Palestines have done........its done.....the damage is done.......in the main time lets all pray for peace

[Gimbiya]

"Pray on bro and sis" just pray.
it's really ugly

[Muhammad]

Salam
Ibro2g, I am indeed very sorry. Sorry for taking the debate about Jews to an unbearable level. Please, I will plead with you to not glorify Hitler. Hitler is a Murderer, Pillager, arsonist, terrorist..... Remember, If Hitler had gotten what he hoped to get, then 'People of color' will be regarded as subhumans like he did to the Gypsies and Slavic peoples of E Europe.
Allah shi baka hakuri ranka yadade amma ina gani wannan kalamin naka bashi da justification a addini ko kadan. wato Jahudu shegen mutum ne amma wannan bai hana mu cinikayya ko zamantakewa dasu ba. bayan yakin Bani Nadir, annabi ya auri ba yahudiya-Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab. And he found nothing wrong in that because she could potentially be a Muslim.
The same applies for all other Jews, we must call them to the way of Allah by wisdom and beautiful preaching, as said in the noble Quran.
I hope this suffices.

Mr Lionger

Are you attempting to cast me as a southern thinking bahaushe? (Northerner) You know this kind of things will alienate me, like your humble self, in this forum. And you will agree with me no one wants that. The 'Arabs we shield' is a sarcastic remark, which I am fully confident you appreciate. Anyway, we need to energize the forum by poking at issues in the realm of the untouched; dont you think?