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SAVE YOURSELF FROM THE IDOLS OF TODAY

Started by Idris, February 28, 2006, 03:55:52 PM

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SAVE YOURSELF FROM ENSLAVEMENT
THE IDOLS ? HUMAN LORDS

An Idol is anything that is used to enslave the mind of a person.

There is physical as well as mental enslavement. Physical enslavement is to physically coerce a person into servitude - to rule over a person by force.

Mental enslavement is to enslave the mind of a person instead of just the body - to manoeuvre a person into servitude while he thinks he is free.

A mentally enslaved person is of consequence a slave physically. This is the worst thing that could happen to a human being - death is by far better.



FREEDOM
A human being has a body and the soul. While the purpose of life is to uplift the soul at individual?s level of understanding, the body is the physical object by which we interact and manifest our wishes. We definitely have differences in body and environment but not in the soul.
All human beings are created free. All human beings are identical in matter of soul; there is no even gender difference in matter of soul.

The bodily differences have been created in order to organize us and make it easier to conduct our material activities in the common world that we all live. It is a necessity that we divide the activities among ourselves; this has not in anyway made anyone better.

The best among us is the best in beliefs/awareness/character; material possession or position is of no relevance completely. All the material differences are meant to give us addresses so as to recognize and organize ourselves and thereby accomplish our material goals.

The God who created us does not look at our bodies and possessions but what the heart contains.

The leader is in no way better than the ordinary person on the street nor is the Imam/Pastor better than the ordinary follower. A person of a particular race is not better than a person of another race nor is a person living in a big city better than a person living in a remote village.

A human being is either a child or an adult. All adults are independent human beings.

Every adult lives for his or her heart. Every adult must not engage in anything until he or she can trace the benefit of that thing to his or her heart if not it will be exploitation.

As it is completely prohibited for an adult to have pride so it is completely prohibited to have inferiority complex. A human being is a human being; we all belong to the same club.

When a baby is born and the umbilical cord is cut, the first out of the three ropes of dependence has indeed been cut. The baby henceforth is no more part of the mother?s body but a separate entity. The baby now gets its food through the mouth and takes in air from the raw earth. There are still two more ropes to be cut later in life.

The baby would now have to grow to become physically and mentally fit to face the challenges of life. An adult is an independent human being in matter of mind.

When a person becomes fit mentally to face life by himself, God the Almighty cuts the second umbilical cord ? the new adult is henceforth responsible for the procurement of his needs and security. If his life would be sweet or bitter, it would now depend on how he utilises his God-given brain and mind. A person up till this point has become an adult though not all adults are human beings ? some adults are worse than beasts.

The first umbilical cord was cut by human beings while the second one was by God. The third and the determining rope in life can only be cut by an individual himself. It is for every individual to decide to become or not to become a human being. We all have identical opportunities with respect to this choice. The goal of life is to become a human being.

What distinguishes an adult from all other creatures of God is nothing but the brain. It is by the brain that we are in charge and manipulating all other creatures. Lions are physically more powerful than us but by our brain they are in our zoos. Elephants are by far bigger than us but today we have them in our zoos. We break mountains and construct skyscrapers ? thanks to the brain. You think you are small and inside you is the universe.

At adulthood, a person is confronted with two options in life; to declare his independence from all human lords and live a just and rational life or to remain a slave and be condemned in life.

Every human being is a King or Queen and must be respected thus.



ENSLAVEMENT
Human beings have primary desires and have also been given the rational sense to regulate the desires.

We all live in the same physical world so we must of necessity share the world. The Merciful Lord who created us has not created any scarcity in matter of our needs; there is abundance of everything even above our needs.

Some people due to their laziness and evil tendencies have refused to regulate their hearts and are therefore wild in their search for love and security ? they have chosen to disregard the rights and respect of other human fellows.

When God sent us to earth, He sent us as individuals and he would raise us up on that great Day of Judgment to face our individual accounts. No soul bears the load of another soul. God has no relative and therefore no one is nearer to God by virtue of creation. Jesus and Muhammad (God?s blessings be on them all) were human beings like us ? they were not special creatures. God is absolutely just.

God sent down His Books so that He can communicate directly with His servants. The goal of communication is to create understanding/awareness.

God is not wicked as to make his communication very difficult for comprehension nor is a human being so stupid as not to understand the simple statements of the Wise Lord.

When the Qur?an was revealed to Muhammad, he was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated to him so that anyone reading the Qur?an today is like Muhammad receiving the message directly from God. There is no intermediary between anyone and God in matter of worship.

The Qur?an is the only authentic book of facts that anyone can rely on. It is from God who has perfect and encompassing knowledge. Sciences may be updated but Al-Qur?an is all truth. Al-Qur?an is in total conformity with the reality of life and it is addressed to human brain.

The Qur?an put it forward to human beings not to accept what they can not understand by their brain. Faith is by conviction and no person will be punished for what he did not know convincingly. Muhammad himself challenged his opponents to bring forth what was more of truth that he would accept.

Therefore, anybody that refuses to use his brain is nothing but a fool; anyone that allows himself to be manipulated is nothing but a slave. A human being is a king that relates with other kings and queens on equal terms. The clear instruction from God is: ? DO NOT OPPRESS AND DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE OPPRESSED.
The declaration that there is no lord but the Just God is what makes a person a human being.

The motivating factor in life is no doubt survival and happiness. Every human being struggles for happiness. For an adult, life is to acquire practical and permanent happiness.

The devilish politicians who have refused to correct their hearts are here today thinking they know why the heavens and the earth are created.

They are the ones that have set up one idol or the other to enslave other human beings while we have all been created to be independent of any human lord.

Rebellion against God has been the single and persistent problem that all prophets were sent to come and resolve. Muhammad happened to be the last in the chain of prophets. All prophets were sent to awaken human beings to the use of their brains and thereby save them from mental enslavement.

While other prophets were sent to specific people, Muhammad was sent to the entire humankind and therefore he came with the Universal Book that is to last for all time.

The message of all the prophets is very clear ? Shun all idols and surrender only to the authority of The Almighty God.

Any independent/free human being is a Muslim. A person that is truly free of all human lords and is not a slave to his desires is definitely a Muslim regardless of what he may call himself. This is just a name to identify the true free-thinkers.

"Say: "O people of the book! Come to a common term between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not from among ourselves lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back say: "bear witness that we are Muslims"

A Muslim is nothing but a Muslim. He searches and abides by the truth alone. A Muslim is any true scientist in both his vertical and horizontal aspects of life. A Muslim is a person that recognizes and obeys no authority but God. The name given to such a person by God is MUSLIM and the way of life is AL-ISLAM

The vertical aspect of life is our learning into the meaning/purpose of life (what to desire). The horizontal aspect is the gratification of our desires.

While a Muslim has no right to force anyone into his own way of life, no one has the right to force him into his political arrangement.

A Muslim is not a Chinese/Japanese/English person though he may be speaking the language and his parents might have come from the particular region.

A Muslim is not a Nigerian/American/Arab though he might be living in the particular region presently.

A Muslim is not a Shia/Sunni/Christian/Jew/Hindu. These are names that have been created to keep people away from God.

It is only the devilish politicians that have emphasized ethnicity/nationality for their devilish ends.

It is the devilish politicians that always set one race/nation against the other. It is these human devils that have always set the so-called Muslims against the Christians. The same devils created a political system they called apartheid in South Africa and the same devils are now in Iraq enforcing their wishes on others.

They rule by setting one group against the other; by creating social classes; by creating idols.

All human beings are selfish and anyone who has the chance would want to become god in exception of those that have completely surrendered themselves to the only LORD and look onto the HEREAFTER.

There are those who have openly declared that they have no business with God and are therefore running their affairs without involving God in their decisions ? they call it secular system. These people sincerely declare their rebellion.

The other group of people is rather hypocritical. They claim to be serving God but the reality is that they have set themselves up as the intermediaries to God. They are worshipped instead of God. They come under the name of religions and spiritual cults.

Sunnism, Shiism, Christianity, Hinduism are not different from Secularism. They are all devised by the Satans to lead people away from al-Islam.

Upon all that Moses did for the Israelites, how many people believed in him while he was alive? But today the enemies have invented ?TALMUD? to deter people away from the teachings of Moses.

Jesus at his time could barely count up to 12 Muslims. Alas! The devils have today turned him into an Idol after corrupting the Gospel. See how the corrupted Gospel is failing the test of Science and making many to become sceptics of religion!

The architects of Sunnism and Shiism (religions of the so-called Muslims) attempted to adulterate the Qur?an but failed so they invented their own Talmud (AL-HADITH) to replace the Qur?an. They turned Muhammad into an Idol. Muhammad who was to be a model to humankind (a genuine Muslim) is now looked upon by those so-called Muslims as a partner to God. As soon as they made Muhammad special he ceased to be a model ? the very reason why an Angel was not sent in the first place.

It is not a coincidence that the Sunnis and the Shias derive their laws from al-Hadith instead of the Qur?an. How many are their judgements that are in clear contrast to the Qur?an! It is not that the devils are not fully aware that the book of God is complete in Truth and Justice and that nothing has been left out. How many so-called Muslims today are enslaved in these human invented religions!

As observed by Karl Max - Religion (in the above sense) is no doubt opium for the masses.

It is through the Hadith that the Sunnis and Shias are today stoning people to death and have made it impossible for anyone to leave their prisons. It is in the same Hadith that they have turned their slaves into robots.

They prevented the non-Muslims from reading the Qur?an (which is sent for all humankind) because they say the non-Muslims are not pure. They prevented the Muslims from studying the Qur?an because (according to them) they are so stupid that they can hardly understand anything by their brains. They need the help of the Spiritualists who supposedly have special contact with God ? the enslavement.

In Q56:79, God only warns that a person has to be objective in mind to understand Him but they misinterpreted the verse for their devilish goals.

If the non-Muslims can not read the Qur?an and the Muslims can not understand it then who is the Qur?an meant for? How much I pray for the day these people study al-Qur'an as a guide in their practical life instead of mere recitation for reward?

Yes! Human religions, nationalism, and the physical symbols are among the idols of today. The idols that Abraham broke and Muhammad tried to remove from Makkah. Muhammad was not fighting against mere stones and carved wood! Both Abraham and Muhammad were fighting against mental enslavement ? the lords behind the idols ? the politicians of today.

What is Nigeria that a person has to pledge to serve with all his strength and to die for? Did anything called Nigeria know how humankind was created? Where has God gone that a person has to serve human illusions?

Know that these are people that have rebelled against the Lord who created and is sustaining them. They are the rebels that have rebelled against their own NATURE. They are responsible for all the evils on earth. They will not stop at anything to enslave you. They have no any respect for your human dignity.

Who is ready to become a Muslim and he is my brother or she is my sister; these are my only loved ones on earth. Where are the ?born again? for truly they are the free human beings?

"Certainly those who say their Lord is one and are firm ? they have nothing to fear nor do they have any cause to grieve."

In a Muslims community, it is not might that rules but the truth. A Muslim community is a relationship between Kings and Queens. God is our home. The enemies have no true home so they can never give you any.

Let us come together to collectively search for the truth and follow it. The Mind is too fertile that a person must either cultivate it himself or the devilish politicians take over.

For more information, send a request for a free electronic copy of my book (THIS IS AL-ISLAM).


I am Idris Ali and you can contact me through my e-mail: idrisomeiza@yahoo.com or by phone: 08053140923
Do not oppress and do not allow yourself to be oppressed

mlbash

Assalamu alaikum, that was a very nice contribution brother in islam, please keep it up may ALLAH continue to guide us right and may our feet never leave the path of ISLAM, Ameen.
t is my intention to make the neglected aspect of our societies viable

HUSNAA

Idris Ali is either practicing a deviant form of Islam, or he is a bogus muslim. There is nothing to learn in his post and a lot to reject. Also what exactly is  he getting at? politicians? the sorry state of the Nigerian social and economic system? talk about them then, dont try and mislead people about Islam and what it is. One thing I noticed is that there is not a single place where he coupled the Prophet Mohammad's name with SAW. A genuine muslim will not do that.
Let me try and point out a few of the 'kurakurai' or mistakes misconcepts or what ever, that are inherent in Idris Ali's posting.


IDRIS ALI WRITESA human being has a body and the soul. While the purpose of life is to uplift the soul at individual?s level of understanding, the body is the physical object by which we interact and manifest our wishes. We definitely have differences in body and environment but not in the soul.

REFUTATION
The purpose of man in this world is to exist as a vicegerent or the representative of God and by extension the purpose of life is to worship God. Worshipping God means submitting one?s will to the Will of God and thus obeying his commands.  
IDRIS ALI WRITES
The best among us is the best in beliefs/awareness/character ? material possession or position is of no relevance completely. All the material differences are meant to give us addresses so as to recognize and organise ourselves and thereby accomplish our material goals.

ALLAH SWT IN THE  QURAN COMMANDS
O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa (i.e. one of the Muttaqoon (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.[/color]

So the best amongst us is the one who is pious and upright in conduct and believes in the revelations of God and practices them. Also our goal in this life is not a material goal, it is a spiritual goal which is to achieve success in the life of the hereafter.

IDRIS ALI WRITES
Every adult lives for his or her heart. Every adult must not engage in anything until he or she can trace the benefit of that thing to his or her heart if not it will be exploitation

REFUTATION
Living for his/ her heart means to follow the dictates of one?s nafs, that is the earthly bodily desires, which is what Islam is teaching us to moderate or abstain from following altogether because the wishes of the nafs is at most times in direct contrast to teachings of the holy Qur?an and Sunna of the Prophet Salaam.
ALLAH SWT IN THE  QURAN COMMANDS
Follow not the lusts (of your hearts) (hawa) lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. Surah Nisaa?i(HQ: 4:135)


IDRIS ALI WRITES
The first umbilical cord was cut by human beings while the second one was by God. The third and the determining rope in life can only be cut by an individual himself. It is for every individual to decide to become or not to become a human being. We all have identical opportunities with respect to this choice. The goal of life is to become a human being.

QUESTION
Can you explain more clearly what these second and third umbilical cords are?[/color]


IDRIS ALI WRITES
What distinguishes an adult from all other creatures of God is nothing but the brain. It is by the brain that we are in charge and manipulating all other creatures. Lions are physically more powerful than us but by our brain they are in our zoos. Elephants are by far bigger than us but today we have them in our zoos. We break mountains and construct skyscrapers ? thanks to the brain. You think you are small and inside you is the universe.

REFUTATION
What distinguishes a human being from all other creatures is that mankind undertook a trust from Allah . This trust is the choice to either obey Allah or disobey Him. That is a choice between good and evil. Allah Offered this trust to all His creation. Every creation declined to accept except man, who decided to undertake it.

ALLAH SWT IN THE  QURAN COMMANDS
We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: but man undertook it; - he was indeed unjust and foolish". (HQ: 33:72).


Consequently God elevated man by giving him an intellect superior to any of His other creations and subjected everything on the universe to the control of mankind. This is in essence giving man the tools whereby he can function effectively in his WORSHIP of his Creator Allah, and not use his intellect  for any other purpose.


IDRIS ALI WRITES
Jesus and Muhammad (God?s blessings be on them all) were human beings like us ? they were not special creatures. God is absolutely just.

REFUTATION
Jesus (AS) and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) are special. They were true prophets and messengers of God. They were given super human abilities which ordinary mortals do not possess. Jesus is the Word of God. His birth was miraculous.He was given supernatural powers of healing and raising up the dead by Allah?s Permission.  He is still alive in one of the seven heavens and awaiting the arrival of the Mahdi and Dajjal to reappear on earth. Prophet Mohammad SAW was given the Holy Quran which in itself is the greatest miracle of all times. He performed the Isra and Miraj whereby he was taken up to heaven and stood in the presence of Allah SWT. He once cleaved the moon into two halves. His companions were priviledged to see and be in the company of Angel Gabriel (albeit in human form) because of him. He revolutionized Arabia, and brought it from the depth of ignorance and depravity to the height of civilization. The prophet Mohammad is the most beloved to Allah out of  all His Creations, and you say they are not special? They were more than human beings like us, just as human beings have a higher status than the other creations of God.

IDRIS ALI WRITES
God sends down His Books so that He can communicate directly with His servants. The goal of communication is to create understanding/awareness.

REFUTATION
Allah does not have to send His books in order to establish communication with His Servants. He Is always in communication and in awareness of all of His Creation. God Sends down His books to guide His servants to the correct way of life. Allah Sends time after time this guidance once man strays from the true path. Direct access to God has always been within the reach of man and Allah Has never denied man that access. Man is also born with an innate awareness of God. Man just has to properly translate that awareness so that he worships Allah instead of something else.

IDRIS ALI WRITES
When the Qur?an was revealed to Muhammad, he was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated to him so that anyone reading the Qur?an today is like Muhammad receiving the message directly from God. There is no intermediary between anyone and God in matter of worship.

REFUTATION
What is said above is complete falsehood by idris Ali is completely false. There is no where in which the Prophet was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated. Allah Took it upon Himself to preserve the Quran in its entirety. That task was never given to the prophet.

ALLAH SWT IN THE  FOLLOWING SURAHS OF THE QURAN COMMANDS

Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).Surah Al Hijr 15:9

77   That (this) is indeed an honourable recital (the Noble Quran).
78   In a Book well-guarded (with Allah in the heaven i.e. Al-Lauh Al-Mahfooz).
79   Which (that Book with Allah) none can touch but the purified (i.e. the angels).
80   A Revelation (this Quran) from the Lord of the Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists). Surah  56 (Waqia)  verses 77 - 80

21   Nay! This is a Glorious Quran,
22   (Inscribed) in Al-Lauh Al-Mahfooz (The Preserved Tablet)!
Surah 85 (Buruj) Verses 21 - 22


The complete memorization of the Quran by the prophet was something which Allah made easy for him and kept it fresh in his memory through Allah?s Grace:

16   Move not your tongue concerning (the Quran, O Muhammad SAW) to make haste therewith.
17   It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad SAW) the ability to recite it (the Quran)
18   And when We have recited it to you (O Muhammad SAW through Jibrael (Gabriel)), then follow you its (the Qurans) recital.
19   Then it is for Us (Allah) to make it clear to you
Surah 75 (Qiyama) verses 16 ? 19
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IDRIS ALI WRITES
The Qur?an put it forward to human beings not to accept what they can not understand by their brain. Faith is by conviction and no person will be punished for what he did not know convincingly.

REFUTATION
The Qur?an did no such thing. The following verse  from Surah 3 Aali Imraan  verse 7 refutes  the above statement by Idris Ali:
It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Quran). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book (and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam (commandments, etc.), Al-Faraid (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)); and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. Surah 3 Aali Imraan  verse 7

In other words there are allegorical verses in the Quran whose meanings are known to Allah alone. We are not to start expounding theories about them. Neither are we supposed to disbelieve because we cannot find out the meaning. We should have complete faith and trust in Allah?s Commands and Judgement. In Islam, one either completely believes or doesn?t. If one is halfway, he is a munafiq. If he is totally out, he is a kafir. Both will be punished by Allah. So there is no such thing as not knowing convincingly (what ever that means)

IDRIS ALI WRITES
Muhammad himself challenged his opponents to bring forth what was more of truth that he would accept.
REFUTATION
Allah Challenged man to bring thereof a verse that is a match to a surah or verse of the quran, not the prophet Mohammad.
ALLAH SWT IN SURAH BAQARA VERSE 24 ? 25  OF THE  QURAN SAYS
And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Quran) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Soorah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.
But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers


IDRIS ALI WRITES
The motivating factor in life is no doubt survival and happiness. Every human being struggles for happiness. For an adult, life is to acquire practical and permanent happiness.

REFUTATION
For a muslim, life is to acquire true guidance and peace in this world, success and happiness  in the hereafter.

IDRIS ALI WRITES
Any independent/free human being is a Muslim. A person that is truly free of all human lords and is not a slave to his desires is definitely a Muslim regardless of what he may call himself. This is just a name to identify the true free-thinkers.

REFUTATION
Muslims are not free thinkers. They are not aetheists. We believe in the Supremeness and Oneness of God and there is only one way to worship Him. All other ways are false ways.
Talking of human lords, in any organized society, there is a hierarchy, whereby some people have the say over others. In Islamic society, it is the same. The difference between a proper Islamic governance  and a non Islamic form of governance is that the leader has to be the most learned, in the Quran and sunna,  in Islamic jurisdiction, pious, God fearing and chosen for these attributes and qualities rather than for being rich or famous or making promises that he cant keep after being elected.


IDRIS ALI WRITES
A Muslim is nothing but a Muslim. He searches and abides by the truth alone. A Muslim is any true scientist in both his vertical and horizontal aspects of life. A Muslim is a person that recognizes and obeys no authority but God. The name given to such a person by God is MUSLIM and the way of life is AL-ISLAM
The vertical aspect of life is our learning into the meaning/purpose of life (what to desire). The horizontal aspect is the gratification of our desires.


REFUTATION
A Muslim is that being who submits his will to the Will of his Creator. His desires and their gratification are  subject to what Allah Ordains and Commands for him to do and not do.

IDRIS ALI WRITES
Sunnism, Shiism, Christianity, Hinduism are not different from Secularism. They are all devised by the Satans to lead people away from al-Islam.
The architects of Sunnism and Shiism (religions of the so-called Muslims) attempted to adulterate the Qur?an but failed so they invented their own Talmud (AL-HADITH) to replace the Qur?an. They turned Muhammad into an Idol. Muhammad who was to be a model to humankind (a genuine Muslim) is now looked upon by those so-called Muslims as a partner to God. As soon as they make Muhammad special he ceased to be a model ? the very reason why an Angel was not sent in the first place.
It is not a coincidence that the Sunnis and the Shias derive their laws from al-Hadith instead of the Qur?an. How many are their judgements that are in clear contrast to the Qur?an! It is not that the devils are not fully aware that the book of God is complete in Truth and Justice and that nothing has been left out. How many so-called Muslims today are enslaved in these human invented religions!


REFUTATION
Sunnis are a sect of Muslims who follow the teachings of the Quran and the Sunna of the Prophet. The word sunni is derived from the word Sunna. A true muslim cannot practice Islam without the accompanying sunnah. The sunnah is the traditions (hadeeth or acts) of the Prophet Salaam. Allah has commanded Muslims to Obey Allah and His Prophet. This is because the prophet is the embodiment of the Quran. He was a living example of how the Quranic teachings should be put into practice, and the practices of the prophet are contained in the hadeeth.  This shows us that Idris Ali is not a muslim but someone trying to mislead people from Islam because he doesn?t even know that the Hadeeth is as essential to the muslim as the Quran is.

IDRIS ALI WRITES
In Q56:79, God only warns that a person has to be objective in mind to understand Him but they misinterpreted the verse for their devilish goals.

REFUTATION
Surah 56 verse 79 reads:
Which (that Book with Allah) none can touch but the purified (i.e. the angels).
So what is the connection between this verse and what  ?Idris? writes above? (I shake my head)
I need go no further with any more refutations of this silly stupid baseless posting. It is sufficient to realize that the person who wrote this is not a muslim but from a sect that call themselves freethinkers. Obviously by trying to play up to muslims in accepting unconditionally the truth of islam and prophet Mohammed, he is applying a very dangerous and effective strategy of misleading muslims who may not be aware of what is happening. When one accepts yr belief, you become willing to listen and even accept what he has to say. What happens is that ppl like Idris Ali say things that are true and believed by muslims like the oneness of Allah and the prophethood of the Rasul. Then they go on to invent lies which those who do not read translations of the Quran or read the ahdeeth often enough, will think is what is really contained in the Quran or hadeeth, whereas these are total falsehoods and unless a person is made aware of this, one goes on to believe the lies written and therefore stands in danger of committing major sins. Allah Ya Kare mu Amin
Ghafurallahi lana wa lakum

Idris

QuoteOne thing I noticed is that there is not a single place where he coupled the Prophet Mohammad's name with SAW. A genuine muslim will not do that.


My Reply:
What about this:
?Jesus and Muhammad (God?s blessings be on them all) were human beings like us ? they were not special creatures. God is absolutely just. ?

Meanwhile where did you find it in the book of Allah (which did not leave anything out) that a genuine Muslim must put SAW after each time the name of the holy Prophet is written?

You were so mad with me that you also wrote the name of prophet Muhammad without adding SAW. Read the last part of your refutations. Are you a genuine Muslim?


QuoteThe purpose of man in this world is to exist as a vicegerent or the representative of God and by extension the purpose of life is to worship God. Worshipping God means submitting one?s will to the Will of God and thus obeying his commands.

What does a person achieve by submitting himself to God and worshipping Him? Is it not to uplift the soul? What is really your problem with this my statement:
?A human being has a body and the soul. While the purpose of life is to uplift the soul at individual?s level of understanding, the body is the physical object by which we interact and manifest our wishes. We definitely have differences in body and environment but not in the soul.?

By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it;
And its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right;-
Truly he succeeds that purifies it,
And he fails that corrupts it!
[Q91:7-10]


QuoteSo the best amongst us is the one who is pious and upright in conduct and believes in the revelations of God and practices them.

How do you find it to be opposed to having good character? The character of the prophet (according Nana Aisha) was the Qur?an.


QuoteAlso our goal in this life is not a material goal, it is a spiritual goal which is to achieve success in the life of the hereafter.

Be patient to understand what you want to refute. This is what I said:
?The best among us is the best in beliefs/awareness/character ? material possession or position is of no relevance completely. All the material differences are meant to give us addresses so as to recognize and organise ourselves and thereby accomplish our material goals. ?


QuoteLiving for his/ her heart means to follow the dictates of one?s nafs, that is the earthly bodily desires, which is what Islam is teaching us to moderate or abstain from following altogether because the wishes of the nafs is at most times in direct contrast to teachings of the holy Qur?an and Sunna of the Prophet Salaam.

?Truly he succeeds that purifies it (i.e. the nafs)? What do you think you are here for my dear brother/sister? Is it not to purify/upgrade your heart?

A person destroys the heart by following the carnal desires instead of the rational sense.


QuoteCan you explain more clearly what these second and third umbilical cords are

If only you were patient and had read the article carefully, you would have seen that I said: ?When a person becomes fit mentally to face life by himself, God the Almighty cuts the second umbilical cord; the new adult is henceforth responsible for the procurement of his needs and security. If his life would be sweet or bitter, it would now depend on how he utilises his God-given brain and mind. A person up till this point has become an adult though not all adults are human beings; some adults are worse than beasts.

The first umbilical cord was cut by human beings while the second one was by God. The third and the determining rope in life can only be cut by an individual himself. It is for every individual to decide to become or not to become a human being. We all have identical opportunities with respect to this choice. The goal of life is to become a human being.?

The second umbilical cord is cut when a person becomes an adult while the third is cut when a person decides to become a Muslim/Mumin/Human being.


QuoteWhat distinguishes a human being from all other creatures is that mankind undertook a trust from Allah . This trust is the choice to either obey Allah or disobey Him. That is a choice between good and evil. Allah Offered this trust to all His creation. Every creation declined to accept except man, who decided to undertake it.

Do you want to tell me that human beings were like other creatures prior to the taken of the trust?
What is the trust?

How did other creatures know and decide that they must not accept the offer of the trust?

How did human beings know that they must accept the offer and yet they were not different from the other creatures?

It is good to think before one writes.



QuoteJesus (AS) and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) are special. They were true prophets and messengers of God. They were given super human abilities which ordinary mortals do not possess. Jesus is the Word of God. His birth was miraculous.He was given supernatural powers of healing and raising up the dead by Allah?s Permission. He is still alive in one of the seven heavens and awaiting the arrival of the Mahdi and Dajjal to reappear on earth. Prophet Mohammad SAW was given the Holy Quran which in itself is the greatest miracle of all times. He performed the Isra and Miraj whereby he was taken up to heaven and stood in the presence of Allah SWT. He once cleaved the moon into two halves. His companions were priviledged to see and be in the company of Angel Gabriel (albeit in human form) because of him. He revolutionized Arabia, and brought it from the depth of ignorance and depravity to the height of civilization. The prophet Mohammad is the most beloved to Allah out of all His Creations, and you say they are not special? They were more than human beings like us, just as human beings have a higher status than the other creations of God.

Did you ever sit down to ask yourself why Allah did not send an Angel as His messenger to humankind but send a humankind like them?

Do you still remember where Muhammad (may the blessings of Allah be with him) said that he is just a human being like us except that he receives revelation?

How do you think Muhammad can serve as a model for us when he is not like us and we can never be like him?

Allah talked about two mighty creatures that would have to account to Him on the Day of Judgment (the Jinns and Humankind) ? where did you come about super human?

My dear brother/sister! The difference between us is only in Taqwa. Muhammad and Jesus (Allah?s blessings be with them) became special as a result of their Taqwa and no more. They were human beings that ate and went to toilet like us.



QuoteAllah does not have to send His books in order to establish communication with His Servants. He Is always in communication and in awareness of all of His Creation. God Sends down His books to guide His servants to the correct way of life. Allah Sends time after time this guidance once man strays from the true path. Direct access to God has always been within the reach of man and Allah Has never denied man that access. Man is also born with an innate awareness of God. Man just has to properly translate that awareness so that he worships Allah instead of something else.

Why are you finding it difficult to understand that by al-Qur?an Allah is talking/communicating with you? Must you refute everything I say?


QuoteWhat is said above is complete falsehood by idris Ali is completely false. There is no where in which the Prophet was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated. Allah Took it upon Himself to preserve the Quran in its entirety. That task was never given to the prophet.

You said the above statements in refutation of my statement that:
?When the Qur?an was revealed to Muhammad, he was instructed to leave the words of God exactly the way it was communicated to him so that anyone reading the Qur?an today is like Muhammad receiving the message directly from God. There is no intermediary between anyone and God in matter of worship. ?

If you are a student of al-Qur?an,  you must have come across verses like ?Say He Allah is one?,  ?Oh Prophet! Deliver what is revealed to you?. These are examples of quoting Allah VERBATIM.

Why do you think it has to be in this way? Don?t you feel the sense of Allah talking to you directly when you recite the Qur?an in the same way that He was talking to the holy prophet?


QuoteThe Qur?an did no such thing. The following verse from Surah 3 Aali Imraan verse 7 refutes the above statement by Idris Ali:
It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Quran). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book (and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam (commandments, etc.), Al-Faraid (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)); and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. Surah 3 Aali Imraan verse 7

In other words there are allegorical verses in the Quran whose meanings are known to Allah alone. We are not to start expounding theories about them. Neither are we supposed to disbelieve because we cannot find out the meaning. We should have complete faith and trust in Allah?s Commands and Judgement. In Islam, one either completely believes or doesn?t. If one is halfway, he is a munafiq. If he is totally out, he is a kafir. Both will be punished by Allah. So there is no such thing as not knowing convincingly (what ever that means)

You were refuting the following statement of mine when you ran the above explanation
?The Qur?an put it forward to human beings not to accept what they can not understand by their brain. Faith is by conviction and no person will be punished for what he did not know convincingly. ?

And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (Q17:36)

It makes no sense for Allah to send to humankind a message that none among them can understand ? why did He have to do that? It is very unfortunate what people ascribe to Allah.

Why do you want to make yourself to believe that there are some portions of the message that the holy prophet did not understand? And you think adding SAW to his name is all that you need to clear off this blasphemy?

Language is human invention and it is as imperfect as the inventors. Allah needed to communicate in human language that is full of ambiguities.

To resolve the problem inherent in human languages, Allah specified the fundamental principles for resolving the ambiguities. One of those fundamental principles is that Allah is absolutely Just. If you now come across a verse that has more than one possible interpretation, you disregard any interpretation that connotes injustice on the side of Allah.

If you want more explanation do not feel shy to ask. We are all learning.

By our nature, we do not accept completely what we are not convinced of except we are pretending. Al-Islam is by awareness not pretence.


I said :
? Muhammad himself challenged his opponents to bring forth what was more of truth that he would accept.?

You refuted the above statement because you might not have thought over the verse that states:
Say: "Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful!" (Q28:49)


QuoteFor a muslim, life is to acquire true guidance and peace in this world, success and happiness in the hereafter.

If a person acquires true guidance and peace in this world then he will definitely become happy because he is successful.

What is wrong with my statement that:
?The motivating factor in life is no doubt survival and happiness. Every human being struggles for happiness. For an adult, life is to acquire practical and permanent happiness.?


QuoteMuslims are not free thinkers. They are not aetheists. We believe in the Supremeness and Oneness of God and there is only one way to worship Him. All other ways are false ways.
Talking of human lords, in any organized society, there is a hierarchy, whereby some people have the say over others. In Islamic society, it is the same. The difference between a proper Islamic governance and a non Islamic form of governance is that the leader has to be the most learned, in the Quran and sunna, in Islamic jurisdiction, pious, God fearing and chosen for these attributes and qualities rather than for being rich or famous or making promises that he cant keep after being elected.

A person who is not thinking freely can not see the truth as it is. Is a Muslim not searching for the truth?  Do not allow yourself to be misled by some atheists that call themselves free-thinkers yet they are mentally enslaved to other gods. A Muslim is the true free-thinker because he is not subservient to any god.


QuoteSunnis are a sect of Muslims who follow the teachings of the Quran and the Sunna of the Prophet. The word sunni is derived from the word Sunna. A true muslim cannot practice Islam without the accompanying sunnah. The sunnah is the traditions (hadeeth or acts) of the Prophet Salaam. Allah has commanded Muslims to Obey Allah and His Prophet. This is because the prophet is the embodiment of the Quran. He was a living example of how the Quranic teachings should be put into practice, and the practices of the prophet are contained in the hadeeth. This shows us that Idris Ali is not a muslim but someone trying to mislead people from Islam because he doesn?t even know that the Hadeeth is as essential to the muslim as the Quran is.

There is no sectarianism in al-Islam. Al-Islam is one.

As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.  (Q6:159)
Do not oppress and do not allow yourself to be oppressed

Idris

#4
Salaam to all.

Now that the heat is off, can we give it a trial once more? Is there anyone to rationally challenge the main post of this thread?

You can read yourself to see if there has been any tangible reply.

You can read the Hausa translation to get the full message at  http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=2279.0

Thanks wassalaam
Do not oppress and do not allow yourself to be oppressed

Dan-Borno

idris, from what i understand, you are propaganding
the movement which is clamouring for the use of
Qur'an alone without hadith which we term them
yan tatsine in a local way.

firstly, i want to formally put in my request for the
copy of your book and you can send it through my
email address which is busuguma@gmail.com, then
after reading the book thoroughly i can have the
power and right of reply.
"My mama always used to tell me: 'If you can't find somethin' to live for, you best find somethin' to die for" - Tupak

Idris

#6
Quote from: Dan-Borno on November 28, 2008, 02:07:28 PM
idris, from what i understand, you are propaganding
the movement which is clamouring for the use of
Qur'an alone without hadith which we term them
yan tatsine in a local way.

Rather, I am saying that al-Hadith should not be made to replace the Qur'an. I believe you agree with me 100% in this respect. Right? Definitely you are not yan tatsine for that.

The question now should be whether such thing as replacement actually took place or not. This could be our port of embarkation.

Quote from: Dan-Borno on November 28, 2008, 02:07:28 PMfirstly, i want to formally put in my request for the
copy of your book and you can send it through my
email address which is busuguma@gmail.com, then
after reading the book thoroughly i can have the
power and right of reply.

This is the rational thing to do - I commend you for your mature approach.

Though I have sent a copy of Part one (This is al-Islam) to your mail box, you can read both the Part 1 & 2 online at  http://gardens.freeforums.org/online-books-f15.html

Part 2 is titled LIFE-CYCLE and it is about our interactions- part 1 is about the meaning of al-Islam, some clarifications and about al-Ibaadah.

Waiting to hear from you brother.
Do not oppress and do not allow yourself to be oppressed