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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2004, 10:34:38 PM »
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? ?Now, let's talk about eating KOLA NUT (Goro)?
I see this as HARAM as well, if ya'all agree cigarette is HARAM!

*Deep sign*......although I do nt hav d full knowledge on this aspect so May Allah accept my Ma'afs.

This is not like eatin oink oink (Pig) pork is haram, kolanut is haram :o whutttt? (sho!!)

*signs again* Dante...so basically we all have "SINNERS IN D HOUSE".......my grandmother is a kolanut muncher, my great granddad eats kolanut, my uncle eats kola, my mothers father eats kolanut, my neighbour's freinds granddad eats kola, yawwa! d security guard is d worst kolanut eater I'd eva seen. Dante am 100% sure dat amongst ur relatives, u also hav a kolanut eater. So they hav all done haram because dey'v eaten kolanut & eatin kola is haram, so dey r all ?sinner? :-/.

*signs* Durin hausa marriage they share kolanuts 2 spread d news dat so & so r about 2 jump d broom (a way 2 bless d nikha), wen d couples marry dey borne a child, dey share kolanuts 2 invite ppl 4 namin ceremony......dey hav done haram? because they shared kolanut which will b eaten by others koh?

Furthermore, everything is based on intention......ur state of mind is wat will b judged accordin 2 ur intention, ur intent 2 carry out an act, ur intent 2 chew kolanut 4 pleasure or other purpose will obciously differ!

A child can eat a kolanut, with what intention (children just like to put things in their mouth) so dat makes d kid is a sinner because he has eaten haram?

I can eat a kola not 4 pleasure of smell rather 2 avoid me from pukin as my sista Fateez said, because I seen something disgustin, so does my intention justify d fact that I hav eaten kolanut knowin it is haram?

I hav guest over my house, my tradition says I shud break a kola 4 ppl I respect......so eatin it is haram and indeed we are sinners?

Allah will not judge ppl if they lack an intention in carryin out an act....I mean, this is simple reasoning...."Do you think God will put a man in hell fire 4 rushin his pregnant wife 4 delivery 2 hospital but accidentally runs over a crippled man? So God will punish him because he has killed a crippled without an intention or knowledge koh? If you disagree he lacks the intention, then it could be said without reasonable doubt Allah will not curse all those kolanut eaters includin my grandmother unless infact they know it is haram and if indeed eating it is haram!

Dante, please do nt get me wrong, I really respect ur views however, I would kindly like u 2 provide me or otherwise 4 d beneficiary of those dat oppose:proper sources........proper islamic evidence....yes! I can do a lil research on search engines, bt kai da kafada sai ka kawo back up facts koh?

What will b d next thing: Drinkin pine apple juice is haram because *duin nyindi dum kude nasara e yahudue'n?* :-/

Once again, may Allah accept our Ma'afs where we go wrong.
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2004, 01:25:49 AM »
Salaam,

All i want u to understand here is: if you agree that smoking
is a sin, then you must agree that eating kola nut is a sin as
well!

Cause, i see no difference in both! Just like in Arab tradition,
it is just taken normally like we hausa ppl eat kola nut. Some
even have this called shish (it's like a cigratte machine!)
it's just very normal within their society just like we hausa's
take kola nut. & i bet ya if u ask an ARAB (cigratte is a sin) ,
he'll dafenately say NO & reply in the same way ya'all did &
felt when someone says eatin KOLA is a SIN.

As fateez said "Some ppl eat kola nut to cool them down, when
they feel like vomiting or so" it's the same thing with cigrette!
coz i've asked few smokers & ma question was:
what & how does it feel when you do or dont smoke ?
what most of em said was (for pleasure, cooling temper...) &
some things that no one will take for an answer u know.


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*signs* Durin hausa marriage they share kolanuts 2 spread d news dat so & so r about 2 jump d broom (a way 2 bless d nikha), wen d couples marry dey borne a child, dey share kolanuts 2 invite ppl 4 namin ceremony......dey hav done haram? because they shared kolanut which will b eaten by others koh?

The same culture in arabs, they share cigari as something
similar to the hausawa culture.

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*signs again* Dante...so basically we all have "SINNERS IN D HOUSE".......my grandmother is a kolanut muncher, my great granddad eats kolanut, my uncle eats kola, my mothers father eats kolanut, my neighbour's freinds granddad eats kola, yawwa! d security guard is d worst kolanut eater I'd eva seen. Dante am 100% sure dat amongst ur relatives, u also hav a kolanut eater. So they hav all done haram because dey'v eaten kolanut & eatin kola is haram, so dey r all  sinner?

I'm a kola nut chopper as well, & alot of the ppl i know eat it!

Best moment of eatin Kola is: Right after a meal, take it
with some pure water! my, my.
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2004, 01:52:41 AM »
Assalamualaikum yanuwana,
To nidai nabuwan zuwana kuma na iske ku kuna wani discsussion wanda naga zamuyi koyi kuma da fahimtar juna.
Mallam Dante kamar yadda baiwar Allah nan Malama Ummita tayi bayani, ina ganin akwai babbar banbanci tsakanin masu shan taba for pleasure da masu cin goro for a purpose: misali sau da dama na kan ga masu ciki ko mai jego suna cin gori saboda kwannafi da kuma jin amai and that INTENTION is different kamar yadda aka yi bayani a sama. Moreso, kakaninmu sukan ci goro not for pleasure, wasu kamar symbol ne ai (alamar an shigo sawun tsufanci, ma'ana tsufa ya isa aci goro, wasu tsofaffin ma gani suka its fashion, its in vague idan an kai 80yrs upwards a ringa ci goro)

E'to zan iya cewa shan taba tabbas haramun ne amman cin goro gaskiya bani da basira akai amman zanyi tambaya amman dai bayanin da yaruwar mu musulma ta bayar, ya kamata ayi mata kallon kwarai don hakika akwai batutuwa masu ma'ana da ta fada regarding culture and goro (biki, suna da dai sauransu)
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2004, 02:06:50 AM »
Gaskiya ne wannan, Ni kaina zan kara yin tambaya akai kafin
next post dina!

Allah yasa mu dace.
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2004, 03:24:15 PM »
Do not straight you hands to cause destruction to your self.
I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2004, 06:32:35 PM »
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Do not straight you hands to cause destruction to your self.


~*Salaam*~

Thanxx for givin'  dis example
But if you are using dis example, Then u shudn't consider
kola only. Be more realistic...

Compare da "harmful kola" to da normal egg we eat...

Kola: makes ur teeth brown rite

(but can be fixed)

Kola: Kills ur lungz

(True, but it depends on the quantity taken)

Dat's it, rite?

Let's check out da egg...

Egg: Really nice when boiled, and when fried, Even better!

But eggs contain saturated fat, In fact not even eggs, Dairy products; Milk, cheese, man shanu, yoghurt.
food like Meat, kidney and many other proteins and carbohydrates. All these sources are converted into Cholesterol!!!


Low density Lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol oxidizes and
deposits in the walls of arteries to form"atherosclerosis," or
hardening of the arteries. This condition causes 500,000 heartattacks each year. Isn't dis dangerous as well?


 Wat I'm tryin 2 say is, If we say eating kola is haram, then we r also indirectly saying dat eating food in general is haram(Which is not so). LDL does more harm than kola. Our fore fathers and ancestors ate goro, and still lived longer than 80 years (average). But a man wit high LDL might not live dat long! They barely even exceed 60 years of age! Dis is just  comparing the two classes of food.

(Allahu Wa'alam)

 May Allah help us...

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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2004, 11:58:42 AM »
God bless u mah sista!

Besides KOLANUT is our (ANCHESTRAL DELICACY/DESERT) ;D

Dante & Jamilu, we await more information please
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2004, 08:06:39 PM »
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Wat I'm tryin 2 say is, If we say eating kola is haram, then we r also indirectly saying dat eating food in general is haram(Which is not so). LDL does more harm than kola. Our fore fathers and ancestors ate goro, and still lived longer than 80 years (average). But a man wit high LDL might not live dat long! They barely even exceed 60 years of age! Dis is just  comparing the two classes of food.
(Allahu Wa'alam)

Salaam,

I don't think you can compare food with kola!
secondly: kola does more damage to you'r health
more than Egg as you were saying.

My point why i said kola should be regarded as
haram here is because it fits into the same category
as cigrette is. due to the harmfull side effects they
both do in the human respiratory system.
And everyone knows that Kola & cigrette contains
alot of nicotine, that's a very dangerous & addictive
substance to the body.

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Besides KOLANUT is our (ANCHESTRAL DELICACY/DESERT)

I agree with you 100% but you will have to agree it's
just like cigrette is smoked in ancient ARAB society.

What i'll have to conclude here is that you guys have
to agree that Kola is in the same category as Cigrette.

Fateez, i hope u are waving a white flag!
LoL.
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2004, 09:41:38 PM »


I HAV ALOT OF TIME 2DAY......
We can go on & on, bt wat I'd requested had nt been provided all I ask is that you provide sources that talks about Kola and all the prohibited reasons 4 it dats all! But still u didnt......

Halal and haram: We all know the difference, Halal foods r those dat  r permitted for consumption by Allah- the supreme lawgiver. In the Holy Quran, Allah commands Muslims and all of mankind to eat of the Halal which isn obligatory. On d oda hand, Allah subhana wata'ala 4bids us 2 eat haram. Yes indeed we all know dat it is forbidden 4 every muslim 2 vacuum haram foods & any1 who does dat wud b a sinner. True! I raise no requistions 2 dat.

Dante: 4rom my little knowledge on dis aspect, am sure u will also agree wit me dat  Halal and Haram in a way describes food products, meat products, cosmetics, personal care products, food ingredients, beverages etc. And indeed dey r accordin 2 d Holy Quran & Shari?ah Law. True koh?

Toh,......I am not wrong if I say Milk (from cows, sheeps, camels or goats),Honey,Fish,plants which are not intoxicant :eg genetically modified),Fresh or naturally frozen vegetables. errrmmmm.....yawwa! Fresh or dried fruits like lentils,beans,pistachios, cashew nuts, hazel nuts, walnuts, etc. Now if kolanut is a nut where does it fall part of? I will ansa dat myself it falls part of nuts (dried fruits)
Grains such as wheat, rice, rye, barley, oat, xcetra xcetra we all knoe dey nt haram.

Now animals such as cows, sheep, goats, chickens, ducks, xcetra r Halal, but obviously dey must b slaugthered according 2 Islamic Rites am I ryt or wrong? Howeva "ionk ionk" (as I luv refferin 2) Pig/Swine/Pork & blood & blood by-products, carnivorous animals.I definately wnt eat monkey (bt some gambians do!!! seriouly) reptiles & insects and even halal meat if dey r not slaughtered according to the Islamic Law r 2 b considered Haram!

Now let me recap on the kolanut issue, if at all kolanut is haram, so is tootpaste, body cream, bath soaps, cereals (kellogs), ketchup, mayonnaise, salad cream, bars of chocolate bars, perfumes, kai even d afta shave dat Dante keeps in his toilet drake hanger is haram! Why because 90% of dem contain either of these: they contain either one or more of these substances: Gelatin,Enzymes,Emulsifiers,Lard,Glycerol/glycerin etc. Now in circusmtances like these we r advised 2 avoid all things like dat bt on d other hand, it is quite undertsnadin 4 usage of things dat we cnt avoid I didnt say go chop pork thou!

Wat am tryin 2 point out 2 u Dante is this:
Alims, Ulamas/Ustaz we've all heard dem preach.....
Drinkin alcohol is haram, adultery & fornication is haram, lyin, stealin, backbiting,eatin pork.....etc........
Though there is less of these knowleged respected ppl sayin; "o ye, ppl do nt eat kolanut, 4 it is haram and it is a sin, 4 Allah will put u in hell if u eat kola, avoid it, stay away from it....etc!
U see every act carries a weight the sinness of commiting is wat is weighed upon. On d contrary we've heard billion times...that lesbinians, gaysim is all haram, adultery or eatin pork meat will definately differ from d sinness of eatin kolanut (dats if it is haram) .......Wat I want u 2 understand is u just cnt cum out & say something is haram without having d real facts @ hand. Now if indeed kolanut is haram, billions hav eaten it without knowledge of it being haram. Wat will happen 2 dem kenan. For I hav read several chapters & so many surahs in d qur'an where relates & translated that: Allah does nt fynd u in d wrong 4 an act dat u hav done witout a reasonable sound intention.  Now I ask you this question; Supposing a cow was feed animal feeds which contains....lets say animal fat like pig & d cow ends @ d butchers place & u happen 2 purchase rib cage 2 grill @ home (dats if u even know how 2 cook!!) does it equally make it haram 4 u, even thou u hav no knowledge?

Dont get me wrong brotha,am nt sayin I whole heartedly disagree, am nt sayin u r lyin bout it, either way I am nt sayin that I will disagree wit d words of Allah however, what I need is sources! If u provide me wit these, trully I will b among d ppl 2 pass d message startin wit mah family mah granny most especiall...I will bann her!
I rest my case!
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2004, 06:37:19 AM »
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I don't think you can compare food with kola!
secondly: kola does more damage to you'r health
more than Egg as you were saying.

Why not?!?!?!

Oh, so u mean 500000 heart attacks is not damage?

Sumtimes pple get heart attacks without knowing da cause!
Egg harms ur circulatory system

kola harms ur respiratory system

They both harm, rite?

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And everyone knows that Kola & cigrette contains
alot of nicotine, that's a very dangerous & addictive
substance to the body.


No, everyone doesn't KNOW kola contains nicotine.

Every one, THINKS Kola contains nicotine,

But it doesn't!

The only contradiction with kola is Caffeine

Don't believe mi? Search wit google!

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I agree with you 100% but you will have to agree it's
just like cigrette is smoked in ancient ARAB society.

Why r u comparing us 2 da Arabs ne?

We are very different 4rm dem.

Just because u think cig. is haram, and dey do it,

doesn't mean our dear goro is haram!

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What i'll have to conclude here is that you guys have
to agree that Kola is in the same category as Cigrette.

Why r u jumpin into conclusion, ne? we don't have to

agree!

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Fateez, i hope u are waving a white flag!
LoL.

There will be no white flag above ma door!!!
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2004, 06:44:29 AM »
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Dont get me wrong brotha,am nt sayin I whole heartedly disagree, am nt sayin u r lyin bout it, either way I am nt sayin that I will disagree wit d words of Allah however, what I need is sources! If u provide me wit these, trully I will b among d ppl 2 pass d message startin wit mah family mah granny most especiall...I will bann her!
I rest my case!

Yeah dat's true sista!!!

Nobody's tryn 2 go against u.

We just need proof.

Umm..I explained d way egg causes harm, rite?

So pls explain wat kola does 2 us.

Pleeeeeeeeeeease ;D ;D ;D
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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2004, 09:33:58 PM »
PLEASE WHICH ONE HARM MOST

  CIGARETTE OR KOLANUT?
n GOD i trust

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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2004, 01:07:30 AM »
Gaskiya nayi kokarin cijewa akan kada nayi magana akan wannan matsala amman nakasa. A nan dai, ina gani kam duk sharhinsu dayane. dalili na kuwa na fadan haka shine saboda duk suna illantar da hunhun mutum. wanda gaskiya ne wannan gameda goro (kolanut).

Amman hakikanin gaskiya duk wani bahaushen da bai da illimi game da wannan fanni, aka zo aka fada masa hakan zai ce ba haka bane ba. Amman ga mutum mai ilimi, aka gaya masa yadda goro (kolanut) yake lahantar da mutum, to zai yadda game da cewa haramun ne. domin musulinci ya fada cewa duk abin da zai illantar da kai, haramun ne.

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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2004, 04:48:31 AM »
well well well ............ i try the hardest to avoid discussing religion especially islam,yet i find myself conciously tempering with this topic excuse the audacity guys, i just couldnt resist the temptation to cause a few eyebrows to rise , who knows i might even suffer an insult or two , but as usual this never stops MaQari from voicing his opinions, now with this stated i will dive into the matter at hand ,
saifi i see you qoate the scripture and if my memory serves me correct the original arabic format is :
"wa la tulqu bi aidiyakum ilat~tahlukati"
trouble is if you use this script to boycott or sanction ciggerettes you will also be left with no choice but to sanction many other necessary human practices,which ranges from simply drinking the lead saturated third world tap water all the way down to flying the air-bourne death traps Nigerian companies like to call aircrafts, thus to single out ciggerette smoking is just  incircumstantial , im not trying to play the devil's advocate role rather just depicting my stand point,
YES im a smoker a chain smoker as a matter of fact, so i observe first hand how notoriously harmfull is smoking to your health,i also am aware that most ciggerette smokers have a love/hate relationship with nicotine most old time ciggerette smokers often attempt vainly to quit,furthermore caution nonsmokers not to start, in my 23 years of existance i never heard of a case where a kola eater tells a frieand " hey mallam you see this kola eating habit? never start it its bad for your health" , actually its usually quite the contrary they are quick to offer you one, ( this is sometimes also the case with smokers ) except in our case we sooner withdraw the offer after learning that the acquintance does not smoke , but the hausa elders will prove more or even ask you to take it and give it to your grandma ( if u happen to have one )
now how pathetic would i sound if i give you a ciggerette and ask you to take it to kaka ?  :-/ , truth is we often like to dissect and go back on forth on minor issues  that only serve to distract us from the graver issues (like the present condition of our people), once again a "suggestive thinking " methodology being recycled to keep the common folk occupied with vaig matters  while the administrations devour the nation with an amazing velocity.
     so guys please give it a rest the issue is been argued since the ice age, yes tobacco is harmfull extremely so, does that make it a godly sin ? i do not know neither do i care , and if i stop, it damn sure wouldnt be because some ancient scripture or some religious conservertive aristocrat says so , it will be ultimately to save my poor lungs, if you ask me we should let those stubborn traditional arguments rest in their shallow grave,they are long dead, and Allah might have created my mind but i govern it my damn self . ONE

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Re: SMOKING IN ISLAM
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2004, 03:06:34 PM »
Salaam siss & bro's

Ina fatan dai yanzu ummita & fateez have understood
my point of referring to categorise smoking & kolanut
in the same category i.e (something harmfull).

And if something is harmful to the human body, it is
something we referr it to as haram!

Da fatan kun gane manufata ?
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