Nigeria 1988 population was false.. He is data to prove it.

[mrguest]

mrguest,


Please I fail to see what value this is to our Online Forum members and visitors. I suggest that you just provide for us a link and source of this information, if you insist. it is really taking up valuable server space fo.Myaddu

Mrdudu and guest. Here is a the point... No nation can success base on falsehood for long... Do you know that Islam tteaching that we must show the world the light for we are the light.. And Islam do not want cheating... You see that is what I am trying to point out on this website..

I have a knowledge of server and IT in general Mr admin.. my posting does not affect your server.. Let the truth be spoken.. Here is the point how come is it that ogun with more than 4000 villages and town would be less populated than katsina.... which have only 899.. Except if figure where false... this is my point.. and I think I am done it convincing and that bring fear to your heart...


I want to assure you that as long as allah lives.. we would fight to the last that our generation would not be cheating by your people, just like your father did to our father. If it mean blood would be shed.. then blood will it be. those who refuse to make change possible then change would be force on then. Blood would flood.....

you ask for my source... The head of the govt body which did the  compalation of the villages and town, is headed by an hausa fulani  man

I keep the source secret for now.... But your heart would know that the true scare you in the face.... and I know out of fear of the truth may come out. you would try to kick me away... But I have proof my point..


Because of you.. I would show you a website ,, not the original one...



http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/nigeria

[admin]

mrguest,

we would fight to the last that our generation would not be cheating by your people, just like your father did to our father. If it mean blood would be shed.. then blood will it be. those who refuse to make change possible then change would be force on then. Blood would flood.....

What is all this got to do with my concern of the size of your postings and request for a web links source?

What did my father as the Admin of this forum did to your father? I do not even know who you are and I do not know if my father knows your father? do you or your father live in Kano? Please let me know what is it that my father did to your father, Name, place and time... so I can notify him and then try to see what can be done.

Thank you for providing web links to the source of the information. That is all I ask. ---> http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/nigeria/
I am then going to modify your postings to point to the web link.

Kano state Village, Town and cities ---> http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/nigeria/Nigeriakano
Gombe state Village, Town and cities ---> http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/gombe/
Kebbi state Village, Town and cities ---> http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/kebbi/
oyo state Village, Town and cities ---> http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/nigeriaoyo/
Jigawastate Village, Town and cities --> http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/jigawa/
Adamawa state Village, Town and cities
Borno state Village, Town and cities
Yobe state Village Town and Cities
Ondo State Villages Town and cities
Sokoto state villages Town and cities
katsina state villages Town and Cities
Taraba villages Town and cities
Kaduna villages Town and cities
kogi state villages Town and cities
Zamfara state villages town and cities
Anambra state villages town and cities
Benue state village Town and cities
Kwara state village Town and cities
Ebonyi state villages Town and cities
Osun state villages Town and cities
Ogun state villages Town and cities
River state villages and cities
Edo state villages and cities
Delta state villages town and cities

[Indabawa]

mrguest wrote:

...And Islam do not want cheating...

[/b]


Ofcourse,and Islam does not allow a beleaver to willingly allow himself to be cheated.

Your position is simply a part of an unfolding game plan that was well planned and now in the process of execution.

What, however, you failed to realise is that ..."you plot,Allah plots,and Allah is the best of plotters"

Need we say more?

Kifi na ganinka mai jar koma. :!:

[mrguest]

mrguest wrote:

...And Islam do not want cheating...

[/b]


Ofcourse,and Islam does not allow a beleaver to willingly allow himself to be cheated.

Your position is simply a part of an unfolding game plan that was well planned and now in the process of execution.

What, however, you failed to realise is that ..."you plot,Allah plots,and Allah is the best of plotters"

Need we say more?

Kifi na ganinka mai jar koma. :!:

Thank you. But Indabawa, I am not plotting anything, I am just speaking the truth.. that the figure is false.. I am in the USA.. And I have data and information.. the reseach centre allows me to use the satellite  Imagine .. So I can see every villages and town from my computer at work... It is a USA govt agency.. It is just too expensive.. I would have back up this information with satellite imagine.. If I can get fund to do that.. Please if you can help.. it  would cost $5000.. But I would provide all nigeria.. with the picture before the census is done.. if I can raise the money....


Do you know that Kano city , not the state... Is less than 209 sq km in land area... company to Ibadan with 715 sq km.. this is see from satellite....   abuja is less than 200 sq km in area coverage...


I am talking about statistics I am not been political... I am not plotting anything..  I work with data... Do you know that In lagos there are more than one million northner in lagos... Do you count them as yoruba. no but it does not mean , you should remove their population and now look for a state in the north and add them to him.. just because you want to balance the population of North and south.. I would tell you this , from what I see on satellite Imagine.. there are more people in the south than the North.. but it does not mean that everybody in the south are from the south... you have hausa, in ibadan., enugu, other places, but there are more settle in the south than the North....
I have reach an agreement with the owner of the website below to host all the satellite picture on this site below... Go into the this website.. and you would see imagine, in few days..


http://nigeriacom.cjb.net/



http://nigeriacom.cjb.net/


http://nigeriacom.cjb.net/

[alhaji_aminu]

Mr Guest you are really something else. You work hard I must confess.
Good news. There will be census in 2005, Obasanjo said. So the best way to ascertain your claims is by cross-checking your sophisticated-satellite- modelling-for-guestimating-population conclusions with the actual count.
Dont forget, however, that just like the ID card project is mired in controversy and fraud, the census will be no different. So, you might be lucky because some areas such as kano will have a net loss due to.........what else: the counting of animals.
ciao amigo.

[mrguest]

Mr Guest you are really something else. You work hard I must confess.
Good news. There will be census in 2005, Obasanjo said. So the best way to ascertain your claims is by cross-checking your sophisticated-satellite- modelling-for-guestimating-population conclusions with the actual count.
Dont forget, however, that just like the ID card project is mired in controversy and fraud, the census will be no different. So, you might be lucky because some areas such as kano will have a net loss due to.........what else: the counting of animals.
ciao amigo.

Mr youradudu, I am going to guess you sell meat in nigeria, just joking..
I know you do not believe that the south have more settlement.. If you do not believe my finding, would you believe an hausa/fulani who some years back head a nigeria committe to map nigeria into zone and they werre able to zone nigeria into postal code for the Nipost, is name is anrugugu, is now the Postmaster general of nipost. He is also a computer guru....  check nipost website.. ever villages and town is included......

http://www.nipost.com    

Please mr youradudu, count the number of villages and town in each state.. and compare with my finding..... please compare kano  and oyo state.....


I hope you would not say that hausa/fulani man would also lie, he could not imagine and create new villages that does not exist like IBB did in 1988 with the census figure..  I hope you read today news that IBB called tofa when he wanted to manufacture new election result..  when he wanted to cancel 1993 election...

[mrguest]

Mr Guest you are really something else. You work hard I must confess.
Good news. There will be census in 2005, Obasanjo said. So the best way to ascertain your claims is by cross-checking your sophisticated-satellite- modelling-for-guestimating-population conclusions with the actual count.
Dont forget, however, that just like the ID card project is mired in controversy and fraud, the census will be no different. So, you might be lucky because some areas such as kano will have a net loss due to.........what else: the counting of animals.
ciao amigo.

Mr youradudu, I am going to guess you sell meat in nigeria, just joking..
I know you do not believe that the south have more settlement.. If you do not believe my finding, would you believe an hausa/fulani who some years back head a nigeria committe to map nigeria into zone and they werre able to zone nigeria into postal code for the Nipost, is name is anrugugu, is now the Postmaster general of nipost. He is also a computer guru....  check nipost website.. ever villages and town is included......

http://www.nipost.com    

Please mr youradudu, count the number of villages and town in each state.. and compare with my finding..... please compare kano  and oyo state.....


I hope you would not say that hausa/fulani man would also lie, he could not imagine and create new villages that does not exist like IBB did in 1988 with the census figure..  I hope you read today news that IBB called tofa when he wanted to manufacture new election result..  when he wanted to cancel 1993 election...

Nipost website is http://www.nigpost.com/

[mrguest]

Mr Guest you are really something else. You work hard I must confess.
Good news. There will be census in 2005, Obasanjo said. So the best way to ascertain your claims is by cross-checking your sophisticated-satellite- modelling-for-guestimating-population conclusions with the actual count.
Dont forget, however, that just like the ID card project is mired in controversy and fraud, the census will be no different. So, you might be lucky because some areas such as kano will have a net loss due to.........what else: the counting of animals.
ciao amigo.

Mr youradudu, I am going to guess you sell meat in nigeria, just joking..
I know you do not believe that the south have more settlement.. If you do not believe my finding, would you believe an hausa/fulani who some years back head a nigeria committe to map nigeria into zone and they werre able to zone nigeria into postal code for the Nipost, is name is anrugugu, is now the Postmaster general of nipost. He is also a computer guru....  check nipost website.. ever villages and town is included......

http://www.nipost.com    

Please mr youradudu, count the number of villages and town in each state.. and compare with my finding..... please compare kano  and oyo state.....


I hope you would not say that hausa/fulani man would also lie, he could not imagine and create new villages that does not exist like IBB did in 1988 with the census figure..  I hope you read today news that IBB called tofa when he wanted to manufacture new election result..  when he wanted to cancel 1993 election...

Nipost website is http://www.nigpost.com/

Idabawa and youradudu do you now have enough prove now..

[Indabawa]

mrguest wrote:

...I am not plottlng anything...And i have data and information...the research center allows me to use the satellite imagine..So i can see every villages and town from my computer...I am talking about statistics I am not been political...I am not plotting anything...





Agreed mrguest,but do you know that census in Nigeria has never been uncontentious?The census figures since colonial times, has always been contested by the South.This is because as we all know,population figures largely determines the distribution of resourses and the political power.

It is on this premise,that population of a particular group can to a large extent perpetuate a strong hold on power, galvanised the South in to hammering in to the ears of all those who care to listen, that all the past census exercises were deliberately skewed to favour the North.

Now that the South has tasted power under a clearly undemocractic arrangement,a contraption known as power shift by Obasanjo presidency,the Southern elite are hell bent in reversing the supremacy of Nothern population.

Thus,the debut of the NigeriaSat-1,a satellite programme that will provide a "sharp and accurate"data and image of estimated 93,000 towns and settlements that dot the Nigerian landscape.

However,any keen and dispassionate observer can easily understand that there is more to the programme than what is on the surface.The South, characteristically rallied behind and applauded president Obasanjo for finally resolving to address the "National Question".

The data and image to be used in capturing "rooftops" of villages that cluster each location of the country,will be used to determine the actual population of these settlements.

Now my friend mrguest,this is where the conspiracy theory comes to fore.If the rooftop images are going to be the determining factors in ascertaining the population density of a settlement,as asserted by president Obasanjo recently,and vociferously expounded by your self,then there is indeed a PLAN to rig the forthcoming census exercise.

The president had made an impression that it would be impossible for any one(from the north?) to ascribe a population of 10,000 people to a village shown on the satellite monitor to posses not more than 30 roofs!


THE ROOFTOP THEORY[/b]

By pre-empting the public conscience that satellite images so far recorded had indicated that South is more densely populated than the North,cannot hold water by any stretch of imagination.

There is no gainsaying the fact that North,with overwhelming Muslim population, is also a polygamous society.There is hardly any family in the Muslim North that you cannot find two or more wives.Likewise,the traditional family set-up of the Muslim North allows for extended family structure.Thus,a compound may contain 20-30 households,with each unit having at least 2 house wives,and each wife bearing a possible number of 8 or more childrens.

Then by simple arithmetic,each compound may contain 60 house wives with their 480 childrens and 30 fathers.This putative illustration, excludes Grand pas & mas,aunts,nieces and other close relatives!

In short,a compound in a typical Northern community may have a 570 residents.Therefore,Obasanjo's paradigm that a settlement with 30 roofs may find it impossible to ascribe 10,000 population,is according to our simple but practical analysis a mere presupposition.Our simple arithmetic based on the above, may give us 17,100 people in a typical Northern settlement.As can be seen therefore,OBJ's paradigm of 'rooftop images',is simply a belated miscalculation.

Now can't you see why the North should naturally suspect the motive of discrediting the past exercise, for no other reason than  paving the way for laying the foundation of rigging the 2005 census exercise,in which the South is poised to tilt the balance to it's favour?

No! president Obasanjo is not the right man to conduct an effective head count exercise,despite your data and imagin of rooftops! :lol:

[Indabawa]

Forumites,

Please accept my profound apology for the incongruency of my latest post.

My system developed a technical problem when i was preparing to compose and send the post.

Once again,accept my apology,dear Forumites.

Jazakumu llahu khairan kullukum.

[Abut]

This guest obviously has an agenda,the guy is not rational at all,every1 knows that census figures have always been rigged by every1,n this issue of land mass has nothing 2 do with the number of pple living in an area.you sound like a tribal bigot ,we dont need tribal nationalists like you in our drean nigeria.Love thy neighbour.

[mrguest]

I just laugh when I read your piece, Mr Idabawa, I would assume that you are not a science student... I just want you understand the president.. There is no way a town or villages can have 30 roof and have 10,000 people.. No where in the world.... Because if you divide each roof would  333.33 people per roof., there is no way a one floor house have 333.33 .. If us assume 20 room in the house... You would have 16.667 per room... How possible is that 16 people would live in one room...

If you have never seen a satellite imagine.. here is an Imagine produced by satellite.... below


www.globalsecurity.org/eye/wtc.htm


you would see how clear it is to see each house.. and if you click on each picture, you see better..


Mr Idabawa, there are not 97000 town and villages in Nigeria.. but there are only 47,032.. I wonder how you got your figure, another false figure, I hope you did not work for the 1991 census board that manufactured the last census figure.. you look like an expert in  manufaturing figure.... Just joking.... do the counting of the number of villages on nipost website... mr idabawa manufacture non existance name please for me .   i want to hear them.


Satellite can see clearing all imagine... On earth...

Take for instead with the area cover kano city have and the said 1991 census figure , Kano city would have high density of people in an area in the world, even tokyo japan which hold the record , did not have the figure IBB gave kano city.. even  local govt in lagos never  had sure figure... all      ibb said was  Kano is the most dense place in the world..
according to IBB , kanocity was the most dense area in nigeria.... with an average house have 261 person per house.. this can not be.... The maximum room in  most one floor house in Nigeria is 20.. and at an average of 10 person per each room in the house... that is if we assume all houses have 20 room .. Kano would have 200. I do not think.. more than 7 person live in a room in any pert of nigeria.... And multiple by 20.. it is 140... I wonder where IBB came up with 261 ..

Where muslim are only allow to marry 4.. but Yorubas are allow to have more than 7 wife.. Yoruba culture encourage many wife... many yoruba people have more than 6 wife.. at average of 10 children per woman.. it   add up to 60 children per man compare to your  32 childred per man in the north.


Why are you scare of satellite imagine,, if really you people are really so many as you have always claim,, then your people should not be scared, except if really you have somethings to hide.. Do you people have something to hide ?......

I wonder except if really your people have alway manufacture the figure...



Mr Idabawa you are a lier i  have to say this.... I have been to hausa land and lived there...

so you said 570 people live in a compound but how many roof in one compound...  One compound have more than one roof..


... My man, you are a lier.. I have lived in katsina, kano, kaduna, Yola, Borno.... There is no way more than 100 live in a compound......look at your argument.. And you know you are a lier..
I would say no compound in the north have more than 200 people...
I shown my white friend your write up... And he told me , you are really sick..



if you look at the Nigpost website.. you would realise that the south have more villages and town than the north...    The Post master general is an Hausa man... Argugu.. If you doubt walk into any an post office in nigeria and you buy a book that have a list of all villages and town in nigeria and street in nigeria.  which include the area code.. ..

or visit nigpost website....  http://www.nigpost.com




let now do a calculation
if we assume state have the same average villages population .... which is equal to the average villages population of Nigeria by 1988 census figure , which is 1882 person per villages...

How do I arrive at the average nation villages population ... the maths equation is below


Nigeria average villages population=

= Total national population
------------------------------------
total number of villages


= 88,514,501
----------------- = 1882.0059=1882(approx)
47,032


Jigawa state would have a population of about 1,552,650 .



Looking at the number of villages and town... I do not doubt all the state figure in the north...but some...

I believe that state like Sokoto , kebbi, jigawa, and katsina, zamfara were false figure... they are less populated than what is claim.. I believe from my math calculation using various factors to determine....

I believe that Katsina population(899 villages and town) by 1988 was around 1,691,918 million, instead of the 3,878,344 IBB govt gave us.....

I believe that kebbi( 625 villages and town ) was about 1,176,250 million by 1988.. And I believe the sokoto ( former sokoto include zamfara) was about 2,875,696 million.. but IBB claim it was 4.3million,... I believe that jigawa population(825 villages and town) was about 1,552,650 million. i believe kano ( 1134 villages and town) was about 4.0 million in 1988.. (assume that the 546 street in kano have 40 person per house and 50 houses per street...... ) if I use the same number of person per house of 20 person use in ibadan, kano would have about 3 million.

kano calculation is 1133 villages without kano city..2,147,362. while kano city would be 1,092,000... if you add that up, kano would be 3.239,362 people... and I know that most houses in kano has less than 40 person per house.... instead of 20.


I also would say that my calculation that a state like adamawa, kogi, kwara, bauchi and benue were short change in the 1988 census figure...

from my calculation I believe Adamawa(1588 villages an town ) was about 2.9 million 1988... And Kogi state with 1947 villages was about 3.66 million.., my calculation also point to the fact that in 1988 the population of kwara over 3000 villages was about 4.7 million. and bauchi state(gombe include) would be 3.9 , benue state was about 3.55 million too...




one of the was to remove fraud from the census figure is to have a electronic feedback card, where each citizen is given a feedback card, and the feedback card is collected back by each  state govt. and they would do the calculation of their state by the number of card return in each state......


if the national average population of a villages is use .. here below are how all the state would end up in population

katsina 1.69m
Edo state 2.6m
beyelsa 1.05m
kebbi 1.17m
anambra 2.4m
imo 3.4
jigawa 1.55 m
enugu 2.44 m
ondo 3.43m
ekiti 1.44 m
borno 1.94m
adamawa 2.988m
kano 3.11m
kaduna 4.8 m
oyo 6.3m
ogun 7.7 m
osun 2.71 m
lagos 6.9m
cross river 2.88m
taraba 1.52m
kogi 3.66m
benue 3.54m
gombe 1.9 m
kwara 6.1m
zamfara 2.0m
sokoto 0.804 m
bauchi 3.01m
yobe 0.956m
abia 1.89m
ebonyi 1.87 m
akwa ibom 1.9m
delta 2.54m
plateau 2.1m
nassarwa 1.57m
niger 2.25m
abuja 0.56m




Why cant the north Stop all this fraud ,, why is that everytime the real true is about to come out ... You people get scared... why koba ka ba

[Eskimo]

Nice assumption.....very well
But to be honest with you it remains just an assumption...my reason is..

I have been living a part of my life shuttling between Kaduna, Abuja, Kano, Katsina, Bauchi, Plateau, and Adamawa. So my judgement will be based on these states I know..thou I have been to many states in Nigeria if not all! Forget, Lagos aside,  I may agree with your assumption on Oyo state and may be Ogun too..but to be honest I am sure.

As for those state I listed...I dare even their state governors..lol..

Adamawa 2.988
Bauchi 3.01
Kaduna 4.8
Kano 3.11
Katsina 1.69
Plateau 2.1

This are your figures...
did u know that most villages in Bauchi are just hamlets..I check you list...most of them are very insignificant villages yet you want us to believe that Bauchi is as densely populated as Kano and more than Katsina! The same case with Adamawa..I even use to tease a friend of mine from there..Hamlet State..lol..(just joking..apoplogyI dont mean to belittle our dear emirates of Mubi and Yola).

If you modify it to look some thing like this. (based on your assumption ofcourse, not really the actual figure!)

Adamawa 1.69  ---   not 2.988
Bauchi 2.1          -----       3.01
Kaduna 3.11      ----        4.8
Kano 4.8           -----         3.11
Katsina 3.01       ----       1.69
Plateau 2.1         ----     unchanged

Based on what I see with my koro koro eyes....not satelite from above
you may succeed in FOOOLING us....you and and your sick white friend!
yes, sick and foolish for he has never gone outside America and he is there judging what is in Africa..i dare called him a fool for calling my brother Indabawa sick!

As for you, well you are a friend and I believe you are talking based on the facts you gather..(you could have made a mistake)..but why dont we allow this census to take place..we will then see for ourselves..no need to continue arguing. let us just put hands together and develop our country and live in peace with one another!

[mrguest]

Eskimo you said

"""This are your figures...
did u know that most villages in Bauchi are just hamlets..I check you list...most of them are very insignificant villages yet you want us to believe that Bauchi is as densely populated as Kano and more than Katsina! The same case with Adamawa..I even use to tease a friend of mine from there..Hamlet State..lol..(just joking..apoplogyI dont mean to belittle our dear emirates of Mubi and Yola).

If you modify it to look some thing like this. (based on your assumption ofcourse, not really the actual figure!)

Adamawa 1.69  ---   not 2.988
Bauchi 2.1          -----       3.01
Kaduna 3.11      ----        4.8
Kano 4.8           -----         3.11
Katsina 3.01       ----       1.69
Plateau 2.1         ----     unchanged  """"


I refuse to change the figure of Adamwa.. With the number of villages and town in adamawa town like Jada, ganye, Numan, mubi, hong , song,demsa and yola I believe that Adamawa is more populated than Katsina..... I have been to yola and katsina town.. and Yola ttown is at least 2 times the size of Katsina.... Yola town inlcude Jimeta sub, Yola is a metro now... I was in Yola some two years ago, when I came to Nigeria. My friend Mohammed had a wedding... I met him while I was living in Yola.... I also live in Katsina town for 6 month , and Duara for 3 month, and I was posted to Malumfashi for the rest of my 3 month..

Let compare Katsina to Adamawa....
1 Yola  (245,785)  is more populated than Katsina (223644) town and bigger in Land size..

2 . Mubi is more populated than Malumfashi.. even in the 1991 census figure Mubi was put at 161077, while Malumfashi 158338

3 numan in 1991 was put at 87568 while daura was put at 80510

4 While Ganye had 160,638 , compare to fuatua 162,888



so if you look at the states you would see that all the big towns are match in population and adawama having the edge... but adamwa with  1588 villages by the end of the day was give 2.1 m., while katsina was given 3.8 m..  with only 899 villages..  Before 1991 census figure, all other census proof that thier are more people in the present adamawa state than the present Katsina state including the 1963 figure...  In 1991 Katsina state  population  was said to have triple in size from the 1963 figure while adamawa figure was said to have gown less than 1.5%





Kano state and Kaduna , let us compare the two....



1.. If you look at the Nipost website... who would see that Kano state had 1133 villages  and town but kaduna have 2175 villages and town..

If you look at the website you would see that the number of street in kaduna is about 500 , compare to 500 plus in kano... so both city are about the same in poulation with kano just have may a little edge.. I think very like edge... While Kaduna have big town like Zaria, Kafancha, kachia, Lere, makarfi. Kano state can not boost of such town... the 1991 figure put about halk the population of kano state into kano town.. and if kano and kaduna are about the same size... than Kaduna with more bigger city like zaria , Kafancha, Kachia should be more populated.... zaria is more populted than any other town in kano state apart from kano town.


I stand by my calculation

[mrguest]

I believe that Kaduna state is more populated than Kano state...
and that adamawa state is more populated than katsina state...