Assalamu alaikum,
The Israeli Air Force used a new bunker-buster missile in the Gaza Strip that it received recently from the United States to kill hundreds of innocent Palestine citizens it has barricaded and dep[rived supply of food, water and drugs. This is REAL TERRORISM!!!
The missile, GBU-39, was developed recently by the US as a small-diameter bomb for low-cost, high-precision and low collateral damage strikes.
In a report yesterday, The Jerusalem Post said that Israel received approval from Congress to purchase 1,000 units in September. The report quoted defense officials as saying that the first shipment had arrived earlier this month and was used successfully in penetrating underground Qassam rocket-launchers in the Gaza Strip during the heavy aerial bombardment of Hamas infrastructure on Saturday. It was also used in Sunday's bombing of tunnels in Rafah.
The GBU-39 is said to be one of the most accurate bombs in the world. The 113-kg bomb has the same penetration capabilities as a normal 900-kg one, although it has only 22.7 kg of explosives.
At just 1.75 meters long, its small size increases the number of bombs an aircraft can carry and the number of targets it can attack in a sortie.
It is amazing to see this agrassive measures taken on unarmed civilians for democratically electing Hamas party to governed them, but we all now who is behind this attacks.....and Almighty Allah will surely fulfil his promise. No matter how powerful is Isriel, the Almighty is more powerful than they are.....
Innalillahi wa'inna ilaihi raaji'uun!
I had decided not a utter a word on that carnage perpetuated by these merciless blokes--May Allah curse then severely and break their backs, amin. It was unbearable! I am out of words, wallahi. Jews? What a bunch of idiots, thugs, whatsover. Allah ya isa!
@thegood,
you have really said it all. They thoughtlessly take it as there would not be hereafter, no! As the Qur'an says; Allah will surely reincarnate them. And surely will be accounted for their (mis)deeds. Allah yasa mu cika da imani.
Yet, I frankly speaking heap some blames on these Hamas people by firing the less-destructive rockets to the Jews territories. Although there own (originally) but now Israeles. Had it been these attacks could have a significant effect then fine and good. But now look at the response? For God's sake wa aka cuta? Even French president who is behind Isra'el says the response they are making is 'disproportional one'.
May Allah in His infinite mercy forgive those killed at that massacre. May He accept their shahada and put them in Al-jannah, amin. And may He on other part curse the Jews and put them in hell fire, amin.
Up Islam! Down any 'other' belief!
Yah Allah ya kawo musu sauki..! Pls let not get tired praying for for them.. Send your donation too if you can,
they are in urgent need of medical supplies and other necessities..
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All do take donation on line, no amount is too little..., Pls do Help your muslims brothers and sisters in crisis
Jazakallah!
Why are u all surprised? This isnt the first time Israel has hammed it out with good measure on the Palestinians. Its also nearing election time in Israel. Zippy Livny wants to be prime minister. Her party which is the current ruling party also wants to stay in power. Hamas just handed them a perfect excuse to show muscle and wow the Israeli ppl into a false sense of security. Also the Israeli Army is trying to recoup its tarnished image after the debacle with Hisbullah in Lebanon, about two yrs ago. All said and done, lets not forget that this is not a religious war. Its a border war. Lets not forget that the Arab govts are also to blame for their complacency. We heard America blame this fresh blooding letting on Hamas, likewise Germany, the UN calling a halt and mouthing inanities, Iran condemning Israel and calling an end to the jewish nation (not the jews, there is a difference there), while Hisbullah has called for another Intifadah. Iraq is caught between its brethreness to the Palestinians and its emasculation to American demands. I havent heard anything from Jordan, or Saudi Arabia or the UAE. I havent heard anything from North Africa either. And Egypt? Well its opened up its border to allow the injured to be treated in their hospitals. I guess its amassed a small troop their as well to stop a Palestinian exodus into Egypt.
Poor Palestinians! Allah Ya Saka muku.
Assalamu alaikum,
CAIR says Israel has turned Gaza into a giant jail
Israel has said it will not cease its assault until Hamas stops firing missiles into its territory.
White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said yesterday in Crawford, Texas that Bush telephoned Meanwhile, the situation on the ground in Gaza has been characterized as panic. "I've been on the phone much of the weekend doing interviews with people in Gaza," said Nora Barrows-Friedman of Flashpoints Radio. "The people there are filled with panic and terror — and this comes after a prolonged siege that deprives them of needed food, medicine, clean water, electricity — the basics of life."
Saying that Israel has turned Gaza into a "giant jail," the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the largest Muslim advocacy group in the US, has called for the US government to act immediately to end to Israel's "illegal and immoral" bombardment.
"We also demand that the Bush administration join with the international community in seeking to end the collective punishment imposed on the civilian population of Gaza by Israel's ongoing blockade of humanitarian aid," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. "We call for a resumption of the cease-fire that, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, was 'unilaterally violated when (Israel) blew up a tunnel.'"
The outgoing US administration maintains that Israel has the right to defend itself. Washington has also cautioned Israel to do what it can to avoid civilian casualties.
Meanwhile, the Israelis refusal to allow the media into Gaza makes it impossible for the world to know what's happening there.
Joel Simon, executive director of the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists, called for an explanation on the bombing of Al-Aqsa TV headquarters in Gaza City on Sunday.
"We are also dismayed by the army's decision to declare Gaza's northern boundary with Israel and other parts of the territory 'closed military zones'," said Simon.
This latest move, along with previously stated restrictions, prevents journalists from effectively reporting from the Gaza Strip."
Israel's Supreme Court will hear a petition Thursday brought by the Foreign Press Association, which represents around 400 foreign journalists there, demanding that Israel allow reporters into Gaza to cover the latest conflict.
In an open letter, the Foreign Press Association said that the closure of the Erez crossing to journalists marked "an unprecedented restriction of press freedom. As a result the world's media is unable to accurately report on events inside Gaza at this critical time," it said.
"Despite our protests the Israelis authorities have refused to let journalists in ... We believe it is vital that journalists be allowed to find out for themselves what is going on in Gaza. Israel controls access to Gaza. Israel must allow professional journalists access to this important story."
Dr. Mounzer A. Sleiman, a National Security Affairs analyst based in Washington, criticized the US media reporting on the Gaza bombings. "The problem is that the dominant narrative in the American media is biased in favor of the Israelis because of the long influence and propaganda and 'education' that the Israeli side has been doing for decades.
"It is not helping is that we have a president-elect that has many hopes and frustrations being put on his shoulders, but his silence is complicit because he's selective about his commentary of claiming that we have only one president.
"He enthusiastically commented on a whole set of issues from economics to Mumbai attacks, but when it comes to the war crimes that are being committed by the Israelis — he's deferring to the Bush administration, and we all know their position is ... Since Hamas came to power, the Israelis been trying to isolate the regime, so this campaign has many goals to achieve," said Sleiman. "The primary goal is to affect the Israeli election and to provide better chances for the coalition of Labor and Kadima to maintain power and try to reduce the chances of the Likud coming back to power. And they're using the Palestinian body count as a means of increasing their votes in the coming election.
"The other issue is to try, during the transitional period in the US to the new president, to change the status quo to where Fatah, the Palestinian Authority, will expand their authority over Gaza. The Israelis want a willing partner for a potential compromise and they need to prepare the situation on the ground, and the weak Palestinian Authority is willing to sign on to the Israeli demands for the control of Gaza.
"It's a kind of military coup by the Israelis to bring their interlocutor to power, like the military intervention in Iraq, to bring a power into government that was subservient," said Sleiman.
Quote from: HUSNAA on December 31, 2008, 06:22:07 AM
All said and done, lets not forget that this is not a religious war. Its a border war.
Are we together here, auntie? Well I don't think.
It was not originally a religious war, yes. But it is now. Why? IDF are currently bomberding mosques. And they did already demoilished Islamic university, Gaza. Why? Just to cripple islam.
Quote from: HUSNAA on December 31, 2008, 06:22:07 AM
Lets not forget that the Arab govts are also to blame for their complacency. We heard America blame this fresh blooding letting on Hamas, likewise Germany, the UN calling a halt and mouthing inanities, Iran condemning Israel and calling an end to the jewish nation (not the jews, there is a difference there), while Hisbullah has called for another Intifadah. Iraq is caught between its brethreness to the Palestinians and its emasculation to American demands. I havent heard anything from Jordan, or Saudi Arabia or the UAE. I havent heard anything from North Africa either. And Egypt? Well its opened up its border to allow the injured to be treated in their hospitals. I guess its amassed a small troop their as well to stop a Palestinian exodus into Egypt.
Poor Palestinians! Allah Ya Saka muku.
What these so-called Arab leaders are doing is a real pain in the neck, wallahi. They are but bunch of stupid idiots.
America on other part is to be blamed on whatsoever Israel does. They are morethan their godfathers. They never do wrong, accoring to American view. Allah ya isa.
May the Almighty Allah curse the zionists wherever they are. And may He free poor Palestinians from their bondage and seige, amin.
@Firdausi
I wish I could give that assistance. I so far recieved about three msgs asking for that also. But I get no way to send this.
Really, as aunty said "is not surprising". That is the primary objective of settling of or creation of the jews state there. History recorded how the zionists with the unwavering support of the west and America coarced their to leave europe and America when israel? was created about sixty years ago. If America and europe really love jews why cant they then settle them in their domain. I cried internally and externally on seeing the high carnage metted on innocent civilians (women and children especially).
America is blaming the HAMAS now but failed to blame the Jews when the mounted blockades across the Gaza stip and some parts of the west bank.
We pray to ALLAH who made Hizbullah Victorious over the jews (last year or is't early this year?) to grant victory and endurance to the Hamas Qassam brigades for he is all powerful all Victor. we should all remember that Arab leage leaders are damaguoges and also America will be the last to Help a muslim nation.
>:( >:( Wani abin haushi wawayen Arab leage leaders are considering refering the jews' assault on Gaza to UN security council. if will wonder for what? . Just now Aljazeera's inside story is hosting two Arabian analysts on the issue, am particularly happy one of them accused the Arab leaders for not doing what they should.
Action For Gaza..............!!!
American supplied Israeli F-16s, bombing the 1.5m residents of Gaza
After five continuous days of bombardment death toll at nearly 500 - many women and children
Thousands injured and tens of thousands homeless, refugees fleeing for their lives
Israeli jets bomb university and mosques
Israel recalling its reservists and mobilising troops for a ground invasion.
Gaza effectively a prison-like enclosure totally controlled and sealed off by Israel
1.5 million inhabitants of Gaza denied access to basic foods and medicines by economic blockade.
Western governments and the UN have insidiously tried to equate the deaths of 17 Israelis since 2005 with the massacre of nearly 500 in five days.
Extensive speculation that the Massacre is linked to the forthcoming Israeli elections.
Secret meeting between Israeli and Arab governments prior to Massacre
Egypt exacerbates suffering by closing it border with Gaza
Iran make empty rhetoric while doing nothing to defend the people
Syria calls for useless Arab Summit to justify inaction
Regional Muslim governments silent knowing that they face public backlash
Egyptian, Syrian and Iranian Government can defend people of Gaza
SPEAK NOW - CALL ON THE MUSLIM ARMIES TO DEFEND GAZA – DO NOT ACCEPT THE SILENCE AND INACTION OF THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE MUSLIM LANDS
Demonstration To 'Call On Arab Armies To Defend Gaza'
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Demonstration march on Sunday 4 January 2009 starting at1pm from Paddington Green through the heart of the Arab community in London to Marble Arch, where there will be a rally and protest speeches. It is vital to have a large showing to register the anger on the streets of London at the Israeli massacre and the inept response of Muslim rulers. Read More
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Assalamu alaikum,
Firdaus, i feel guilty I have been doing nothing while (astagfiruLah) my brothers and sisters are being killed mercilessly- it is conforting that somebody is doing something- Jazakumullahu khair. May Allah (SWT) accept all those killed as matyrs and unite the Muslim Ummah-amiyn.
For how long shall we fold our alms and be watching helplessly the heinous crimes and murder of innocent souls in Gaza strip? What are muslims world over doing with their strentgh that they cannot afford to use it and fight back the tyranny meted on them by the Israelis?
I am sorry to say that its WE muslims that are from background that are much more concerned about this. The Arab world does not care. The so-called Arab league of nations and OIC are just watching helplessly. They are just carricature organisations being ridiculed by the west to satisfy their interests.
Allah yaji kan wadanda suka mutu. Allah kuma ya saka musu da aljannat firdausi. May Allah give their families fortitude to bear the loss.
Musulmi fa ya kama ta mu sake tunani.
Of course it is not surprising. This is like, what, the 1000th time? So while it is pathetic and barbaric, I try not to even follow the stories. Su kansu 'yanuwan su larabawa (at least the govt) basu damu ba. Like Husnaa said, it is not wholly a religious conflict per se, though one can't deny some religious undertone to it. Allah ne kawai zai saka musu, kuma ya kawo karshen abin. Amma those Arab states can't/won't do nothing to help the palestineans.
This is not a religious war. It is a war about territiry and the determination of Israel to remove the Palestinians eventually from all their lands to secure Israel's existence. There are Christians in Gaza too.
The Israelis are getting away with this because they have the support of the US (what is Barak Obama doing about it?) and because of the cowardice of the rest of the West to go against US policy. The silence of Saudi Arabia is also disgusting.
Wallahi I won't believe with any saying that this Israel offensive or rather carnage against Palestinians is not religiously motivated war. Why on God's earth do they bother to demolish mosques then. Even yesterday, a mosque comprising 17 people, 4 of them children, was destroyed by their air strike. And many more others have been destroyed? Hmm...lets be realistic. If you tell me that the origin of the violence was on boarder stuff then I can well agree. But it has apparently now changed 'form', I understand. Not I alone but every muslim have understand...except few.
May Allah curse the Zionist! May he enfeeble their capabilities. May He give Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other allies of muslim ummah narasa upon the juggernaut IDF, ameen!
Do not make the mistake of confusing all Jews with the State of Israel. There have been many Jews in UK and all over Europe marching in protest about Israel's actions today. It is not a war about religion. It is a war about the borders of the Israel state and the land they have stolen from the Palestinians. They want to remove the Palestinians completlely so they can keep the land.
Well this trick is really getting old: Islamic militants harrass Israel, and the latter brings out the sledgehammer. What is amazing is how both sides stick to tried, tested and failed methods and yet continue expect a different outcome.
In this particular conflict, the responsibility for the present misery in Gaza lies largely with the Hamas, whose brazen provocation of Israel really calls into question its agenda as far as its responsibilities to the Palestinians in Gaza are concerned. No serious nation will allow uncontrolled rocket fire into territory to continue unchecked, and Israel more so than others. The Hamas today really typifies the sort of piss-poor leadership which, along with the creation of the state of Israel, has left the Palestinian people in such a sorry condition today. Refusing to officially recognize Israel and repeatedly calling for its destruction may sound great in the ears of the street vendors in Gaza or even the Kano-onliners in this thread but realistically this is a political dead end and is the surest explanation for the present gaping dichotomy in tranquility between the West Bank and Gaza.
Toh united we stand and divided we fall....., So we will continue to suffer until we forget our differences, hold each other hands, stand together and walk same direction, with such unity we surely be a hard nut to cracked and who ever insist will lose his fingers in the process.... may be may be oneday..... May Allah bring unity to the muslims ummah, may he also wake our leaders from thier sleep and let them smell the coffee.......For now Allah ya kawowa Palestinian sauki, ruwan bama baman nan yazam Qanqaara ya Allah.. AMINnnn!
SURPRISINGLY OBAMA IS ALSO SAYING NOTHING, OR UNTILL AFTER HIS INAUGURATION? ???
Quote from: MySeLf on January 06, 2009, 01:03:40 AM
Toh united we stand and divided we fall....., So we will continue to suffer until we forget our differences, hold each other hands, stand together and walk same direction, with such unity we surely be a hard nut to cracked and who ever insist will lose his fingers in the process.... may be may be oneday..... May Allah bring unity to the muslims ummah, may he also wake our leaders from thier sleep and let them smell the coffee.......For now Allah ya kawowa Palestinian sauki, ruwan bama baman nan yazam Qanqaara ya Allah.. AMINnnn!
SURPRISINGLY OBAMA IS ALSO SAYING NOTHING, OR UNTILL AFTER HIS INAUGURATION? ???
Amin summa amin.
Quote from: MySeLf on January 06, 2009, 01:03:40 AM
SURPRISINGLY OBAMA IS ALSO SAYING NOTHING, OR UNTILL AFTER HIS INAUGURATION? ???
The bastard said yesterday there is one president in the US and he has spoken. And there should not be two voices. Virulent pig! Better than nothing.
muhsin kenan, what is the other arab nations doing
that you are most interested in what Obama is going
to say? leave obama out of this.
Quote from: Muhsin on January 06, 2009, 01:11:52 PM
Quote from: MySeLf on January 06, 2009, 01:03:40 AM
SURPRISINGLY OBAMA IS ALSO SAYING NOTHING, OR UNTILL AFTER HIS INAUGURATION? ???
The bastard said yesterday there is one president in the US and he has spoken. And there should not be two voices. Virulent pig! Better than nothing.
Take it easy Muhsin. I seriously believe that Obama didnt say anything because if he did, he would side with the Palestinians and so better keep quiet than risk a political faux pas before he is even inaugurated. One Israeli Rabbi came out and said that Obama should speak out against Hamas because he was quite vocal when terrorrists attacked those hotels in India. So now that he is keeping quiet could mean that he really doesnt like whats happening in the middle east. He just cant say anything yet, mouthing off about no two voices at the same time (meaning Bush's and his own), which is quite clever of him.
Quote from: Cekenah on January 05, 2009, 10:51:30 PM
In this particular conflict, the responsibility for the present misery in Gaza lies largely with the Hamas, whose brazen provocation of Israel really calls into question its agenda as far as its responsibilities to the Palestinians in Gaza are concerned. No serious nation will allow uncontrolled rocket fire into territory to continue unchecked, and Israel more so than others. The Hamas today really typifies the sort of piss-poor leadership which, along with the creation of the state of Israel, has left the Palestinian people in such a sorry condition today. Refusing to officially recognize Israel and repeatedly calling for its destruction may sound great in the ears of the street vendors in Gaza or even the Kano-onliners in this thread but realistically this is a political dead end and is the surest explanation for the present gaping dichotomy in tranquility between the West Bank and Gaza.
Assalamu alaikum,
Cekenah,
Israel is a like thief who sneaked into some body's(Palestine) house took a small portion and every year increases that portion pushing the land owner out of his legitimate property.
You fail to emanciapte yourself with fact that Israel has stubbornly refused the supply of all medicine, food, etc., into Palestine for two years into Gaza and withholds Palestine wealth simply because a legitimate government led by Hamas was elected democratically- before this period were rockets being fired into Israel?. How could these poor people survive these hardship? When One Jew is killed it becomes a Breaking news but no body cares when 20-100 Palestinians are mercilessly killed such news is reported casually. Matsiyata ... saura kadan su boye bayan dutse ditsenma ya fallashesu.
UNITED NATTIONS AND THE WEST HYPOCRISY:
1. Israel gets its supply of weapons from USA,
2. The United Nations has passed many kangaroo resulutions against Israel's aggression and Terrorism- Israel and its child USA have never respected these resolutions.
Mr. Cekeneh? Shikenan sai a sanya ido abar Yahudu suna barna a bayan kasa?
Akaramakallah ETML, don Allah don Annabi dai na kula wa'yannan jahilan. Baza su taba yadda da abin da kake fada ba. Wanda yayi nisa baya jin kira. Bata lokacin ka za kayi kurum. Barshi yayi musun sa shi kadai.
It is not surprising though when i saw "Mutumin Daji" Bush commenting shamelessly that israel needed to protect its citizens from the Hamas terrorism. And the stupid Livni (L.A) is roaming the world corners to stupidly airs their unwavering stand on crushing the palestinian state. The Damaguoge Arab leaders are still xpecting the U.S to to any UN resolution.I am in no illusion that any enforceable resolution to halt the offensive is coming from the UN. I However appreciated the efforts of millions of europeana, Africans, Asians who Demonstrated their support for palestinians and accused israel for aggression. I Believe this attack a part from to achieve political relevance by livni and Ehud Barak (L.A) is also in line with their pipe dream for greater israel ( to include all the arab nations including MECCA & MEDINA).
From the media point of view. The western & U.S Bloc ( of the media) intesify efforts to exonarates israel of the Blame for shedding the Blood of innocent civilians. They Know quite well that Hamas are not hiding in the civilian place to lunch rockets, but they wants to force the palestinians to stage opposition to Hamas govt, Hence they chose to hammer GAZZA which is so densely populated so as to have high Number of casuality.
ALLAH yana Gani kuma yana sane, zai kuma d'au mataki.
What i find most unconvincing is that those rockets being fired are the cause for this great offensive.
If Israel with all its military might and sophistication cannot track down where those rockets are being fired upon then all the hullaballoo of it having state of the art military hardware is nothing but propaganda.
Israel is just hiding behind this to complete a mission it started long ago.
What is the difference between what they are doing now and the holocaust? They are simply anhillating gaza. Just yesterday they bombed a UN school which is assumed to be the safest place for refugees. And all the world leaders are watching but no one condemned this act of terrorism.
I weep for the palestineans. Allah ya isa.
PG 25 PLEASE
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israel should finish what it started, if not, this is just the beginning
of a new war without end..........................................................
Dan Borno, Please remove these pics they are so upsetting
Assalamu alaikum,
DB- .
Israel Kirdi tada kiriye
kirdi kura, mana ma ba.
@ Husnaa, is it ok if i reduced the picture to only 1?
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 07, 2009, 06:18:01 PM
Dan Borno, Please remove these pics they are so upsetting
There are more horrifying pictures if you watch Aljazeera. They (Aljazeera) are the only international media that has reporter in Gaza. Wallahi the thing is beyond human comprehension, let alone acceptance. Allah ya isa! Am even thinking of staying mute for the rest of this brutal massacre on boards like this one, wallahi.
Wai saboda tsabar rainin hankali France and Egypt so-called ceasefire call requires IDF to halt in their animal-like offensive for three hours a day. That simple means giving them ample time to refill and restock their tanks, artillery, infantry and other military vehicle they use for their thoughtless, merciless occupation. Kai akwai Allah. Yana nan a madakata.
To hell with Arab League, United Nation, United State, Israel, Egypt and all other involved bodies and countries (I skip mentioning Saudi Arabia because of its being rather sacred). May Allah avenge us, ameen.
Muhsin
It is true Muhsin, most terrifying pictures are on the net and the Aljazeera news. This is another show of selfishness from the western media: count CNN,BBC,SkeyNews,Euronews E.T.C, Didnt find it worthy to cover the event that vividly.
Now we heard that the UN humanitarian aid works cannot continue because of security situation. Despite all evidences that israel is only targetting innocent civilians, tha US and its allis are still insistants that israel is defending itself from terrorism. It is now Time for linguistics to redefine the word "TERRORISM".
How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe
Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state's legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions.
The only way to make sense of Israel's senseless war in Gaza is through understanding the historical context. Establishing the state of Israel in May 1948 involved a monumental injustice to the Palestinians. British officials bitterly resented American partisanship on behalf of the infant state. On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". I used to think that this judgment was too harsh but Israel's vicious assault on the people of Gaza, and the Bush administration's complicity in this assault, have reopened the question.
I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times.
Four decades of Israeli control did incalculable damage to the economy of the Gaza Strip. With a large population of 1948 refugees crammed into a tiny strip of land, with no infrastructure or natural resources, Gaza's prospects were never bright. Gaza, however, is not simply a case of economic under-development but a uniquely cruel case of deliberate de-development. To use the Biblical phrase, Israel turned the people of Gaza into the hewers of wood and the drawers of water, into a source of cheap labour and a captive market for Israeli goods. The development of local industry was actively impeded so as to make it impossible for the Palestinians to end their subordination to Israel and to establish the economic underpinnings essential for real political independence.
Gaza is a classic case of colonial exploitation in the post-colonial era. Jewish settlements in occupied territories are immoral, illegal and an insurmountable obstacle to peace. They are at once the instrument of exploitation and the symbol of the hated occupation. In Gaza, the Jewish settlers numbered only 8,000 in 2005 compared with 1.4 million local residents. Yet the settlers controlled 25% of the territory, 40% of the arable land and the lion's share of the scarce water resources. Cheek by jowl with these foreign intruders, the majority of the local population lived in abject poverty and unimaginable misery. Eighty per cent of them still subsist on less than $2 a day. The living conditions in the strip remain an affront to civilised values, a powerful precipitant to resistance and a fertile breeding ground for political extremism.
In August 2005 a Likud government headed by Ariel Sharon staged a unilateral Israeli pullout from Gaza, withdrawing all 8,000 settlers and destroying the houses and farms they had left behind. Hamas, the Islamic resistance movement, conducted an effective campaign to drive the Israelis out of Gaza. The withdrawal was a humiliation for the Israeli Defence Forces. To the world, Sharon presented the withdrawal from Gaza as a contribution to peace based on a two-state solution. But in the year after, another 12,000 Israelis settled on the West Bank, further reducing the scope for an independent Palestinian state. Land-grabbing and peace-making are simply incompatible. Israel had a choice and it chose land over peace.
The real purpose behind the move was to redraw unilaterally the borders of Greater Israel by incorporating the main settlement blocs on the West Bank to the state of Israel. Withdrawal from Gaza was thus not a prelude to a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority but a prelude to further Zionist expansion on the West Bank. It was a unilateral Israeli move undertaken in what was seen, mistakenly in my view, as an Israeli national interest. Anchored in a fundamental rejection of the Palestinian national identity, the withdrawal from Gaza was part of a long-term effort to deny the Palestinian people any independent political existence on their land.
Israel's settlers were withdrawn but Israeli soldiers continued to control all access to the Gaza Strip by land, sea and air. Gaza was converted overnight into an open-air prison. From this point on, the Israeli air force enjoyed unrestricted freedom to drop bombs, to make sonic booms by flying low and breaking the sound barrier, and to terrorise the hapless inhabitants of this prison.
Israel likes to portray itself as an island of democracy in a sea of authoritarianism. Yet Israel has never in its entire history done anything to promote democracy on the Arab side and has done a great deal to undermine it. Israel has a long history of secret collaboration with reactionary Arab regimes to suppress Palestinian nationalism. Despite all the handicaps, the Palestinian people succeeded in building the only genuine democracy in the Arab world with the possible exception of Lebanon. In January 2006, free and fair elections for the Legislative Council of the Palestinian Authority brought to power a Hamas-led government. Israel, however, refused to recognise the democratically elected government, claiming that Hamas is purely and simply a terrorist organisation.
America and the EU shamelessly joined Israel in ostracising and demonising the Hamas government and in trying to bring it down by withholding tax revenues and foreign aid. A surreal situation thus developed with a significant part of the international community imposing economic sanctions not against the occupier but against the occupied, not against the oppressor but against the oppressed.
As so often in the tragic history of Palestine, the victims were blamed for their own misfortunes. Israel's propaganda machine persistently purveyed the notion that the Palestinians are terrorists, that they reject coexistence with the Jewish state, that their nationalism is little more than antisemitism, that Hamas is just a bunch of religious fanatics and that Islam is incompatible with democracy. But the simple truth is that the Palestinian people are a normal people with normal aspirations. They are no better but they are no worse than any other national group. What they aspire to, above all, is a piece of land to call their own on which to live in freedom and dignity.
Like other radical movements, Hamas began to moderate its political programme following its rise to power. From the ideological rejectionism of its charter, it began to move towards pragmatic accommodation of a two-state solution. In March 2007, Hamas and Fatah formed a national unity government that was ready to negotiate a long-term ceasefire with Israel. Israel, however, refused to negotiate with a government that included Hamas.
It continued to play the old game of divide and rule between rival Palestinian factions. In the late 1980s, Israel had supported the nascent Hamas in order to weaken Fatah, the secular nationalist movement led by Yasser Arafat. Now Israel began to encourage the corrupt and pliant Fatah leaders to overthrow their religious political rivals and recapture power. Aggressive American neoconservatives participated in the sinister plot to instigate a Palestinian civil war. Their meddling was a major factor in the collapse of the national unity government and in driving Hamas to seize power in Gaza in June 2007 to pre-empt a Fatah coup.
The war unleashed by Israel on Gaza on 27 December was the culmination of a series of clashes and confrontations with the Hamas government. In a broader sense, however, it is a war between Israel and the Palestinian people, because the people had elected the party to power. The declared aim of the war is to weaken Hamas and to intensify the pressure until its leaders agree to a new ceasefire on Israel's terms. The undeclared aim is to ensure that the Palestinians in Gaza are seen by the world simply as a humanitarian problem and thus to derail their struggle for independence and statehood.
The timing of the war was determined by political expediency. A general election is scheduled for 10 February and, in the lead-up to the election, all the main contenders are looking for an opportunity to prove their toughness. The army top brass had been champing at the bit to deliver a crushing blow to Hamas in order to remove the stain left on their reputation by the failure of the war against Hezbollah in Lebanon in July 2006. Israel's cynical leaders could also count on apathy and impotence of the pro-western Arab regimes and on blind support from President Bush in the twilight of his term in the White House. Bush readily obliged by putting all the blame for the crisis on Hamas, vetoing proposals at the UN Security Council for an immediate ceasefire and issuing Israel with a free pass to mount a ground invasion of Gaza.
As always, mighty Israel claims to be the victim of Palestinian aggression but the sheer asymmetry of power between the two sides leaves little room for doubt as to who is the real victim. This is indeed a conflict between David and Goliath but the Biblical image has been inverted - a small and defenceless Palestinian David faces a heavily armed, merciless and overbearing Israeli Goliath. The resort to brute military force is accompanied, as always, by the shrill rhetoric of victimhood and a farrago of self-pity overlaid with self-righteousness. In Hebrew this is known as the syndrome of bokhim ve-yorim, "crying and shooting".
To be sure, Hamas is not an entirely innocent party in this conflict. Denied the fruit of its electoral victory and confronted with an unscrupulous adversary, it has resorted to the weapon of the weak - terror. Militants from Hamas and Islamic Jihad kept launching Qassam rocket attacks against Israeli settlements near the border with Gaza until Egypt brokered a six-month ceasefire last June. The damage caused by these primitive rockets is minimal but the psychological impact is immense, prompting the public to demand protection from its government. Under the circumstances, Israel had the right to act in self-defence but its response to the pinpricks of rocket attacks was totally disproportionate. The figures speak for themselves. In the three years after the withdrawal from Gaza, 11 Israelis were killed by rocket fire. On the other hand, in 2005-7 alone, the IDF killed 1,290 Palestinians in Gaza, including 222 children.
Whatever the numbers, killing civilians is wrong. This rule applies to Israel as much as it does to Hamas, but Israel's entire record is one of unbridled and unremitting brutality towards the inhabitants of Gaza. Israel also maintained the blockade of Gaza after the ceasefire came into force which, in the view of the Hamas leaders, amounted to a violation of the agreement. During the ceasefire, Israel prevented any exports from leaving the strip in clear violation of a 2005 accord, leading to a sharp drop in employment opportunities. Officially, 49.1% of the population is unemployed. At the same time, Israel restricted drastically the number of trucks carrying food, fuel, cooking-gas canisters, spare parts for water and sanitation plants, and medical supplies to Gaza. It is difficult to see how starving and freezing the civilians of Gaza could protect the people on the Israeli side of the border. But even if it did, it would still be immoral, a form of collective punishment that is strictly forbidden by international humanitarian law.
The brutality of Israel's soldiers is fully matched by the mendacity of its spokesmen. Eight months before launching the current war on Gaza, Israel established a National Information Directorate. The core messages of this directorate to the media are that Hamas broke the ceasefire agreements; that Israel's objective is the defence of its population; and that Israel's forces are taking the utmost care not to hurt innocent civilians. Israel's spin doctors have been remarkably successful in getting this message across. But, in essence, their propaganda is a pack of lies.
A wide gap separates the reality of Israel's actions from the rhetoric of its spokesmen. It was not Hamas but the IDF that broke the ceasefire. It di d so by a raid into Gaza on 4 November that killed six Hamas men. Israel's objective is not just the defence of its population but the eventual overthrow of the Hamas government in Gaza by turning the people against their rulers. And far from taking care to spare civilians, Israel is guilty of indiscriminate bombing and of a three-year-old blockade that has brought the inhabitants of Gaza, now 1.5 million, to the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe.
The Biblical injunction of an eye for an eye is savage enough. But Israel's insane offensive against Gaza seems to follow the logic of an eye for an eyelash. After eight days of bombing, with a death toll of more than 400 Palestinians and four Israelis, the gung-ho cabinet ordered a land invasion of Gaza the consequences of which are incalculable.
No amount of military escalation can buy Israel immunity from rocket attacks from the military wing of Hamas. Despite all the death and destruction that Israel has inflicted on them, they kept up their resistance and they kept firing their rockets. This is a movement that glorifies victimhood and martyrdom. There is simply no military solution to the conflict between the two communities. The problem with Israel's concept of security is that it denies even the most elementary security to the other community. The only way for Israel to achieve security is not through shooting but through talks with Hamas, which has repeatedly declared its readiness to negotiate a long-term ceasefire with the Jewish state within its pre-1967 borders for 20, 30, or even 50 years. Israel has rejected this offer for the same reason it spurned the Arab League peace plan of 2002, which is still on the table: it involves concessions and compromises.
This brief review of Israel's record over the past four decades makes it difficult to resist the conclusion that it has become a rogue state with "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". A rogue state habitually violates international law, possesses weapons of mass destruction and practises terrorism - the use of violence against civilians for political purposes. Israel fulfils all of these three criteria; the cap fits and it must wear it. Israel's real aim is not peaceful coexistence with its Palestinian neighbours but military domination. It keeps compounding the mistakes of the past with new and more disastrous ones. Politicians, like everyone else, are of course free to repeat the lies and mistakes of the past. But it is not mandatory to do so.
• Avi Shlaim is a professor of international relations at the University of Oxford and the author of The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World and of Lion of Jordan: King Hussein's Life in War and Peace.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
That was quite fair statement by that Prof., auntie Husnaa. Ai dama not only Muslims consider this juggernaut action of Israel as barbarous crime to the humanity, I watch, read and hear it. Only Allah can avenge them but the sitiution is a full-blown crisis to humanity. Wai amma duk da haka, the animals are further saying they are intensifying their reprehensible assult deep into the City of Gaza. Mst!
Allah ya isa!
EMTL,
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Israel is a like thief who sneaked into some body's(Palestine) house took a small portion and every year increases that portion pushing the land owner out of his legitimate property.
Well, as long as we're using crude oversimplifications, here's my suggestion: Israel is like a clever usurper, and the Palestinians are like clueless victims. We'll come back to this in due time.
QuoteYou fail to emanciapte yourself with fact that Israel has stubbornly refused the supply of all medicine, food, etc., into Palestine for two years into Gaza and withholds Palestine wealth simply because a legitimate government led by Hamas was elected democratically- before this period were rockets being fired into Israel?
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Actually I am well aware of Israel's suffocating blockade of the Gaza Strip - and before that, the international sanctions placed on the Hamas-led Palestinian govt in 2006. I also know that this was a reaction to Hamas' non-recognition of Israel and commitment to its destruction, as enshrined in its charter. When later Hamas seized control of the Gaza strip, sanctions were eased on the West Bank, but the Gaza blockade was tightened even further, as it remains to this day. Now unless you are new to Middle Eastern politics, this eventuality should not be a surprise to you. Did you really expect Israel and its allies to grant any favors to a government that is fanatically devoted to Israel's destruction? Likewise, Israel's recent response to Hamas' rocket-fire ought to have been entirely predictable. This leaves us with questions over the purpose and effectiveness of Hamas' strategy in dealing with Israel. Is it capable of destroying Israel with rocket fire? If not, then what exactly do theyy seek to gain by pursuing their military strategy?
QuoteHow could these poor people survive these hardship?
Yes they are in pitiful shape, but who is primarily responsible for their security and well-being? Is it not their
democratically elected govt, the Hamas? How does provoking Israel into characteristic brutality line up with the Hamas' obligations to its people?
QuoteWhen One Jew is killed it becomes a Breaking news but no body cares when 20-100 Palestinians are mercilessly killed such news is reported casually. Matsiyata ... saura kadan su boye bayan dutse ditsenma ya fallashesu.
UNITED NATTIONS AND THE WEST HYPOCRISY:
1. Israel gets its supply of weapons from USA,
2. The United Nations has passed many kangaroo resulutions against Israel's aggression and Terrorism- Israel and its child USA have never respected these resolutions.
Are you serious? I can barely watch the news these days without being bombarded with stories of rising casualty figures and scenes of mayhem in Gaza, as well as condemnation of Israel pouring from all corners of the globe, apparently including Kano! I don't recall such coverage when Hamas ceremoniously announced the end of the ceasefire and intensified its rocket launches. If anyone at all is playing the propanganda game to good effect, it certainly is not Israel - case in point, Dan Borno's graphic pictures. Your comments like many others on this thread are purely emotional outbursts that have no connection with reality. And here is where Palestinian and Arab leaders has failed woefully over the years; in coming to grips with the cold reality of Israel.
This might be hard for you to believe, but I hold no personal brief for Israel. I find it quite easy to empathize with the plight of the Palestinian people post-1948. We can sit here crying about the bitter injustice of their situation but when the tears have dried up we must behold the grim specter of a strong Israel, an economic and military powerhouse that must be reckoned with on that basis. Until Palestinian and Arab leaders come up with strategies based on this reality rather than purely on popular rhetoric, ideological fantasies or fear-mongering tactics as typified by
Lawwali's "Greater Israel" claptrap, ordinary Palestinians will continue to be clueless and helpless victims.
The reality also is that although Hamas enjoys popular support in the Middle East, many Arab governments view it with great suspicion. This explains why many Arab nations have been loathe to offering any real support apart from condemning Israel. Egypt, infact, joined Israel in blockading the Gaza Strip after Hamas took over in 2007. For its part, Hamas has played the PR game well enough. But it will have to come up with ways to get around the the blockade or make concessions to Israel if it wishses to provide any lasting relief for Gaza. As long as Hamas in its present form remains in control of Gaza, they will remain in isolation. And I dareseay, EMTL, that Hamas' primary duty is to ensure the well-being of its people, and not convert them into glorious martyrs for an impossible cause.
The professor represents the views of very many Jews around the world including very many Jews in Israel itself. Do not blame all Jews for the evil behaviour of the state of Israel.
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on January 11, 2009, 08:32:04 PM
The professor represents the views of very many Jews around the world including very many Jews in Israel itself. Do not blame all Jews for the evil behaviour of the state of Israel.
In the specific context of this conflict, the overwhelming majority of Israelis supports their govt's actions - or so the polls tell us.
Avi Shlaim makes some valid points about Israel's culpability in the present Gazan mess, though I must say that, based on the evidence of this article, he isn't much more than the ideological opposite of Alan Dershowitz ;D. Indeed, Israel must accept the reality of thw two-state solution, and the ultimate demise of settlements in the occupied territories. Israel must also recognize that its policy of isolation with the Hamas has not quite yielded any dividends as of yet. And as Shlaim rightly points out, it was always doubtful that military action in itself would stem the tide of Qassam rockets from the Strip. Indeed we all know this will end, but as someone said, the variable is the number of innocents that will die.
@Cekenah,
I thoroughly read your responses to EMTL and Dave. And I come to one single conclusion as; all the blames should be heaped to Hamas. Furthermore, they are the cause of all the hardship, which is the worst in history of Middle East, the Gazans are facing. That just a heresay, if I may call it. Or an incredolous lie.
As you claim yourself to be; vastly knowlegeable on that long lasting crisis. Can't you remember just recently there was cease fire aggrement between Hamas and the barbaric Israel before the eruption of this ongoing war? Who broke it? Israel, ofcourse. They murderously killed 6 innocent Palestinians. What followed that? Hamas started lucning fire rockets to Israel town, i.e after been provoked by Israel. And then the juggernaut started this merciless massacre.
I heard on BBC an interview with one of Hamas leaders. He very courageosly although pitifully said "what the rest of the world are they expecting us to do? Wave white flag or fold our arms while the barbarous IDF continue with their bombardement"? They have to respond even it means an end to their breath. I support that. Israel claim protecting its ciotizen by 'trying' all they could to stop rocket and Hamas is also aptly right to protect the citizens of Gaza, i think. And remeber who first ignite the flame? Thus who is to rightly be blamed?
Lets be realistic and tell truth. As Jesus says; "it will save you".
Muhsin
You are correct, Mushin.
Hamas is a reaction to the evil policy of Israel.
It is like somebody beats you very severely then blames you if you decide to defend yourself.
Despite the efforts of Israel and the disgusting support it gets from the US most of the world is not fooled. The more Israel bombs Gaza the stronger Hamas will become.
Many Jews recognise this but most Jews in Israel are probably too close to the violence and too influenced by propaganda from their Government to see the truth.
It is hoped that Obama will change US policy but the signs are not hopeful.
Here with go again...
Interesting comments from Cekenah; for the most part well-balanced in my opinion. These discussions often do not go anywhere because most people prefer to heap blame on one side based on personal bias and barely pay attention to the immediate facts; let alone analyzing them objectively. It is extremely naive to suggest, as many are doing here, that everything will be cool if Israel would just quit its evil ways. Nor is it reasonable to suggest, as I would probably be accused of doing by Kano-online ;D - that Hamas and terrorists like them are the sole enemies of peace. Neither rocket fire nor disproportionate military retaliation will bring either side any real gains. I mean, we all know that eventually, after a while a new cease-fire agreement will will be negotiated. What then will be the big difference b/w that time and pre-December 27 apart from the fact that 1000+ Palestinians are now dead? ???
As for those of you who think Obama will support your side of the story...well, Obama visited Sderot in southern Israel last year and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoj-PKJhck
Thoughtful post, Lionger
The difference, when all this is finished, will be that the Palestinians and the whole of the rest of the Middle East will hate Israel even more, Hamas will recruit thousands more at the expense of the more moderate Fatah, it will only be a matter of time till Hamas starts to fight back again - which will give Israel the excuse it is looking for to attack Gaza again and try to drive the Palestinians into the sea which was the avowed aim of the Zionists when Israel was founded, on land seized from innocent Palestinians, and I very much doubt if the US will do anything just or fair or moral about it.
Quote from: lionger on January 12, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
Here with go again...
Interesting comments from Cekenah; for the most part well-balanced in my opinion. These discussions often do not go anywhere because most people prefer to heap blame on one side based on personal bias and barely pay attention to the immediate facts; let alone analyzing them objectively. It is extremely naive to suggest, as many are doing here, that everything will be cool if Israel would just quit its evil ways. Nor is it reasonable to suggest, as I would probably be accused of doing by Kano-online ;D - that Hamas and terrorists like them are the sole enemies of peace. Neither rocket fire nor disproportionate military retaliation will bring either side any real gains.
Rubbish. Blatant propaganda. Utterly biased post.
Quote from: lionger on January 12, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
As for those of you who think Obama will support your side of the story...well, Obama visited Sderot in southern Israel last year and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoj-PKJhck
You quite misuderstood me. I vented my venom because I was thinking he rather toyed with out talents by saying there shouldn't be two voices--his and Bush's. I very well know he has been speeking on many other issues nd why not this one, then? He spoke on Mumbai attacks, Iraq, Afghanistan to mention but few. But that was before Husnaa explained it.
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on January 12, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
Thoughtful post, Lionger
The difference, when all this is finished, will be that the Palestinians and the whole of the rest of the Middle East will hate Israel even more, Hamas will recruit thousands more at the expense of the more moderate Fatah, it will only be a matter of time till Hamas starts to fight back again - which will give Israel the excuse it is looking for to attack Gaza again and try to drive the Palestinians into the sea which was the avowed aim of the Zionists when Israel was founded, on land seized from innocent Palestinians, and I very much doubt if the US will do anything just or fair or moral about it.
Very reasonable. You are more fair than your friend, Dave.
BTW, the pigs are currently using white phosporous as smook screen. And that has devastating effect to human boby--Palestinians civilians. And moreso, using it is against world humanitarian... Dama only su and their strong cursed allied ever used it at war in recent years. US in Fallujah and the IDF in Labanon. May God punish the culprit, amin.
Quote from: Muhsin on January 12, 2009, 11:25:57 AM
@Cekenah,
I thoroughly read your responses to EMTL and Dave.
We shall see if that was truly the case.
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And I come to one single conclusion as; all the blames should be heaped to Hamas. Furthermore, they are the cause of all the hardship, which is the worst in history of Middle East, the Gazans are facing. That just a heresay, if I may call it. Or an incredolous lie.
In other words, you clearly did not read my post thoroughly enough. I apportioned blame to Israel in my response to Dave, at the very least.
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As you claim yourself to be; vastly knowlegeable on that long lasting crisis.
When did I make such a claim?
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Can't you remember just recently there was cease fire aggrement between Hamas and the barbaric Israel before the eruption of this ongoing war? Who broke it? Israel, ofcourse.
Actually both sides occasionally violated the truce during its tenure. The rocket fire from Gaza decreased but never actually ceased, while Israel did not completely open its borders and later made military incursions into Gaza.
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They murderously killed 6 innocent Palestinians. What followed that? Hamas started lucning fire rockets to Israel town, i.e after been provoked by Israel. And then the juggernaut started this merciless massacre.
Er, those Palestinians you speak of weren't so 'innocent'. Apparently they were Hamas militants attempting to build tunnels across the Israel-Gaza border.
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I heard on BBC an interview with one of Hamas leaders. He very courageosly although pitifully said "what the rest of the world are they expecting us to do? Wave white flag or fold our arms while the barbarous IDF continue with their bombardement"? They have to respond even it means an end to their breath. I support that. Israel claim protecting its ciotizen by 'trying' all they could to stop rocket and Hamas is also aptly right to protect the citizens of Gaza, i think. And remeber who first ignite the flame? Thus who is to rightly be blamed?
Muhsin, in mid-Decenber both sides expressed a readiness to extend the cease-fire but did not agree to terms. On December 20, Hamas announced that the cease-fire was over and intensified its rocket-fire into southern Israel, while blaming Israel for the end of the cease-fire. A week later Israel responded with 'disproportionate' force and the rest is current news.
QuoteLets be realistic and tell truth. As Jesus says; "it will save you".
;D Um, I think the 'truth' that Jesus was talking about there was his teaching, which includes his identity as God. Do you believe in Jesus as Savior and Lord? If not, then you're stealing my line kid. ;D
Well, Mr Cekenah, its interesting reading your reply. Can't say why but yes it's. ;D
Although I lack such enough time to be quoting, quoting your post, answering everything you said now, I'd like to give you some few answers in a form I call all-in-one.
Reagrding who first broke the recent ceasefire aggrement, simply follow that link; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008
And concerning the 'place' of Jesus in my mind/heart; he is a messenger of Allah and NOT god. So our Qur'an says. Period!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfhoU66s4Y
Song for Gaza
dat is dat but i tell u muslims around da world need to open their eyez............. :(
Quote from: Muhsin on December 30, 2008, 01:21:16 PM
Innalillahi wa'inna ilaihi raaji'uun!
I had decided not a utter a word on that carnage perpetuated by these merciless blokes--May Allah curse then severely and break their backs, amin. It was unbearable! I am out of words, wallahi. Jews? What a bunch of idiots, thugs, whatsover. Allah ya isa!
@thegood,
you have really said it all. They thoughtlessly take it as there would not be hereafter, no! As the Qur'an says; Allah will surely reincarnate them. And surely will be accounted for their (mis)deeds. Allah yasa mu cika da imani.
Yet, I frankly speaking heap some blames on these Hamas people by firing the less-destructive rockets to the Jews territories. Although there own (originally) but now Israeles. Had it been these attacks could have a significant effect then fine and good. But now look at the response? For God's sake wa aka cuta? Even French president who is behind Isra'el says the response they are making is 'disproportional one'.
May Allah in His infinite mercy forgive those killed at that massacre. May He accept their shahada and put them in Al-jannah, amin. And may He on other part curse the Jews and put them in hell fire, amin.
Up Islam! Down any 'other' belief!
INNA LILLAHI WA'INNA ILAIHIL RAJU'UN!! :'( ...... If we refused to see it who will?, It been put out for a reason u know, take a look:- http://gazanews.wordpress.com/photos
What reasons could it be that can justified such atrocities?.... No Hamas army but innocent kids and defenseless people.......:'(
And yet some people have gut to point finger at the suffering and weaponless Palestinians,, ALLAHU AKBAR!!
Salam,
The thing is utterly beyond me all in all, my people. Hence, I will never, inshaAllah, say another word here.
My final prayer; may Allah end the ongoing carnage and punish the culprit, amin.
Quote from: Muhsin on January 14, 2009, 01:22:23 PM
Salam,
The thing is utterly beyond me all in all, my people. Hence, I will never, inshaAllah, say another word here.
My final prayer; may Allah end the ongoing carnage and punish the culprit, amin.
Amin Summa amin.
I think wannan shine abinda kawai yakamata muyi.
Subhanallahi!!!
Muhsin am with you its truely and utterly beyond me too,
its soooooo sad wallahi, but our prayers need to be said
at all times, inshaAllah that day will come.
:( :( :(
Look, you people should get real. God will not punish, destroy, or as EMTL prayed for, break the necks of Israelis. What sort demented prayer is that? Both sides in this conflict have shortcomings and are both guilty of violence. I am surprised at how appalled many of you are when it is the Palestinians on the recieveing end of this totally avoidable conflict. I wonder where your sudden empathy and human conscience is when Muslims in Nigeria take to the street unprovoked and kill hundreds of innocent non muslims. I think it is hypocritical of you Muslims in Nigeria to be so outraged about what's happening thousands of miles away from you between two people that are neither Africans nor Nigerians, yet you never once work up a frenzy when one group of Nigerians from the North go on killing missions against their fellow citizens. What that says to me, is that there is something seriously wrong with that type of mentality.
They say Charity begins at home. For Nigerian Muslims, charity begin everywhere else but home. If you people cannot put an end to the religious fanatism and insanity that accompanies it in your backyard, what moral justification do you have to point fingers at Israel? Israel at least goes to war with people seeking her destructon. Northern Muslims are not merginalised, they are not isolated, they are not blocked into a corner, they are not deprived of anything, they hold all the significant positions of power in the country, yet, they are wage senseless violence against people from the same country as them.
Enough of the hypocricy and empty rhetoric. All the doom many of you wish on Israel has never come to fruition. It's all talk. At the end of the day, people will die on both sides of this conflict, and a temporary ceasefire will prevail.
Assalamu alaikum,
Below is a collection of some speeches made by leaders of Israel:
1. "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
- David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
2. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." - Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
3. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out'" - Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
4. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."- Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
5. "A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing." -Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923.
6. "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." - Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem"
7. "Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence." - Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist organizations), Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish People or Jewish Problem).
8. "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" - David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
9. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
- Take the land of innocent shepherds and farmers
- Destroy them and deport them abroad
- Grab and colonize their land
- Take their water ressources and pollute the rest
- Decrete they are from a lower race
- Park them into bantoustans fit for animals
- Refuse their legitimate right of return
- Give this right permanently to only one race
- Turn their church and mosque into bars
- Grant them one single right: suffer in silence
- Turn their very dignity and life into a misery
Who is then a Terrorist?!!!
Quote from: usman11 on January 15, 2009, 12:04:11 AM
Look, you people should get real. God will not punish, destroy, or as EMTL prayed for, break the necks of Israelis. What sort demented prayer is that? Both sides in this conflict have shortcomings and are both guilty of violence. I am surprised at how appalled many of you are when it is the Palestinians on the recieveing end of this totally avoidable conflict. I wonder where your sudden empathy and human conscience is when Muslims in Nigeria take to the street unprovoked and kill hundreds of innocent non muslims. I think it is hypocritical of you Muslims in Nigeria to be so outraged about what's happening thousands of miles away from you between two people that are neither Africans nor Nigerians, yet you never once work up a frenzy when one group of Nigerians from the North go on killing missions against their fellow citizens. What that says to me, is that there is something seriously wrong with that type of mentality.
They say Charity begins at home. For Nigerian Muslims, charity begin everywhere else but home. If you people cannot put an end to the religious fanatism and insanity that accompanies it in your backyard, what moral justification do you have to point fingers at Israel? Israel at least goes to war with people seeking her destructon. Northern Muslims are not merginalised, they are not isolated, they are not blocked into a corner, they are not deprived of anything, they hold all the significant positions of power in the country, yet, they are wage senseless violence against people from the same country as them.
Enough of the hypocricy and empty rhetoric. All the doom many of you wish on Israel has never come to fruition. It's all talk. At the end of the day, people will die on both sides of this conflict, and a temporary ceasefire will prevail.
Who the frigging hell are you? I don't know which word would best decribe you; dunce or dense? I wish I hadn't said I won't say another word here. Bold brat! Get your ass out of this forum or else we certainly will deal with your brainless baldy head. Stupid ideot!
Quote from: Muhsin on January 15, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Who the frigging hell are you? I don't know which word would best decribe you; dunce or dense? I wish I hadn't said I won't say another word here. Bold brat! Get your ass out of this forum or else we certainly will deal with your brainless baldy head. Stupid ideot!
Muhsin,
You are out of order. Your wild insults won't do any good here other than getting this thread locked. I understand that this is an emotional issue for you; however if you cannot respond coherently (as I shall soon attempt) then it would be better for you to adher to your previous promise and not say anything at all.
Muhsin,
Maybe you need to take classes in civility and anger management. You seem to lack both. This makes my point exactly. Rather than address or refute my comments, you exploded in an most uncivil outburst as if anything I said is false. I'll tell you again, before many of you rip yourselves apart with emotion, ask yourselves this question....What moral justification do you have to condemn Israel in their ongoing war with Hammas when your own people routinely carry out far worse atrocities against others without any consequence? What Northern Muslims have done to other Nigerians of non northern and Muslim origin, meets and exceeds the definition of war crime. What would you call an unprovoked attack where innocent people are decapitated and left on the street? What would you call setting people ablaze (women and Children), yet they do not hold themselves to account. The usually Muslim dominated government has never once held the genocidal maniacs to account because they silently endorse terror.
Just a few weeks ago in Jos, the same madness occured over an election result. The Muslim candidate lost an election to a non Muslim opponent. The Muslims alledged election malpractise and rejected the results. Rather than do the democratic thing (which is their right, and I support their right) by demanding a recount from the electoral commission, they employed violence. They went on their usual killing spree, and got more than they bargained for this time around. Now, I understand they are playing the victim card by filing a human rights violation case at the World Court in the Hague. This is typical of the dubious characteristic of these pro-violence folks.
Jesus whom you regard as a Messenger of allah, advices you to remove the log of wood in your eyes so you can have unimpaired vision to see the speck in someone else's eyes. What this means in essence is that you should reform your own conduct first before pointing fingers of condemnation at others engaging in behavior that you are equally culpable of. That's a very wise and divine message I would say, wouldn't you?
Who the frigging hell am I? Well I am Usman11. Didn't you see my name? Or is that log of wood in your eyes obstructing your vision?
News right from inside Gaza!!!..... Take time and look round..
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usman_11
Your first post is unnecessarity provocative, and I am not really surprised at Muhsin's response. Your borderline blanket characterization of all Nigerian muslims is not constructive, and I'm not sure that your accusation of hypocrisy has much merit. I don't know how much time you have spent on this forum since our last discussion in 2005, but I vaguely remember that the last time sectarian violence flared up in the North, most responders condemned the violence without restraint. My understanding of the Jos debacle is that it was actually an ANPP/PDP conflict that later degenerated predictably into sectarian violence. In any case, you know that Palestine is an emotional issue for most muslims, so if you actually wish to engage them it would be better to leave out provocative blanket characterizations.
The Muslims on this thread are not hypocrites; however I will say this. The grassroots activity and donation drives among some Muslims as evidenced on this site, and which I have also observed among the Muslim community where I am is commendable. Frankly we should all be willing to do what we can to alleviate the suffering in Gaza, regardless of our religious affiliation. My only grouse is that I did/have not seen such Muslim initiative for places like Darfur, where far, far more Muslims have died in the past 4-5 years. Indeed, when Darfur was discussed here it was plain that many were ill-informed of the situation; and others obstinately resorted to siege mentality and interpreted criticism of Sudan as propaganda against an Islamic country. I have long suspected that when issues like this come up some are disposed to responding in what they feel is a show of solidarity withe Muslim brethren; regardless of the facts. Very unfortunate!
Quote from: Muhsin on January 15, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Who the frigging hell are you? I don't know which word would best decribe you; dunce or dense? I wish I hadn't said I won't say another word here. Bold brat! Get your ass out of this forum or else we certainly will deal with your brainless baldy head. Stupid ideot!
Haba Muhsin, i thought we are in a discussion forum where everyone
is expected to lay down his facts but not resorting to calling names
which will eventually lead to break down of the forum's rules and
regulations. If you want others to understand your point, you should
talk to them in a manner they will understand you very well.
this forum is unlike other forums where at the slightest of difference
they resort to calling names - this is not good, especially as you are
an aspiring writer, your opinion is your opinion and you cannnot impose
that on other people.
just air your view, your readers will judge you.
kuma ai muma we have our own problems here in naija that requires
serious attention, you heard it on NTA and ask anybody from Zaria
what happened between sunni and shiite, if not of the quick intervention
we would have witnessed another in-house crisis - wannan ma ai ya
ishe mu mu kimtsa kan mu.
to my christian friends in this forum, we need to embrace the spirit of
dialogue and good understanding of ourselves, both religions have their
own in-house problems - what happened in Jos has happened, for us
to aportion blames at this hour shows our weakness and immaturity.
both christian and muslims have lost lives and property - you cannot
separate christians from muslims and muslims from christians - then
how do we avert this ugly incident - this is what i expect us to talk of
but not pointing fingers.
let us respect each others religion and custom, we shouldnt look down
upon anyone no matter what he accept as god, nor his culture, if we
do this, we are solving nigeria's 75% problem.
i therefore command order in the house.
I guessed Usman11 Reappeared after long 4 years to launched his own home made missiles and cluster bombs on k/onliners and northern nigerian muslims...... You must really been chafed...!
Lionger, I don't think I refered to all Muslims in this forum as hypocrites. I used the word hypocrisy in describing the empathy showered on Palestinians, but the lack of such concern when their own fellow citizens in Nigeria are dealt similar if not worse treatment like the Palestinians are recieving. You even recalled how no one blinked over the genocidal conditions in Darfur which is close by. Regardless of sensitivity, what word then should I use in describing this extreme show of allegiance to the Palestinian plight, but complete non-chalance when such conditions fester close to home or at home? Sorry, Hypocrisy is the perfect word, and if you want to be candid rather than sensitive, the word is applied appropriately.
The idea that the Jos incident started out as one thing, but degenerated into something else is an argument that most people have heard over and over, and people are tired of hearing it. Why did it have to go that route? Could this 'difference of opinion' not have been resolved legally without bloodshed? What lacks merit here is not my use of 'offensive' words, but your rationalisation of repeat violence that draws no consequence.
Ok, many folks here condemned the last riot....so what? What followed that half hearted condemnation? What appropriate legal action was brought to bare on the perpetrators? On previous incidents, what consequence was meted out to the culprits?
Mr. "Myself" is so quick to recall that I last visited this site 4 years ago. His/her recollected is splendid. Well, ask him or her, how many deaths were recorded in this recent Jos clash?
Assalamu alaikum,
..... What Hitler says,
" I could have annihilated all the Jews in the world, but I left some of them so you will know why I was killing them." Adolf Hitler; Mien Kampf.
In Suratul Fatiha of the Glorious Qur'an Allah (SWT) taught the Muslims to pray:
"Guide us ( O' Allah!) onto Your rightous path. The path of those whom You have favoured (Believers) NOT the Path of those who went astray (Christians) or those who earned your Anger (Jews)."
Quote from: EMTL on January 16, 2009, 09:51:52 AM
Assalamu alaikum,
..... What Hitler says,
" I could have annihilated all the Jews in the world, but I left some of them so you will know why I was killing them." Adolf Hitler; Mien Kampf.
In Suratul Fatiha of the Glorious Qur'an Allah (SWT) taught the Muslims to pray:
"Guide us ( O' Allah!) onto Your rightous path. The path of those whom You have favoured (Believers) NOT the Path of those who went astray (Christians) or those who earned your Anger (Jews)."
Oh Bull to Hitler for such pomposity! He could never kill all the Jews of this world just as Israel can never annihilate all the Palestinians of this world, try as she might, bcos everyone's destiny is already laid out and no human has the power to change the destiny of another human being. I should have thought that the Israeli government should have been the first to know of this from Jewish encounters with Hitler.
Anyway what goes round comes round, and there is a time for everything.
Quote from: EMTL on January 16, 2009, 09:51:52 AM
Assalamu alaikum,
..... What Hitler says,
" I could have annihilated all the Jews in the world, but I left some of them so you will know why I was killing them." Adolf Hitler; Mien Kampf.
In Suratul Fatiha of the Glorious Qur'an Allah (SWT) taught the Muslims to pray:
"Guide us ( O' Allah!) onto Your rightous path. The path of those whom You have favoured (Believers) NOT the Path of those who went astray (Christians) or those who earned your Anger (Jews)."
Haba EMTL, that Hitler quote of yours is obviously garbage. I mean, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf long before he even came to power!
Quote from: lionger on January 16, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: EMTL on January 16, 2009, 09:51:52 AM
Assalamu alaikum,
..... What Hitler says,
" I could have annihilated all the Jews in the world, but I left some of them so you will know why I was killing them." Adolf Hitler; Mien Kampf.
In Suratul Fatiha of the Glorious Qur'an Allah (SWT) taught the Muslims to pray:
"Guide us ( O' Allah!) onto Your rightous path. The path of those whom You have favoured (Believers) NOT the Path of those who went astray (Christians) or those who earned your Anger (Jews)."
Haba EMTL, that Hitler quote of yours is obviously garbage. I mean, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf long before he even came to power!
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He might have put in a post script Lionger.. a kind of epilogue for eternity ;D ;D
I'm sure Hitler never made such a quote and particularly not in " Mein Kampf".
He had the same attitude to coloured people as he had for Jews but, fortunately,there was very few coloured people in Germany in Hitler's day. The Nazi Party, formed by Hitler and some others, was dedicated to the promotion of a white master race.
Assalamu alaikum,
Very interesting......US and Israel: Who controls whom?
Ehud Olmert really doesn't care any more. He is serving out his time as Israel's prime minister until next month's election, but then he will spend a long time fighting the corruption charges that forced him to resign, and he won't be going back into politics afterward even if he wins. Not after two bloody, futile wars in three years, he won't. So he's very angry, and he tells it like it is.
On Thursday, Jan. 8, he had a problem. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was going to vote for a United Nations Security Council resolution that called on both Israel and its Palestinian enemy, Hamas, to accept a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip. Indeed, she had been largely responsible for writing it, and Olmert was furious. He wanted more time to hammer Hamas, so he phoned up George W. Bush and yanked on his choke-chain.
According to Olmert's account of what happened, given in a speech on Jan. 13 in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon, "I said, 'Get me President Bush on the phone'. They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said, 'I don't care: I have to talk to him now'. They got him off the podium, brought him to another room, and I spoke to him."
"I told him, 'You can't vote in favor of this resolution.' He said, 'Listen, I don't know about it. I didn't see it. I'm not familiar with the phrasing'." So Prime Minister Olmert told President Bush: "I'm familiar with it. You can't vote in favor." Bush did as he was told: "Mr. Bush gave an order to Secretary of State Rice and she did not vote in favor of it — a resolution she cooked up, phrased, organized, and maneuvred for," said Olmert triumphantly. "She was left pretty shamed, and abstained on a resolution she arranged." The Security Council passed the resolution 14-0, but the United States, its principal author, abstained.
Senior Israeli politicians are usually much more circumspect about the nature of their relationship with the occupants of the White House, and Olmert's colleagues were appalled that his anger had led him to speak so plainly. It is one thing to talk to the president of the United States that way. It is quite another thing to reveal to the American public that Israeli leaders talk to US presidents in that tone of voice.
The Bush administration, deeply embarrassed, tried to deny Olmert's account of the conversation. The State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, said that the story was "just 100 percent, totally, completely not true," and the White House deputy press secretary, Tony Fratto, said more cautiously that "there are inaccuracies" in Olmert's account of events. Olmert's office replied curtly that "the prime minister's comments on Monday were a correct account of what took place." He really doesn't give a damn any more.
There is little reason to doubt Olmert's story: He may be extremely cross, but why would he make it up? After all, he did get his way. And there is every reason to doubt the Bush administration's denials. Not only does the story humiliate Bush personally, but it gives wings to the suspicion, already widespread in the United States, that under Bush, the Israeli tail has consistently wagged the American dog.
Merely to mention this issue is still to court accusations of anti-Semitism, but the fear of such accusations that once silenced any serious examination of Israeli influence on American foreign policy has dwindled in the past few years. Indeed, Olmert's little indiscretion has opened up a wider question: Is it normal for Israeli leaders to speak to American presidents like this?
There can be little doubt that Ariel Sharon, Olmert's predecessor, also spoke to Bush in a bullying way, because he bullied everybody. Did Benjamin Netanyahu give orders to Bill Clinton? Probably not, because silken menace is more his style, but he certainly got his way almost all of the time. Did Yitzhak Shamir talk to George H.W. Bush that way? He wouldn't have dreamt of it, and the senior Bush would never have stood for it.
These discussions usually end up being about the alleged power of the "Jewish lobby" over US foreign policy, and in Congress it is obviously huge. The vast majority of the members of Congress will always vote for bills that involve aid or support for Israel, in many cases because they know what will happen at the next election to those who don't. But the key foreign policy decisions are made in the White House, not in Congress, and the presidency is different.
At the top, it really depends on who the president is. Ronald Reagan always gave Israel everything it wanted, whereas Bush Sr. forced Shamir to start talking to the Palestinians after the first Gulf War and paved the way for the Oslo accords and the "peace process." The United States is still a sovereign country, and it can choose its own Middle East policy if it wishes. Which way will it go under the new administration? Well, can you imagine Barack Obama letting an Israeli prime minister talk to him like that?
Greetings,
Hmm...wonder never end. Why all the uproar? That tells me; had it been I left his balatant accusation that:
QuoteI think it is hypocritical of you Muslims in Nigeria to be so outraged about what's happening thousands of miles away from you between two people that are neither Africans nor Nigerians, yet you never once work up a frenzy when one group of Nigerians from the North go on killing missions against their fellow citizens. What that says to me, is that there is something seriously wrong with that type of mentality.
No body would raised an eye brow, right? Why? Because we are ofcourse ignorant or rather afraid of him, huh?
Though he rather apologetically expatiated on that by saying:
Quote from: usman11 on January 15, 2009, 08:45:06 PM
Lionger, I don't think I refered to all Muslims in this forum as hypocrites. I used the word hypocrisy in describing the empathy showered on Palestinians, but the lack of such concern when their own fellow citizens in Nigeria are dealt similar if not worse treatment like the Palestinians are recieving.
That was very fair of him, wasn't it?
Amma people like
Lionger, and surprisingly enough
DB came up saying this and that. Didn't his reply called for my 'response in kind'?
From above, its evidently enough that my action is justifiable. It wasn't about the terrorised beleaguered people of Palestines, as put
Lionger. Although its definitely connected to it, either I do believe or not. I've been for the past 22 days of the juggernaut Pigs ruthless offensive on Gaza discussing that same issue on many discussion fora. Kai in more fierced manner than this one. But none among them I ever even insulted and none did so to me or any other member.
Stay blessed, my good people.
Muhsin
Cool down, bros Muhsin. Let bygons be bygons mana.
Israel ceased-fire unilitarily but I doubt if Hamas would honour this because some terms are too critical upon them.
LOL ;D G'Fella. It has ended.
On the cease-fire news; Hamas warned that a ceasefire declared by oneside--Israel, is not a ceasefire. Israel went to war on a situation they created (by breaking the previous ceasefire by cold-blooding killing of 6 innocent Palestinians). Hamas is prepared to fight on.
More so, Israel does not gain any moral justification by their ceasefire until it is made concrete by withdrawal and allowing Gaza to operate as a free state (not a vassal). If they want to gain some moral Kudos, they must make full raparations for the damage to the infrastucture and families and social communications network that they have destroyed. Otherwise, black can never be painted white.
I can only say that the reaction of the Israelis to Hamas rockets, is disproportionate. Are the Jews not humane people? True, I have not seen one copse on tv that is identified as that of an Hamas fighter.
Usman11, you better know that the Israelis you want to defend are not, and have never been religious! They only believe in their book of jewish doctrine, The TALMUD! Know also, that Nigerian muslims and christians fight only in places where muslims are in minority, that is when some of their rights are infringed upon. It only spreads occassionally to places like Kano, as a retaliation for the christians massacre of muslims where they live as minority, like in Jos. That is the truth, and that is why religious crisis mostly occur in Kaduna and Jos.
As a nation, I believe, forgetting our religious differences and working in the best interest of the nation, has no alternative.
Jews are a humane people also. We must never forget that many of the prophets known to us were Jewish. Likewise their descendants are alive today, although only God Knows who they are and many of them must be good ppl, simply by virtue of their ancestry. Many ordinary Jewish ppl especially those living in Israel today are peace loving ppl. However, like any other race, there are the unscrupulous among them, and the unscrupulous are the ones that usually use might to get what they want and the more pacifist among the human race just stand aside and let things be. The Jewish ppl are no different. Its the most unscrupulous of them that are in government today and at the centre of financial institutions and any sphere of life where power is acquired and wielded mercilessly. Likewise many of today's world leaders are unscrupulous, otherwise there wont be men like Gordon Brown who stands in front of a grinning Ohlmert and declares that Hamas must stop rocket attacks into Israel quite conveniently ignoring the fact that Israel throws sledge hammers at Palestians when the Palestians throw paper clips at Israel. Lets not forget our own unscrupulous set of leaders in Africa be they rebels, legitimate or illegitimate officers. Many many got to where they are through unscrupulous means for selfish purposes the end results of which are that the African masses suffer.
Let us hope that the common Israeli ppl realize that the only way to peace is through dialogue and giving the Palestianians their due rights to exist. Let us hope that the realization leads them to choose leaders who will resonate their wishes and make them a reality.
I still ask if the jews are humane?. Yes, of course not all of them could be inhuman. With what I saw on tv and read in the newspapers, the Jews of Israel have committed a great, if not the greatest heinous and wicked acts agaisnt fellow human beings. By any standards, for goodness sake, how can one stand the sight of his little son or daughter being shot at point blank? How can one stand the sight of his daughter being dragged away to be raped repeatedly until she died? How can one justify an attack on mosques by bombs? These dastardly acts were used only by the the wicked and inauspicious Israelis against the Gaza residents. The recalcitrant Israelis are behaving so arrogantly, as if they owned the world and its contents and can therefore do as it pleases them. I still do not believe that they are fighting a just war.
So what if almost all the Prophets of God came from among them? Have displayed any belief in the words of the Almighty? How religious have they been? Why have almost all developed nations of the world booted them out? Why do they believe in their scripture, Talmud, where it is says the property of non jews can be owned by jews, among so many unequitble provisions? The whole world has failed in protecting the civilians of Gaza!
LOL ;D Husnaa and Waduz.
I think Jews are human, although majority of them act inhumanely many at times. Just like during the recent genocide of Gazans. What I simply come to understanding is; historically, the schism, if I may call it, aversion and hostility between Muslims and Jews is long and ever lasting. It can only be reduced/lessen. And that is by giving the poor Palestines freedom. Leave them alone. Let Palestine be sovereign state not just a vassal. Doing that will certrainly and greatly put a very heavy wedge of that...
Good post, Husnaa
There are many Jews in the UK completely disgusted and enraged by Israel's behaviour and all across UK and Europe many Jews have been taking part in huge demonstrations in major cities against Israel.
Many of the better informed Jews in Israel are also enraged but the majority of the Israel population are affected by the propaganda that is continuously put out by the Israel government about the Palestinians. The Government of Israel is leaving a legacy of increasing hate that will take a generation to fix and will increase the determination of the Palestinians to resist the Israeli Government's efforts to drive them into the sea.
That is what this is about. It has nothing to do with religion and everthing to do with Israel holding on to the land it has stolen from the Palestinians with the ambition of driving the Palestinians out altogether.
It is only able to do so because of the complete support of the US and the cowardly inaction of other Western leaders who bow to American pressure.
Hopefully Obama can do something about this.
we should'nt forget about the existence of a cult within the
jews (not jews as in tribe, but as in belief), so, its possible
that there are jews who dont belong to this same cult.
remember the one eye symbol.
(http://www.jesuswasnothisname.com/images/US_Seal.jpg)
I had never heard of this cult, DB. You know how rookie, novice or what can I call myself I am? ;D Need a link to more about it, pls. Thanks.
Dan Borno,
Looks like you don't much about history and symbols. You can very much research anything on line and get answers prompto. The symbol that you posted in your essay is not a jewish symbol, and that image is on the U.S dollar.
Here, read this and be better informed.
http://www.shira.net/symbols.htm
This old Egyptian symbol actually appears on the Great Seal of the United States, and on every United States dollar bill. The reason is because the original designers of the Great Seal were influenced by Freemasonry, which had adopted a number of Egyptian religious symbols, including this one.
The eye within a pyramid originally represented the god enclosed, during his "dead" period, awaiting rebirth. He was entombed in the underworld. Nevertheless, his soul remained alive and watchful, as indicated by the open eye.
See also the entry for the Utchat, another all-seeing eye.
The word utchat, sometimes spelled udjat, refers to Egypt's sacred eye symbol. The right eye is called the Eye of Ra, symbolizing the sun. The left is called the Eye of Thoth, symbolizing the moon. Both eyes together are the Two Eyes Of Horus The Elder. The eye is the part of the body able to perceive light, and is therefore the symbol for spiritual ability.
@Usman11,
You remain an enigmatic figure to me, wallahi. Don't ask how, for I don't know what to say. ;D
Thanks for the link.
Muhsin,
Thanks....always happy to be of assistance.
Assalamu alaikum,
I hope you didnt miss this live....
"President Peres you are older than me and your voice is very loud. The reason for you raising your voice is the psychology of guilt. I will not raise my voice that much, you should know that. When it comes to killing, you know very well how to kill. I know very well how you hit and killed children on the beaches," he said during the panel discussion, which also included United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Arab League chief Amr Moussa. "The death of civilians cannot be seen as a simple work accident."
"My reaction (walkout) was to the moderation," he said, explaining that Peres had been given 25 minutes by the moderator to talk while the others on the panel were given less time. The moderator, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, had given him a minute to reply, then asked him to finish, saying that people needed to go to dinner.
Turksih Prime Minister, Erdagan to Israeli President Shimon Peres at World Economic Forum at Davos
30th January 2009.
Eheee!!!,
Now Elections are over in Israel with Livni's KADIMA hiving 28 seats and Netanyahu's LIKUD 27 seats, Libermann's YB 15 seats,Since neither kadima nor likud can form govt, I wish any alliance to form govt will yield sustainable Truce in the conflict. Because It shows many israelis prefer the total elimination of palastine, which is never possible.