I will really appreciate comments and views on the trend of our Northern elites sending their children to schools in foreign countires:
This poser becomes more important, when i am a witness to some of our respected sisters and daughters getting married to xtians in London and America after long periods of schooling in these countries. If it is necessary for us to send our children, should it be both girls and boys? At what age? Or should we don't even do it. Or should we only send them to middle eastern islamic countires?
All these are issues that have really bothered my mind, because i see it becoming a fashionable trend in our current societies. Just last week in New York, i was shocked to my bones to meet a pure hausa-fulani lady from a reputable northern islamic family married to an american caucacian and invariably she has converted to his religion and they have 2 kids.
I am most grateful for your anticipated responses.
whao :o are u serious??? hmmmm... oh well her choice...*dont ya think*
and no.. i dont agree that there has to be a specific gender/age/country u have to send ur kids to...
in most cases.. the mid-eastern countries are worse...
if u see a "mis-led" northerner abroad... check out their family background.. it all starts from there...
and i've met many many northerners who maintain their religion and culture abroad... :) so... it depends on the kind of role models they have in life...
but a good solution.. get ur kids married before they go on to masters... ;) if u dont trust ur child... if u do.. pray to Allah to guide them right
I totally reject Dan Sakkwato analysis of the situation.
Dan sakkwato banajin gaskiyane yan uwa Musulmi ko musulma zai je kasar kafirai ya auri kafira. Anya? Ni kaina a kasar waje nike amma ban taba ganin wani wanda ya yi ridda ba ko kuma ya canza addini.
What normally occurs- not to Northern muslims- is some people in order to gain US citizenship will "temporarily" get married - get citizenship and revert to the status quo ante.
I can however beleive you if you furnish this site withan example.
Sai naji dagagareka.
Amin
Wallahi gaskiya ne. Bai kamata in fadi suna ba, domin zai za ma cin mutunci da fallasa wanda ba ya da kyau a addinin musulunci. Kuma duk ma su dangartaka da wannan mata ba su ji dadin halin da ta ke ciki ba.
Amma, the issue here shi ne muyi discussion tsakanin mu domin bu ba juna shawara ma fi kyau.
Ni, a gani na, ya kamata yara su je kasahen turawa kara karatu bayan sun kare secondry school. Domin a lokacin sun samu kyakyawan tarbiya akan halayar mu da musulunci. Kuma sun san ciwon kan su.
Allah ya kara muna lura a ko yaushe -- Ameen
To Allah yasawake! :o :o :o :o
Assalamu alaikum;
Fyne Dyme Queen, Amin, fulani,
Thank you all for contributing to this topic and an gaishe ka Dan-Sokoto (ga GORO daga KANO . . . (http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/goro01.jpg) . . .) for starting the topic.
I think this is very important, very sensitive and very personal topic. While it is neither right or good to generalize,
Does it seems like the younger the person (Male or Female) starts and complete schools abroad, the harder for him or her to make the necessary adjustments to go back and live in the Motherland??
Does it seems like somewhat harder for Females to make the necessary adjustments and sacrifices to go back and live in the Motherland after finishing schools abroad compared to their Male counterparts??
Is just the person's parental upbringing that is at play or does cultures also play a part??
Does whether the person goes to school abroad on their on, or with their parents or guardians matters??
Do we or should we have some private schools that can be on par with the schools abroad??
Does the level of education (prenatal, nanny, day care, pre-school, school, after-school, kindergarten, Islamiya school, Makarantar Allo, Almajiranci, primary school, elementary school, secondary school, Technical school, Vocational school, Trade school, High school, Low school, A-Level, Z-Level, Under and over graduate schools) matters??
assalam
look first of all lets get to the roots of the problem
we are sent (am a student studying abroad) by our parents to kaser waje for what purpose?
well simple,
1)riots
2)strikes
3)low education standards
my friend tackle all of these and no parent will send his/her kid to study abroad.
we have a.b.u
which has a potential to be amongst the best uni's in this world, yes this world u heard me not "only africa"
got my point ?
hope so
se anjuma
naka/naki
ali hamza
Assalaam
Ali Hamza, not that you are wrong, but you are missing the point. No matter how good our schools are, some people will still send their wards to school overseas. In any case by whatever yard stick, there is nothing wrong with going to overseas for education. Allah ya ce a nemi ilmi ko da zai kai mutum kasar Sin. And for me, the whole idea of education, involves going to other places, seeing and learning how things are different from your own setting, all with the sole aim of improving your self.
However, the issue here is, a particular problem is identified with sending children to school, and the poser is, how do we balance our sending children overseas vis-a-vis their falling into the problem we have identified. Otherwise, if one is to start another topic, it can safely be posed, how do we overcome all the problems you have listed in order to improve our schools system in Nigeria? But that is not the issue here. However, if you can still propose from your own perspective, what you think is wrong with our educational system and recommend ways to overcome them in order to eliminate 1)Riots 2) Strikes and 3) Low educational standards we will appreciate.
Ku za ma lafiya.
Dan-Sokoto
Assalaam Alaikum,
I totally agree with Fyne. If you have had a good upbringing, wallah ko ina ka shiga you'll stick to that value.
Yeah, da kwai da ya wa wadanda ke karatu kasar waje kuma suke mantawa da addinin su (sun aje shi gefe guda) but at the same time, su wadanda da ke nan gida Nigeria ai suma basu fasa...har ma abun da suke yi wani/wata da ke waje bai yin shi. So, idan kuwa har anayin wadannan abubuwan a gida Nigeria, what do you expect from wadanda suke abroad (those da basu da good upbringing da ma can) Besides-da wannan yajin aikin if kana da hanyar fitar kasar waje yin karatu, why not go??? Kuma ba duka aka hadu aka zama daya ba.
Allah ya shirye mu baki daya
Ma'3ssalaamah.
ok.... i think schoolin' abroad is a GREAT oppurtunity....
and if ur worried about losin' culture... and losin moral values.. i know many northerners who neva even smelled chad's border.. but still are RAW!!!!!....
so its not about being abroad or home...
Posted by: Salisu U. Danyaro Posted on: Today at 3:53am
Assalamu alaikum;
Does it seems like somewhat harder for Females to make the necessary adjustments and sacrifices to go back and live in the Motherland after finishing schools abroad compared to their Male counterparts??
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male counterparts????? its not necessary that the females go back and marry a northerner.... and they dont really have to adjust to anything.... the male can simply accept the way they are... or he can marry a more "traditionalized" woman...
so personally.. i dont think thats much of an issue...
SALAMU ALAIKUM.........
why is it that when a Northerner studies abroad, that person is considered rotten??? Thats just not fair!!!! I know some people studyin outta Nija and are ANGELS....i also know others that r just off the hook!!!! :-/
Still ,I hear stories from relaiable sources bout what goes down in ABU, BUK, and Uni Maid...and belive me, what goes on there doesnt even happen in colleges outta Nija.....i dont wanna get rude, so I am not getting into examples....
And u know what??? Yes, I agree that family background plays an important role in one's behaviours.... But one becomes rotten whenever he/she wants to....FOR example, i know some kidz that r from extremely religeous families...but i shake my head at their actions, as though they came from the jungle.....
hope i made myself clear....
May Allah protect from EVIL, thats all i can say....Ameen :D
Salam....
The issue here is not wheather you can afford it or not,we talk abaut moral values or behavior,what normally happens is that whenever you send your child abroad to read is extremely hard for that child to return behaving as decent as you send him no mattere the background that is because of the diverse culture the child is exposed there,and nibanga wani dallili na tura da waje yayi karatuba,duk abinda zai karanto ba zai sa yafi sauran wa'yanda suka yi karatu anan ba,kuma ai malamanmu yawawnci acan suka yi karatu saboda haka inda za a tsaya abasu abinda ya dace da kuma facilities da sun yi abinda 'yan wajen basu yi ba,kamar ni a canada nayi karatu kuma acan na samu first son dina wanda har ya samu citezenship nacan ,amma saboda sanin rayuwar yanzu na barshi a B.U.K,inda da yayi first degree yana iya komawa can waje yayi masters don a lokacin ya mallaki hankalin kansa.sannan ban yadda da maganan background ba,duk abin ya doru akan maturity,yanzu a zamanin yau sai dai Allah ya gyara kawai.
Assalaam Alaika m.t Shira
Well...yeah it's true akan zancen background din mutum...zaka ga 'ya'yan malamai suna yin abunda bai kamata ba...ka ga anan baza mu ce iyayensu basu basu tarbiyya mai kyau ba...but at the same time, for some ppl, idan dai har suka samu wannan good upbringing tun daga farko, to kam suna rikeshi ko a'ina suke.
Kuma ba duka iyaye ke aika 'ya'yan su karatu waje ba har sai sun tabbatar baza suyi shaidan ci ba. Wasu iyayen na monitoring duk abunda yaro keyi, suna visiting now and then, suna sawa yaransu curfew etc.
Ko ina mutum yake in dai zuciyar shi tana kan abu, to babu makawa sai yayi shi. Ko nan Nigeria wannan shaidanshin anayinsa wanda wani ma ba'ayinsa anan :-/. Sai dai kawai muce Allah ya shirye mu baki daya. Ameen
Ma'3ssalaamah
You guys are talking as if those back at home are waliyai or sort of salihai :-X
Gida ko waje ? meye bambamcin? wherever someone is in yaso ya lallace zai lallace and if it's written down 4 him zai auri christian, ko bature ko inyamuri ,he've got no other chioce, sai dai Addu'an make god zaba mafi alheri.
Assalaam!
Na gaisheku Ihsan da Bahaushiya. Shukran. Gaskiya ne ko ina yaro ko dan adam ya ke zai iya lalacewa. Allah ubangiji ya siryarda nu.
Amma ai magana nan ita ce, parents su na da na su responsibility zu wa ga yayan su. Wanda ya ke shi ne su tabbatar cewa sun aza yayan su bisa akan hanya da tsari mafi kyau. Saura kuma sai addu'a da rokon Allah ya yi jagora
Therefore, our role as parents is to make sure we choose a path that we know is most sensible for our children. Dan-Kwairo and others say, kome ka shuka shi za ka girba.
This therefore brings back to what Shira said. I really agree with him. There is need for parents to insulate their children from early childhood exposure from western culture till after such children are grounded in tarbiyya da al'adun gida. The wisdom here is that, idan yara su ka tashi gida, kome shi ga duniyar su, a karshe za su dawo. kuma ba za a ga sun yi wani abin da zai yi shaking the very foundation of their lives ba, kamar mace ta yi auren wani wanda ya ke ba addinin su daya ba etc etc. Please don't judge me that, no matter what there are some people who do these things no matter where raised. I concede there are exceptions. But the whole issue is, as parents have we done what is right from our understanding of the problem while allowing God take control?
My advise is that, kar a tura yara kasar turai at an early age. A bari sai sun kare secondry school tukuna.
Allah ya ka ra lurad da mu a ko yaushe - Ameen!
Dan-Sokoto
Salamu Alaikum
Allah ya kiyaye....coz there are some people that are from very religeous backgrounds, and completed their high schools and yet they are of bad characters.......
Wisdom is not age.... some kids I know that are 13 and suna da hankali.......whereas I know some that are 40 and all u will do is pity them....
So either high school graduates or not, if their Iman is strong , they will have second thoughts before doing bad things.... and If their Imam is weak...sorry for them...
OOOh YEAH~ There are some kids from states like Kano, Katsina, Sokoto...and u will find them drinking...and Wallah, they will tell u that they started drinking Alchohol back in Kano, Katsina, Sokoto....
So Many of them come abroad, already rotten!!! They just have more freedom to do it abroad coz they dont have their parents near....
All I can say is May Allah Guide and Protect us from Satan...Ameen
:)
Assalaam Alaikum,
Wallahi kam gaskiya ne Fulanicious, wadanda suka kare makarantar secondary din a Nigeria wallahi idan suka fita waje har sunfi wasu wadanda dama a wajen suke lalacewa. Abun kawai sai gyaran Allah. Allah ya shiryemu baki daya.
AMEEEEEEEEEEEEN
i agree with bahaushiya!!!!..... no difference between outside, inside....... even if na outahspace.....same destiny baybeeee...
:D LOOOOOL , CANT HELP MYSELF, LOOOOLLLL
MY DYME SISTA:) U NEED HELP, SERIOSULY :).........LOOOL U R JUST OFF THE HOOK!!!!!! 8) :D 8)
Assalaam!
Now you folks are re-directing the issue from a simple stated theme to a general issue of lalacewar yara. In all my submisssions, i agreed that, wether in or outside Nigeria, with or without parental supervision or guidance children could get astray. I even went further in my earlier submission to say parents could only do this much and the rest sai addua da rokon allah kawai.
Let me once more re-affirm that, in or outside, outer-space or below the ocean, even in Mecca and Medina children do go astray and could still go astray. This is a statement of fact. So what are we supposed to do? Fold our arms and keep quite and do nothing? We should not talk about it or even suggest a way out?
On the issue of lalacewan yara wether at home or outside, can somebody help us with what may be responsible? And ?recommend way out? Don Allah a taimaka. Come on sisters and brothers, please put on your thinking caps, i need help on this issue.
Wassalaam Dan-Sokoto
Salamu alaikum
I say a WEAK HEART!!! no matter even if Ahmed Deedat is ur teacher! If u have a weak heart u will forget about the Islamic ways of life ......
Some people may say its peer pressure. But Wallah i dont belive in that. If u let your friends get u tangled in the wrong things,then it is because U WANTED to get tangled!!!
What is so wrong with changing friends? to get new and more positive friends ,even if the person is just 1 .huh ?????????
And if ur afraid that u won't be considered "cool" anymore...think of it this way, u will be a cool person before your decent friends, before your family, and most importantly before Allah who created YOU! :o :o :o
So tell me, who should u fear most MAN OR GOD ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
somethin to think about......
Well akwai wani abu sdayake sa mutanenmu su auri non-muslim daga wata kasa,most of them is because of citizenship in sukai aure aka basu citizenship sai su rabu,wasu kuma so ne yake musu yawa sai kaga ya kaisu ga aure,koda yake bana jin haram ne ga namiji ya auri mace wadda ba musulmaba saboda zai iya musuluntar da ita,amma mace bai halatta ta auri wanda ba musulmiba,Allah y vakaremu Amin.
I was wondering where I have been when u guys are busy discussion thes interestingly important topics. Iam happy I can now say a few things. U guys have said so much already; to amma abin da na ke so na kara shine, a gaskiya kamar yadda manzo(S.A.W.) ya ce ne; a ciking jiki akwai wata tsoka, idan ta gyru to dukkan jiki sai ya gyaru, hka kuma idan ta baci dukkan jiki sai ya baci, wannan itace "zuciya". Abinda yasa na kwao wannan shine, I have a friend whom I know to be RAW, I mean very raw in every sense of the word. Suddenly he got a chance to go abroad for his karatu, my heart was all out for him. To my uttermost supprise after some month he sent me picture of him and the people they have succeeded in converting to Islam, he is now seriously into propagation of the word of Allah even though he more exposed to the western culture ( as he is in the US). Simply, he is more of a saint in the US than when he was in Nigeria. At first I thought, the reason is because he realised that ' what ever he wants to do there are people doing worser things out there and he decided to let go'
In a nut shell, mtum dai shi zai rike zuciyarsa, domin akwai yaran da iayayensu ma ba yadda za suyi da su sai dai addua'a.
Allah ya kauta, amin!!
kamil
ameen Wallah
Wallahi so true brother Kamil..zuciya dai itace..ta gyaru komai ya gyaru, ta baci, komai ya baci....
Allah ya shiryemu...Ameen
Well it look like I'm really late to enter this conversation. But I have to agree with the most people here, It's all destiny--- whatever suppose to happen it will happen you can be in kano or in washington it will not change. ba hausawa nace wa tun ran gini tun ran zane be. it's just that we disgust nasara(western people) so when ever our people are with them we tend to think that they will behave just like them. Amma ni a ganina going to school outside of nigeria will not hurt or fix your children in any way it's just an experience for both the kids and parents.
yeah.... experience i agree... some will be soooo proud... and others...madd dissapointed...hehe... na so be lyfe...
so many things our peeps do... even in their very own village... so we should all kick the idea of "people abroad are spoilt and raw" to the curb... cuz it aint true...
Tahiyyatiy al-islam,
Bravo Dan-Sokoto for "triggering" up this discussion, had I the required expertise I would have given you namijin goro daga Zaria as opposed to the "female" goro Salisu gave you from Kano :).
It is evident today that everything from everywhere can reach everywhere within just a blink of an eye. Lalacewar tarbiya, ko 'yan uwanmu mata su rika DATING wasu wanda ba musulmi ba ya zama ruwan dare ko ina har ma a gida nan. In ABU Zaria here (that is where I do " Kwadago" ) the thing is becoming... uhm what is the right word?...Yes I find it: "O-U-T-R-A-G-E-O-U-S". My profession; being an IT personnel; my different associations and my convial disposition, sukansa na saba da mutane da yawa sosai cikin sauki. Yanzu haka dinnnan da nake rubuta wannan ina kallon wata yarinya musulma(bahaushiya) da saurayinta wadda shike ba musulmi bane suna surfing net a cikin laboratory dinda nake.
I have ruminated over and over again for long on why this thing is happening. Because I believe The Hausa-Fulani in Nigeria alone are more than 35 million. We have a unique identity; a civilization; a culture we must to indefatigably defend. So I went a step further to interviewing some of the sisters involved - and you may be surprised - but by God they spoke out their mind.
In short, what is common in their wordings as the reason for their -what I will here call "Embezzlement of Gene"- is LACK OF ATTENTION from their "ordained" brothers, that they may have to their company AND accomplishment: the right and most perfect influence. And believe you me sincerely it is true. For I can still remember a certain popular NTA network newscaster that married a Christian. When asked of the reason why? she replied: I find peace in him, for my own did not deem it fit to marry me.
Yes, as the prophet (PBUH) of Islam would say: Hearts do tilt to it that is favorably disposed towards it.
I’ll forward my suggestions as a sequel to this in Gods permission. I am in deep hurry now.
Thank you and God bless
Waziri
Malam waziri, amma that was really a pitiful situations!! Lallai kam ya kama ta mu tashi tsaye tunda har non-muslims zai iya wadatar da yar uwanmu musulma da"peace" bayan mu muka gaji wannan kalma, kai abin da ta kaici!!!! Allah ya sawwake. Amin
Wallahi Mallam Waziri a bin da ka ce gaskiya ne. Without even going far, a gida nijeriya a makarantu, irin abin da a ke yi sai dai allah ya kiyaye kawai.
Let me just share a bitter and sad experience i had to endure some years back in Nigeria somewhere in the north. I was attending a course with lots of my classamtes from all over nigeria. There was this friend of mine, inyamuri, dating a pure northern hausa fulani girl from a respectable well known northern family. Well to start with, i did not give a hoot to what she was doing as it was entirely her business. She usually drives her car to come to our school and spend the night with her inyamuri lover. She however, comes at about one o'clock in the night and sneaks out five to six in the morning. I had occasions to see her departing from my window when i wake up to pray in the morning as our rooms were close to each other. But what shocked me to the morrows was that, my friend one day sarcastically, asked me, Dan-Sokoto why do your northern hausa-fulani girls pretend too much? I fired back that, i did not understood what he was saying. He then told me that, his hausa-fulani lover said that we hausa boys talk too much and that was why she sneaked in and out at odd hours and doesn't want to be seen.
I seriously wanted to confront her any time she was there but for the intervention and pacification of my friend.
So the question is why the deceit? Why accuse innocent hausa boys who do not care a hoot what you were doing?
Mallam Waziri, wallahi when i introduced the topic i perfectly understand the danger. I have had my great share of zama kasar nasara, especially america. Kuma wallahi, from the bottom of my heart, it is not a place where every patriotic musulmi dan arewa should think of raising children na shi. I am not against schooling there at all, amma a bari sai yara sun girma a gida tukuna sun kare secondry school ko ma university, sun samu good foundation na culture da addinin kafin a kai su. A word is enough for the wise.
Dan-Sokoto
Dan Sokoto, wallahi ba girman yara da gama karatun secondary dinsu a gida ne abunda zai kare su daga lalacewa a waje ba. Ga sunan da yawa muna gani, sai da suka gama makaranta sannan suka tafi, amma wallahi abunda suke yi wanda ya bude ido da malam bature ma ba yayi. Ni kam zan iya cewa zuciya itace...komin good tarbiyar da mutum zai samu in dai zuciyar shi babu kyau, he'll do whatever he wishes.
Haka ne, Shi yasa na tuna mana da hadisin manzo (S.A.W.) na cikin Arba'una hadith: "Acikin jiki akwai wata tsoka, idan ta gyru, to dukkan jiki sai ya gyru, kuma idan ta baci to dukkan jiki sai ya baci, manzo yace wannan itce zuciya" Allah ya shiryem mu ya sa mu fi karfin zuciyar mu. Amin summa Ameen!!
Ameen Ameen... Allah ya gyara mu baki daya.
Ihsan, ki lura cewa na yarda da cewa, a ko ina yaro ko mutum yake, zai iya lalacewa. Wannan ba gardama a kan shi. Amma experience nawa shi ne, idan yaro ya tashi a gida, ya girma, ko da ya lalace akwai fatar cewa zuwa gaba hankali zai dawo ma sa ya koma a hanyar kirki.
Amma, idan yaro ya tashi a kasar nasara, misali kamar wadanda, su ke tura yaran su kasar nasara su yi primary, secondry har university, to wadannan yara, sai ki tarar cewa, ba su da wata tarbiyar a zo a gani. Karshe ma, sai ki tarar duk ra'ayin su na duniya na nasara ne. Ga su da yawa muna gani a nan america. Yayan musulmi, hausawa amma ba sa jin hausa sosai, ba tarbiyar hausa ko kadan. Har ma in sun girma sai su na cewa wai hausawa are consertive a nigeria etc etc.
Ni dai shawara ta it ce a dinga sara ana duba bakin gatari.
Allah ubangiji ya kare mu a ko yaushe, ya kare kabilar mu da addinin mu na musulunci - Ameen.
Dan-Sokoto
well.... dan soks and waziri... so ur frettin' cuz hausa chic got with an inyamiri??... ur here complainin' about the chics...
the fellaz nko?...... no be them be smokers...drinkers... and they are most likely to sleep around than muslim females... and they all seem to get away wit' it.... :-/
and my point.....whether ur in a hard-core village.... new york slums.... london alley... nazi nation.... great wall of china... if U truly want to follow God's path... u'll make it!!!!!....
dont prevent ur kids from going abroad to study.... thats juss dumb!...
ps... there are muslims everywhere... and they seem to be makin' it.... none of them were raised up in kano, kaduna, or where ever u think ur kids will get the best Islamic influence...
:-X to ni kam ban san mi zan ce ba yanzu...a gani na dana wajen da na cikin duk suna yi (wasu )
Hi guys, :D
Hope u all doin kool. Well as i read the whole dicussion i would just like u share my own opinoin, Nigerian have a bad repetation :-[ towards overseas stutents. Da sunji ance wane da wane sune kasar waje sai ka ji anyi concluding son zama "Yan Iska" :'( which is unbelievable, ba duka aka taru aka zama daya ba!! well the thing is every baheviour & character stars at home so if a parent is sending their children 2 oversea with confidence the they already know wat type of training they've given there child.Sai koma so kara da addu'a. And i think the age doesn't matter.
Alot of ppl come over here with no impretion of getting marride 2 any oversea but the jujal of the overseas brain wash them and they end up getting marride 2 a (baturiya as they like to say ;D). The kids end up into another religion and the whole tradition gets washes away down the sink. He cant even remember he language.Some even just get marride in order 2 get a stay (british passport ;D). This mostly ocurrs with the males who easily get attracted to the female. The first solution is in nija i know they ar good but they should be improved 2 be excellent. Secondly the parents sholud train there children before sending them over and a koya muso tsoron allah.
i also think the most dangerous age group is from 9-16yrs the children ar more easily influenced by friends in terms of eg drugs, disrespect 2 parents etc, but all the same the conclusion is train them , then also put this in there heads dat IF THE PARENST AR NOT THERE 2 WATCH THE ALLAH IS ALWAYS THERE then a hada da addu'a, and dat's it.
U all take care & saty kool
Beeba t
Quote from: "Blaqueen"well.... dan soks and waziri... so ur frettin' cuz hausa chic got with an inyamiri??... ur here complainin' about the chics...
the fellaz nko?...... no be them be smokers...drinkers... and they are most likely to sleep around than muslim females... and they all seem to get away wit' it.... :-/
and my point.....whether ur in a hard-core village.... new york slums.... london alley... nazi nation.... great wall of china... if U truly want to follow God's path... u'll make it!!!!!....
dont prevent ur kids from going abroad to study.... thats juss dumb!...
ps... there are muslims everywhere... and they seem to be makin' it.... none of them were raised up in kano, kaduna, or where ever u think ur kids will get the best Islamic influence...
xcellent xcellente!!! well said bravo!!!...london whad up!1
Quote from: "Blaqueen"!!!!!....
dont prevent ur kids from going abroad to study.... thats juss dumb!...
Blaqueen...u habe 2 sfecipy ze fart op ABROAD ur chuldren shud grow...u just cant take ur yung kidds 2 da slums op Brooklyn n expect zem 2 habe hausa morals... "
it is worthless trying 2 pill a basket with water" look... siri op mah cuzns where raised abroad....zere moza n pazer got divorced when zey were bery yung, ze pirst was just pipe yrs old ...ze 2nd waz about 3...n ze last was exactly a year n a month old...zat was when zere dad 2k zem abroad 2 a white couple, n when zey came back, ze last born waz 18, it waz Ramadan feriod, ip we go 2 fray kiyamul laili, many tyms the second 1 use 2 go wit headpones (walkman), so zat when ozers r fraying, he will just b listening 2 his muzic n pollowing ze Gymnastics! Haba! Kan u imagine? Which means ko sallah ma bayayi? And u tel me 2 take mah kidds 2 abroad 2 study? Not in their tender age!
Amma muda,dont u think the problem is as a result of the parent's separation (divorce)?U see they dont have a mother to look after them and as u know, parents are the best teachers.So i disagree with you that the children are bad mannered as a result of their being brought up abroad... [/size]
HOw many people in here will send their children to study abroad!! why or why not?
For me dai...Aaskiya Yara na dole suje Secondary School a Naija (that is idan ban yi aure a Nigeria ba...& if I and my husband can afford it :D ) but Jamiaa kam a gaskiya banda Nigeria. Ko Ghana na aika yarana....
:P
Ther are two points to ur question.the gud n d bad.
u kno how tins are nowadays if you send ur kids to study abroad there will be thins that they will pick up from other ppl, wen these kids start mixing with ppl not there kind eg turawa za su koya abubuwa iri iri wanda basu dace ba and towards addini musulunci.
N d gud tin is wen they go schoolin abroad u kno that they are going to get that education,unlike sumtyms for naija you get dem strikes.
:)
But then if the kids are those that really want to study and have it in their hearts then its no problem kwai de ay ta addua. :)
No way will I send my kid(s) to study abroad. The disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. I have a friend living in London. He just sent his kids back to Kano last week to start their primary education. Him and his wife are both working. For one, the cost of hiring a nanny or day care for the children will be too much. Secondly, the moral, religious or cultural implication or your kids attending school there.
Quote from: "amira"Ther are two points to ur question.the gud n d bad.
u kno how tins are nowadays if you send ur kids to study abroad there will be thins that they will pick up from other ppl, wen these kids start mixing with ppl not there kind eg turawa za su koya abubuwa iri iri wanda basu dace ba and towards addini musulunci.
N d gud tin is wen they go schoolin abroad u kno that they are going to get that education,unlike sumtyms for naija you get dem strikes.
:)
But then if the kids are those that really want to study and have it in their hearts then its no problem kwai de ay ta addua. :)
I CAN SAY YOU HAVE A GOOD WAY OF APPROACHING MATTERS, I AGREE WITH YOU, ABSOLUTELY!
Quote from: "Bakan~Gizo"No way will I send my kid(s) to study abroad. The disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. I have a friend living in London. He just sent his kids back to Kano last week to start their primary education. Him and his wife are both working. For one, the cost of hiring a nanny or day care for the children will be too much. Secondly, the moral, religious or cultural implication or your kids attending school there.
THAT MAKES THE TWO OF US MR. BAKAN GIZO. I WAS TOLD ABOUT ONE KANO BABE LIVNG IN UK, A DOUGHTER TO ONE BIG SHOT, WHEN SHE LEFT NIG. WAS DECENT AND RELIGIOUS, NOW I WAS TOLD MOST OF THE TIME SHE USE TO BE CARRIED HOME FROM THE CLUB, HIGHLY DRUNK! ALLAH YA KIYAYE!
Quote from: "mlbash"Quote from: "Bakan~Gizo"No way will I send my kid(s) to study abroad. The disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. I have a friend living in London. He just sent his kids back to Kano last week to start their primary education. Him and his wife are both working. For one, the cost of hiring a nanny or day care for the children will be too much. Secondly, the moral, religious or cultural implication or your kids attending school there.
THAT MAKES THE TWO OF US MR. BAKAN GIZO. I WAS TOLD ABOUT ONE KANO BABE LIVNG IN UK, A DOUGHTER TO ONE BIG SHOT, WHEN SHE LEFT NIG. WAS DECENT AND RELIGIOUS, NOW I WAS TOLD MOST OF THE TIME SHE USE TO BE CARRIED HOME FROM THE CLUB, HIGHLY DRUNK! ALLAH YA KIYAYE!
It sooooooo tru, am in london n hear bout these tins, ppl cumn from home decent and religious but as soon as they reach d LDN thins change all we have to say is ALLAH YA SHIRYA AMEEN SUMMA AMEEN
Well many people are like that...but one thing you need to realize is that....A gida yaro na Addini da ladabi and all the good things....but no matter how good da tarbiyan da yaro ya samu, ba shi ne zai hana shi iskanci ba. duck wanda ya shiga iskanci toh fa daman chan yana so yayi a ranshi... and the parents should even know what sort of children they have idan kuma ya dace su kaisu kasar waje karatu. some parents ignore the fact that Yaransu fa iskanci suke a waje, (dem dey hear storys and hints from people fa)...& most of them Ignore it...they just want their kids to study abroad, becoz this person son dey there...thats all that matters to them. :roll: (Allah sawake)
and some...(I c alot of this) the parents are very strict....they dont even let the kids have boy/friends or girl/friends.... (not that they should but atleast let them asociate with the opposite sex even if dem dey stop them trust me they go still break the rules fa (we were onces all kids if not still for someothers) they control the kids kamar me...(kun dai gane ba?) & all of a sudden they carry their pikins come drop for London or America....Su daya .....'FREEDOM LAND fa a ka ce. NO mama no papa(Lala Land :wink: ) :lol: 10 out of 100 are the only once dat wount go wild. is like the saudi Arabian Kids, when they go to america or London to study....daga shan BEER SAI wannna Iskancin sai wanchan. saboda all their life basu samu sake waba.
Allah dai ya sawake kuma ya kare mu duka(coz satan is everywhere) even some kids coming from a good household... staying under their parents roof,they still misbehave... ba wai kawai aika yaro kasan waje ne ya ke sa yara su lala ce ba...it can happen anywhere... all the parents need to be doing is knowing whats going on in your child's life...ask questions and be noisy....after all they are still your chidren!! :) (but kai i take them been noisy...but they should know whats Up with their babies) sai dai allah ya kiya ye
Quote from: "Yarkwye ce"HOw many people in here will send their children to study abroad!! why or why not?
For me dai...Aaskiya Yara na dole suje Secondary School a Naija (that is idan ban yi aure a Nigeria ba...& if I and my husband can afford it :D ) but Jamiaa kam a gaskiya banda Nigeria. Ko Ghana na aika yarana....
:P
Hehehe...
Yarkawye, kin tabo baban magana, me i will send my kids abroad on some basic conditions, zat zey habe a strong background on religious traditions here in Nija pirst, n zey must habe pinished zeir frimary n secondary education here too. It is only apter zat i can allow ze one i notice high religious aculturation in him/her.
Quote from: "mudacris"
Hehehe...Yarkawye, me i will send my kids abroad on some basic conditions, zat zey habe a strong background on religious traditions here in Nija pirst, ...
Which they will easily forget when they land in oyibo land, sai dai in Allah ya kare su.
sai fa idan kawai ya je ya barsu a wajan ba checking on them or let have someone look after them. and i believe cewar, if u have open relationship with your children, toh fa they sure will let you know whats up in their life...and when you dont ask them questions and dont have open relationships, toh fa u will never knw what they be doing.
allah dai kare yaran mu da mu kan mu :!:
BAWAI INA SO MUYI MUSU BANE , AMMA DAI THE POINT IS THAT EVEN IN CHEMISTRY THERE IS WHAT THEY CALL CATALYST; HENCE TAKING YOUR CHILDREN THERE MEANS YOU ARE SPEEDING THE RATE OF CHEMICAL REACTION WHICH CAN BE READ AS PHYSICALLY,CHEMICALLY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND OF COURSE BIOLOGICALLY! I HOPE YOU READ ME :lol:
:roll: :? :?: :idea: :? :lol:
Quote from: "Yarkwye ce":roll: :? :?: :idea: :? :lol:
YOU SAID NOTHING, DO YOUREAD ME?
Salamz everyone, Nice topic yarkwye and welxx
On this studying abroad issue: I guess as a parent, considering u brought
up the child, then there'll definitely be a stage where u can analyse ur
child's behaviour, at that stage u'd be able to measure ur child's level of
rawar kai and u shud know ur child's tendency to be bad and the
possibility of ur child to derail from the path that u have paved for
him/her. So i guess my answer to this question is if my pikin has strong
head from the beginning (not that i'm praying 4 dat for myself or
anyone), I'd not let him/her outta my sight. But if the child seems worthy
of my trust and doesn't look like he/she is going to betray my trust, then i
might consider that. Anyways, dats a matter of da future.
*cough* u ppl are even 4getting 1 important issue, If i no get money how
i go send my pikin abroad? Abi i go starve myself dey soak garri because
of that? Maybe by then ganyen rogo wudn't be a bad idea :P Financial
Status: Very important. Besides, lets pray by then Our dear nigerian
universities have improved and can be able to give the same type of
education that the foreign unis are giving. Then everyone wud be happy,
ko? Allah dai ya zabi mafi Alheri.
Malbash... i no sabi ur english...break am down. 8)
Fatezz watin u talk na true... e no dey ez to send man pikin go study 4 abroad. allah dai ya rabamu da talauci. idan kuma allah zai mana arzuki toh fa allah sa halack malack ne. :D
[idan kuma allah zai mana arzuki toh fa allah sa halack malack ne.]
i dey wit u. i dont want child to wait 4 long doin notin
Quote from: "Fateez"Salamz everyone, Nice topic yarkwye and welxx
On this studying abroad issue: I guess as a parent, considering u brought
up the child, then there'll definitely be a stage where u can analyse ur
child's behaviour, at that stage u'd be able to measure ur child's level of
rawar kai and u shud know ur child's tendency to be bad and the
possibility of ur child to derail from the path that u have paved for
him/her. So i guess my answer to this question is if my pikin has strong
head from the beginning (not that i'm praying 4 dat for myself or
anyone), I'd not let him/her outta my sight. But if the child seems worthy
of my trust and doesn't look like he/she is going to betray my trust, then i
might consider that. Anyways, dats a matter of da future.
*cough* u ppl are even 4getting 1 important issue, If i no get money how
i go send my pikin abroad? Abi i go starve myself dey soak garri because
of that? Maybe by then ganyen rogo wudn't be a bad idea :P Financial
Status: Very important. Besides, lets pray by then Our dear nigerian
universities have improved and can be able to give the same type of
education that the foreign unis are giving. Then everyone wud be happy,
ko? Allah dai ya zabi mafi Alheri.
yeah to some extent what you said is true but that atmosphere, oh girl i deh fearam je je!
Quote from: "Yarkwye ce"Malbash... i no sabi ur english...break am down. 8)
all i asked of you is to read me! common................................read me! :)
As someone earlier said it doesnt matter where u take u'r kids, provided that they study anywhere in the world they will do whatever they like. Parents usually raise their kids these days in a way that they tend to adapt multi-society habbits. In this case, its parents fault to let them do whatever the want at a young age. Truthfuly saying: Child behaviour is based on how they were raised, but i must admit society also shape the way we live these days.
Quote from: "Dante"As someone earlier said it doesnt matter where u take u'r kids, provided that they study anywhere in the world they will do whatever they like. Parents usually raise their kids these days in a way that they tend to adapt multi-society habbits. In this case, its parents fault to let them do whatever the want at a young age. Truthfuly saying: Child behaviour is based on how they were raised, but i must admit society also shape the way we live these days.
yeah that's right Dante, but it's the societal influence that makes us restless, particularly the peer group influence!
I find this topic to be of interest to me, because of what the adv. n dis-adv. of taking child(ren) to study abroad. Shiri na allah ne, U try ur best to raise ur kids in the best possible ways, but now even in nigeria yara suna yin abunda suka ga dama kuma a gaban iyayensu, just like Dante points out "child behavior is based on how they were raised, but society also shape the way we live these days". Our kids have access to Internet, Television 24/7, they have cell phones that they can use any which way they want. Abun da zamu yi shine Addua Allah ya Shirya mana zuria ya kuma bamu ikon tarbiyantasu cikin addinin musulinci, Amin.
I'll definately send my children to study abroad.
A kasar nan yanzu ko niger ka je kayi karatu to you have a better chance of getting employed because of the 'JANDED' papers you posess.
I see no any reason why I will send my child to
study abroad. Only on reason of circumstances,
for example, a new course of study not found in
my country's university curriculum.
Considering the bunch of London Returns (Oversea
Students in Nigeria) and their output, I consider it
a waste of money, time and energy. EXCEPT FOR
COURSES ABSOLUTELY NEW.
For my reasons!!! follow me.
I would send my kids abroad. Shiriya ta Allah ce. Kuma adduar iyaye danko ce. So unless kaddara ce ta riga fata as the sayiing goes.... nothing wrong with it.
Waste of money, shagwaba yara. Won't do it, except for similar reasons stated by D-B.
Please check the this link for more detailed discussion on this same topic, we may need to merge the topics...
OVERSEAS SCHOOLING FOR NORTHERN CHILDREN
http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=1279.msg14467#msg14467
Studying Abroad without a Mahrum
http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=2544.0
Thank you admin for taking your time and search
your achive for this important topic, I think I will
strongly second your plan to merge them, as I can
see our previous members have extensively and
objectively discuss the issue and have also done
justice to it.
However, anybody with a new suggestion can come
forward so that we will further discuss and also
butress our discussion with live reasons.
This is a good idea to merge the three topics together. But for me it is easy to monitor your kid more if he/she studies at home near you. Unless he/she is going for higher studies(postgraduate)
No. I studied here, so also they will. I always think of how those who cannot afford to send their children abroad for studies will feel. ::)
Travelling abroad to study. The benefit is not only the academic knowledge. But the experience and new things one learns from other society, it also makes the person independant. See- most of our mates that study back home do not buy even a bathing soap, toothpaste not to talk of food and accomodation, until they are married or graduated and leave the house then thats when they will start learning how an independent life is, which they will find difficult to cope (buy this, pay that, bills e.t.c).
I think the most important thing parents can do to their children is education both for this world and here after. So is left for the parent to provide the best of their ability.
IBB, wai yaushe zamu you fist with this your zakara ne?
I can only agree with you in terms of quality and sound
knowledge, the standard are quite different, and you
cant compare them. However, knowledge is a weapon
only those who knows how to use it benefit much. So
no matter the quality and standard of your certificate,
if you dont know how to put it into action, takardar mai
tsire ta fishi daraja.
Quote from: IBB on October 24, 2007, 06:21:13 PM
But the experience and new things one learns from other society, it also makes the person independant.
This is where the argument all started, because accepting
the alien behaviour is what brings about conflict down here.
You must agree with me that we inculcate our cultural
behaviour in all our day to day activities. So when you
learn an alien behaviour, import it down here - you will
sound crazy to us.
Quote from: IBB on October 24, 2007, 06:21:13 PM
I think the most important thing parents can do to their children is education both for this world and here after. So is left for the parent to provide the best of their ability.
Ka gama zancen gaba daya a nan :-X
Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 25, 2007, 06:42:44 PM
IBB, wai yaushe zamu you fist with this your zakara ne?
Karka damu zamu saka shi a karal-basna. lol
Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 25, 2007, 06:42:44 PM
However, knowledge is a weapon
only those who knows how to use it benefit much. So
no matter the quality and standard of your certificate,
if you dont know how to put it into action, takardar mai
tsire ta fishi daraja.
Dont forget I mentioned is not only the academic aspect one learns when he goes abroad but will be exposed to some new things which are left for him/her to filter and learn from the goods of that society
Quote from: Dan-Borno on October 25, 2007, 06:42:44 PM
This is where the argument all started, because accepting
the alien behaviour is what brings about conflict down here.
You must agree with me that we inculcate our cultural
behaviour in all our day to day activities. So when you
learn an alien behaviour, import it down here - you will
sound crazy to us.
Alien behaviors are what brought us to where we are now. Before Islam is an alien thing but now ?? Changes for the good are welcome in every society at the same time some people within the society revolt.
Travelling opens one's eyes, mind and change the way of thinking. Tell me DB I know you travel within Nigeria alot, didnt you learn something from other societies living within Nigeria alone?
Alien behaviours as long as they are good they are welcome DB. Travel around the world and see how we deal with the unbelievers (is a quote from the Quran. I know u know) dont you think Allah (SWT) is telling you there is knowledge to gain in travelling. Have you read about the story of a great traveller from Morocco in the 13th CE called Ibn Batuta? Read his history and see how was his end....... it was good and he earned it from the wisdom he gathered in his years around the world
salam.
I think it is not such a bad idea sending our kids overseas in search of proper education.It all depends on what the parent wants and what the child is capable of getting and what they hope to achieve after that.People have the right to seek knowledge anywhere in this world.It all depends on how much they are willing to give out to have it.You will be surprised to to know that over half of northerners wish they are overseas studing and will do just that if given the oppotunity.
We have got great lecturers and bright children but have you ever wondered why out 'karatu' is not well recognised as supposed to?I do not know but i think corruption has contributed to that so i think that explains why northers seek education somewhere else.If i have the means,ill send every child i have anywhere to seek the best of 'ilimi'.That is the only thing i can offer as a parent da kuma addua.