As Salam Alaykum... ;)
yeah.. so something about our culture that fascinates meeh.. is "kunyan dan fari"... lol.. why on EARTH does that happen? lol...
my mom told meeh that when my dad plays with my older bro (first born), he makes sure my granny (his mom) isn't around... and when she happens to walk into the room...... sai ya chillad da yaya na gefe daya... hahah... i think its a kute aspect of our culture.... tho i soooooo do not understand it!...
and also... the first borns name is hardly mentioned.. sai a kira shi/ita... "ke, kai"... ;D
if u got anymore...plz share!!!!!!!
p.s. if u talk jargon and try to condemn, i'll seriously damage whuteva is left of ur self-esteem @ u know urself...
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p.s. if u talk jargon and try to condemn, i'll seriously damage whuteva is left of ur self-esteem @ u know urself...
Hmmmmm she laffs sum ppl dont even know how 2 du it fur-real, suna zaki fada point 4ward not "u know ur self"..........besides let any1 tlk jargon if they want........freedom of speech!! Hello!!!!!!!! ::)
Ok.... that kunya thingy...its everywhere.am still waitin 4 a day that ma father will finally call out ma name! That thing kunya is sooooooooooo typical of fulaneez. I guess its tradition :-/
Salam
I think the 'kunyar dan fari' is something thats hard to explain. I know a woman very intelligent and versed in the islamic knowledge yet, she never calls her first born by his first name even though the guy is some 20 years old. She calls him 'wane' and everyone understand.
Personally, my grand ma does thesame with her first child abdullah whom she calls 'wanel llah' apparently in contarvention of the meaning of that attribute of Allah.
I believe its something cultural and since it does not involve bidi'a- its innocuous.
Thanks FDQ for redirecting our attention to some common practices often overlooked because of their simplicity.
Bye.
That Kunyar danfari has negative side effects on the children.
Ever wondered why in our culture there is a saying that 'dan fari dolo ne?' of course it is not true that every dan fari dolo ne, but by God, how close to the truth that statement is with regards to those children whom this aspect of our culture has been severely practiced upon.
Psychologically speaking, small children need love and attention for their mental development, especially where their intellectual faculties are concerned. Where a child does not receive constant love and attention, he tends to be backward intellectually and academically. The fact that the culture of ignoring one's first born was practiced in ernest in our society must have accounted for the saying that dan fari dolo ne, because it is the practitioners of this habit that unintentionally stumbled upon this empirical evidence without even realizing it.
I know of a person whose husband told her that he will name their son (who will be her first child) a particular name. Unfortunately, the birth was a still born boy. Therefore as the husband had another wife who also happened to be pregnant, he named the boy that the second wife gave birth to, the name he had originally intended for the still born child.
The first wife whose child was supposed to have that name has never even once called her stepson by his real name as a sign of Kunya because the name would have been her first child's had he lived!!!!!!!!!!!
One day I was walking with my first born inside my inlaws' compound and I had my arm draped round his shoulder, as I passed these old ladies chatting, they all went quiet, I continued to walk a few paces, but it was like I could feel these four pairs of eyes boring down my back. So I casually turned round and there they were staring at us because I had my arm around my seven year old son. So for the heck of it, I knelt down in front of my son and gave him a really big hug and a kiss, stood up and drew him tightly towards me and we continued on our way.
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Hmmmmm she laffs sum ppl dont even know how 2 du it fur-real, suna zaki fada point 4ward not "u know ur self"
lol..guilty conscience dey worry u? i meant the hataz naaaa... the people who want to condemn everything about being a northerner...when we got soooooo much to share and gist about...POSITIVE THINGS! hehe... they dont call ur name?? ?? ?? awwwwwww thats kute... i was really laffing! ;D
amin..thanx for the insight... :D
aunty ummul..i catch your drift.. my uncle was playing with his grand daughter a gidan biki.. and everyone thot it was kool that he played openely with his FIRST GRANDCHILD!!!!!
so.. something else about our culture... is.. kids calling their mothers "aunty", "umma", "yaya", "hajiya" and then them calling their fathers "bappa", "alhaji", and "am"...
i call my dad "bappa"... because we grew up with our older cousins calling him that...
and one of my aunts.. her kids call her "aunty".. i also have couple of friends who call their mom that...
i tried to explain this aspect of our culture to a friend and she could NOT understand.. she said it was a bad thing to deprive a child of the right to call his mom "mother"... i juss shrugged and laffed... i think its COOL! it also happens in India!
she laffs.....I juss layed bck & laffed.....neither did I say u was referin that 2 me,....I was juss like encouragin that u make ur reference public & directly 2 d northern haters....so that u gon get ur self in trouble...now how nyc cud I be givin u a bck bone! Now who guilty conciousyyyy pass! ewww some ppl go fit kill man pikin
Nah wat stands amusin is like this.........ur mum juss happens 2 meet a freind & u start callin her mam........
Or u pay a visit 2 ur freinds house & her siblings start callin u Aunty or Yaya........now how accomdatin is that! yaya from another mother & father ba...I think its juss that we r so courtecious & accomodatin that we even call our maiguards Kawu.........which is fair enuff.....
Gosh, gaskiya fa kuke fadi!! I was jus wondering my mum never call my name, kai even if u have 2 have the same name with moi, u are safe too!! Though I neva bother, and seems to enjoy it..
Yeah, when we were young the wife hardly calls her husband by his name sai dai ''baban wateva'', but this days, the women neva bothers, so very soon the mopthers too myte change or watcha think??????????
yes, that kunya abubuwa ya hade , da ma kar a dena , ko kuma mata su dena sai maza su fara yi lol! :o
Lallai this is soooooooo bahaushiya.maza su dauka?
Ddon allah ki dau kafar ki kije chit chat..go introduce you self for JJC section & meet the tightest crew..that without them this place aint nothing..(haba admin you know its true..don Allah admit it) & stop shaking your head. But BAHAUSHIYA I WISH YOU LUCK FOR CHIT CHAT PAGE!!! hmmmmmm. Another thing about northerners is ever wondered why this wasan kaka & jika takes place? this wasan kanin miji & yaran kannen mata. I so disagree with that wasan kaka, coz the last time, I had one with my granny, da tabani dundu..that old woman nearly broke my spine.....Kawar yar tsohuwata na cin zalina tana makalewa da wasan cika. but men she is the strongest old chick in town not to mention she is hot! ;D Zan iya samun ma kakata maigida anan wajen, don maigidanta Allah ya mai rasuwa tun kan inzo duniya. She is everymans dream ;D Just joking kwalelenku maza!
One of the strange thing about northerners that I have noticed is like when 2 the Mosque and u want to have a congregational prayer if u do not have a hat u would be pushed 2 the back and some1 at the back who has a hat would come in ur place.
Y they do that I shall never understand
Wallahi nima I wonder about that things...wai baza ka kira sunan dan farin ka ba...ko hira baza ta hada ku ba... ::) tabdi... ay wani abu mai kamar haka ma ba zai faru ba!! (hehehe)
my mum calls me by my name and if u see us muna hira, u'll think we r friends or sisters...not mother and daughter! and this is good coz u'll get to know one another sosai ba wani kunya tsakaninku.
But my grandmum....hmmm, ita ba ma dan fari ba, har second born dina bata fadi; both my mum and her sister! and my mum's sister tana da 'ya and they have same name, so when my grandmum wants to refer something to the girl she'll say "wannan 'yar yarinyar" ::)
if I wan do tsokana...sai nace mata wa fa? she'll just gaji and leave mi alone...
and as for the wasa btw kaka and jika..hehehe I do that sosai ma...with both my grandparents... I enjoy di tsokana... 8)
and yeah...the husband and wifey thing...it's kind of funny wai mace ba zata kira sunan mijinta ba!!! lallai ma... ;D
hafsy..........to sai wat in maza sun dauka? ........"to women cab do, men can do better" ;D .alrite zani amma sai na kwalli tukkuna .....don infito tas tas lol!
wetin be this kuma in mutum be sa hula ba a turashi baya ??? ikon God sai looking!
Guys.......
this is ladies stuff!
wha u doin in here
;)
QuoteOne of the strange thing about northerners that I have noticed is like when 2 the Mosque and u want to have a congregational prayer if u do not have a hat u would be pushed 2 the back and some1 at the back who has a hat would come in ur place.
Y they do that I shall never understand
LoL!! ashe an sha tura ka chan baya loooooool
To kai ma Venom mai zai kai ka Masallachi ba hula. :P Or is it all part of spreading ur venom to da ppl or wat. :P :P ;D
Anyway da first born naming thing, i think it's just da way ppl copy from their previous generation. Probably (Ihsan, Ummita, Kamee & all of u lot wondering) might me doing da same in few years to come. I'll be keeping ma ears opens. lol. ;D
lol Beebat...haba dai! wannan sai kakannin mu...dan kuwa ko iyaye basu yi... :)
Kunya is soooo cutee :-*
keep our culture alive, I no want hear any one of you
calling their husband, first child, inlaws,etc by their names
or else ;)
But honestly it sometime couse a lot of emotional problem for childrend,
cos they may be thinking why mummy didn't Love me,
So just do it right.:)
lol.. kunya is kute...haha...
talking about kunya... we no get that anymore oooo!!!... for example.. u'll see girls buying gifts for their boyfriend's mothers... or even calling them up and greeting them.. or even visiting them... :o
many people i talked to are so surprised and dissapointed.. hmm.. like this one girl i know.. she went to her fiancee's (at that time he wasnt even her fiancee for sure) house for gaisuwa... ::) everyone was juss eyeing her... and the man had a wife :-/
this is new culture with girls nowadays... Maza sun fi kunya yanzu...
WOW!!!!
u mean that really happened?
MAN am missin all tha fun!
am goin back home!
;)
Gurls! here i cooooome
lol... ali.. sorry for u....
i call my dad BAPPA... i have cousins who call their mother AUNTY... i have a friend who calls her mom YAYA... and friends who calls their dad AM...
now, i tried to explain this to a foriegn friend.. and she thinks that its bad... that a child shouldnt be deprived of the right to call his mother MAMA... and father BABA...
i told her.. hey.. its the way things roll in naija! ;D i think its kool!
Quote? ?To kai ma Venom mai zai kai ka Masallachi ba hula. :P Or is it all part of spreading ur venom to da ppl or wat. :P :P ;D
LOL LOL LOL its not like that I only like tried it about 3 times and all the time I went in with out a hat I was pushed 2 da back even 1 time I was like among the 1st 5 people 2 get in and then when it was time to pary the old people were like u have 2 move back and I was like Y and they said I do not have a hat ??? ??? ??? just cause I person does not have a hat does not mean that they cant stay in the front. It was even reproted that the prophet (S.A.W) 1s lead people in prayer without a hat. But of course if u try explainthat 2 the old people they would say that u r disrespecting them.
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boyfriend's mothers... or even calling them up and greeting them.. or even visiting them
I see no harm in that, that way they do get 2 know 1 another better
yeah i guess its ok... but still, i hear some grown ups complaining lol... "bata da kunya"
and i mean as in "over-calling"... and visiting tooo much, as in then the whole house gets tired of the girl...
akwai kahman kai, da reasonable kunya, amma, i guess kunya is slowly disappearing as the generation moves on... ;D
yah...I agree wid u queen. You know I have a friend who had a gurl, and like hi went to her house throughout the first week thy met, but the comedy was...till they departed, sh always comes to his house. His mom was like, what kinda budurwa is this???, but she doesnt even know it happens, he eventually got sick `n tired of her and....they r no more. She has lost alotta her pride not just to his family but to us all and all who knows dat. Its not that bad, but she did it too much... Haba mace da zuwa zance :o sounds akward too.
theeeereeeee we go!... u understand wut i mean.
wallahi.. i think its slolwy growing to be part of our culture...
Another strange thing out the Northerners is da whole issu of biki. I think that the whole issue of biki is pointless, when u do get married have a few friends over that would help share ur happiness and then every1 goes home full stop. But now adays it goes on 4 like a week or so.
???Dan fari ko Dan fari. light skin person or 1st born.
if u r talkin bout the 1st born, i will ask u 1st where do u guys
standard: supportin hausa culture or not.
i read ur comments on WAKOKIN HAUSA u guyz r saying that
what they r doin is bull sh*t, now u r condemin our kunyar
yan fari. i think they r ashame of da kid cos is white (fari) lol.
hey dont mind me. i feel like argueing lol ;D ;D
Quote Nah wat stands amusin is like this............I think its juss that we r so courtecious & accomodatin that we even call our maiguards Kawu.........which is fair enuff.....
lol lol lol
GUYS..............What is strange with regards to what venom said is; Imagine a guy who has been thorugh so much in courtship, times when a girl stood him up and all the wulakanci he will face after that he goes through much preparing for wedding, after he pruchases the bride ;D Bayan ya siya kuma ya bada dowry, after 10 set of parties &
luncheon he has done to make her happy after all the freinds he has invited, now the real problem is so-called kawaye will lock what he has shed sweat for ko a tura ta bayan daki wai baza kaga or speak to your mata ba not until kayi siyn baki even her baki ::) Imagine men!!! Isnt that too much. Nooooooo you dont even know what will come next! Men get prepared to start buying every part of the body..siyan baki, siyan kunni, siyan ido, siyan haunnu ::) strange! strange! strange! things in northerners never ends
Gaskiyar twinkle, Ana takura ma namiji dayawa besides ba al adah bane. ANiwayz, such iz life, huh?
lol Beebat...duk gaskiya ne abunda kika fadi...
Ibro, al'ada ne but not Addini :)
oh yeah... that one week wedding thing.. could be mostly to brag... maybe lol..
another thing growing to be part of our culture..
we got, ladies night, sisters night, mothers night, luncheon, dinner reception, etc etc...
but i think it makes it more interesing and memorable...
plus the groom must know that he juss cant get a wife like that.. he has to prove he can handle it lol... and he has to sweat small small.. ;D
Kai fyne dyme...I thought u are nicer than that! You wouldn` want ur husband to sweat, will u?
Eva wondered...........y sum1 has 2 take off shoes when greatin town elders or village elders? Experienced it onces.........& I taut oh...northern culture!! How weird!!!!!!!!:-/
QuoteKai fyne dyme...I thought u are nicer than that! You wouldn` want ur husband to sweat, will u?
well... before u take rose, na by force thorn go chook u...
lol.. ummita.. i didnt notice that tho.. but now that i think of it... lol, its true!
peeps take of their shoes juss to greet elderly people??????
meeennn.....i thought kneelin down was enough.... :-/
Quotemeeennn.....i thought kneelin down was enough.... :-/
lol.. kya gaya masu...
Kids of now adays na wa so just to kneel down for like 5 sec na prob for u people.
QuoteKids of now adays na wa so just to kneel down for like 5 sec na prob for u people. ?
LOL!!!!!!.....waT wiLL we Do then?? ??....Tha KneelinG dowN is ThA "noRmaL" waY of GreeTING.
aLL i LEarNEd was IF U are Goin IN someONes HOuse, THEN u reMove ur shOES, buT NOt when U want TO gREET someOne. :-/
Kai i dont think there is anywhere in the north where u have to remove shoe b4 greeeting the elders,unless if they are inside zaure and you want to pass through then you have to remove ur shoes and pass,but if they are outside i dont think so.
Well Kowa da ranarsa, Dattijan Garinku are moderate.
Gaskiya in our village that is what we do especially when you are greeting the villagehead or council of elders (mind you am not igbo but we have council of elders in my village);D
When you are married (I dont know if you are already) Akwai wasan kanin miji another strange interesting thing bout us.
I am not married but i dont like wasan kanin miji. :-X
Well Kowa da ranarsa, Dattijan Garinku are moderate.
Gaskiya in our village that is what we do esp when you are greeting the villagehead or council of elders (mind you am not igbo but we have council of elders in my village);D
When you are married (I dont know if you are already) Akwai wasan kanin miji another strange interesting thing bout us.
I am not married but i dont like wasan kanin miji. :-X
heyy u alllll............... u call all dis things STRANGE??????????????????? wow wow wow ......... ours is great great great nd da greatest........
Blieve it or not..............
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When you are married (I dont know if you are already) Akwai wasan kanin miji another strange ?interesting thing bout us.
yeah I heard of that too....mann I aint feelin that...its so so so wrong. Islamically ma how can ur bro inlaw or ur cousin inlaw be playin wit u and calling u ^MATARS^ or ^MATANMU^.....THATS just sick to the core! that ougtta be eliminated in the culture...
salam...
This is for the Notherners who wrote in this forum and somehow thaught that our culture is 'wierd' If you are not, you may skip it.
I think ya'll suck! (just an opinion)
You guys are not even ahamed of what you are saying about your cultures
What the Hell is wrong with kneeling down to greet your elders or removing your shoes when your are ENTERING INSIDE a place where they are? Perhaps you are in an environment where parents are not elders, where children make their choices no matter how evil they are, or in an environment where ''Freedom'' is the motto like Amrika.
Before you go far remember that your parents or grandparents ar even yourselves were raised in the north and with the culture.
Wasan kanin miji or what do you call it is not our culture. take note. That ppl do something dosn't mean its part of the culture......
shit I'm so pisssed off I can't write anymore but if you don't like something, better keep it to yourselves and don't come here and start bragging about the fact that you are in wherever you are or in a place without even culture.
Damn ya'll
That wasan kanin miji suppose to be abolished in our society,'cos it leds to many problems,sometimes they dangin miji or kanin miji will use that opportunity to tell u rubbish,or sometimes the kani will use that to be too overbearing on u,i hate it ,i hate it ihate it :-[ :-[ :-[
Quoteif you don't like something, better keep it to yourselves and don't come here and start bragging about the fact that you are in wherever you are or in a place without even culture.
Damn ya'll
A'aha! Here is a guy with a very short fuse. So you think they should keep quiet just cuz you don't like what they say? We do not subscribe to cencorship down here. If you want to impose such restrictions, go to AmbiOnline. Only abusive language is frowned upon at KanoOnline, and you are the one guilty of that.
Bottom line is; If you can't stand the heat, better get out of the kitchen.
If you can't stand the heat, better get out of the kitchen.
Ambi, if u dont hav an opinion develop one by admiring those who have their opinion.
If u dont like what somebody said just say your own or keep mute. :-X
Wasan kanin miji is our culture (unless u dont kno wat culture means) that we are all frowning at coz ta yi hannun riga with our religion.
I hate it :'( :'( :'(
kneel down and greet your elders...Removing your shoes...nobody said is bad...it is just weird... tell us what you think about it. Is welcome.
We have many culture that are very gud, but still there are some bad ones
One thing that is strange and interesting bout us again is "Cire Hakin Wuya" ::)
What will happen if i dont remove hakin wuyan my son?
QuoteThis is for the Notherners who wrote in this forum and somehow thaught that our culture is 'wierd' If you are not, you may skip it.
I think ya'll suck! (just an opinion)
You guys are not even ahamed of what you are saying about your cultures
What the Hell is wrong with kneeling down to greet your elders or removing your shoes when your are ENTERING INSIDE a place where they are? Perhaps you are in an environment where parents are not elders, where children make their choices no matter how evil they are, or in an environment where ''Freedom'' is the motto like Amrika.
Before you go far remember that your parents or grandparents ar even yourselves were raised in the north and with the culture.
Wasan kanin miji or what do you call it is not our culture. take note. That ppl do something dosn't mean its part of the culture......
shit I'm so pisssed off I can't write anymore but if you don't like something, better keep it to yourselves and don't come here and start bragging about the fact that you are in wherever you are or in a place without even culture.
Damn ya'll
u know this is another strange thing about the northerners..we hate the truth.(honestly).We always see the truth as an abuse......
so ambi please tell me that the northerners are perfect or tell me we dont have bad attitudes that deserve to be changed.
Zancen wasan kanin miji kuma noone can deny that it is our culture..
so please learn to accept criticisms else learn to keep your mouth shut ::)
The truth is not that the cultures are bad,some even neeed revival,but those to be identified with the culture are not happy 'cos of so-called momodernisation.
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shit I'm so pisssed off I can't write anymore but if you don't like something, better keep it to yourselves and don't come here and start bragging about the fact that you are in wherever you are or in a place without even culture.
Damn ya'll
WHOA!!!
somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning...
mann take ur anger to PLUTO mallam!
IN OUR CULTURE IT IS ALSO FROWNED UPON SUCH USAGE OF AGGRESSIVE WORDS......
OKAY AREWA CULTURE #1 FAN..PLS PRACTICE THAT ONE U MISSED OUT!
salam...
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What the Hell is wrong with kneeling down to greet your elders or removing your shoes when your are ENTERING INSIDE a place where they are? Perhaps you are in an environment where parents are not elders, where children make their choices no matter how evil they are, or in an environment where ''Freedom'' is the motto like Amrika.
Ambi ma dear? Wats up?U neva c buta 2 butter ur bread abi sand dey 4 ur Gari, boi or chill chillaps!....
Ok! lemme point that part 4 shoe take-offs! cuz I made mention of it......y wud u take shoes off 2 great elders? Islamically, it neva stated that one shud take shoes off wen greatin elders eg: u c ppl prostrating FLAT juss cus they r greatin d KING ::)....Wats up abou that 2 b proud of? Allah says du noy bow 2 no one xcept Allah. None iz superior 2 me, but heck! northerners fall flat, take shoes off, bow, shout praise words...juss cuss sum1 iz a lil superior 2 them......but in Gods face none iz superior but inferior 2 him....
Puhleeeeez I aint proud of that ....rather its sooo strange & ridiculuos!......We hav a very respectful way 2 great mummy 'n' baba but not 2 take shoes off! ::)
& if u say we all suck........so what? Duznt boda us...as u kan c....we will not dignify ur abuse with a response rather I will say take note wat gulfreind:fulanicious made mention of.
Finally u r really really welkom 2 d family Ambi....but d style needs 2 change ;)
Cire hakin wuya is good if you can have a good surgeon to perfome it,though i didn;t remove for my children ,yet i regretted not doing so,'cos almost all the time the place will swell up,and at alater stage the doctors have to advise on ot removal.so i dont think is something traditional.
Traditionally we have some cultures that are acceptable while some can be detrimental to our religious beliefs. The tradition of "cire 'yar wuya" could be ill concieved and against medical norms. It is scientifically called a "flap" that covers the windpipe opening when a substance is being swallowed. Removing it completely will obviously negate its function and ultimately cause problems to the victim. Therefore allowing it to remain where it was is better, or what do you think?
The issue of playing terms between a married woman and her husband's brother is only practiced for good relationship and understanding to be foatered within the family members. Which is in a way desireable if it will not exceed some bounds though. You see, " wasan kanin miji akwai dadi, idan kana nika ya hau baya"! ??? 8)
As for removing shoes and kneeling down, I believe that the practice only shows how much respect one has for his parents. Even religiously it is said that deeds are judged according to intentions, that is the intention one has before committing an act. It follows therefore that if a child kneels to greet his parents or teachers, his intention is just to show his respect to them only and not to "worship them as God" or demi gods. There are no limits to which children can go in showering their parents with respect. I think the practice should be acceptable, and not to be misconstrued as a kind of "worshipping" which is not what the person intended when kneeling down to greet his parents or teachers.
The other issue is the wearing of amulets ie laya, guru etc to act as a defence mechanism for its users. Is the practice wrong? Has these type of charms worked for anyone? Is it true that there are such charms for protection against knife's cut, gunshots etc? Let someone kindly throw more lights on this issue of amulets, please.
I dont know if anyone has noticed,but walking barefoot is one very strange culture of the northerners.
It used to be worse some years ago (early 90's) when you'll see dozens of children walking about with no shoes(do i make sense at all)..Thank God it's now rare thanx to the massive investments made in the rubber shoe industry.
If you've never noticed this strange culture of ours ,simply go to a local market in any part of the north and observe,you'll find out (to your surprise) that almost all the almajirai's and yan dako walk around barefooted......
Anyway,i'm not sure if this habit is only exhibited by the northerners but from the little places i've visited in nigeria i doubt if there's a place where this habit is displayed more than the north.......
P.S Don allah YAn kishin arewa dont think this post is in any way an abuse to the northerners.
Hey i'm back people
I read what ya'll wrote about my OPINION about your opinions. Remember what I wrote was my oppinion e.g that you should not write it here but rather keep it to yourselves. I didn't force you to write what I liked it was just my opinion and you should learn to accept them or not.
I still stand by my stand that some of you suck. You say stuff as if you are 'wise' or 'modernised.' Just think for a while and see what effects the west is having on us. Allah ya kiyaye if you guys are like one percent of the northern population then we are doomed.
Someone mentioned something about almajirais walking bare footed and attributing it to our culture. That was stupid. You see how ignorant some of you are. If people don't have enough money to buy shoes they will definitely walk bare footed wherever they are and that is not culture its just poverty.
About laya or amulets, thats NOT our culture because we only started when Islam came. What they usually write inside are words of God and verses from the holy Quran that performs some use to the user. Except if you are saying that Islam is the northern culture then why is amulets our culture.
Someone said that removing shoes and kneeling down to greet your elders is wierd. To be honest with you, you are wierd. Tell me how the people of the prophet Mohammad and the other prophets greeted them. Did they removed their shoe? did they knelt down? So that is part of the good manners that some of you lack and their is nothing wrong with that. Had it been that you didn't see the westerners greeting their elders without respect you would not have "opened" your stinking "mouths".
NOW BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE
Definitely somethings that are happeneing in the north are not good but that doesn't make them our culture as long as our ansenstors didn't do them. Is Selling pure water culture and wierd? or is opening a shop culture? those are things we see in the north but does this make them our culture?
Once again you guys need to look at yourselves from toe to hair and see what is wrong and how can it be corrected so you can think right.
ALL THESE ARE MY OPINIONS
An advice to you guys that live outside the North at least don't let other peoples way of life influence you life in a negative way.
PEACE!
you have a gr8t mind
QuoteI dont know if anyone has noticed,but walking barefoot is one very strange culture of the northerners.
Man this was not a northern culture thing it was poverty that made people to walk without shoes.
QuoteSomeone mentioned something about almajirais walking bare footed and attributing it to our culture. That was stupid. You see how ignorant some of you are. If people don't have enough money to buy shoes they will definitely walk bare footed wherever they are and that is not culture its just poverty.
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Man this was not a northern culture thing it was poverty that made people to walk without shoes.
Yes i agree it could be poverty.but i've seen children playing with nintendo gameboys and still walking barefoot........also we r not the poorest people abi? ? ? ?
QuoteI dont know if anyone has noticed,but walking barefoot is one very strange culture of the northerners.
It used to be worse some years ago (early 90's) when you'll see dozens of children walking about with no shoes(do i make sense at all)..Thank God it's now rare thanx to the massive investments made in the rubber shoe industry.
;D ;D
Haba goga this has nothing to do with culture,is poverty,yes alot of people cant afford to buy shoes for their children,sometimes you will find that they have only one rubber slippers and they wear it if only they are going somewhere,or during sallah,had it being that is our culture you wouldn't find children wearing shoes during festive periods,
i have been observing this interesting subject & enjoying it seriously.
i think d proper way to great ppl is by a simple handshake.
4 amulets it is very bad.
what needs to be done wid d controversial aspect of d culture is to compare it wid Islam, what is not acceptable wid d religion should be dumped into the bin...........period.
ppl should pay their zakkat to reduce d poverty
Ambi please please kno that nobody is against you so dont make it personal. we are only tring to interrelate. What woul;d have made say we have stinking mouth. I believe you lied 8).
Back to the points; Gogannaka I agree with you 100% that moving around bare footed is part of us. If someone is in doubt let him visit the emir's palace. the emir's bodyguards (dogarai) are not allowed to wear shoes cos that will equals them to the emir, so u see is a sign of honour for someone to wear shoes. thae traits can also be observed among some common masses, in some parts of old cities you noticed old pple moving around bare footed. I my agree poverty has something to do with it nowadays.
even the almajirai that are mentioned...okay we do wear shoes please Ambi tell me almajiranci is not peculiar to Notherners. go ahead and tell me it is also good.
regarding the way the Prophet (SAW) and his sahaba greeted each other refer to Quran. did nt Allah(SWT) said when we are greeting each other we should say Assalamu alaykum? Allah (SWT) even refered to it as 'tahiyatun minallahi" (greeting from Allah). the reply is also mentioned in the same book..."reply exactly or with something better..." well no mention of bowing down let alone removing ones shoes. if we remove our shoes in greeting someone, i am not suprised it is part of our culture not to wear shoes ;D.
amulets...mhnnnn when is it borrowed from islam? the truth is that northerners used to do all those kind of magic, until when they accepted islam they simply "islamised" it and subsituted their funny picturess and tables with ayats from the holy book.
as you said we lack manners i quite disagree with you. we are just trying to follow our religion and to correct what we percieved as wrong with our brothers with good dialogue not insults...infact we are the best set of mankind as "we command what is good and forbid what is bad..."
with love to our dear friend Ambi
Kai! Wallahi nothing strange. But very interesting. This is our sweet, adorable, humble, gata and refined culture. " makafo ya so tsegumi" it sims u du nut belong tu d dan fari princely class.
A bari ya huce shi kan kawo rabon wani. Lets keep our culture alive.
It has positive effect on the first child in that he feels respected. Mind u his opinions and views are always respected. The child grows up with dignity and sense of responsibility for the whole family especially the younger wans.
THE WAY THE OFFICE OF UWARGIDA WAS POLITICED IN NORTHERN NIGERIA,I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING,I REALLY LIKE IT,IT MEANS EVEN IF YOUR HUSBAND MARRIES ANOTHER THREE WIVES YOU WILL STILL BE THE OGA KWATA-KWATA OF THE HOUSE INTERESTING :P :P
Thank you KILISHI. You se what I mean. A good view. Our emirs and and traditonal title holders at least in the north, you will agree with me are all first in the male lineage. Thats our culture.
Kilishi! Kilishi!! Kilishi!!! ????
Can you post me one piece?
Missed Fyne Dyme.........
ANYWAY, EVA WONDERED WHY HAUSA MEN LIKE TO VISIT THEIR GIRLFREINDS AT NIGHT AND MOSTLY ACCOMPANIED BY ANOTHER FREIND, THOUGH THAT TREND IS FAST FADING FOR FEAR THAT TOMOROW EHN FREIND GO BECOME YUWA GELFREIND HUBBY!
BUT SERIOUSLY, I WANT KNOWING, WHY DO MEN VISIT GIRLS TO CHAT THEM UP AT NIGHT? :? [/b]
Because you girls dont look that hot at 6.30 in the morning, and besides they say all cats are grey in......... :D
Cos during the day it is expected that any responsible man is at gona, kasuwa ,kiwo etc.
Plus the night time is more codusive(as opposed to hot sun during the day) and provides more privacy.....
But i can't really phantom we the have to go along with an amini.
Oh yeah, why is it also that the babe and the guy refer to themselves in the 3rd person and the amini is the only one who refers to them directly? :? :?
I thiunk it is probably because we are biologically programmed to have sex and sleep with the partner we have had sex with so there is probably a subconscious predisposition in all of us (not just Hausa men)to seek out the opposite sex at night.
At my advanced stage however I would have to admit that sex at anytime of the day or night would be an exciting prospect.
Quote from: "Dave_McEwan_Hill"I thiunk it is probably because we are biologically programmed to have sex and sleep with the partner we have had sex with so there is probably a subconscious predisposition in all of us (not just Hausa men)to seek out the opposite sex at night.
At my advanced stage however I would have to admit that sex at anytime of the day or night would be an exciting prospect.
moral of the story? :roll:
i don't think u read the title of the thread
Quote from: "zizo"Oh yeah, why is it also that the babe and the guy refer to themselves in the 3rd person and the amini is the only one who refers to them directly? :? :?
lol..pardon me,but i had to laugh at that..we sure are full of al'ada or it's innate? and i thought gestures like these has since become history.
Quote from: "arubuta"i have been observing this interesting subject & enjoying it seriously.
i think d proper way to great ppl is by a simple handshake.
4 amulets it is very bad.
what needs to be done wid d controversial aspect of d culture is to compare it wid Islam, what is not acceptable wid d religion should be dumped into the bin...........period.
ppl should pay their zakkat to reduce d poverty
Exactly:co-signs.
Dan kauye
No moral to the story.
Just responding to Hafsy Lady's last question
Hehe, about the shoe removal thing, If we want to go into our grandfathers
main house, we have to remove our shoes from around the main kofa. Or
else... One old, frail and angry dogari dressed in da most awful color riot
possible will insult da living daylight out of us. he'd start recalling how our
fore fathers did this and that, how they wudn't dare disrespect him, how
he'd lay his life for the honour bla bla bla ...Anyways, sometimes we just
leave our shoes on to see his reaction, it's entertaining. :lol: I don't mind
taking shoes off to greet elders tho.
Some very strange things about Northeners...This happened to me a few years ago.
There was a special event in my extended family and everyone was in
town: uncles aunties, cousins, nieces, nephews e.t.c. Anyways, My
birthday was also around that season. On that day i was about to go out
and i bumped into my dad and 2 of his younger brothers in da living
room, he wished me happy birthday and gave me a present. I was very
happy and i hugged him (As per normal thing) and happily walked out of
the house. 1 of my uncles smiled and wished me happy birthday too, but
da other one didnt say anything.
Now i didn't think it'll be a big deal, neither did i think i had done anything
wrong. Ashe he was harbouring it inside. I came home in the evening and
received the biggest UWAKI I have ever received in my
life. Uncle Grumpy waited for my Dad to leave da house so that he could
shout at me for hugging my own biological father! If i hugged someone
else, then i can understand, but my dad is my mahramm, what's wrong
with that?
If you see da kind shoutings i received, u'd think i did something so
shameful to the family. Why is it such a big deal? In my immediate
family, it is a normal thing, i hug my mum, my dad my siblings. Infact it's
a normality.
Why is this family-bonding-gesture frowned upon in our beloved society?
Cabdi! Wa yaga kudu da arewa!!!
Ni I was thinking that yr uncle must be way older than yr dad. Their outlooks are so radically different. One liberal and one traditional. Sai hakuri. Bayadda zamuyi da iyayen mu.
Ni kuma one of my dad's wives, when she was expecting her first child, my dad decided on a name that he was going to give the child and told it to her. Unfortunately, she had a stillborn. When one of his other wives gave birth to a boy, he named that kid the name that was supposed to have been for the kid of the other wife. Har yau after 23yrs, she has never once called that guy by his sunan yanka because it would have been the name of her first born.
Quote from: "fateez"....you see da kind shoutings i received, u'd think i did something so
shameful to the family. Why is it such a big deal? In my immediate
family, it is a normal thing, i hug my mum, my dad my siblings. Infact it's
a normality.
Why is this family-bonding-gesture frowned upon in our beloved society?
I have a Senegalese step-mother and whenever her peoples come around there is alot of hugging and kissing going on amongst
maharrams and non-
maharrams.Initialy we were shocked to wittness this strange
al-ada(including other stranger stuff) but now it has become less shocking.
The funny thing is that now,some members of the family (the Nigerian part) are comfortable with huggin and kissing strangers from senegal though they still draw the line when it comes to them showing their'affection' in such a manner towards nigerian members of the family.
Talk of double standards.
But me im your grumpy-uncle-kinda-guy.
We should respect and preserve our tradition's high sense of decency.
Quote from: "HUSNAA"Cabdi! Wa yaga kudu da arewa!!!
Ni I was thinking that yr uncle must be way older than yr dad. Their outlooks are so radically different. One liberal and one traditional. Sai hakuri. Bayadda zamuyi da iyayen mu.
Ni kuma one of my dad's wives, when she was expecting her first child, my dad decided on a name that he was going to give the child and told it to her. Unfortunately, she had a stillborn. When one of his other wives gave birth to a boy, he named that kid the name that was supposed to have been for the kid of the other wife. Har yau after 23yrs, she has never once called that guy by his sunan yanka because it would have been the name of her first born.
Sad case Husnaa :( .
zizo,
QuoteI have a Senegalese step-mother and whenever her peoples come around there is alot of hugging and kissing going on amongst maharrams and non-maharrams.
Initialy we were shocked to wittness this strange al-ada(including other stranger stuff) but now it has become less shocking.
The funny thing is that now,some members of the family (the Nigerian part) are comfortable with huggin and kissing strangers from senegal though they still draw the line when it comes to them showing their'affection' in such a manner towards nigerian members of the family.
Talk of double standards.
But me im your grumpy-uncle-kinda-guy.
We should respect and preserve our tradition's high sense of decency.
I don't think it's necessarily double standards zizo. Its just about accepting/adapting to other peoples' cultures while keeping your own. Last summer I lived in Quebec and the people being French also have this custom of kissing on the cheek b/w the sexes esp. among adults. I had little problem doing this, but that does not mean that I will start doing the same to my sister or mother, no way! That said, I obviously do not have any Quebecois in my extended family!
I think culture is something that evolves. Pick the good parts of others/keep the good parts of ours ans leave the bad.
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Sad case Husnaa :( .
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It is this ridiculous culture of not calling the name of yr first born bcos u have to show modesty (which kind I wonder?) amongst Hausa Fulani. It serves little purpose and can actually be destructive. Its destructive element comes when one must not be seen to be interacting with one's first born in public. Some women never interact with their eldest children at all, even in private. The child is thus deprived of his mother's affections for no reason whatsoever, and I am sure there must have been many a kid who felt bewildered at being rejected or totally ignored by his mother when he went looking for some warmth from her.
A mother's (practical) love is important for the mental health and welbeing of a child. I used to hear a saying that 'yayan fari dolaye ne' translated 'First borns are dim' (intelligence wise). I think there is an element of truth in this with regards to the Hausa Fulani society because the way first borns are treated by their mothers must surely stunt their mental growth.
QuoteI don't think it's necessarily double standards zizo. Its just about accepting/adapting to other peoples' cultures while keeping your own. Last summer I lived in Quebec and the people being French also have this custom of kissing on the cheek b/w the sexes esp. among adults. I had little problem doing this, but that does not mean that I will start doing the same to my sister or mother, no way! That said, I obviously do not have any Quebecois in my extended family!
I think culture is something that evolves. Pick the good parts of others/keep the good parts of ours ans leave the bad.
1. I have always thought it deceitful(not to mention perplexing) to apply a set of values and attitudes to one set of people and another to others. Agreed there are some practices hat a person could overlook and even perform when he/she is in the midst of a society other than his/hers but there some which are definitely objectionable to his/her culture, like in the case of us Hausa-Fulani, all aspects of our(and other) cultures that do not clash with our religious beliefs are tolerable but outlawed when the reverse is the case.
2. To accept/adapt to other peoples' cultures without necessarily putting them into practice is one thing and actually performing the unfamiliar culture is another.
3. I agree culture should be allowed to evolve for the better but the problem lies with agreeing on the what the criterion should be for assessing decide good or bad.
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