aight...check dis... i need lists of Northerners... ANY!!!!! who has influenced Nigeria, Africa, or Earth!!!!!!...
i'm tired of *some* southerners thinkin' we all illetrates and we aint got nuthin' to show... sun rayna mana wayo, wallah, and its time to show 'em, HANDS DOWN, we got whut it takes!
Plz... i would like to start a sumthin like a webpage, or paper on Northern Stars!!!!!
a beg... Uncle Salisu, Uncle DK, Amin, Abdallah, Hamza >:(, Fulanicious, Ihsan, Ummita, Gimbiya, Ice,.... (in short)... EVERYONE!!!!!
Name people, political figures, poets, writers, novelists, kings, queens, cheifs, diplomats, farmers, engineers, lawyers, judges, justices, millionaires...
It can be ur pops, moms, bro, sis, uncle, aunty, cousin, friend, enemy, etc etc....
then info on whut they accomplished/are doing... basically whut they are doing/have done for Nigeria as a nation, Africa as a continent, and Earth as....well, the world...
Northern Stars have GOT to shyne....... it's our time (wait a min...it's always been us shining ;D )
u catch mah drift ko?...... plzz... help a sistah out...
*BUTif there's already a site like this.. ::).. gimme the webpage... cuz i need to edumacate mah sef a bit on ya'll....
dan Fodio is one.
well they must be kiddn' themselves. I know that in washington DC every time a southner see me and ask me some silly questions they tend to be shock. so I ask them why all the surprises, most of them say well you know you are the first hausa girl I've seen since I have been to this coutry, well there's alot of us. for example
Salisu Danyaro --- Kanoonline webmaster and other websites
Jibril Aminu --- Nigerian ambassador to the U.S. also a very well known doctor
Mr U Abba-Gana --- managing director, nigerian petroleum
Aliko gote ---Managing Director Nigerian Textiles Mills Plc in Nigeria
Dr. A Dantata---Chairperson Express Petroleum and Gas Company in Nigeria and also Chairperson Northern Nigeria Flour Mills Plc in Nigeria
Dantatas'---
Abdulmumin Aminu --- former NFA chairman and current WAFA president
Mr U Abba-Gana ---Managing Director African Petroleum Plc in Nigeria
Mr A Abubakar --Managing Director Nigerian Universal Bank Ltd in Nigeria, Vice President Government of Nigeria in Nigeria
President A Abubakar Chairperson National Privatisation Council in Nigeria
Mr M Abubakar ---Chairperson Cement Company of Northern Nigeria Plc in Nigeria
Mr Y Abubakar---Chairperson NAL Merchant Bank in Nigeria
Mr H Adamu ---Minister of Environment
Maryam Fagge ---Software Engineer at U.S. Dept of Housing and Urban Development
Mr. A Gumi ---Managing Director Nigeria Arab Bank Ltd in Nigeria
Sarki Ado bayero --- emir of Kano state[\color]
my list is really long so I will continue on addin'
asha ruwa lafiya
Queen wallahi they Southners knew that we are not Illetrate, they always said that to relieve their anger, Frustrated *BLEEP*>:(
And they Northners who has influenced Nigeria,-----Sure the list will be endless but here are some:-
Ahmadu Bello
Tafawa balewa
General yakubu gawan
Shehu shagari
Genaral mohd Buhari
Mallam Aminu Kano
Mohammed Abubakar rimi
Isyaka rabi'u
Hajiya Asabe reza
Dr lema jibril
Hajiya laila dogon yaro
General Sani Abacha
General Ibrahim babangida
sule lamido
more to come Inshah Allah,
ok... people like ibb and abacha... u know whut the southerners will say!!!...
thanx tho... i need more!!
talk about people who sponsor other kids to go to school.. NOVELISTS? hausa and english literature.. etc etc...
intellectuals.... u know?...
and ice... plz.. whut did the people u mentioned do?..or are doing?
Well seems everyone cumz in a pck. If its of eni interest 2 u, visit homepages!!!...like...(tell u laterz ;)).. How about Abdullah Wase, even though he is a goner (may his soul rest in peace) he's made changes as well. Take Queen Amina, first chick 2 lead an empire of northern warriors. Heard Munira Marwa owns a chieftaincy but then, is she a northerner?!!! Nope..Obviously not...Who else..that Aisha Orange (lemu) if my memories ryt? I think she is an author/novelist... Tell me am ryt Dyme!! Beloved preachers who have helped lead us on d ryt track, when sum were on d wrong track......say.... Kalarawi...Mallam Jafar........... mhmm laterz!! That shud du 4 now.
um... ummi sweetie... i think aisha lemu is british.. na white lady oh..*unless i'm mistaken*
and as for the others... ya'll need to be specific!
oh yeah.. Queen Amina is mos def in!.. my aunt told meeh bout her.. and i was shocked i never got to learn about her.. :-/ but now.. i'm researching on her.. and luvin' the babes attitude!
and whut about Yusuf M. Adamu.. i juss came across him in AfricanResource.com.... check this...
BRAVE CAPTAINS
-for Sarkin Musulmi Attahiru I
he knew they were coming
read it in books
heard their request
knew they are liars
not trustworthy
the maxim guns they have
the superior army well trained
they rape and exploit
enslave and domesticate
nations of people and empires
there can never be truce
would never have honoured it
he cannot believe them
to come and misrule his people
maxim gun he hasn?t got
can he remain on the throne?
with those who have faith in him
migrated towards the east
to meet the reformer in the sudan
they can gather force
to re-conquer what was to be conquered
soon understood the danger
mobilized men and guns
at burmi, the captains fought gallantly
an attempt to safeguard a faith
to re-make history about to drain
maxim gun was strong
a nation fell to them
the caliph was killed
we shall forever celebrate your valour
share your faith in freedom
admire your courage and will
bravery we shall forever remember
we need to have among us
someone who shall also repeat your words
Ba ni biyar annasara
For our glory has fallen and broken
16-5-1999
and who is the Sarki he's talkin' bout?
Is it!!! Aisha Orange is British!! Really. Ok fair enuf.. amman idan dai tana da blood bank na blacks & from d northern aweraz then classify her as one!!! Laterz babes
Aisha Lemu was Formerly known as Bridget A. Honey, an English Muslim who accepted Islam in 1961). she is married to Dr. Sheikh Ahmed Lemu they also have a son name Nuraddin which they are also wirters.
-Gimbiya
Thnx Queeny
Salam, We have novelists like,ALHAJI ABUBAKAR IMAM,Magana Jarice, Ruwan Bagaja.ALHAJI AUWAL HAMZA, LOVE PATHS. ALHAJI MAGAJI MUAZU mni, Ubandoman Gombe. Federal Commissioner Revenue Mobilisation Allocation and Fiscal Commission.Former Minister Second Republic,Onetime Auditor General North/East.DR ISMAIL ABUBAKAR TSIGA author of the books, WHERE I STAND biography of LATE ABUBAKAR GUMI,ADVENT OF KNOWLEDGE AND RELIGION INTO NORTHERN NIGERIA.
Alhaji Bashir Tofa is also a novelist
Hajiya Gambo Sawaba who was a prominent politician,
Alh Ibrahim Tahir.Talban Bauchi,Minister of the second republic
Alh Ahmed Abdulkadir,Ex Governor of the CBN
Alh Yerima Abdullahi,Sarkin Bai Gombe,Minister Under Buhari and Ambassador to Malaysia
Alh Yakubu Wanka,Wazirin Bauchi,Ex Dir.Currency Operations CBN
Gen Buba Marwa ,Ex Gov of Lagos n Borno states
What about ppl like
-Dr lirwan lukman, President Adviser on petroleum matters,
-Aliyu Attah , former inpector general of police
-{FEDECO}Secretary Alhaji Ahmed kurfi
-Alhaji shehu kaikai, Defunt national Electoral commission
-Garba Lawan, Nigerian striker
-Alhaji M.D Yusuf, Arewa consultative farum
Salam y'all,
U GUYS HEARD OF THIS FROM KANO WHO IS THE SECOND HIGHEST PAID FOREGNER IN THE US?!!
HE'S A DOCTOR !!! ( DOING SUM RESEARCH OR SO...) HIS NAME IS SARKI ABBAS
QuoteAlhaji Bashir Tofa is also a novelist
is that the guy who ran against abiola? is he still alive? his books would be...??
hello,
I don't think Sarki Abba is the higest paid foriegner in the U.S. He is not a doctor also.He
If you want to know about peoples from the North who are extremely intelligent let me tell you about Salime Ali Salim. He came to the United States from Kano and was so intelligent and hard working that he got three degrees in only two years with a perfect score. No one inside the United States or from any country outside the United States has ever done this before. While here in the United States, he worked for many charities helping young and old. He was only 32 years old. He passed away in May 2002 from Brain Cancer, but everyone should look at him as someone very important. He proved that the people from Kano are extremely intelligent, hard working and caring individuals. He had no prejudices and loved all people. Too bad all of us can't put aside our differences ad appreciate and love others the way this man from Kano, Nigeria did. ;D
Kristal I think a read your story some where,
My condolence for the lost of your great friend.
And Nice to know that he was Brilliant.
Thank you. My point though was that there are a lot of Nigerian men from the North who are intelligent, hard working, and caring of others. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in the famous or those who have been published or celebrated that we forget the regular man who is really the heroes of the country. The individual who takes care of those he loves and even those he may not know by doing good works. Salime was this kind of man. And there are many other men from Northern Nigeria who are just like him. They work hard and take care of their families and those they love. They are the real heroes that need to have their names revered. ::) I love the Nigerian peoples and ALL those I have had the unique opportunity to get to know are special and all are extremely intelligent. Having worked at a university here in the States and bringing many peopes from other countries, I can honestly say that those persons from Northern Nigeria are to be commended for their faith, fairness to others, honesty, intelligence, diligence, and care toward others.
Prof. Abubakar Sani Sambo,Vice Chancellor Abubakar Tafawa Balewa University Bauchi
Hajiya Fati Muazu, Federal Commisioner Independent National Electoral Commission
Justice Dahiru Saleh,Chief Judge FCT
Justice Mohammed Lawal Uwais, Chief Justice of the Federation
Prof. Musa Shehu , NPI
Alh Aminu Saleh, EX Secretary to the government of the federation
KamSalem,Ex Inspector General
Ibrahim Commasie,Inspector General
Muhammadu Maccido Sultan
Ibrahim Dasuki Former Sultan
Maryam Abacha
Hassan Sani Kontogora,Publisher Hotline Magazine
DR Wada ,Founder Premier Hospitals , Famous for their test tube babies
Ozomajority(LOL),Ogan yaran KD for Gwaggs
SMILE KRISTAL, SHYNE ON!
YEAH WE GOT LUTTA HEROZ REPRESENTIN....AND INSHA ALLAH THE LIST WILL ALWAYZZZ GO ON AND ON AND WILL NEVER STOP!!!!! AMEEN.... BOUT TYME DA PLAYA HATERZ GIVE IT UP! WHO EVER AND WHERE EVER THEY ARE!
Thats really Lovely Kristal :D
Thank you.
Hello All.
First of all, i tend to view sucess based on shrewed business craftship, educational achievement then may be exceptional public service.
If this were to be adapted as a yardstick to zance,
Uthman Dan Fodio
Nana Asmau (bint Uthman dan fodio)
Prof Iya Abubakar
Prof Jubril Aminu
Prof Umaru Shehu
Justice Bashir Sambo (rtd)
Alh A Dantata
Aliko Dangote
Alh Maitama Sule
Aminu Kano
Abdurrahman Okene
Gen MUrtala
Gen Buhari
HRH Ado Bayero
Prof Naibi Suleman (RIP)
and without arrogance, my dear father, a Harvard trained lawyer & lecturer- Prof Yadudu.
My entrances are partial in that they form a mossaic through which I define success in their relative fields of expertise.
I will continue when I compile a larger political insensitive list.
Note: Kameel, DR Sarki is indeed a doctor but not the highest paid alien in the US. He is nonetheless very intelligent in that he had the best result in WAEC history! My regards to Habeeb, I saw his reporting on New-Nigerian regarding the Kaduna Imbroglio
2) Kristal, this is Muhammad from Boston, I presume you have not forgot me. I ?should have added your Husband's name to my entry perhaps at a latter date. May he rest in peace.
Bissalam.
How 'bout LATE YAR'ADUA. He did live a legendary life !!!
well I will add :
DANKABO--- CEO of KABO Air
Uhm..err Dr. Ihsan here ;D
Anyway... who else isn't mentioned ::) oh yeah,
A. Abdulkadir Dantata (Dantata and Sawoe)
ok... I'm out of names...later maybe Insha Allah.
i'm juss wondering... ::) would abacha and ibb really qualify?... i'm juss askin' ya'll...
1. Dr. Abdulkadir Sarki Abba
Finished Science Secondary School, Dawkin Tofa with 9 A's actually scored 519 in 600 marks of six subjects viz; Mathematics, English, Chemistry, Biology, Physics and Geography. Finished SBS with 16 points (Triple A) in Chemistry, Biology, Physics. Finished as best medical student of Medcine in ABU in 1990. He is now a doctor in the U.S.
Dr. Abba is trully a Northern Star
Dr. Abba Babandi
Finished from Science Secondary School Dawakin Kudu. A leading computer science doctor in Canada.
Alh. Misbahu El-Yakub
The first person to make a first class in physics in ABU.
Dr. Abubakar Gimba
Former President of the Association of Nigerian Authors and a writer of many novels.
Sheikh Abubakar Gummi
Receipient of King Faisal Award for the Hausa Translation of the Holy Qur'an.
Professor Jibril Aminu
Best Medical Student of Uniife(OAU)
Alh. Mohammad Kari
Youngest MD/CEO of the biggest insurance company in Africa NICON Insurance.
and so on. I will be updating from time to time.
oh thats lovely... thanx!!!
Well,the list will be endless,what of yara manyan gobe ;D.Amma muna so muji what do they really contribute to the devolopment of northen Nigeria,or to shorting it, to their constituency,gaskiya ina jin da kyar a samu mutum ashirin cikin wa'yanda kuka lissafa da yayi wani abin muzo mu gani ga marasa galihu na arewa ko kuma dalibai masu ilmi wa'yanda basu da gata,what we are interested in, is not their own personal achievements but the assistance rendered to the less priveleged.
Sau da yawa zaka ga cikin mutum dari na 'yan kudu dake karatu kashi sittin daga ciki masu kudin su ne suka biya musu,mu kuma anan arewa in badai lokacin da suke bukata a yi musu wani abu ba basa tunawa da talakawa >:(,sai dai kaji ance sun zama kaza a America ko Canada ko wani foreign country, shi talaka ina yaga halin haduwa dasu? :'( :-X
Having a Dr's Degree does not make people a Northern Star. because must of those Drs living abroad have not done a single thing to their country. they got their Degrees broad and remain there, So how can we call such a Northern Star?
Northern Star are they people who make a great contribution towards the development of the North or Nigeria in general. In one way or the other.
SO KNOW WHO YOU MENTION.
Quotei'm juss wondering... ?::) would abacha and ibb really qualify?... i'm juss askin' ya'll...
If there's anyone that deserves to be in this after Sardauna,it should be Abacha
that's right Ice!!!
@walee..... why'd u say that?...
larinski... check this man out....
Abubakar III, Sir Siddiq (1903-88)
Nigerian Muslim leader, Sultan of Sokoto.
Born at Dange, on 15th March 1903, same day on which the British finally subdued the Sokoto Caliphate...
Son of Usman Shehu, grandson of Mu'azu, direct descendent of Usman Dan Fodio...
Had Islamic Education...
Held several administrative posts before succeeding his uncle, Hassan Ibn Muazu, at age of 35...
1931, he was appointed a local authority councillor of the Sokoto Native Administration...
Head of Talata Mafara...
He distinguished himself by his administrative competence and the able way he dealt with appeals from traditional courts and supervised district and village heads...
Sardauna of Sokoto until 17 June 1938, when he became Sultan Abubakar III...
As the 17th Sultan of Sokoto and Sarkin Musulmi, he became the most important Islamic personality south of the Sahara, and highly respected....
Leader of 50million adherents of the Islamic faith in West Africa...
Although he did not occupy a visible political position in Nigeria, his de facto political influence was considerable and through out his life he worked towards the promotion of Nigeria's unity, he used his decisive influence over public affairs for the political abd social advancement of Nigeria as one nation...
He contributed a great deal to the maintainance of order and calm among the population of the then Northern Region after the 1966 coup in which Sir Ahmadu Bello was killed...
During the civil war, he helped to mobilise men for the Federal forces...
Abubakar saw the development of his country in a different light from many of his more conservative co-religionists...
He encouraged further education for females and voting for women in purdah, and urged the liberation of women in these respects. As a result the Women Teacher's Training College in Sokoto was founded...
His faith in and identification with the quest for knowledge led to his appointment as Chancellor of the University of Nigeria, Nsukka, whish awarded him an honorary LLD degree...
During his life, however, Abubakar, in common with other traditional rulers, witnessed several inroads into his power base, such as loss of control over the local courts, prisons, and police...
But because of his mature outlook he did not allow these developments to affect his concern for the welfare of his people...
He saw these changes as inevitable in the wider context of the country's politics and in the overall interest of Nigeria's development...
When Northern People's Congress was formed in 1951 and his support was needed to launch the new party and mobilise the Northern people for the independence movement, he readily gave it.
Abubakar took the post of Minister withough Portfolio in the Northern Regional Government in order to give the new administration headed by Sir Ahmadu Bello.
He stood head and shoulders above the politicians of all hues, in a way that allowed him to be accessible to all.
When party politics became relly devisive he stepped out of it to safeguard his role as the spiritual leader, but continued to be looked up to by other leaders on certain governmental issues.
He was knighted by the British in 1944 and after Nigeria attained independence was made Grand Commander of the Order of Niger by the Federal Government.
He had great love of poetry and, as a traditionalist, kept the culture of his people alive while recognising the need to develop their potential and achieve progress in the modern world.
He ruled the emirate for one of the longest reigns in its history, from 17 June 1938 to 1 November 1988 when he died, having celevrated only four months earlier his fiftieth year in the throne.
He left behind 52 children and 320 direct grandchildren.
Sultan Abubakar III is best remembered by his compatriots as a religious leader who rose above the religious dissensions of his day and through out his life played the role of peace-maker and father of all.
source: Makers of Modern Afri
ETRACTED FROM DYMES STATEMENT::
Nigeira, Africa, or Earth!!!!!!...
i'm tired of *some* southerners thinkin' we all illetrates and we aint got nuthin' to show... sun rayna mana wayo, wallah, and its time to show 'em, HANDS DOWN, we got whut it takes!
Well 2 me Dyme, honetly I c no reason y u shud worry about wat d sourtherners think.
The southerners think we r illetrate, so we act illetrates to confirm their prejudices. Then we reveal ourselves as intelligent, and by doing so, subvert the prejudice more effectively that we would with an immediate barrage of intellect-which only causes confusion & untimately resentment, there by makin them d illertates............ :D U c no worries....we betta pass them
Every body seems to forget this group of super star Northerners
Dr. Salisu Danyaro founder Kanoonline etc
Dr. Ismail Iro founder gamji.com
Magaji Galadima coordinator/sponsor gamji.com
Muhammad Hashim Gumel Founder gumel.com
or what do you say oh fine queen??????
hahah.. tru talk @ ummita
yeah amina, i guess u can say so... :)
How about you name any that's not a political appointee?
And yes since I have been in the States I have only met one hausa person.
Wake up! 'Cos you must be dreaming. You call people that would go on rampage simply because a newspaper writer (not even the editor) wrote something allegedly blasphemous about a prophet? Clearly some people can't differentiate between what's reported in a newspaper and the paper's position on an issue. And even if the paper supported the writer, is that cause enough to start MURDERING innocent people? Did Mr. Joe Brown on the street write the article?
QuoteETRACTED FROM DYMES STATEMENT::
Nigeira, Africa, or Earth!!!!!!...
i'm tired of *some* southerners thinkin' we all illetrates and we aint got nuthin' to show... sun rayna mana wayo, wallah, and its time to show 'em, HANDS DOWN, we got whut it takes!
Well 2 me Dyme, honetly I c no reason y u shud worry about wat d sourtherners think.
The southerners think we r illetrate, so we act illetrates to confirm their prejudices. Then we reveal ourselves as intelligent, and by doing so, subvert the prejudice more effectively that we would with an immediate barrage of intellect-which only causes confusion & untimately resentment, there by makin them d illertates............ :D U c no worries....we betta pass them
hmm.. u dis pesin.. wheytin be ur own..?
i have seen a lot of nigerians, but they fail to recognize meeh as one!.. and i bet u've seen a lot of northerners walk by, ya'll just fail to recognize us. that's all...
are u aware that Hausa books are being read all over the world?? ?? someone told meeh about the book "maganan jarice" or something like that..... and i'm gonna get it!
the North has excellent diplomats being awarded prizes and recognized in other countries...
look, this wont take us any where.... there are luts of people worth praising all over the world... so juss go sleep...
and make sure u dont get a heart disease... u seem to hate a lot...
QuoteWake up! 'Cos you must be dreaming. You call people that would go on rampage simply because a newspaper writer (not even the editor) wrote something allegedly blasphemous about a prophet? Clearly some people can't differentiate between what's reported in a newspaper and the paper's position on an issue. And even if the paper supported the writer, is that cause enough to start MURDERING innocent people? Did Mr. Joe Brown on the street write the article?
Mista or na misis Southener u bi. I no dey dream, if na dream I no go fit put this. (*hiss*) My firen comments like yuwa misinterpretation make me wanna by concentrated hydrochloric acid & pour it on ur face. :P
Say u get a muslim............which of course wont b soooooooo ill mannered 2 post up a topic sayin............4 xample...... pope john paul would definately choose a wife among d contestant.
As a patriotic beliver wat wud u du? Du u xpect us 2 sit down fold ur hands & ignore such disrespect?
Talkin about editor or writer they r all birds of d same feathers wat makes a writa: makes an editor.
Murder: u call it murder yeah ryt: that y I c yrs bck durin d Kaduna riot: non of d non-muslims committed murder!!!!! ::) Well I wont call it murder: rather every1s fightin 4 justice with is a truth in action.
Even in Bible Exodus: it says: eye 4 an eye,tooth 4 tooh so....if a muslim shud make any provocatice statement then of course a non muslim can seek justice. Well any person lookin 4 justice 2 those that did him/her wrong will see it as a threat bcuz injustice anywhere is a threat 2 justice everywhere.
So tryin 2 seek justice on whether na repoter abi na editor or writa has indeed caused threat which broke in2 violence & then riot........
Oga or na madam southerener, I du respect ur comments but wat u r sayin here is either part of a solution or part of d problem. Wat is done has already been done, lets put behind all that has happened. B u a muslim, a christian, hindu, Buddhist, Jewe whether u worship, Harikrishna, Messiah, Jesus, Allah it dont matta. Because obviously when it cumz down 2 religion every religion takes theirs 2 b d best. And 2 me religion is by no means a proper subject of conversation in a mixed company.
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Mista or na misis Southener u bi. I no dey dream, if na dream I no go fit put this. (*hiss*) My firen comments like yuwa misinterpretation make me wanna by concentrated hydrochloric acid & pour it on ur face. ?:P
B u a muslim, a christian, hindu, Buddhist, Jewe whether u worship, Harikrishna, Messiah, Jesus, Allah ?it dont matta. Because obviously when it cumz down 2 religion every religion takes theirs 2 b d best. And 2 me religion is by no means a proper subject of conversation in a mixed company. ?
Ha ha ha hehehe hohohee:(that goes for the acid bit)
That is so real & so true Ummita. I agree with every statement. Ok let by-gone b by-gone. About Isiomas issue. Hey Ummita! I taught Isy the thisday writer went to the same uni you did? :-X :-X
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Mista or na misis Southener u bi. I no dey dream, if na dream I no go fit put this. (*hiss*) My firen comments like yuwa misinterpretation make me wanna by concentrated hydrochloric acid & pour it on ur face. ?:P
Say u get a muslim............which of course wont b soooooooo ill mannered 2 post up a topic sayin............4 xample...... pope john paul would definately choose a wife among d contestant.
As a patriotic beliver wat wud u du? Du u xpect us 2 sit down fold ur hands & ignore such disrespect?
Talkin about editor or writer they r all birds of d same feathers wat makes a writa: makes an editor.
Murder: u call it murder yeah ryt: that y I c yrs bck durin d Kaduna riot: non of d non-muslims committed murder!!!!! ::) Well I wont call it murder: rather every1s fightin 4 justice with is a truth in action.
Even in Bible Exodus: it says: eye 4 an eye,tooth 4 tooh so....if a muslim shud make any provocatice statement then of course a non muslim can seek justice. Well any person lookin 4 justice 2 those that did him/her wrong will see it as a threat bcuz injustice anywhere is a threat 2 justice everywhere.
So tryin 2 seek justice on whether na repoter abi na editor or writa has indeed caused threat which broke in2 violence & then riot........
Oga or na madam southerener, I du respect ur comments but wat u r sayin here is either part of a solution or part of d problem. Wat is done has already been done, lets put behind all that has happened. B u a muslim, a christian, hindu, Buddhist, Jewe whether u worship, Harikrishna, Messiah, Jesus, Allah ?it dont matta. Because obviously when it cumz down 2 religion every religion takes theirs 2 b d best. And 2 me religion is by no means a proper subject of conversation in a mixed company. ?
i am not southerner but anyways - not all christians believe in the pope that much, but a good christian (like a good muslim, i'm sure) would never resort to violence in response. in the book matthew of the bible jesus refutes that verse in exodus u quoted, by saying' love your enemies, and do good to those who persecute you.' yea they might protest it peacefully, but i'm sure a riot scenario would never have occured as a result of that kind of statement. that sort of thing could only happen in Northern Ireland!
there is a big difference b/w an editorial article and others, however that does not excuse the paper's poor judgement. i doubt those rioters even read the article, and thus i seriously doubt the riot had much to do with it. if so, then why the burning of churches? beauty contests are not a christian thing. lastly, we've been holding local pageants in nigeria for how many years now and something like this never happened. there's a lot more to the riots than meets the eye. and until that hidden factor is checked, unfortunately it will happen again. so it might be a good idea to put the whole thing behind us and move on, but then the government had better so some investigation if not, they will be making apologies to the rest of the world again later.
Lord have Mercy!!!!!!
SA'ADU ZUNGUR!!!!
DAN MARAYA!!!!!!!!
LATE ?MAMMAN SHATA!!!!!
Sa'adu Zungur was a political activist in pre independence era, (I regret not reading anything about him) and a literary giant. Triumph Publishing House as you all know is named after him.
Dan Maraya and Shata believe it or not are internationally reknowned figures. I think (though I may be wrong) that BOTH have been the subject of foreign literary works at some time or other in the past.
FyneDyme asks whether Abacha or IBB qualify as Northern Stars? Personally, I am uncertain when it comes to IBB, but where Abacha is concerned, I think he qualifies. In despite of his ?perceived shortcomings, he really TRIED where Nigeria was concerned. I believe he had the genuine interests of Nigerians at heart. Remember he actually CURBED inflation during his tenure.He stabilized the pendulous forex market, regularly serviced our debts so that we ?could get out of that quagmire as quickly as possible. The official rate of exchange of the Naira to the Dollar became at par with the black market exchange rate. This helped in undermining a lot of shady businesses.
When the West declared him and Nigeria as outcasts, he did a metaphorical ?"UP Yours Too!" and turned Nigeria's attention towards the Far East. He became interested in tangible worthy projects like rejuvenating the railway system. This alone if it had been achieved would have ?revolutionized the socioeconomic climate. We could have had the cheapest transportation system, for both humans and bulk cargo. Travelling would have been easier and faster. Nigeria would have been opened up to a lot more ppl. ?There would be less traffic accidents. Overhead costs in cargo transport would be drastically cut, many more different types of goods would have become more available at a cheaper price. You can think of a lot of other benefits that Nigerians will reap.
But of course, no man is an island by himself and the same goes for the late Sani Abacha. Thus Abacha was surrounded by a lot of ppl who were not as nationalistic as he was and were out to serve their self interests. Haba Jama'a! We all know the Nigerian mentality of looking after number ONE and to the blazes with all else! The Hausa idiom/adage or whatever (grammarians correct me please), 'Ba 'a mugun sarki sai mugun bafade' was very very true in the case of ?Abacha.
I have always maintained that a lot of the atrocities that occured during Abacha's tenure, did so independent of his knowledge of them, after all Only Allah S.W.T. Is All Omnipotent, All Pervasive and All aware. And Abacha became a very sick man towards the end of his life, which was a perfect excuse to keep him incomunicado with many things around him and this sickness eventually provided a perfect alibi for his mysterious death. ?
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lol i must be dreaming. Abacha as a Northern star? you might as well include 'evil genius' IBB then! Abacha is one of the worst men to ever rule Nigeria. if you understand the important of social development as well as economic development, you learn that by destroying the social stability of Nigeria he created irreparable damage to the entire economy. He nearly wiped out the middle class, the engine of any modern economy. That's partly the reason why 80% of Nigeria professional class now reside in Europe and America.
Was he really acting in Nigeria's interests when he wrested government from Shonekan, and backstabbed MKO? Or when he put to death the Ogoni 9? I hope you can tell me how $4.2 billion ended up in his account, $1.2 billion that has been located in Swiss banks, since Abacha really had Nigeria's interests at heart.
your argument that Abacha curbed inflation is flawed as it does not paint the whole picture. Under Abacha, there was a deliberate attempt to starve States and the Federal Government of revenue they would have used to upgrade their infrastructure, pay salaries, etc.; but they diverted those funds for other personal purposes. Thus there was no money to be spent, meaning no goods were bought, thus inflation was 'curbed'.
the idea that bad company ruined abacha's 'nationalistic' goals, or that the human rights violation that occured during his reign was done without his prior knowledge is laughable; Abacha knew very well what he was doing. Did you know that the exection of Ken Saro-wiwa and the eight other ogoni activists was videotaped and sent to Abacha via Gwarzo for viewing pleasure? How do u explain the fact that all 5 political parties he created chose him as their presidential candidate?
I wonder if you ever saw the disgraceful Abacha-flattering ads that NTA was running during that time in 1998 - 'who the cap fits?', 'who holds the keys to Nigerian progress', and my favorite of all:
A - Adorable
B - Brilliant
A - Admirable
C - Charitable
H - Honorable
A - Affectionate (whatever)..
Anyone who finds this writeup insulting and provocative should first think of how they'd react if i came here and said Adolf Hitler was a good leader since he was able to raise Germany from the ashes of economic disaster caused by the Versailles treaty and the League of Nations.
It is not a matter of insult or provocation since you are entitiled to your opinion. I think you cannot equate Abacha and/or IBB with Adolf Hitler. None of them has subjected anybody to the kind of treatment that Hitler metted to Jews, and no sensible human will take Hitler as a hero no matter what economic progress he helped Germany to achieve.
But why do you so hate Abacha an IBB? What have they done that Obasanjo has not done as a military and/or even civilian leader? OR WHAT ABOUT THE FIVE MAJORS? They killed people too and who are the people that abacha killed? remeber that on two occassions there was a coup attempts against his government but the first set of plotters were forgiven, I mean they were not killed we wouldnt have OBJ by now or what do you think. There is still no proof that Abacha has sanctioned the killing of anybody. And what about IBB who was hi victim? Oh I know you are going to say that. The Dele Giwa case has still not been proven in court and the two set of coup plotters were killed by the AFRC not unilaterally by IBB. All i am trying to say is that Hitler is a much bigger evil than Abacha and or IBB if they are Evil or devilish or whatever
QuoteIt is not a matter of insult or provocation since you are entitiled to your opinion. I think you cannot equate Abacha and/or IBB with Adolf Hitler. None of them has subjected anybody to the kind of treatment that Hitler metted to Jews, and no sensible human will take Hitler as a hero no matter what economic progress he helped Germany to achieve.
But why do you so hate Abacha an IBB? What have they done that Obasanjo has not done as a military and/or even civilian leader? OR WHAT ABOUT THE FIVE MAJORS? They killed people too and who are the people that abacha killed? remeber that on two occassions there was a coup attempts against his government but the first set of plotters were forgiven, I mean they were not killed we wouldnt have OBJ by now or what do you think. There is still no proof that Abacha has sanctioned the killing of anybody. And what about IBB who was hi victim? Oh I know you are going to say that. The Dele Giwa case has still not been proven in court and the two set of coup plotters were killed by the AFRC not unilaterally by IBB. All i am trying to say is that Hitler is a much bigger evil than Abacha and or IBB if they are Evil or devilish or whatever
lol Abumujahid why r u bringing up the five majors and obasanjo? did i say i'm an OBJ fan? i was simply commenting on ummulhuda's comment on Abacha's qualifications as a Northern Star, which i find as insulting to the North and the rest of Nigeria as a whole. I did not intend to directly compare Abacha to Hitler in my last post, nevertheless you don't have to be a Hitler b4 you can be considered a terrible leader. I've already noted the prominent ppl Abacha executed (ken saro-wiwa). It's not even a matter of how many ppl he he killed compared to the five majors. Till today the government is still trying to recover billions of nigerian taxpayers' money that he scattered all over the world via fake contracts. it bugles my mind as to how abacha can be considered a nationalist.
I was also surprised that umulhuda considers Abacha a star, yet is unsure of IBB. The latter was, to his credit, a very cunning deceptive fox, but institutionalized corruption and did untold damage to the country when he annuled the 1993 elections. If he hadn't done that we would have been spared Abacha's reign. Then again, i guess it doesn't matter since abacha and ibb 'perhaps' stole money and r just saints compared to Adolph Hitler. None of them are saints and that includes OBJ and Buhari and most others. They should all be in jail for massive corruption and human rights violations, instead of being allowed to control the future of this country.
Obviously my experiences in Nigeria during Abacha's and IBB's tenure are very different from yours.The damage they created is out there for the whole world to see, yet some of us are still waiting for God to thunder from heaven and knack us on the head with 'the truth'. If Abacha is a Northern star, then the Five majors are national heros and Kaduna Nzeogwu's birthday should become a national holiday (of course, with all due respects to Sir Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa and the other unfortunates who lost their lives on account of him and his colleagues)
I cant help but to agree with you in respect of IBB, corruption and June 12. You can't be more right, no time in the history of this nation has corruption became a normal thing, a way of life and what is still the bug that's eating our life slowly and steady.
I still stand by my assertion that Abacha is a NORTHERN STAR! Get it? NORTHERN star not a Nigerian star or a southern star ?or what ever. I don't expect anyone to like Abacha so I am not surprised that you don't, LIONGER. When Abacha took over the reigns of power, Nigeria was in a very bad shape anyway, and he tried to make it better what ever anybody may say. Abacha did not destroy the social stability, he did not destroy the middle class, he was not responsible for the professional brain drain, all those things had already been done by I.B.B! So please give credit or curses where they are due and don't direct them at Abacha.
If states and Federal govt were starved of funds, then the strategy worked in curbing inflation! Be realistic Lionger, you don't honestly believe that the govt functionaries would have upgraded infrastructure? more likely upgraded themselves. As for non payment of salaries, I am not in a position to argue about that because there has never been a month in my working life when I did not receive my salary and on time. Funnily enough, it is under OBJ that I experienced my first payment in arrears!
As for wresting the leadership from shonekan, there was no such thing. The hand that gave Shonekan the lead was the same hand that took the reigns from him and it was not Abacha's hand.
Backstabbing Abiola indeed! Abiola had the worst advisors in the world believe me, for who ever advised him to declare himself as president was his worst enemy. Where on earth have you ever heard a country where a man declares himself President in the face of an opposing and ruling faction and is not arraigned on treasonable charges? I certainly have never done so. Furthermore, Abiola died of natural causes and as an Act of God, he died after Abacha in full view of the western media that the southern press is so fond of. Otherwise his death would have been put squarely on abacha's door step. The fact of his dying from natural causes still did not stop innocent ppl from being killed by a vengeful section of ppl from the southern part of Nigeria. One shudders to think of the scale of genocide that would have occurred, had Abiola died before Abacha!
Ken saro Wiwa and the Ogoni nine were executed because they committed murder, (a chief from his tribe no less correct me if I am wrong). It was even rumoured that there was some cannibalism involved after the murder, and from all indications Ken Saro Wiwa's rabble rousing actions were deliberate and coldly calculated. If Ken Saro Wiwa was not such a well known figure, would there have been the uproar that his execution caused? Remember also it was a time when Nigeria could do no right in the eyes of the West. If Abacha was really that blood thirsty, he would not have hesitated to execute Abiola since he was not a man who put much store in weighing his political options. He acts purely in a military manner.
If Gwarzo made a video of KSW's execution and handed it to Abacha how do you know it was for his viewing pleasure. Isn't it plausible that gwarzo may have just decided to do it and give it as some sort of sycophant behaviour? ?Why would it be pleasurable for a man who has experienced some military action to watch some one's execution on tape. I think Abacha was a better Muslim than that!
As for the sycophancy that went on and resulted in giving new meaning to the term 'Ta zarce', I cannot remember an era in Nigeria's history, (the ones that occurred during my life time that is) when Nigerians in public office or out of it did not embrace sycophancy and nepotism and acted upon them whole heartedly.
In my opinion, the worst leader Nigeria had was Gowon. It was under Gowon that someone made the comment that Nigeria has so much money that we do not know what to do with it! Meanwhile there were the much needed infrastructures which needed to be put in place. At least Kano was very lucky to have had Audu Bako Allah Ya jikan sa. ?It was the same Gowon who gave Bakassi to the Camerounians as a thank you present for something which Cameroun helped NIgeria in (I think it may have been support against Biafra? I can't be sure, I'm too sleepy at the moment), without any formal documentation or anything, and now the spectre of that deed has come to haunt both Nigeria and Cameroun. Abacha wouldn't have done such a stupid. thing as that.
The only flaw that I will not argue with you about is the case of Abacha's billions! That was certainly wrong, but even if he did do the looting, he wasn't alone in it and he certainly couldn't single handedly have looted all that money! You also forget that it was during I.B.B.'s reign that the first Gulf war occurred and because of the phenomenal rise of the price of crude, Nigeria got in the space of a few months in terms of GDP in foreign currency what it normally takes the country a year to earn! What happened to al that money? It wasn't spent during Abacha's era. And for your information, Abacha left so much foreign reserve ( and refused to TOUCH another loan) that by the time AbdusSallam took over, the world bank informed him (AbdusSallam) that Nigeria had so much foreign reserve that the country was ELIGIBLE for another loan! And ?what did abdussallam do? He TOOK it! and brought us back to square one, i.e. indebtedness to the West and a ?downward spiralling Naira, the very sin that Abacha so deftly avoided!
Abacha can never be an Adolf Hitler. But it is a good thing that you mentioned him. Adolf ?may have been an evil genius but he certainly did not perpetrate all those heinous crimes alone. Infact, Hitler has never been near a gas chamber, he has probably never been inside a concentration camp. He concentrated (I like the pun!) on conquering Europe, while he left it to Goebbels to run his propaganda machine and the likes of Himmler and Heydrich to run the S.S. and Gestapo.
Therefore even if a kwai mugun sarki fadawan sa sun fi mugunta! ? ??
QuoteI still stand by my assertion that Abacha is a NORTHERN STAR! Get it? NORTHERN star not a Nigerian star or a southern star ?or what ever. ?
The sentence should read I still stand by my assertion that...........
I can't correct the sentence in my original submission.
Hey admin do something about this! Your website's beginning to go round the bend! It produces what it wants not what I want it to produce.
Incidentally, Eid Mubarak while I'm at it! And you can delete these last two posts from this topic if you wish, they are not relevant, once the thing is corrected.
Assalamu alaikum;
Ummulhuda and all members,
Sorry about the problem you are having writing some words. I will InShaAllah be working on it as soon as possible.
Also Eid Mubarak and Barka da Sallah to you and to all. I am now in Kanon Dabo right here in the good old Kano, Nigeria (Gari mai Dala da Gwauron dutse. Ko da mai kazo anfika...) I am right here on Konar Sabo Bakin Zuwo just off Maiduguri road not that far from Tarauni. Oh it's so good to be here for Sallah. No any other city celebrates Sallah like it's done in Kano. So Happy Sallah and Eid Mubarak you and to all our ever growing members of this - Kano Online Forum.
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i must admit that i laughed a bit while reading your reply.so abacha's islamic faith could prevent him from finding pleasure in the execution of a dissident for obvious trumped up murder charges, yet allowed him to loot the national treasury! LOL! . u tried to make a case for abacha and even hitler! of course they were not alone in their crimes, but does that not in any way rid them of responsibility?
As if sani abacha fell down from the sky in 1993 and became Nigeria's head of state..lol. Wasn't he there during and b4 ibb's time? He was the one who announced on radio buhari's ouster. so he was definitely a willing party to the looting (IBB could't have done it alone, according to your theory). you acknowledge that both IBB and Abacha did steal money, yet Abacha is a star and IBB isn't? Is it because this is kano-online forum, and Abacha was born in kano, whereas IBB is from niger(lol)? And since you do acknowledge that Abacha looted the treasury, how can he still qualify as a northern star?
as for MKO, u may have a point in that he was foolish to declare mandate with abacha at the helm, but he did win the election, didn't he? what legal right did Abacha have to power? I hope you know that detention without trial is a human rights violation, which Abiola endured until he died. Then u say his death was an act of God. lol i shoulsn't even laugh at that statement using God to justify man's wickedness is just too bad. it doesn't matter whether he was directly killed or not.
i guess the worst leader in nigeria's history is debatable but in my opinion, Nigeria shold have been spared every military ruler, perhaps withthe exception of Murtala Mohammed. for this reason the upcoming election like a choice b/w the devil and the deep blue sea. my candidate would be gani.
i must say your defense of Abacha is impressive, however in doing so u're not being fair to yourself, and alll of northern nigeria. there are many other ppl that are definitely northern nigerian icons, and they have been mentioned on this site. including abacha's name doe not at all honor those ppl, or northerners for that matter.
Happy sallah
I have been avoiding the Abiola issue since I joined this forum but it seems like Lionger has sworn to drag me into it. Chief MKO Abiola was a Nigerian like no other a good and intelligent man, a very successful businessman and the best philanthropist the nation has ever witnessed. I loved Abiola, in fact I wrote him a letter to beg him to declare for the presidency sometimes I even feel like I'm one of those that dragged him to his death but for my belief in the fact that every soul must taste death and everybody dies at his time. May the AlmightyAllah forgive him and grant him Al janna firdausi amin.
After the annulment of June 12 Election and the emergence of Abacha, Abiola actually gave up and faced his business but was made to renew bid for the mandate by his people knowing trully well that they are sacrificing him to bring Abacha down. Is good to die in the course of progress in fact that is actually what is referred to as Jihad in Islam. The only problem with Abiola's Jihad was he was forced into it. He was not planning for what Gen. Abacha did. One of the biggest misconception then was that Abach was a dunce, a dummy who sleeps at meetings and interested only in night life, so Abacha will handover after taking over from Shonekan.
Initially Abiola was interested in his business and had acknowledge that he wasn't a politician and Abacha was'nt like IBB, he wont give up. My problem with Abiola is why he allowed himself to be tricked into becoming the sacrificial lamb afterall he's not interested in being one and the fact that all those people that were clamouring for him to fight for the revalidation of his mandate ran away after they made him come back. I'm sorry to say this but I think all those NADECO and so called June 12 Heroes are nothing like that, they are just opportunist who used the time and Abiola to make money, name and get political offices. They are now Governors, Ministers, Advisers, Senators, etc in the most corrupt government ever. And funny enough most of them have become a mega Abacha. I'm sorry for the loss of Abiola and I'm feeling it like a true brother.
In respect of Ken Saro Wiwa to cast Lionger's thought back, I think the man was tried and found guilty of murder and was killed by hanging. His sentence was ratified/confirmed not by Abacha but the Governor of Rivers State. There is still no proof or evidence that Ken did not kill or sanction the killing of the Ogoni 4.
Lionger take it easy Abacha was a good leader may be he needed to protect his throne and had to be mean to his enemies.
Abumujahid,
i'm not exactly a fan of Abiola, and i agree with you and umulhuda that his declaration of madate was a silly move which eventually cost him his life. i only noted that IN PRINCIPLE, Abiola should have become the president of Nigeria and Abacha should have handed over to him, being the elected leader. Unless u don't think the june 12 elections were free & fair/legitimate, or that abiola didn't deservedly win. that is another matter. i only brought the abiola issue as an example of the damage IBB and Abacha created in Nigeria. I didn't mean to start a lengthy debate on a 'southwestern star;D' ?on a thread about northern icons.
i found your last sentence quite amusing..were you being sarcastic? lol this man stole money, Abu, and a great deal of it too. Since when did phrases like 'good leader' and 'mean to enemies' go together? i don't want to go on crying about ?abacha; i've made my point on him. i just want to believe that northern nigeria can produce much better leaders those of of his ilk. This shuold hopefully be my last post on the subject.
Thanks lionger. It was a good exchange I also think this is my last post on this subject. The Abacha money thing is very embarassing but unfortunately all our leaders past and present have this money stashing problem. Our people are obsessed with money and lots of it and mainly because it is only when you have money that you'll be left alone. You'll agree with me therefore that the root cause of the money stashing problem is the fear of post government house. Nigerians do not believe in an undulating graph - up & down, they only believe in going up and up non stop.
The funny thing is it is only Abacha that the whole nation is worried about, what about IBB and His cohorts, Abubakar, etc.
I tend to believe that Abacha's offence was not stealing but dying!
Thanks Lionger
Quoteummulhuda
i must admit that i laughed a bit while reading your reply.so abacha's islamic faith could prevent him from finding pleasure in the execution of a dissident for obvious trumped up murder charges, yet allowed him to loot the national treasury! LOL! . u tried to make a case for abacha and even hitler! of course they were not alone in their crimes, but does that not in any way rid them of responsibility?
As if sani abacha fell down from the sky in 1993 and became Nigeria's head of state..lol. Wasn't he there during and b4 ibb's time? He was the one who announced on radio buhari's ouster. so he was definitely a willing party to the looting (IBB could't have done it alone, according to your theory). you acknowledge that both IBB and Abacha did steal money, yet Abacha is a star and IBB isn't? Is it because this is kano-online forum, and Abacha was born in kano, whereas IBB is from niger(lol)? And since you do acknowledge that Abacha looted the treasury, how can he still qualify as a northern star?
as for MKO, u may have a point in that he was foolish to declare mandate with abacha at the helm, but he did win the election, didn't he? what legal right did Abacha have to power? I hope you know that detention without trial is a human rights violation, which Abiola endured until he died. Then u say his death was an act of God. lol i shoulsn't even laugh at that statement using God to justify man's wickedness is just too bad. it doesn't matter whether he was directly killed or not.
i guess the worst leader in nigeria's history is debatable but in my opinion, Nigeria shold have been spared every military ruler, perhaps withthe exception of Murtala Mohammed. for this reason the upcoming election like a choice b/w the devil and the deep blue sea. my candidate would be gani.
i must say your defense of Abacha is impressive, however in doing so u're not being fair to yourself, and alll of northern nigeria. there are many other ppl that are definitely northern nigerian icons, and they have been mentioned on this site. including abacha's name doe not at all honor those ppl, or northerners for that matter.
Happy sallah
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I have read that both you Lionger and AbuM have had your final say on the topic of Abacha's candidacy as a northen star. Well I hope this will be my last also.
Firstly, Anyone here can submit a name that he thinks qualifies as a northern star. Personally, there are many names here that I will remove given the chance. Maybe my idea of a northern star and other ppl's do not tally.I don'tconsider personal achievement should entitle a person to be a northern
star. It's more a thing of what you have done for the betterment of your fellow country men, rather than what you are able to acquire in terms of personal wealth and recognition mainly because of that wealth. Yet, I am not crabbing at ppl's nominations. Abacha is a raw deal to a lot of ppl because of his perceived in adequacies, and what a lot of ppl see as his despotic nature especially when they don't happen to come from the North.
Everything I have said about Abacha, I have said it with real conviction and belief from the bottom of my heart. He may not have achieved much, but he tried to, which is more than you can say about I.B.B. and a lot of the ppl mentioned as Northern stars, here. I also do not consider Abacha because he came from Kano. Or that I don't tend towards I.B.B because he came from Niger state. Even I.B.B. owned to not being perfect as a head of state, you know. That is why he wants a second chance to make ammends. If I were favorably disposed to ppl from Kano only then I should mention Ismaila Gwarzo as a northern star or Al Mustapha as well or even Abacha's son Mohammed. But I don't have much regard for all three ppl unfortunately. Where they are concerned, i just keep quiet, because if you won't put in a good word then don't put in a bad one either. For your information, I genuinely like I.B.B. I think he is a very charming person, and has the potentials to be a good leader if only he won't try to please every body at the same time. It is an impossible task. At the same time however, he makes such phenomenal miscalculations, (for example anulling June 12th; I wonder why he agreed to Abiola's candidacy in the first instance if he was going to reject him in the end) and helping to foister O.B.J. on us).
What still puzzles me is your placid acceptance that an execution could be an enjoyable thing to somebody. It is a matter of fact thing when you look at it. Abacha's faith should disallow him to treat anybody's death with relish. To begin with, Both I.B.B. and Abacha are not bloodthirsty hounds. If they were, we would never have had the bloodless coups we had. Look at Liberia or Sierra Leone or the most disturbing and surprising of all, Cote dIvoire, all initially bloodied from the first coups. And Ken Saro Wiwa's sentence was not even passed by Abacha as AbuM pointed out and I didn't even know that.
I agree that generally leaders are held responsible for the acts of their subordinates, but I still maintain that a leader can be made incommunicado that he does not get to know the real situation of his subjects. I still believe that is what happened with Abacha.
You said that Abacha had no legal right to power, neither did I.B.B. nor Buhari, nor Obasanjo the first time around nor Murtala Mohammed nor AbdusSallam Abubakar or any military ruler who forces his way into power. Yet we accepted them and lived with them. Abiola had a legal mandate and was denied, This is akin to Buhari wresting power from Shagari, don't you think so? Only this time, nothing had to be wrested, the power just wasn't conceded. Things like this have happened on a grander scale than the Abiola mandate. How many wars have been fought in the name of acquiring sovereignty? How many times have ppl have to die struggling to acieve that end simply because it was never given willingly? So abacha was just following a well trodden path. there is nothing new in what he did. Why aren't we up in arms against America fo the CIA's role in the murder of Murtala Mohammed? Because America is too strong for us or because Murtala was northerner and therefore of not much concern to the southerners/ Yoruba ppl?
No one can USE God. Lionger, as a christian which I presume you are, you should know that. You should also know that everything is an act of God and done with his sanction otherwise it can't be done. I will like to tell you in the context that I said Abiolas death was an act of God, and I was not justifying any perceived wickedness, on thepart of Abacha because I just don't think of him as a wicked person. He just did what he had to do that's all.
I remember ppl saying during the frenzied campaign for Abacha's "Tazarce" that he Abacha asked for ppl to recite the Qur'an about a million times so that Allah will choose the best path for Nigeria. I am sure I am not the only muslim who has heard this. Nigeria was on the brink of anarchy at the time. What with Abiola in detention, NADECO howling all the time, many insensitive selfish politicians out to grab what they can, the west snapping at the heels of Nigeria, All but Mayhem reigned during that period. When the call for this prayer was made many must have heeded it. I don't know whether a million recitations were made, but enough for Allah to pass his judgement on Nigeria. The Divine Judgement of what was good for Nigeria was that the two archrivals, Abacha and Abiola ahould both be out of the way. Within three months of that call made by Abacha, he was dead! The new interim leader AbdusSallam Abubakar, was from what I heard anyway not willing to assume the reigns of leadership, which was a good thing because Islamically one should never elect a man who shows a strong desire to rule over his colleagues. He will invariably make a bad ruler. For the same token that he was not a willing candidate, that is probably why he quickly set the dates for a return to civilian leadership. Imagine if it were some one who had nurtured a hope of ruling Nigeria, we may not have had the chance to return to farar hula so soon. So that is the second Act of God as far as a return to some semblance of peace and what was good for Nigeria was concerned.
Barely two months after the demise of Abacha, Abiola also left for his heavenly abode. That was also an act of God. You see if Abiola had lived, he would have been out of jail by now but what would his fate have been? Would he have been Nigeria's new ruler? I mean would June 12th have been upheld? If it were upheld that means we wouldn't need to set dates for new elections or anything like that. How many ppl's dreams and political ambitions would have been thwarted? Anyway that all pales beyond comparison to the scenario that will likely follow.
If Abiola had not died and even become President of Nigeria, then Nigeria today will have ceased to exist on the mapof the world. Why do I say that? Because OPC will rule the day and will probably rule Abiola as well. The atrocities that this faction of the Yoruba society (and anyother that might ave sprung up) will commit on Northerners will be like the Bola Ige's similitude to the Hutus and Tutsies that the late gentleman once mentioned. Imagine with all the pacification of an Obasanjo or a Falae or a Saraki, in short a Yoruba president no less whether you like it or not, still a large faction of the Yoruba society have not been mollified. Obasanjo is a Yoruba leader, and peaceful Nigerians keep losing their lives at the hands of xenophobic individuals. With Abiola in place, the OPC will feel a moral and vengeful justification to kill and maim northerners. And just like the OPC has had the full protection of some powerful Yoruba elites so it will be doubly more so under Abiola. I don't say this because I think of Abiola as a tribalist, I just think he will be very ineffectual at curbing the misdeeds of some of his tribes men. Look at Obasanjo for God's sake! He was military wasn't he? and yet even he cant curb the excesses of his tribe's men. What more a politician who depends on the goodwill of those very same ppl?
So abiola was removed from the scene. Some cynics may sarcastically comment (in fact I expect you to Lionger) that Abiola was then removed to save the north from imminent genocide? The answer will be yes. Because the north will not take it lying down either, there will be so much blood shed on both sides of the country that it wont be worth staying together. I mean anyone reading this knows what I mean. We've been having so many of these ethnic strifes and in frightening proportions and the trigger to them all are trivial events most of the time.
Abiola died
1) in full view of the western media, so no one can be blamed for his death. Autopsies carried out by WESTERN medical practitioners confirmed that he died from natural causes. This still did not stop some Yoruba elements from attacking hapless northeners living in the southwest.
2) after Abacha otherwise like I said earlier, his death would have been blamed on Poisoning or some such by Abacha. It is not to exonerate Abacha that Allah took Abiola's life after Abacha, it is rather to limit the sort of bloodshed and unrest that followed Abiola's demise. It doesn't matter who was at fault, the backlash will always ultimately fall on some innocent unwitting victims.
Lastly we had the Yoruba candidates in all three political parties so which ever you chose, you were choosing a Yoruba man at the helm. These events were all Acts of God which the collective prayers of Nigerians solicited for what was best for Nigeria. What was best obviously was the avoidance of spilling innocent blood and all the attendant unrest, displacement of ppl and the orphaning of children and refugee status that come with such scenarios. In otherwords BALA'I was averted. That Lionger was what I meant by Abiola's death being an act of God and not a defence of Abacha's so called criminality.
With this I also put this subject to rest.
Thank you for the Sallah wish. I had a nice one.
Professor Aku and Shehu
both are living examples.
Aku is from kaduna state and teaches at A.B.U
is the only african professor of meterological Engr and one of the only three living.
Shehu is the youngest professor to walk on earth and the youngest V.C nigeria and probably many nations have ever seen.... Prof at age 28 and presently V.C at age 32 (A.T.B.U)
i dont the the name but i can confirm it soon.
The person is a heart specialist and was present during the first ever heart surgery during the !960's in south africa and b4 u forget Aparthied was at its peak back then but was still invited.Imagine his knowlegde then .....HE'S FROM KANO!
Anyone noticed that
HIS EXCELENCY GCON MNI SSS MNA COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES
LATE GENERAL SANI ABACHA,
was killed just some days/hours after meeting Yaser Arafat of the Plo?
Man dont u think the guy was getting on the americano cowboy's Nerves?
I mean he refused to co-operate in all wayz
and was becomin too important a figure in African politics
by the way
WAYE YA ZAGI MAI GIDA?
we have doctor Aliyu Tilde who is a great schorlar and also Mallam KAbir Yusuf who is the publisher of Weekly Trust,his paper has gone a long way in boosting the image of the north and countering some of the lies of the southern press.we also have D.R Ibrahim wada who is the only embrayologist in west africa
wow!!!!!aunty ummul!!! i love whut u pointed out!
and hamza & bash... wow, that's LOVELY to know!!! very very very glad to know that!
abeg hamza... komai naka rabi ::) ;D... find out tha name of the heart surgery person....fleazzzz... :)
Thanx FDQ. Glad to be of service.
I wonder if we have put down the name of Professor Attahiru Jega, Political Science Dept. B.U.K. as a northern star?
If I were to choose another person as president after Buhari, I'd definitely go for Jega. He is another wholesome uncorruptible Nigerian, and dont think ppl in Govt haven't tried to buy him with plenty of lollies as well.
How about Women. Hajiya Mariya S. Dantata. I thought I will see her name in the first page and many other entries. Anyway maybe most of you are abroad so you may not know what is actually happening in kano. Go and see what this woman is doing. Everyday if you go to her house you will see an endless queue of people waiting to receive breakfast, lunch and dinner. She distribute from her own wealth to many poor people in the city of kano and nearby villages. Islamic schools, primary schools are just some of the places she helps. No wonder she is continously getting recognision even from Universities abroad. If you dont know her you should know her son Alhaji Aliko Dangote who also should be recognised.
thanx a million Sanusi ;) .. she should be govn'ress lol!...
Amb. Lawal Mohammed Munir - Musa de Oro International Award for Most Outstanding Diplomat...1998
lol FDQ r u related to that ambassador by any chance? ;D ;D
haha.. he was guest of honor at my university :)
Hehehehe dont mind her, dyme is the window-cleaner/maid/cook in his house 8)
OOOOH yeah...Amb Lawal Muhd. Munir also got another 'MOST OUSTANDING DIPLOMAT' award again @ 2001....
Its kinda late but I still want to say it,
CONGRATULATIONS
didnt Dr. Rilwanu Lukman get some kinda international recognition?
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Hehehehe dont mind her, dyme is the window-cleaner/maid/cook in his house 8)
2morow u'll say i'm dantata's inlaw...
8) U guyz r stickin to one area:Dr, Prof or Alh. have u
4gotten saddam's grand papa who killed snake for masu kan
kwarya (katsinawar) he's a legend. how about the first emir of
kano in 999 Bagauda. m tried of hearin all this Alh(s) or Dr(s)
who r abroad dev other country instead.............
u meant Bayyajidda? LoL...saddam's grandpapa?.. kai, nawa!
we mentioned Queen Amina... she's prolly at the top five..
FDQ, if southerners think we really are illiterates and local and all that stuff, its really their problem. sometimes i juss think they are just jealous. let them think wat they want to think, and let them mutu lungu daya.
its kinda too late too, but CoNGrAtS!!!!!!!!! ;D
FDQ......didnt know bout this..... :-/
QuoteFDQ, if southerners think we really are illiterates and local and all that stuff, its really their problem. sometimes i juss think they are just jealous. let them think wat they want to think, and let them mutu lungu daya.
jealous? really, hahahaha.. no you've missed it. yea it's a bad generalization, i agree. but northern nigeria has a real problem with illiteracy.
btw another queen on this forum? hehe are u competing with FDQ; i believe she is fulani..
competing????......thats juss not uss.....me fulanicious, and dyme queen are 1....heeee.....rifa mana asiri. wanna competin.... :-/ (lol!)
dont tell me in tha deep south that ?there is no high rate of illiteracy.... :-/ plus tha only reason y they think we northerners have high number of illiteracy is only cuz we r tha most populated in nigeria, satistically....i resst my case
anyways....we got northerners REPRESINTIN'......
ENGINEER FULANICIOUS...WHERE U AT!!!!!!!!
MA GURL DYME QUEEN...WHERE U AT!!!!!!!!!!
Sometimes if u comment on some topics it seems as if u dont read it at all,how on earth can somebody ask bout the contribution of some northerners and you started counting those that obtain deggreees in so-so places,so what ?how many northerners have they sponsored?or how many of them were getting any assistance from them?is better we face the truth since we are now in a democratic dispensation.
hehehe..good question
I AM NEW HERE ,BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS TOPIC IS THAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH,BUT I DON'T SEE THE REASON WHY A MAN HOLDING DEGREE,MASTERS DOCTORATE DEGREE OR EVEN PROF COULD BE MENTIONED AS N/STAR IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THOSE WHO LEFT A LEGACY,SERVED THE MASSES AND SO ON.
QuoteI AM NEW HERE ,BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS TOPIC IS THAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH,BUT I DON'T SEE THE REASON WHY A MAN HOLDING DEGREE,MASTERS DOCTORATE DEGREE OR EVEN PROF COULD BE MENTIONED AS N/STAR IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THOSE WHO LEFT A LEGACY,SERVED THE MASSES AND SO ON.
I think u are right,now give us the name of the people that left a legacy.
SARDAUNA,SIR ABUBAKAR TAFAWA BALEWA,
Those guys are already on the list.
Instead of harping on who the northern stars are/were, i think it will be a good idea to start with why the north ticks. Like to say why did Lord Luggard opted for the north instead of the south. Also why he became interested in the administrative set up he found existing in the north, when the south does not have any form of government then? Was it a coincidence or by destiny that even at that time the north had its own functional legal system, tax collection, schools etc? With those facilities on the ground then, how come the south overtook the north in terms of education?
QuoteInstead of harping on who the northern stars are/were, i think it will be a good idea to start with why the north ticks. Like to say why did Lord Luggard opted for the north instead of the south. Also why he became interested in the administrative set up he found existing in the north, when the south does not have any form of government then? Was it a coincidence or by destiny that even at that time the north had its own functional legal system, tax collection, schools etc? With those facilities on the ground then, how come the south overtook the north in terms of education?
You are right,but please look carefully at this ,by late sir Abubakar t'balewa"if ever the northern provinces change[u know that time we only have province not state]as i know they must,i want them to change into modern Northern Nigeria,but not into some sort of artificial civilization which is not either European nor African.........Evil ideas are creeping into the North from outside sources........"and in another instance he said"since 1914 the british govt has been trying to make Nig into one country,but the Nigereian people themselves are historically different in their backgrounds in thier religios beliefs and customs.........and do not show themselves any sign of willingness to unite,so what it comes to it is that Nigerian unity is only a british intention in the country"