I would please like 2 get peoples opinions if possible, and I am in no way trying to undermine any1. I was reading a topic called Brotherz and sisterz, Help me written by Ummita J.L and I could not help but notice that most of the people who wrote in seem to think that non-Islamic music is a bad thing or in other words its haram. I believe that the only time music becomes a bad thing is when it stops u from carrying out your religious duties. I personal listen 2 everything from Ja Rule 2 Yusuf Islam 2 Bob Marley 2 Metallical and in all my years of listen to them they have not stopped me form performing my religious duties. So far to my knowledge I have not come across any text that says music (non-Islamic) is haram, but if any1 has any evidence that proves music is haram please do let me know cause as Allah says Seek knowledge form cradles to death.
O Allah, to any believer whom I have insulted, let that be cause to draw him near to You on the Day of Resurrection. ? ?
metallica?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ok...u should go repent... oya oya maza maza... >:(
She signs( :-/),
heyz u wanna listens 2 music, it up 2 u. but it is haram, as long as their is beatin & vibes it make bubbley!!!, then it is haram
This music thing.... HEY! eni1 is entitled 2 du wat makes him/her happy. U wanna listen 2 it, its up 2 u, no doubt on that but.......................... :-X
Dear Ummita
From my understanding let me break down what u wrote. U believe that anything that has a beat & has a vibe 2 it then it is haram. Well what would u say if I could prove 2 u that the Prophet S.A.W in his time listen 2 things that had beats and vibes to them.
O Allah, to any believer whom I have insulted, let that be cause to draw him near to You on the Day of Resurrection.
I'm as lost as you are, my dear friend Venom (though an arsenal fan). To the best of my knoledge, I have never come across such places where music is haram. I heard stories about the prophet and a kid who was a musician, the kid goes to music competitions to defend those who use music to insult the prophet. And sometimes the prophet goes wid him. I mean even when the prophet went to madinah, he was welcomed with a bautiful song, "dala hal badaru alaina min sami ratul bada`i, waja bar shukuru alaina...." something like that a very beautiful song. An Imam once told me music is only bad when it interrupts religion, when it forbids u from it just like in ur case, or when the context are unislamic or meaningless to the religion...and more. But I'm still lost coz I heard stories otherwise. Ama try `n find out a verse in the quran and bring it bak here...about music. and Venom, This are the things we need rightful answers too, I`m wid u.
why i dont agree music is bad...
#1... i neva see 'am for Qur'an...
#2... music is a very very strong ID for culture and tradition...
Ppl agree 2 disgree all d great mallams did xplain that music is haram, but hey! I neva told none of u not 2 listen 2 it.As I said earlier on du as u please if it makes one happy.!!!
Wo! that is proposterious, wud u in any way put 2gether prophets tracks that r heart soothinin,which passes of course positive messages & does not lead u astray 2 that of say........... Pharoah Monch, Noreaga Busta & all them louths!
So dont use Prophets scenarios 2 cover up 4 music....that is no enuf fact 2 bck up ur opinion mate!
mm(she signs) well I du not wan2 dwell in2 this music dillema! :-X
Hey has eni1 heard Murder(eenk) INC r gonna collaborate with Zomba records 2 make greatest of all tyms releases so I read!!!
Wat du u reckon with Bobby Brown in Ja'z track (Thug luv) I hate Bobby 2 deaths! esp d way he over does everything. Ja brought him bck, after goin bankrupt, now he wants 2 du sabi over sabi:(
Who also hates em?
mhmmm wai aka ce basabon ba wai kurutu ya auri makaho. ke idan akwai wanda na tsana yabi su destinys child da shi wannan Bobby brown din da hakura kamar an zuba aya a tire.
(Venom) I AM LAUGHING ATI YUWA NAME. Har venum...... do not temper with me ko? Ifi not this snake will strike back ;) Kai kanoonline...it alwayz makes my day I justi dey roll for ground laugh justi dey shack my head.
Music....Hey shortie, as U-TA said, if you want to listen to music your choice. :-/
HEy venom about this muzic thang someone of high intellectual standard once told that any muzic with beatings is haram.C'mon lets face it,apart from the beating stuff what of tha lyrics contained in most western muzic today. These guys commit shriek outrightly. u have peeps like eminem and most rappers, to madonna and a lot of em.
Though personally i listen to muzic but i'm praying to stop. SOo its up to u
dyme why should he repent or iz it cos he listens to Metallica or what? Damnn u tryin to be a racist sort of... ok lemmi tell you Muhammad(saw)preached about racial dicriminatiiion. If you think he should go repent for listening to metallica go burn yur Jagged Edge Cd's.
dyme why should he repent or iz it cos he listens to Metallica or what? Damnn u tryin to be a racist sort of... ok lemmi tell you Muhammad(saw)preached about racial dicriminatiiion. If you think he should go repent for listening to metallica go burn yur Jagged Edge Cd's.
ok.........from ma own point of view music is bad as I hear say...& I think it is..but I still listen 2 it...ok lemme proceed ma matter in discussion is like this!!.....I dunno whether it goes 4 d rest of ya'all but boy...........am I so heartbroken......... R.KELLY I really feel dead heartbroken about his issue. He is being given juss a month pursue his album, top it outta d market 2 target audience & then he gets his sentencin...yeah he has already been found with 32....charges..so there is a BIG likelihood that that great guy wud end up servin 15yrs in jail!!!! Imagine that...I wish I had alot of stash that cant even fit in2 d bank..I wuddave helped shortie out!!! But I gat none...so...Its so unbearable....
He gave out great beats from Fiesta remix
nice solo from Body'z callin me
Great words from Just like that & just a touch
Worlds greatest
Now he gon go 2 jail..................I hope not.!!!
Errr bck 2 is music a bad thing.......? I dunno... :-X
Music may be a bad thing, but it is really a matter of opinion. Like Katsinian said the prophet was greeted with a beautiful song as he entered Madina.
Let's just say that in sha Allah none of us will suffer the torments of the grave because of it. Maybe it is the lyrics that make a music good or bad. Personally, I won't be able to stop listening to music. In fact right now I'm being initiated into some really off the mark deviant music by some friends and the lyrics have nothing to do with love. What's more the stuff's really great!
Quote ...ok lemme proceed ma matter in discussion is like this!!.....I dunno whether it goes 4 d rest of ya'all but boy...........am I so heartbroken......... R.KELLY I really feel dead heartbroken about his issue.
Ow nima dai I feel this Kelly issue, who doesnt commit a sin in this world. abeg everybody ma don sin before ::) so let this so called lawyers live the man alone ::)
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Quotedyme why should he repent or iz it cos he listens to Metallica or what? Damnn u tryin to be a racist sort of... ok lemmi tell you Muhammad(saw)preached about racial dicriminatiiion. If you think he should go repent for listening to metallica go burn yur Jagged Edge Cd's.
lol.. now now now homeboi who said nething bout RACE?. ;D.. we're talkin bout MUSIC, eg. JAGGED EDGE!!!! not NOISE eg. metallica and other nonsense and ingredients!... HUGE DIFFERENCE... like this-a-big.. *__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________* that-a-big and much more :)....
ps... if u listen to such noise.. u too.. go repent ASAP ::)
Mhmmm I taught ma gurl Jey-el was into Bone Thugs & Co.....Pharoach Monch etc & 112. I never knew you liked Kelly. Yeah he should go to jail.
Is music a bad thing? NOPE!!!!!
Yo! yo! yo! Now tell me su'in? Who said musci is bad. aw! hear this
Greatest R&B artist
Jaheim, Joe, 112, Ray#Jay
Greatest Rap stars:
Noreaga, Omar,Nocturnal, Krazie Bone, Irv Gotti (Murder INC), Mobb Deep
Metallic star
Machine head, Ozzy Osbource, Limpkin park & Limp bizkit
(THESE PUNK A** MUSIC, UMMITA INTRODUCED ME TO) he he he he he he ....now does tthat make me a sinner. I go listen to musci till I die........but emhmme I no wan die
Music is not a bad tin. ::)
he he he music I musti hear
malama hafsy, we where talking about religios views on the music not artists. We just want to know if we have a go ahead or expect nemesis. Allah ya sauka.
Kai dakata mallam Ibro Awilo or Inro2g . ;D Koma a religious view ai an che u can listen 2 music but clean once dat dont hav explicit contents in dem.Wai kai wanene ???? ne ban ma sanka ba :-X Haba mallam.
Sunan artis nabada sa mai?? ah ah !!!! kai mutumna de sai ALLAH KAI WAI. ::) ::)
B twinks & Ummita blad were u dey ??? someone want du me sh**e :-X ::)
First of praise to Allah Siister Hafsa finally deciided to join us as a member thats good to hear.And Ibro the gurl gotcha wid those names wo.
HEY LADIES LETS PARTY & CRUSH 2NITE (Fat joe ft Gi~wine, CRUSH 2NITE) Hafsy.........I say lets hit it. Is music a bad thing ::) mhmm i SAY NO INFACT LETS TALK MUSIC.
Hafsy I like Mobb Deep's "Hey luv". That track is off the hook. Rules are meant to be broken. So I am gonna change this thread, men! Ya''all lets hit this place, lets get music going.
How about BabyFace "What if" I just love that track. Man the good one is B2K "Bump bump bump.
Well I love music, Anything a person loves is good. So hell yeah music is good 8)
how about Stole by kelly . That song even though i be Man they make me feel lioke cryin ,its one of ma best tracks this year :'( :'(
Have yall haeard Rap Game a shady collabo- Eminem(Its no rumor hes Numero Uno), D12 50 cent its hot.
Yeah Nafeey lets get this place cracking.
YO! PAPY Ina ka buya ne kwana biyu? Yeah Kelly Rowland shes kool. Kai how about this dan saurayi Mario "Just a freind" I just love that bit where he say & I know that u know am FLYYYYYYYY 8) 50CENT He is kool. People y'all 4got Lippy: guess who I call LIPPY? Jay~zee & beyounce, that was ok.
Man... Thug luv by Fat Joe that is heavy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So baby turn around & let me ........go bump bump bump God if all boys were like lil fizz boy things go better. but all these hausa boys no fine sef (hey I don carry wahala) wasa nake infact nabi foundaiton dey they apply. DONT MIND THEM HAUSA BOYZ BETA PASS :P
QuoteKai dakata mallam Ibro Awilo or Inro2g . Haba mallam.
tsk tsk tsk...some one just made my day
QuoteAnd Ibro the gurl gotcha wid those names wo.
Yah she did...I bet it waz a mistake, coz I AM offended.
akan muzik? kan b*****a....I`m outta here.
The ladyz seem to be pickin on u man, but really ibro2g, dont u think the name ibro awilo brings out ur groove ;D LOL
j/k
Oh God I'm having a bad day, speedy, I'm outta here.
Kai ibro, y a bad day? av u been drinkin? LOL ;D
Wani DRINKING, Iblink kai bata ma sani ba...This IBRO boy disappeared kwanakin baya, thats one reason you dont see him in this forum...why because? Abeg matsa Ibro,.....kunga shi ko ya tsuguna yana rokona kada na tona sirina...La ila Ibro matsa I must tell. That boy has been found sniffing Speed, Bush & Ganga (Ummita that her best one, Ummita kema fa na tuna kin dan taba Ganja) hmmmm da badon anyi da gaske ba..........mhmm Allah dai ya sawake, yes IBRO was a drug dealer, naso I come use ma connection to get that Neeg outa jail, shine yanzu yazo yana playing hatinum on me!! I saved ur a** Nigga. I got shorties out of jail, ma neeg you need to take it easy & dont gimme me ol heil ol ruff timo! Or ol heils gonna go back to jail. ::) ;D
Music... ::)
Ayya ibro...haka rayuwa take...today sweet tomorrow bitter...so don't worry...they'll descend on someone else soon... ;)
uuummmm music bad tthin :-/........... i dont think so tho im notb sure ne ma dai nataba jin haka but ai komai sai da niya ........
i listen to music but its neva keep me off my duties if music is bad then playin games too is bad kinan ko?
Hafsy naji, dan Allah ki fada duka, harda naki: Well I was caught, but I was kleen and so was`nt convicted. Mah lady here, we where walking in the airport, then she was detected of all the shit she mentioned...before you know it, they were on to us, I helped her wid some laxative and she when to the toilet to get them out...ya know, she swallowed em. After destroying the evidence I was taken away coz they thought I had som`n to do wid it. So here I am. If u want to continue such work without being caught, u better stick to mi, I got connections. Anywayz I leave the family of knonline to judge this out.
And thanks Ihsan, I mean madame ( miss.V.P), I neva let it get to mi afterwards, so I guess.....thanks anyways.
QuoteI helped her wid some laxative and she when to the toilet to get them out...ya know, she swallowed em. .
"Ouch!!! Boi... u really hit ma blad there! ;D
la la la la la la Ibro2g?? da haka za'a shirya?
gaskiya amma fa... :-/
For the first time I finally made a devilish smile ( he he) some one is putting Hafsa straight!!
But believe me Hafsy you are one thing that keeps bringing me back to this site. Cuz you always make me smile deep down inside, U are kool. d**n I hate being nice to people
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gaskiya amma fa... :-/
Ehh relax miss VeePee, I'm kool wid u okay. Just relax.
gotz ta rush
and just incase I forget later, Nafeey, I like ur...no, I LOVE youe instinct
Has any1 heard the new Linkin Park album if so could u tell me what u think of it cause I havent heard it yet.
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Ehh relax miss VeePee, I'm kool wid u okay. Just relax.
gotz ta rush
::) ::) translate...mi no grab abunda kake zance a kai
Yeah Venom I think Linkin Park sun hadu, but ive not heard there shyt. WAt of Goodcharlotte wat du yu think of 'The Anthem'
No man I have not heard it yet but have u heard Bother by Stone Sour it is such a good song if u havent head it I would suggest u go look 4 it
I m suprised this topic has been here this long and i didnt know, people i think you r taking this music thingy too lightly, all giving your opinions and shooting in the dark. I think it is a far more serious issue than most of us would want to admit, here is something to get your attention.
The rule in islam: "denying something in islam that is haram to being halal or something halal to being haram is kufur"
The qur'an and hadeeth, along with the statements of the companions and salaf confirm the prohibition of music.
Surah Luqmaan:06
"and there are among men those who purchase idle talk (music and poetry) in order to mislead others from Allah's path without knowledge, and who throw ridicule upon it"
Idle talk has been interpreted to mean singing, listening and playing of musical intruments by various scholars and companions including Abdullah Ibn Masood ans Abdullah Ibn Abbas. Masood when questioned about the term Idle Talk replied 'I swear besides whom there is no other God, that it refers to singing (ghinaa).
Contrary to popular belief there are a number of Sahih (Authentic) Hadeeth which clearly point to the fact that music, instruments, singing to the accompaniment of instruments etc. are prohibited by the Shari'ah.
Sahih Bukhari
"there will be those of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine drinking and the use of musical instruments.."
The words, 'seek to make lawful', shows that music is not permissible. Furthermore the prohibition of music is mentioned along with major sins like drinking and fornication.
Ibn Majah, Abu Dawood and Ibn Habban
"A people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than that, it's real name. Merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of female singers. Allah will cleave the Earth under them and turn others into Apes and Pigs"
There are Hadeeths by Haakim Al Mustadrak, Musad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Majma uz Zawaaid that say
"Two cursed sounds are that of the wind instrument and that of wailing upon the occurrence of adversity"
Bukhari & Muslim both quote
"Remember! To fill a persons stomach with puss is better than to fill it with poems".
There are those who will argue that the prophet (saw) liked the sound of the Duff (a small hand drum without steel jingles) The beating of the Duff at weddings was not for the purpose of music, it was to announce the wedding.
An Nasee&Tirmidhi
"that which distinguishes the allowed marriage from the forbidden is the sound of the duff"
Though the scholars argue that the use of the duff was even only allowed for women.The duff was used by Arabs without rhythm, melody or any trace of immorality.
In the highly regarded book on fiqu and fatawa FATAWA RAHIMIYAH, it states:
"Quawwali ,tabla and musical intruments etc. are absolutley prohibited (haram). It is reported in the Musand of Ibn Abi Al-Dinar that the holy prophet (pbuh) said "In the last era a community from this Ummah will be transformed into monkeys and swines" The companions said "oh apostle of Allah! Will they not be believing in the Kalima 'there is no deity but Allah and Mohammed is his apostle'?" the prophet (saw) said "why not?" the companions asked "then what will be the reason for this punishment?" the prophet (saw) replied "they will adopt the profession of singing and music" he also said "It is a sin to hear music, it is a fault to sit at a musical fete and it is infidelity to derive pleasure from it" (Nisab, b.52,p 103, DM&S vol 5 p 306)
The great Imams, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi & Imam Malik all declared the playing of and listening to of music Haram.
This arguement can go on forever, but for those that want to know this is the position of the concensus of Islamic scholars.
Also note that listening to music is one thing and arguing it is permissable in Islam is another thing (far more trecherous).
Well Borg thanks so much for that post but I am so sorry I do not have anything 2 say about it right now cause I am kind of Preparing for my forth-coming exams which shall end on the 10th of April. So by God?s grace some time after the 10th I shall have something to say about that.
Mafi mushkila, and best of luck in the exams!!!
Ama I must thank you borg...na gode susai. This is what we all have been looking for cept for a few ofcause. To be honest I'm a music freak, that means I have a problem. Allah ya gafurtamana and I will do my best to minimise it. Thanks again
Masha Allah ...Alhamdulillah
Shukran, Shukran, Shukran... :)
Mun gode maka Borg da wannan info. Yanzu duk ma wanda ke doubting cewa music is HARAAM, to ga proof nan cewa it is HARAAM...
kuma it is not from weak sources, as u can see...
mun kara gode maka Borg...Allah ya biya...
... ur sayin poetry is haram?...
well, shouldnt music (especially with profanity) be "unwanted" or "disliked"... but haram? i dunno man.. music is a strong identity for culture and other things...
but there are other kinds of music that are allowed... Lord knows i listen to islamic songs ... and they even sell them in Mecca... so... ::)
You see we have now started venturing into the doubtful or unclear areas. Even though the concencus agree that Music (Soul, Jazz, Instrumental etc) is haram there are some scholars that say poetry and songs without musical instrument and that are for the praise of Allah are permissible, while there are others that still say no. Others say unless its in a battlefield where it motivates courage and Jihaad in the Path of Allaah, the Almighty.
On the authority of Al-Numan bin Basheer, who said : I heared the messenger of Allah say :
"That which is lawful is plain and that which is unlawful is plain and between the two of them are doubtful matters about which not many people know. Thus he who avoids doubtful matters clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor, but he who falls into doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful, like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all but grazing therein. Truly every king has a sanctuary, and truly Allah's sanctuary is His prohibitions. Truly in the body there is a morsel of flesh which, if it be whole, all the body is whole and which, if it be diseased, all of it is diseased. Truly it is the heart."
Narrated by Bukhari and Muslim
Borg...Allah ya sakama da alkhairi. You`ve solved the entire puzzle
not that am holy and that i dont litsen to music,
but there are only two instruments that are hala in Islam since our nobel prophet described the rest as "creation of shatan"
the two are
1) Daf (the arabian kinda drum)
and the second am not really sure though i guess its the arabian guitar.... i repeat am not sure maybe someone else knows :)
I'm compeled to ask of the guitar and piano...and they are mah favorites. What of flutes?
the arabs of the gulf love the flute,
i dont know if its the other halal instrument.
:)
but i certainly have doubts on the piano or the guitar....
i mean come on, they are inventions of the europeans. I dont think guitar and piano's history belong to 1400yrs.
i havent read of any expedition of the Nobel Prophet into europe,
sorry man, i aint of help that much. :)
Just because the piano and guiter was invnted by the europeans doesnt mean its haram...don't press a thing, the pc is haram. I though haram products are the drums which are beaten, this are string instruments...being plugged in some way....who knows som'n?
Duff is permtted but only in some case..... all other instruments are forbidden.....
Proof is coming soon.
Singing accompanied by the beating of duff is an approved type of lahw (vanity) for women during the `Eid. `Aa'isha (R) said: "Allah's Messenger, sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam, entered (my house) when I had two little girls singing the songs of Bu`aath (pre-Islamic war lore) and beating on a duff; so he lay down on the bed and turned his face away. Then Abu Bakr came in and scolded me saying, 'The flutes of Shaytaan played in the presence of Allah's Messenger?' So Allah's Messenger (saws), turned toward him and said, 'Leave them alone, O Abu Bakr! Every people have a `Eid, and this is our `Eid.' [Saheeh al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad and ibn Maajah]
Al-Baghawi commented on this hadith by saying:
"Bu`aath is a famous battle of the Arabs, in which there was a great victory for the Aws over the Khazraj. The war between the two tribes went on for one hundred and twenty years - until Islam came. The two girls were singing poetry that described fighting and courage, the mention of which is supportive to the Deen. But as for songs that involve mentioning sins, announcing prohibited matters, and displaying evil deeds - it is all prohibited. And it is impossible that anything like that would ever take place in the Prophet's (saws) presence without him objecting adamantly to it. And as for his saying 'this is our `Eid', it provides the reason for displaying joh in the two `Eids as being a symbol of the Deen, because they are different from other days." [Sharh us Sunnah 4:322]
From this hadith, and other subsequent evidence, it is important to note the following:
A) The Prophet (saws) did not object to Abu Bakr's statement that the duff, being a musical instrument, is a flute of Shaytan. This is taken as an approval from him (saws) of this general rule, which conforms with other authentic evidence prohibiting the use of musical instruments.
B) He (saws) modified Abu Bakr's understanding by indicating that there is an exception to this general rule on specific occasions.
C) The occasions in which Islam permits women to beat on the duff are the following:
1. The two `Eids
2. weddings, and
3. to celebrate the arrival from travel of a respected individual.
D) On these occasions, hearing the beating of duff is permissible for men, for Allah's Messenger (saws) did so and approved of it as is seen in the above hadith. However, it is not permissible for men to listen to women's singing, because this is a unjustifiable source of great fitnah. The Prophet's (saws) listening to two little girls does not constitute an evidence in this regard.
E) Because of the general texts prohibiting the use of musical instruments in general, the only musical instrument that the women are permitted to use is the duff; deriving any analogy from this to other instruments, and is in clear violation of simple principles of fiqh and reason.
F) This privilege of using the duff is not granted to men on any occasion - as will be discussed below.
G) The permission given to sing during the `Eids applies only to acceptable poetry that encourages good deeds and behavior. It cannot be extended to the songs calling to sins and disobedience, as is common in many cultures (see above earlier citation from al-Baghawi).
As indicated above, there are no reports that the male companions beat on the duff. Thus, beating the duff is allowed for women because it is typical of them, and Allah's Messenger (saws) permitted them to do it, but he (saws) forbade men's imitation of women and vice-versa. This view is upheld by the majority of the scholars; for instance Shaykh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (r) said:
"The Prophet (saws) permitted some types of rejoicing on the occasion of weddings and their like. He permitted the women, as well, to beat the duff during weddings and festivities. As for the men, during his time, not one of them would beat the duff nor clap their hands. Rather it is confirmed in the Two Sahihs that he (saws) said: "Clapping the hands is for women; and raising the voice with tasbeeh is for men." And "Allah curses those men who imitate women, and those women who imitate men." And singing and beating the duff are of the acts typical of women. Because of this, the righteous Salaf labeled the man who did that, effeminate." [Majmoo` ul-Fatawa 11:565]
And Ibn Qudamah (r) said:
"As for beating it (the duff) for men, it is makrooh (despised act) in all situations. It was only done by women; and if men do it, they would be imitating the women; and the Prophet (saws) has cursed those men who imitate the women." [Al-Mughni 9:174]
Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, commenting on Ibn Qudamah's words, said: "It is obvious that his words mean its prohibition (for men)." [Kaff ur-Ru`aa 35]
And al Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, the author of the great commentary of Saheeh al-Bukhaaree, said: "The hadith that says, "Announce (masculine plural command) the weddings and beat (masculine plural command) the duff for it,' is used by some people as evidence that beating the duff is not specific to women. However, this hadith is unauthentic; and the authentic hadiths (in this regard) give that permission to do that for women. Men cannot be included in that because of the general prohibition for men to imitate them." [Fath ul-Bari 9:226]
Al-Mubarakpuri agreed with this statement of Ibn Hajar, and he added: "The fuqaha (scholars) have said that the duff is that which has no bells, as ibn al-Hammaam mentioned... Likewise, the permissible singing during weddings is specific for women; it is not allowed for men." [Tuhfat ul-Ahwathi 4:210]
And the great commentator of the Qur'an, Ibn Kathir (r) said: "...Nothing is excluded from that prohibition of musical instruments, except beating the duff for the young girls - during `Eid days, at the arrival of a respected individual from travel, and during weddings - as has been indicated in the hadiths, and as has been established in various places. And permitting that in some situations does not lead to permitting it in all situations.
Common in our times are the ugly scenes prophesized by Allah's Messenger (saws) in which men and women gather to entertain themselves with musical instruments and other prohibited acts. [al-Bukhari, Abu Dawud, al-Bayhaqi and others] May Allah guide us to what is good for us in both lives.
well.. too much doubt... so i juss pray..GOD FORGIVE ME!!
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Just because the piano and guiter was invnted by the europeans doesnt mean its haram...don't press a thing, the pc is haram. I though haram products are the drums which are beaten, this are string instruments...being plugged in some way....who knows som'n?
excuse me son,
you have highly mis-understood me and i expect an appology
my statement were expressing the fact that these musical intruments are not very old, and even if they are..... The nobel Prophet might not have come across them
okay...thanks alot
Allah ya rufa mana asiri but music kam,,
QuoteAllah ya rufa mana asiri but music kam,,
Amin, man if u have not got Meteora yet u should go out and get it its really good.
I sincerely hope for your sake that you are not talking about 'link parks' album.
lol lol lol :D :D :D it is a good album
Not funny Venom, i am not amused! In this same thread there have been Quranic verses and Authentic Ahadith that prove that music is haram, it feels to me as if you are making a mockery of the deen. If you are hooked onto music and cannot let go, thats one thing but to come and openly suggest and recommend to others what is indeed haram and then to top it all up in the same thread that the proof has been presented, i think is very prudent. We do all this and at the end say Allah ya rufa mana asiri?
:-X
Borg its not like that, I am not making mockery of anything. I know that I have a really bad habit that is listen 2 music all the time and i know that it would take me some time b4 I can stop it. All I can say is may God help us all
Yall sholud all go buy tha Good charlotte album called "the youn and the hopless " venom its berra than linkin park cos i got all of em /
Man I just cant bring myself 2 go and buy the Good charlotte's album ever since I heard their single Lifestyle of the rich and famous I find it really annoying don?t u
for freaking out LOUD!!! stop discussing white punk music!!!!!!
are u guys well? >:( >:( >:( >:(
we got an image to maintain! >:( >:( >:(
aight!
white punk music lol
so who wants to be a lil clasical?
i say remix shatta's song with hard rock guitar.
shattaaaaaaaaa
yeah one two three
everyone in the house say
shattaaaa
yeah yeah.
shata may ganga mun gode
comon
say mun gode!
mallam yace all kinda music r HARAM , HARAM
banda sani dan indo,asharalle and kwairo.kuma wai da shata halal ne amma yanzu ya koma haram.
Mallam kalidu ya rawaito
In yai karya shi da ALLAH, ina ruwana
Quoteaight!
white punk music lol
so who wants to be a lil clasical?
i say remix shatta's song with hard rock guitar.
shattaaaaaaaaa
yeah one two three
everyone in the house say
shattaaaa
yeah yeah.
shata may ganga mun gode
comon
say mun gode!
Axtaghfurullahul Azeem
Venom that song iz tha Shyt juss even hear wat they wwere sayin theyre juss sayin the real stuff bout how these crazy celebs live , also listen to the Anthem its hot too and ....hey no song aint kool on dat album
kai? sai anyi maka bulala ko?
venom,i read somewhere that music is not completely haram.that it is classified among useless things like sports and plays.in the same book it also said that Allah SWT does not punish for useless things,but that too much of everything is bad
if borg says that there r verses in the holy quran and authentic hadiths stating clearly that music is haram,then perhaps we should forget about the book and believe that music is indeed haram.
uuummm......i think i'll go with tha book :)
gee you guys are still arguing over this issue...and the sticky point is not even rap or hip-hop, its loud unruly white-boy noise..lol na wa o....
It doesnt matter if its rap or mettalica or rock...blues whateva. Its all music, it seems we have fallen outta our point. Ha! afriqueen, u wanna stick to da book, how authentic is the book? how many authentic hadith do u have. I stick to borgs explanation, besides Judging by our conscience, we know its all wrong, yes we are into it we just have to try and avoid it...wid prayers too. I'm listening to drowning right now, but I know its consiquences. Beware of modern corrupt books. Dont get mi wrong....
Make I juss leave this place again.
uummm too wanna irin gardama nawa yu still dee on too allah bada saa. ;) ;) ;)
kai kai kai! wannan wuri!!! idan aka samu abu daya an dinga kenan...Allah ya kyauta ::)
i'm going wit' tha book too.. i trust adama.. na korrect pesin..
and borg.. not that i dont believe u..(i give u props too) but its juss that... music is a very strong background for identification, nations, culture, and LIFE.. and for it to be COMPLETELY haram is kinda like..... :-/.. maybe it's juss regulated...
but as part of the "USELESS" things.. i understand.. cuz there are luts of things like doing "IBADAH" that is a lot more beneficial. but music..as long as its in good taste... does no harm.
besides.. if it was a very very STRICT thingie.. then i betcha they wldnt be playin ISLAMIC music in mecca... they wldnt play music on the radio in saudi (u know how summa them arabs are kinda extreme)... and we wldnt have Islamic sites that promote Islamic music,...
Music is a shady issue... so juss select the kinda music u listen to... and i soooo agree that Music nowadays is a WAY to get OFF THE RIGHT PATH.. cuz u go to concerts and u'd see people strippin.. some music are in horrible tastes deluding young teens.. etc etc.. i agree to all that...
i know its strange..but listening to JILL SCOTT lead meeh to a wonderful Surah in the Qur'an... and u have muslim rappers like MOS DEF and TALIB KWELI promoting love and bond.. etc etc..
FLESH BONE from bone thugs and harmony is a Muslim now.. and he's kinda promoting ISLAM thru their album.. he had a WHOLE SKIT explaining how he converted to ISLAM and how he's ready to be a GOOD MUSLIM.. etc etc.. it was soooo touching!
music may be misleading in some cases.. but it can also be used for good causes.... e.g. YUSUF ISLAM!
Allahu Ya'alam!
good job dyme queen...;)