Quote from: "Guduma"
And in 1928 Dr. Chaim Weizmann the first Israeli President (1948-52) said " We will establish ourselves in Paletine whe ther you like it or not! You can hasten our arrival, or you can equally retard it. It is, however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive power being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world" !!!!!!!!!!!
The quote above is from our beloved brother Guduma he quoted Dr. Weizmann in order to prove a point in our discourse, the other day, under the topic,
Religion: The Problem Of Mankind. The recurring decimal in the indices of my thought is why did Weizmann and other Zionist ?gluttons? apparently speaking for the Jewish Nation will insist with fanatical determination in acquiring Palestine for their exclusive keep?
Why is it that blood or water does not seem to redirect the mind of the Talmudic Jew to view life with simplicity and in the interest of the World peace leave Palestine?
I am sure you too have been asking your self this conscience-burdening question. But why Palestine? Why and Why Palestine?
Well, the Jew has become a phenomenon in the history of mankind. While he thinks his, is an issue of a fate accompli those among the Gentiles or
Goyims - as he may find fun calling others- with insight to world affairs, think his ascendance means the decadence of the other races of humankind.
Whatever the case maybe, this question needs to be addressed squarely. Why Palestine?
I sincerely hope that at the end of this discourse we will be able to find a satisfactory answer to this question thus paving our way into the inner circle of the nucleus of the problem, and this may likely hatch a favourable solution to all and sundry: Those among us who sincerely desire peace and enduring consolation.
Waziri
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Quote from: "Khalil"Quote from: "Guduma"
And in 1928 Dr. Chaim Weizmann the first Israeli President (1948-52) said " We will establish ourselves in Paletine whe ther you like it or not! You can hasten our arrival, or you can equally retard it. It is, however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive power being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world" !!!!!!!!!!!
The quote above is from our beloved brother Guduma he quoted Dr. Weizmann in order to prove a point in our discourse, the other day, under the topic, Religion: The Problem Of Mankind. The recurring decimal in the indices of my thought is why did Weizmann and other Zionist ?gluttons? apparently speaking for the Jewish Nation will insist with fanatical determination in acquiring Palestine for their exclusive keep?
Why is it that blood or water does not seem to redirect the mind of the Talmudic Jew to view life with simplicity and in the interest of the World peace leave Palestine?
I am sure you too have been asking your self this conscience-burdening question. But why Palestine? Why and Why Palestine?
Well, the Jew has become a phenomenon in the history of mankind. While he thinks his, is an issue of a fate accompli those among the Gentiles or Goyims - as he may find fun calling others- with insight to world affairs, think his ascendance means the decadence of the other races of humankind.
Whatever the case maybe, this question needs to be addressed squarely. Why Palestine?
I sincerely hope that at the end of this discourse we will be able to find a satisfactory answer to this question thus paving our way into the inner circle of the nucleus of the problem, and this may likely hatch a favourable solution to all and sundry: Those among us who sincerely desire peace and enduring consolation.
Waziri
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The Palestine deserve what Isreal is doing to them. Why would Palestine Kill Innocent People. I pray that Sharon would kill all the Hamas Leader.
salam
Waziri i find one thing really confusing about this 'mideast' palaver.
1) isn't it true that jews are the Bani Isra'il mentioned in the Quran? if yes, then what did the Quran say as to where they reside (historically)? you must agree with me this is a very interesting question.
That said, I, under no circumstance, believe the zionists/colonists/terrorist/racists are entitled to live in peace in the mideast because they have brought untold hardship and murder to innocent muslims. Also, their inherent belief in being a superior race has not helped matters either.
Now to guest. this much is all i can say:
"the best answer to a fool is silence"
Quote from: "myadudu"salam
Waziri i find one thing really confusing about this 'mideast' palaver.
1) isn't it true that jews are the Bani Isra'il mentioned in the Quran? if yes, then what did the Quran say as to where they reside (historically)? you must agree with me this is a very interesting question.
That said, I, under no circumstance, believe the zionists/colonists/terrorist/racists are entitled to live in peace in the mideast because they have brought untold hardship and murder to innocent muslims. Also, their inherent belief in being a superior race has not helped matters either.
Now to guest. this much is all i can say:
"the best answer to a fool is silence"
Did I hear you say Innocent muslim. What is so Innocent about sucide bombers
what is innocent about the jews (who supposedly killed god) AXTAGHFURULLAHUL AZEEM (SINCE WE BELIEVE JESUS TO BE ALIVE AND HIM BIENG ONLY A PROPHET). Christians believe in inherited sin (madness) which is why Isah/Jesus (P.B.U.H) had to die on the cross to wash man's sin away. Ol boy maybe your pope has the power to forgive the jews for killing your "god" lol, but we arent allowed to forgive and forget attrocities against our people without proper judgement.
I dont blame americans and other whites for loving jews since they have been extensively brain-washed, in fact americans dont even have time for analysing matters for themselves, they work like slaves for 5/6 days a week and party like dogs on any holiday they are given. All an american knows is what he sees on TV thats it. shi kenan. But why do christians in other parts of the world support jews so much? i mean why our nigerian brothers? Ogun is the fountain of knowledge right? a yoruba would boast that ogun state has more P.H.Ds per square milimeter than anywhere, then why is it that my dear friends that you refuse to use your own kwakwalwa(brain)
Why is it a must that its what the white man that says is right? why cant Mandela be right? why must bush be right? are you suffering from inferiority complex? And sub-conciously matching your brains with the oyimbo so that he'd treat you as an equal?
My friend, even if someone doesnt know about christianity,islam or jewish religion and is told of such a people that have been so well connected and united for a single cause through thousands of years, even he will tell you that those people are surely dangerous.
Yes The PROPHET (S.A.W) did say more than 1400yrs ago that the jews would return, He(P.B.U.H) also said they'd be driven out. But it doesnt mean that we sit back and watch our boys, sisters, mothers, daughters, sons die. In-fact for a person to say that we shouldnt think about it too much and just take it as a course that would surely end in our benefit is just a pigeon that shuts its eyes thinking the cat will pass away. Put it this way, fill a plate of food and sit next to it, i bet you the whole of the universe that that food wont come into our mouth till you use your own hands. Providing the food was Allah's(S.W.T) duty, to eat is your duty.
TO LIBERATE PALESTINE, CHECHENYA, KASHMIR, IRAQ, PHILIPINE IS OUR DUTY.
I don't know where Al Hamza gets his stupid ideas from. What makes him think there is any evidence of white people or Christians loving the Jews. He mistakes what the Americans do and think with what the rest of us believe. Most intelligent Europeans (and many sensible Americans)recognise that America is led by an idiot who won the Presidency by fraud and that Jewish money determines what policy the idiot follows.
And the Pope (who continually calls for justice for the Palestinians) does not have the power to forgive anybody for anything.
It would be a great step forward if Al Hamza were to discover that most of the world - Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Bhuddists and whatever - supports the Palestinians and that most of the world (including most of the white people and most of the Chrisians) believe that American action in Iraq was evil and stupid and is getting worse.
Our Scottish national poet Robert Burns' greatest poem says " Its coming yet for a' that, that man to man the world over shall brothers be, for a' that". All men who love God are working for that, not shouting hate.
Sir David, actions speak louder than words, find me a batch of scotish men that would go to iraq, palestine, chechenya, kashmir or philipine to fight jihad or let it be a crusade for them against oppression. Can you find any such? or Sir Mcevan with deu respect would you be able to find any scotish man that would finance a jihad against the oppressors?
You see Mr David thats exactly what you people suffer from, you live in a totally different world. Reality is much different, you whites live in a matrix kind of world and for you we are the virus, which in fact is the reverse. Is there any European nation or American or non-muslim nation that has ever refused to recognise israel as a state? No! why? do you have any answer? there is no jsutification to israels creation, still you pump money and ammuinition into the jewish pockets for what? do you think the jews love cooking money or eating bullets? They use it to kill my brothers and sisters and have been doing so for the last 50yrs. What have you done about it? Forget bush, his IQ level is very little we all know, what about those before him and the ones before them?
I dont know if you want to stay away from the hard truth or if its the shame of what your people have been doing or if you are so colour blind that the palestinian blood looks like water to you, but sir evan over a billion muslims do think the same way i do.
Mr David, when i was 7 and most kids watched cartoons i use to read encyclopedia and watch Ahmed Deedats recordings on tape. i surely know more about the blunders your Popes have done, you live in a country where there is freedom of expression speech bla bla bla, find out about two popes please.
1) the one that forgave the jews for killing "god".
2) the one that issued certificates of going to heaven to people for money.
and oh please, when you get there names please do tell me, its been long since i was 7 you know ;)
nice to see u back in full force, mallam al hamza :lol: :lol:
Quoteactions speak louder than words, find me a batch of scotish men that would go to iraq, palestine, chechenya, kashmir or philipine to fight jihad or let it be a crusade for them against oppression. Can you find any such? or Sir Mcevan with deu respect would you be able to find any scotish man that would finance a jihad against the oppressors?
Oya find me a batch of arabs/muslims that reject the actions of the Hamas, Hizbollah, abu sayaff, al quaeda and all their contemporaries, and would not so callously refer to indiscriminate suicide attacks as any form of legit 'resistance', and are ready to put their money and their lives on the line..
and btw, what are YOU doing for those oppressed muslims, eh? shouting to the high heavens on this forum?I believe i've asked u this question b4.
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thats exactly what you people suffer from, you live in a totally different world. Reality is much different, you whites live in a matrix kind of world and for you we are the virus, which in fact is the reverse.
well lets just see how multidimentional and 'real' your world is, shall we?
QuoteTO LIBERATE PALESTINE, CHECHENYA, KASHMIR, IRAQ, PHILIPINE IS OUR DUTY.
Are these the only persecuted minorities in the world that you could think of, al hamza, the only groups for which scottish peeps should easily abandon their own families and sacrifice their hard-earned money and lives? why not for fellow long-sufferers tibet, hong kong? What about the kurds, what about northern ireland, the tamils of Sri Lanka? WHAT ABOUT THE SOUTHERN SUDANESE? Haba, why u dey do ajayi work for another pesin house when u neva finsh cleaning ya own? What about your fellow northern nigerian brethren, the majority of which live in utter depravity due to the apathy of their leaders? Which kin freedom be that? U no know say 'charity begins at home'? Are you putting the interests of some faraway folks b4 those of your own kin(surely that logic should fit in place with your racist leanings)
Have you ever heard of Western Sahara? What about the Congo? U think those ppl in the Niger Delta are happy? Are you sure the treatment of non-muslims in many so-called muslim nations cannot be improved? Did it ever occur to u that maybe, just maybe, the scots want to get the english yoke off their necks first, b4 thinking about others? Do I really need to go on?
Ansa kweshon!
I have a question who owns the land, According to history it is the Jews people , the Paletine are Immigrate...
I am not of a stock that boasts about what good they have done, thats why at an earlier post of yours i refused to say what i did for the people that are in problem deu to the imperialistic advances of the satanic US. But since you insist, i have worked free of cost(alhamdulillah) with an NGO for the betterment of AFGHANI refugees misplaced by american bombings. Plus the other things i have done are classified informations. Yes i have not had the chance to pick up arms thats because i have to have my parents permission till i am married to go for Jihad.
As for the "hard earned money" thats the difference between a muslim and a kafir(non-believer) for you everything is in this world, what you earn in money for you is what you think legitimate for only yourself to enjoy, where as for a good muslim, thats what Allah(S.W.T) has given him to help other people with. Have you ever noticed the number of other relations staying happy and normal lives in a hausa mans house? how often do you see that in a yoruba mans house?
And the problems of ireland, congo and other nations are their own ethnic or religeous problems, as muslims we are taught that all races are wiped, there is no white or black for a good muslim, there's only muslim or non muslim according to the teachings of our Prophet (S.A.W). As for Sudan, isnt america on it? how many people have died from the famine which arose from the sanctions that holy america has enforced on sudan?
LIONGER TO ARGUE WITH YOU IS AS IF TO SAY THAT YOU ARE ACCEPTED AS AN OPPONENT THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WHEREAS FOR YOU, AS WHAT THE ARABS SAY "THE CROW WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WHITE" (A CROW IS BLACK IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW)
AS FOR THE GUEST,
LET ME SHED SOME HISTORY FOR YOU,
THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF JURESALAM AREA BEFORE THE JEWS WHERE THE ARYANS, BEFORE THEM THE BABYLIONIC PEOPLE, BAR BARS, GERMANS, SOME CENTRAL ASIAN AND A FEW OF AFGAN TRIBES MAKE UP THE ORIGINAL ARYAN SOCIETY, SO WHY NOT ASK THE JEWS AND PALESTINIANS TO QUIT THAT LAND AND HAND IT OVER TO THE BAR BAR THAT WE HAVE IN NORTHERN AFRICA? SINCE THOSE BAR BARS ARE RAMPANTLY KILLED IN AREAS LIKE ALGERIA, TUNISIA LIBYA AND MORROCO OVER LAND DISPUTE? MY FRIEND TALK SENSE,
I HAVE ASKED IT BEFORE AND I WILL POSE THE QUESTION AGAIN,
THE RED INDIANS WERE MASSACRED BY THE INVADING EUROPEANS, IF ACCORDING TO THE MUSIC THAT THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS LOVE PLAYING, THAT THE PALESTINIAN AREA WAS ORIGINALLY ISRAEL AND AS SUCH LEGITIMISE THE JEWISH NATION, THEN WHAT SHOULD BE DONE OF THE AMERICAS? :) IT SIMPLY MEANS THE AMERICANS SHOULD ALL LEAVE THEIR LANDS AND PROPERTIES TO THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS!
IF ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO EXIST THEN CANADA, US, MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, PANAMA, BOLIVIA, CHILE, ARGENTINA, BRAZIL, VENEZUELA, HONDURAS E.T.C HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXIST, AND IF ALL THESE AMERICAN NATIONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST THEN ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST.
IT IS INTRESTING TO NOTE THAT ALL THESE NATIONS WERE BUILT BY DEMOLISHING, ENSLAVING OR WIPING OUT RED INDIAN SOCIETIES, WHEREAS THE JEWS LEFT FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD IN SEARCH OF BETTER LIVELIHOODS, NO ONE FLUSHED THEM OUT, SO ONCE YOU LEAVE A PLACE (AS THE WHOLE JEWISH NATION DID) YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER IT, ESPECIALLY AFTER A THOUSAND YEARS.
UNDERSTOOD?
al_hamza, So you would agree with me, that since other people have been on the land before the Jews people.. Then if the Palestine want to steal the land from them.. They should fight... And one on one between the two... Jews would win...
I think all Palestine should be move over to syran or Iraq or iran or saudia arabia... so that we all have peace.. hope you agree with me... the new Head of Hamas at the moment is from Eypgt but claim to be Palestine... Immigrate dreaming big....
al_hamza, So you would agree with me, that since other people have been on the land before the Jews people.. Then if the Palestine want to steal the land from them.. They should fight... And one on one between the two... Jews would win...
I think all Palestine should be move over to syran or Iraq or iran or saudia arabia... so that we all have peace.. hope you agree with me... the new Head of Hamas at the moment is from Eypgt but claim to be Palestine... Immigrate dreaming big....
is this the spirit of Islam to destroy everything and everyone...just like the fulani is destroying plateau state now.. and how the fulani made the Hausa slave forever.
Salamu Alaikum,
am... Aminuddeen been xtra busy, will try n answer dat question when I come up tomorrow. My boss is on me now with a heap data analysis to be made.
Al_Hamza, Lionger, Mr David we are all welcome back.
I wish all well
I am most grateful
Waziri
Quote from: "al_hamza"I am not of a stock that boasts about what good they have done, thats why at an earlier post of yours i refused to say what i did for the people that are in problem deu to the imperialistic advances of the satanic US. But since you insist, i have worked free of cost(alhamdulillah) with an NGO for the betterment of AFGHANI refugees misplaced by american bombings. Plus the other things i have done are classified informations. Yes i have not had the chance to pick up arms thats because i have to have my parents permission till i am married to go for Jihad.
Please stick to NGO work, don't waste your life! Why didn't you answer my first question?
QuoteAs for the "hard earned money" thats the difference between a muslim and a kafir(non-believer) for you everything is in this world, what you earn in money for you is what you think legitimate for only yourself to enjoy, where as for a good muslim, thats what Allah(S.W.T) has given him to help other people with. Have you ever noticed the number of other relations staying happy and normal lives in a hausa mans house? how often do you see that in a yoruba mans house?
lol some of ur arguments are so crudely and careless slapped..Did u read this thing b4 u posted it? Abeg check again: does your second sentence really have anything to do with the first?
QuoteAnd the problems of ireland, congo and other nations are their own ethnic or religeous problems,
O yea? so why should palestine be any concern of yours, or that of scotsmen? maybe that's what they've been saying all the while heheehe. who dash you multi-dimensional world view :roll: ?
Quoteas muslims we are taught that all races are wiped, there is no white or black for a good muslim, there's only muslim or non muslim according to the teachings of our Prophet (S.A.W).
Is this an excuse for your penchant for incoherent arguments without regard for religious and ethnic make-up? compare and contrast the former and latter quotes:
QuoteWhy is it a must that its what the white man that says is right? why cant Mandela be right? why must bush be right? are you suffering from inferiority complex? And sub-conciously matching your brains with the oyimbo so that he'd treat you as an equal?
my friend, you are a long, long way from being color-blind.
QuoteAs for Sudan, isnt america on it? how many people have died from the famine which arose from the sanctions that holy america has enforced on sudan?
every small tin america this, america that. Have you ever heard of the Lost Boys?
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LIONGER TO ARGUE WITH YOU IS AS IF TO SAY THAT YOU ARE ACCEPTED AS AN OPPONENT THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WHEREAS FOR YOU, AS WHAT THE ARABS SAY "THE CROW WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WHITE" (A CROW IS BLACK IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW)
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And you still did not answer my last question, though doing that would have been stating the obvious: that naturally u did not care about the sufferings of the oppressed kafir (if i may borrow that word). Which of course makes nonsense of your claiming to live for the world beyond. Sure, u're ready to die in battle, but for the palestinians and select others, not for, say, a bunch of orphaned dimka children at the mercy of the elements and the wild. nah, if u truly were not living for this world, u would love even the jews and americans. i'll leave it at that for now..
Salam all,
Aminuddeen let's look at it this way, today's Jews can be said partly to be Bani Isra'il as they are described in the Qur'an. But the other part that suggests they are NOT carries more weight. Three books are invaluable in this regard: Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reeds, False Inheritance by Michael Rice and The Thirteenth Tribe by a certain Arthur Koestler.
To start with, there are two groupings of the Jews today: Ashkenazim and Sephardim. Ashkenazim who are said to be the majority originated as evidenced by history, from a Turkish tribe called Khazar -- you can see the reason why Arthur Koestler named his book, The Thirteenth Tribe, meaning an additional tribe on the normal and accepted twelve tribes of Israel. They adopted the religion of Judaism for political expediency during the days of the crusades. Then, Muslims preferred the Jews to Christians and Christians preferred the Jews to the Muslims and as a result Khazar adopted Judaism that they may be able to escape aggression from every angle.
Now after hundreds of years of adherence to the laws of Talmudic Judaism they are more aggressive and prophetic in their mission than the avowed Jews. Some Muslim scholars think they are synonymous to the Yajuj wa Majuj, a Turkish tribe that is said will dominate every aspect of human life in the final days of this world. It is from this group of Jews we had people like Karl Marx and Chaim Weizmann which Guduma quoted above. It is also to them belong the credit of the communist revolution of Russia. Nine out of the top officials of the first Russian government after the revolution were Jews excepting Lenin and two others. They also form the most ardent Zionists and the majority of those who reside in Palestine today.
On the other hand, we have Sephardim Jews who are also known as Western Jews. They trace their origin to the two out of the twelve tribes of Israel: Levi and Judah. These two tribes have been the leaders, guardians of the Jewish law for long. They were the authors of Talmudic Jadaism. They were the ones who tried to kill Jesus, persecuted his followers and rejected the message of prophet Muhammad in the name of protecting the laws, genes and the tradition of the Jews. Evidence of history shows that the other ten tribes have always rejected their monopoly and it is mostly from them Jesus had his five hundred followers. It is also from them prophet Muhammad got some followers like Abdullahi Ibn Salam.
Now think about this. How many people would have evolved from the five hundred followers of Jesus for the past 2000 years? Or how many people would have evolved from the Jews who followed Muhammad in the last 1500 years? Take Abddullahi ibn Salam only, how many people would have evolved from him to this day? A little example is my family; we are today numbered almost 2,300 from a single progenitor dating back to 1800 A.C. only two hundred years back.
The Sephardim Jews claim that the other ten tribes are lost but the fact of the matter is they are among the other Palestinians that are daily being put to death, it is unfortunate.
Going back to the issue of Zionism. The first Zionist leader was Dr. Theodore Hearzl who was from Sephardim Jews. During all his days, He and the other Western Jews agitated for a Jewish state somewhere on this planet and they were given Uganda in the African continent. He accepted and addressed the 6th world Zionist congress in that regard. Majority of them voted in support but the remaining Jews from the East, Khazar Jews, rejected the idea; they cried and said he had betrayed the nation of Zion and that where they want is Palestine and nowhere.
Since then, as one writer observed, Theodore Hearzl started changing in character and disposition and just like that was found dead in the streets. From thence Chaum Weizmann , a Khazar Jew ascended the throne of Zionist movement, now, stop a little and read the quote by Guduma above.
Today we have a good number of Khazar Jews forming the majority of those inhabiting Palestine as their so-called home land, thus the question comes again WHY PALESTINE. Why did Khazar Jews are insisting on Palestine? Why and why? You can see from what we have said above, they are not the Bani Isra'il that are mentioned in the Qur'an.
Khazar Jews have the Media and the financial institutions in this new world now. They are even bold enough that they often look down on the Sephardim Jews as inferior Jews. Kaji Karfin hali ko?
It is when this subject is allowed open discussion we will find real panacea for the problem of middle-east, the problem human race, and the time to start the discourse is no better than now.
please the above post is by me Khalil
I wish Al Hamza would respond to what I actually say and stop ranting on in his obvious hate of whitemen, Christians and lots of other groups that have done him no harm.
Let me plainly say again a few simple things.
1. Most of the world completely deplores what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. The vast majority of white people deplore what Israel is dong to the Palestinians. The vast majority of Christians deplore what Israel is dong to the Palestinians. The United Nations has continually deplored what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. The Pope continually calls for justice for the Palestinians.
Do not blame everybody else for the wicked and stupid behaviour of the USA in this issue. America is corrupt. Jewish money buys the Presidency at every election and that is why George Bush supports the evil behaviour of Ariel Sharon. But it is nothing to do with me.
I believe many of the Arab States of the Middle East are too fond of America and American power. They too have been compromised and are not as strong for the Paleastinians as they should be. That is why we have terrorism - because all hope has been taken fron the Palestinians.
Why don't you shout at the leaders of the Middle East, Al Hamza? They are the ones who should be protecting the Palestinians. Instead many of them are in America's pocket>
Dear sir Mcewan...
I am highly un-impressed by the allegations of racism leveled against me. I do hope we'll sort that out over a mug of beer (strictly non-alcoholic) when i get to the uk next year (for studies). It would be nice if you'd know the proper history of William Wallace (a hero to me) so our conversation would be highly lively.
What did i say anti christian by the way? Was it the pope issue? Or was it the israel recognition thing that sparked such comments? If it was the pope issue then you deserve an appology, not because i might have hurt your feelings by telling you the truth, but because in my Religion, i am taught that saying anything bad or interfering with someone elses religion is strongly against the doings and taechings of our Nobel Prophet(S.A.W).
Do you now understand how i feel when you compare our sharia laws to that of your middle age europe? Live and let live sir ewan, live and let live! Our sharia law will help make sure that your wife doesnt cheat on you and you dont cheat on your wife, it will make sure that your daughter doesnt have to have an abortion or show her body to attract a male for matrimonial purpose. It would make sure that you dont worry about wether you locked your door before comming to office or not. Anyways i hope i have achieved my prupose though through dis-tasteful means.
If it was the issue of israel, then i am sorry sir, you deserve no appology at all, since you have uptill now refused to acknowledge the fact that israel isnt a nation that has any justification of bieng born. If you agree with me, then we can be pals and i promise to be a nice "lad".
HMMMM so as you said, many "whites" are against the doings of israel huh? wow okay, so why no sanctions against israel like sudan? I do agree that there are concerns in Europe, i read about the pilot of air-france that said "welcome to Palestine" when he touched down at an israeli airport(lol that was a scene! the guy refused comming out of the plane). Why does your media then portray hamas as a terrorist cell instead of a freedom fighter people? Are your contries also controlled by dictators ? if they are who'll invade them to free you people from governments that dont represent your views?
Good thing the Pope says "Justice" (though i never heard of it) for the Palestinians, but why do his followers then not bring justice to the poor Palestinians? Is the Pope then solely for decorative purposes?
Yes it is true that many rich muslim states are in the hands of the Americans, the whole of the gulf nations, let me start with the smallies, kuwait is shia, shi'ites and sunnis have had problems since time immemorable, sunnis dont consider shi'ites to be muslims, thats because
the shi'ites believe Sayyidna Ali (the nephew of the Prophet) was supposed to be the Prophet, but angel Jibril (Gabriel) came to Prophet Mohammed(S.A.W) by mistake, they call the first three khalifas traitors(axtaghfurullah), all of whom were beloved companions of the Prophet(S.A.W). On the Day of the Matyrings of the Khalifas, or the days on which they died, shi'ites distribute sweets. I study in a country where a significant amount of the population is shi'ite, i could go on and on but i think i have given you some major points.
So you can see the major difference that sunnis and shias have, Palestine is sunni whole-blood and apart from Saudia, Yemen and U.A.E no country is sunni majority in the whole Gulf, thats why its always the arab platform is the first to shout about the daily attrocities not the OIC. If you talk of Pakistan, which is a major power in the muslim ummah, they have their own problem which is india and kashmir, for Pakistan to simply rise and go to war with israel or get in a tussel could be very damaging, since pakistan has no natural resources and is based solely on trade of finished products for its foriegn trade. It is intresting to note however that under Zia-ul-Hoque, israel did try to bomb nuclear installations in pakistan, thanks to the early warnings of the saudis, Zia sent a threat note that if any such act was made, he'd not hesitate to press the button (he meant a nuke missile according to annalysts).
So since Saudia is sunni and practices sharia why doesnt it liberate Palestine? thats an intresting question of-course, the King is by many believed (and he surely acts like that) to be the best friend america has ever had in the Arabs or muslims, thats one way to think,
the other is the King might just be wise enough to know that IF he was to declare war on israel, then of-course there'd be a very very bloody conflict, of-course the americans would side the jews, (which means superior arms) and it wouldnt be surprising if the jews step on Saudi soil during the early days of the war, this would mr Ewan mean, the whole of the muslim world involved, i cannot guarantee Turkey, but i do guarantee you WORLD WAR III.
The way things are going Sir, if the imperialistic advances continue, i assure you peace would be something we could only dream about in the next decade.
i hope i have done a good job,
do you know how to play a bag pipe by the way?
any further questions?
please do ask and please no allegations please.
salam
waziri i suppose you are right but it doesn't really answer my question. So is my assumption- Ie Israealis are entitle to some part of palestine but not whole of what they occupy now, right?
I know for a fact that many of the Jews living in the occupied israel are not infact jews. Most of the eastern european jews are imposters like you asserted. and they are, as you said racist towards sephradic jews.
Bissalam
Well Amin if your question is that then I say they do not have right to any piece of land there. Cos this is what Allah says:
Oh Children of Isreal, call to mind the favours which I bestow on you and fulfil your covenant with me and I will fulfil my covenant with you and fear none but me.
This goes to say they have nothing promised to them from God if they do not fulfil their part of the agreement, and they do not. They the Jews know that in the Qur'an they have no proof whatsoever and as such they use the Holy Bible, Genesis 17:8 to prove their case. But even there the land of canaan is said to be given to the seed of Abraham which Arabs are part and parcel. Though they say Arabs are decendants of Abraham thru' Hagar a bond woman who gave birth to a "bastard", Ishmael but in our reading of the Bible we come across where Abraham confessed that Sarah his wife is his sister. So we ask them as to whether it is better to have a child with your sister than a bond woman?
Let the Jews seek for peace and find more meaning to life than the trash they are offering mankind. It is unfortunate!
ONLY GODS KNOWS. ALLAH DA YA KIYAYE YA KUMA KAREMU DUKKAN MUSULMAI GABAKI DAYA
Amin sis, Amin!
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