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Title: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 03, 2003, 03:21:28 AM
Assalamualaikum,
My write up may be bulky but please spare a little bit of your time to read through for meaningfull suggestions.

In the last decade,The nigerian governments has increased the prices of petroleum products several times,i think up to five times,in the name of removing subsidy and preventing smuggling of the products.On june 20th 2003,the ?democratically elected government of chief Obasanjo increased these products to more than 50%, the government said it was subsidizing local consumption to the tune of 250 billion naira annually,Mr president argued that the money could have been better used for more important developmental projects,that's why his government finds it necessary to deregulate the down stream sector of the petroleum industry,The only beneficiaries of the subsidy provided by the government,the president argued,are the rich who continues to get richer and not the masses.Within the said period,inflation is on the increase,virtually,the price of everything has skyrocketed-foodstuffs,transportation and other essential commodities.

In my opinion,Deregulation is not the answer,It is merciless to impose an increase in the prices of the petroleum products which is equivalent to increasing the prices of everything as i mentioned earlier.We all know the status of an average nigerian,according to a report recently released by the world bank,about 70% 0f nigerians are leaving below the poverty level -what a pity,eventhough Mr president has disagreed with the report to the extent of commiting about 200 million naira for verifying the report.Afterall,he has not tell us what he has done with the previous billions of naira from the subsidies he withdrew since 1999?How will he comvince us that the products will be available at the new rates.We all know what Abacha (R.I.P) did with the subsidy he withdrew from the petroleum products.

The major cause of this problem is the nonfunctioning of our refineries,as the sixth world producer of crude oil,sadly,nigeria is relying on the importation of the refined products,even with the importation the products are scarce, the government has refused to repair these refineries.They were pointing accusing fingers to Sani Abacha(R.I.P)that his family were obtaining profits from the business of importing the refined products that's why he neglected the refineries,now, five years after Abacha the refineries are still not working,they should tell us who the importers are and why they refused to put the refineries in order.
It is a pity that this government cannot curbe the activities of the smugglers,those smugglers,no doubt operate in collusion with NNPC and the registered petroleum marketers.It is the responsibility of any well meaning government to arrest such activities as smuggling,But this our government has already succumbed to the smugglers,which is a sign of incompetency.

We have suffered enough,the masses are already in muribund.I don't think removing subsidy at this time will solve the problem,i presume Mr president needs some more money for his globethrotting during his second tenure.(remember the most widely travelled president in the world?).Afterall,what are governments for? if they cannot subsidize petroleum products to it's masses.
What do you think is going to solve such a problem that has been lingering for decades?
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Fulanizzle on July 08, 2003, 01:57:09 PM
we gatta looong way to go

Imagine a country so rich..so blessed..its a shame we go thru these things a shame i tell ya

 
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: al_hamza on July 08, 2003, 03:07:16 PM
"WE HAVE MAINTAINED PEACEFULL CO-EXISTANCE WITH OUR NIEGHBOURS AND SHALL CONTINUE TO DO SO, BAKASSI PENINSULLA IS OURS AND THE PEOPLE ARE NIGERIANS"

HIS EXCELENCY
GCON,MNI, SSS,
COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES
HIS EXCELENCY
LATE GENERAL SANI ABACHA

ALLAH AKBAR
MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PERFECT PEACE

i wish i could just meet him once
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: lionger on July 09, 2003, 11:02:00 PM
For once I completely agree with your diagnosis BARDE  ;D.

al hamza what does your post have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 11, 2003, 01:19:25 AM
QuoteFor once I completely agree with your diagnosis BARDE ?;D.

al hamza what does your post have to do with anything?
Haba Lionger,why are saying this is the first time we are agreeing?shebi we agreed on what i wrote pertaining Abati's article?and i know you will agree with me in my next topic InshaAllah,just keep a date.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: gogannaka on July 11, 2003, 02:45:29 AM
 wow barde this is a very broad topic u've got here it wud take a whole day discussing nigeria's crisis n(not only energy)
imagine 40 years after independence we're still struggling to get the basic amenities(water, light ,roads etc).at this age nigeria's supposed to have embarked on projects such as saminu turaki's(yes the jigawa state gov.) the guy's ahead of nigeria u know(in terms of developmental projects)

I really pity us o

anyway with threads like this who knows one day someone .... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: lionger on July 11, 2003, 10:29:18 PM
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Haba Lionger,why are saying this is the first time we are agreeing?shebi we agreed on what i wrote pertaining Abati's article?and i know you will agree with me in my next topic InshaAllah,just keep a date.

Sorry Barde, I haven't visited that thread since my last post on it; plus it was meant to be my last post on the subject anyways
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2003, 03:02:26 PM
oh yes lionger,
what does the post have to do here?
do u know abacha is the most harrased dead man after hitler?
am sure you do!
though he pulled nigeria back and we were enjoying security and  many basic facilities under "SANCTIONS"!
we were also proud of bieng nigerians at that time.
today in a foriegn place...... i think twice before i tell of my origin.
we faced sanctions and very basic facilities were banned for export to nigeria.... do we face the same situation today without sanctions?

be the judge
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2003, 05:56:45 PM
Just a question to gogannaka Do you know Saminu Turaki kuwa? and do you mean ahead of Nigeria or behind Nigeria?
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: gogannaka on July 15, 2003, 01:54:15 AM
QuoteJust a question to gogannaka Do you know Saminu Turaki kuwa? and do you mean ahead of Nigeria or behind Nigeria?
hehehe i know saminu Turaki mana..sincerely speakin the guy's ahead of nigeria (i mean the kind of projects he embarks in jigawa).for example his broadband project or the solar energy projects;i mean,after 40 yrs of independence ,at least, these are the kind of projects we ought to be executing, not the "aluta" for LIGHT, WATER or ROADS...

anyways i dont know why you consider him "behind" nigeria
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2003, 07:03:43 PM
I cant help nut to agree with Gogannaka. I think one of the most visionary leaders in the current dispensation is Alhaji aminu Turaki. He is the only State Administrator that cares so much about education. The Jigawa State Teachers are the best paid in the last four years and the result has shown that it is working. Furthermore all his programs are well orchestrated. When he started the frog farming everyother person was laughing but to be honest with you it is one of those ways that the northern states will be empowered and will not be disturbed about resource control. Another lofty idea is the Maigatari Border Processing Zone.

An old market that attracts merchants and buyers from all over west africa already more than 40 manufacturing companies have committed to setting up industries there the Americans and 3 other enterpreneuers are already doing business there. With time this will mean a lot of revenue for the state and fx for the nation.

And the broadband project is one of the best things that any govt, local, state or federal has ever midwifed. Later the people of Jigawa State will thank him for his ideas and will pray for him. When Alhaji Audu Bako was the Gov. of Kano State he made a lot of visionay plans and looked at the potentials of the state and noticed that Agric is the main stay of the economy he started the irrigation programm but what were pople saying? He was mad and crazy, the man is now the most respcted ex-governor in the state. Pleae allow Saminu to be carry on Turaki.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Dave_McEwan_Hill on July 17, 2003, 01:44:45 AM
I am overjoyed to hear Audu Bako receiving the praise his memory deserves. His visionary plans should be reintroduced and put into practice. Kano State could become one of the most prosperous parts of Africa if the right plans were put into place.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: lionger on July 21, 2003, 07:34:03 PM
Quoteoh yes lionger,
what does the post have to do here?
do u know abacha is the most harrased dead man after hitler?
am sure you do!
though he pulled nigeria back and we were enjoying security and ?many basic facilities under "SANCTIONS"!
we were also proud of bieng nigerians at that time.
today in a foriegn place...... i think twice before i tell of my origin.
we faced sanctions and very basic facilities were banned for export to nigeria.... do we face the same situation today without sanctions?

be the judge

Abacha the most harassed dead man after Hitler? Of course not, but what do you expect when his successor is a man he jailed? And what did Abacha pull Nigeria back from? You were proud of being a Nigerian under Abacha? We had basic facilities under him? As the akata ppl would say, negro please!

Just because times are hard and we have an imcompetent leader does not mean that we should bring back a previous imcompetent and greedy dictator. When will we stop this shameful recycling? Abacha was no savior in respect to the energy crisis (or any other aspect of Nigeria), re-read Barde's post. Life wasn't rosy in his time.This crisis did not start with this administration, it started with the government's mismanagement of the profits from the the oil boom of the 70s. As Barde has rightfully indicated, it's only common sense ?to fix the refineries. Abacha did not do that, neither has OBJ. But both of them withdrew subsidies instead. The lesson: recycling incompetency will not make our economic problems go away! Na wa for dis country.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: dfynest on July 21, 2003, 08:32:27 PM
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When will we stop this shameful recycling?
ehen, lionger, submit your resume and four pasport photographs. We want to start grooming you for 2007.

signed;
Chief Chris Uba. (Godfather)
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: ummita on July 22, 2003, 01:10:51 AM
She laffs.

4 Nigeria so much has been said bout this great land, but very few of what has been said has been done and even what has been done has not changed Nigerias crises. And the way I c it,politics has done enough damage ::)
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Guduma on July 22, 2003, 06:20:32 PM
We are exceptionally and crudely disorganized! This our undoing that will continue to haunt us for as long as we continue having visionless and directionless leaders. A toddler at forty three! To think that there are countries in this world that do not have any oil resourses, but have better and more organized refineries with proper energy policy in place than naija, is a big shame. We must stop misplacing our priorities and concentrate on viable projects that will improve the lot of our people. Imagine for the last four years the oil industry is being run by the President himself without a minister, save for a schedule-less oil adviser! WHY? 8) We send our crude oil abroad for refining, despite our four refineries, simply because we cannot any of them!!!!!
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 23, 2003, 02:37:32 AM
If at all the present regime is interested in repairing the refineries,they would have done so without spending a kobo.What they will do is just to invite those who build the refineries and tell them that we want to repair these refineries but we don't have money, instead we will compansate you with crudeoil.Since nigeria is bless with abundant of crude oil.That's how they use to compansate julius berger in some of the projects they are executing.

Just imagine what the vice president said,in a recent interview with BBC hausa service, the reporter asked him why they refuse to repair the refineries during their first tenure? he replied that even if the refineries are working to capacity,the scarcity will persist cose they will not meet up with the demand,the vice president concluded that the products will continue to be scarce as long as nigerians refuse to agree with the appropriate price or complete deregulation of the oil sector.Does this kind of answer suppose to come out from an elected vice president? who have the sympathy of those who elected him,the government claim that they are going to use the money in the best interest of nigerians while nigerians are saying that let the money be use in subsidising the product,are we really in a democracy?are governments suppose to implement what people want or are they suppose to impose what they feel like?
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: lionger on July 25, 2003, 06:52:11 PM
QuoteIf at all the present regime is interested in repairing the refineries,they would have done so without spending a kobo.What they will do is just to invite those who build the refineries and tell them that we want to repair these refineries but we don't have money, instead we will compansate you with crudeoil.Since nigeria is bless with abundant of crude oil.That's how they use to compansate julius berger in some of the projects they are executing.

Just imagine what the vice president said,in a recent interview with BBC hausa service, the reporter asked him why they refuse to repair the refineries during their first tenure? he replied that even if the refineries are working to capacity,the scarcity will persist cose they will not meet up with the demand,the vice president concluded that the products will continue to be scarce as long as nigerians refuse to agree with the appropriate price or complete deregulation of the oil sector.Does this kind of answer suppose to come out from an elected vice president? who have the sympathy of those who elected him,the government claim that they are going to use the money in the best interest of nigerians while nigerians are saying that let the money be use in subsidising the product,are we really in a democracy?are governments suppose to implement what people want or are they suppose to impose what they feel like?

Kai. And yet OBJ was busy globetrotting and begging Nigerian engineers abroad to come back and help rebuild the country. They say one one thing and do another. We should come back ke? Come back to what?
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: sdanyaro on July 26, 2003, 12:40:53 AM
Assalamu alaikum;

(http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/goro01.jpg) BARDE this goro is for you for starting this topic. Also I want to thank all for contributing to this topic...

Below are two images I took in Abuja on the eve of the Fuel Price increase. It took me a little over 5 hours to get my car tank filled with about 50 litres of Nigerian? Petrol (Gasoline). The Gas station is the AP Gas station directly opposite NICON Hotel (Maitama, Abuja) and I joined the cue at the IBB Round About by British Council along Shehu Shagari Way...

(http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/gasoline_line_abuja01.jpg)

(http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/gasoline_line_abuja02.jpg)
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 27, 2003, 09:05:22 PM
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Kai. And yet OBJ was busy globetrotting and begging Nigerian engineers abroad to come back and help rebuild the country. They say one one thing and do another. We should come back ke? Come back to what?

That was during his first tenure,can you imagine he has gone to four countries in about two months of his second tenure,He was in Zimbabwe to deliver lectures on democratic behaviour,that he himself needed morethan the zimbabwen president,then to liberia to put out foreign fires,when his country was paralised during the fuel increase protest,then to mozambique for african union summit,after that to Saotome to install the ousted president.All these walkabout is at the expense of nigerians,only God knows how much he and his entorage received as travelling allowances.
And we are now in the seventh month of the year,he has not done anything about the budget.Our legislators too are not helping matters,they are busy discussing the political gangsterism that happened in Anambra state.

Why are the engineers coming back when he, as president did not put anything in place for rebuilding nigeria and it seems he is not ready to do that for the rest of his tenure.God forbid.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 27, 2003, 10:18:39 PM
QuoteAssalamu alaikum;

(http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/goro01.jpg) BARDE this goro is for you for starting this topic. Also I want to thank all for contributing to this topic...

Below are two images I took in Abuja on the eve of the Fuel Price increase. It took me a little over 5 hours to get my car tank filled with about 50 litres of Nigerian? Petrol (Gasoline). The Gas station is the AP Gas station directly opposite NICON Hotel (Maitama, Abuja) and I joined the cue at the IBB Round About by British Council along Shehu Shagari Way...

(http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/gasoline_line_abuja01.jpg)

(http://www.kanoonline.com/YaBB/salisu/gasoline_line_abuja02.jpg)

Mallam Salisu,nagode kwarai da kyautan goro.You were lucky not to have joined the queu after NIPC through RAW MATERIALS to the BRITISH COUNCIL ROUNDABOUT then back to the filling station.You were also lucky to have gotten the fuel in five hours.
The images are very beautiful,they will give an oppurtunity for people like lionger,fulanious e.t.c living abroad to see the kind of hardship we are going through.Those who live in abuja and lagos are luckier for seeing the fuel in filling stations than the rest of Nigerians.
Is it not shameful to our leaders?the filling station we are talking about is directly opposite Nicon Hilton, where all the guest putoff whenever they are in Nigeria,that's where bush himself lodged when he came,No wonder they ignored the president when he was begging them for debt relieve.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Fulanizzle on July 28, 2003, 12:18:28 PM
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!

HOLY MACARONI!!!!

WHOA NOW THATS JUST  :o :o :o

 
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Fulanizzle on July 28, 2003, 12:24:27 PM
THIS IS JUST SO BAD....SO BAD..SO UNFORTUNATE...
COZ ITS ALL SO SO EASY.....CLEANING UP THE EMSS IN NIJA CAN BE DONE IN JUST 1 YEAR.....AND EVEN LESS...

ITS ALL SO EASY...AND THE LEADERS AND WORKING ENOUGH OR SHOULD I SAY ARENT WORKING AT ALL...

 
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Fulanizzle on July 28, 2003, 01:33:40 PM
i give up...i will spit my mind out!
Okayyy i probaby might do sum people wrong by saying what i am about to say.......but the truth always hurt...now yall know that... and someone gasta put the scattered marbles back in the jar...

See as i started sayin its all sooo simple and easy....
look at this and pls yall do the math for me...

A POLICE MAN livin in say ABUJA(expensive place)...with a MINIMUN of THREE CHILDREN....

---and MINIMUM of 3 wives....just kidding ;D----

anywayzzz recieves 10000 naira every month..HE is expected to pay the LIGHT bill...Water bills..PHONE BILLS(if he has any)...FEES for the THREE children....CLOTHES....ATLEAST three pair of shoes..UNIFORMS...BOOKS...PENCILS...PEN...BUY COOKING GAS...RENT...CAR GAS...MEDICAL BILLS...oooh FOOD... and then they are provided with GUN to protect people... well how in the heavnez do they xpect a broken down person to keep his cool? OFCOURSE HEZ GONNA USE THE GUN IN ANOTHER WAY TO FIND HIS WAY THRU LIFE.

see...the changes must start from the very top! see...NIGERIA IS ONE OF THE TOP OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES...Nigeria has natural resources....we have food.as in crops and all...and my brothaz out there r keepin it real and really taking care of the cows...I mean we have more than enough...weve got land...weve got tourism areaz(we need to develop some of them though)...weve got the resources financially....man we have a HIGH potential of going all the way up!

first of all....people shouldnt be thinking about only themselves...money should be released...and when i say money,i mean ENOUGH money....people have to change their hearts first too...try to be more more.....honest and dedicated.

They release more money....so that uncompleted projects will be finished and done very WELL. and the people with their contracts should fear God and do the JOB well instead of eating the money and doing fake jobs. and a kind of investigation and inspection should ALWAYZ be carried out to make sure those JOBS are weldone or otherwise SERIOUS penalty will be followed.

another problem nijeriya has is security....okay couls any1 pls tell me what the soldiers r doing???? we have like what? like thousands upon thousands of em... they r just sitting there like sardines...being ignored and frustrated.... GIVE THEM WORK TO DO...let them go into the bushes...forest n capture all these bandits....anyone that captures a bandit will get a promotion and plus money will be given as token of appreciation....in a week....believe me u can even travel with a car made of diamond at 2 am....soldiers and police join forces and work on this issue....we have the money and power to supply them with weapons and cars and etc..

and  u know what.....unless the people -dont wanna be specific- can change this aint gonna happen!
they know that they will HAVE TO PART with the bad money they r consuming...so they are NOT willing and NOT ready to let money flow and be used the way it should be! After all HEY they are not the ones whose kids go to uni in nijeria...hey the kids always go to london or US for simple medical check up.....soooo what do they care if other people r suffering....

as I said HEARTS must be changed first!

salamu alaikum...i leave u in peace
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: kilishi on July 28, 2003, 02:24:47 PM
Yes fulanicious Nigeria is blessed with anything u can think of but the problemis,any body that get their is trying to get his own National cake,he also wants his own share,'cos after retirement to get ur own dues is another wahala.The system and the people are all curropt,and even Nigerians[i mean the poor masses] themselves,will use any opportunity to acquire something that is not thiers,think of transportes and market people the moment their is hike they will all increase their fares even if that thing didn't affect them.Somebody was suggesting revolution,i think is impossible 'cos of the diversity of the nation,only prayer and lot of determination will pull us out of this shamble.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Gimbiya on July 28, 2003, 05:15:33 PM
After I have visited Nigeria and saw the situation the country is in, I am here asking this quesstion do you guys think that politics is the right thing for Nigeria right now? should we continue on with Democracy in the nation? it looks like it doesn't help the country at all
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 29, 2003, 01:55:01 AM
Quoteshould we continue on with Democracy in the nation? it looks like it doesn't help the country at all

Am sorry Gimbiya,we are not operating democracy,what we have is just civilian rule.cose leaders are suppose to have listening ears for the masses in a real democratic setup contrary to what is happening now,the leaders are just doing what will favour them,Just imagine they are trying to implement something called monetisation.i think democracy will be the best system in a country like nigeria,if at all it will be well implemented.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Barde on July 29, 2003, 02:44:56 AM
Quote

A POLICE MAN livin in say ABUJA(expensive place)...with a MINIMUN of THREE CHILDREN....

---and MINIMUM of 3 wives....just kidding ;D----

anywayzzz recieves 10000 naira every month..HE is expected to pay the LIGHT bill...Water bills..PHONE BILLS(if he has any)...FEES for the THREE children....CLOTHES....ATLEAST three pair of shoes..UNIFORMS...BOOKS...PENCILS...PEN...BUY COOKING GAS...RENT...CAR GAS...MEDICAL BILLS...oooh FOOD... and then they are provided with GUN to protect people... well how in the heavnez do they xpect a broken down person to keep his cool? OFCOURSE HEZ GONNA USE THE GUN IN ANOTHER WAY TO FIND HIS WAY THRU LIFE.



My sister even the 10000 naira is not regular,their number of days in a month is around 60-90 days instead of the normal 30 days.i had a chat with a police man just like week,if you hear their condition one will pity them,think of a situation where by a police man is sent to a bush well armed for two weeks without any allowance,What do you think will happen? The accomodation you are talking of is not well provided even for the senior officers talkless of the junior ones.that's why those in charge of federal investigation and intelligent  bureau refused to relocate from lagos to their headquarters in abuja,they said they are not coming back if their accomadation is not taken care of.Infact these are among the reasons that compelled them to go on strike,have you ever heard of a country where the police force went on strike?kai uncle sege deserves a special award for steering a country that witness the first ever strike by the police.
Title: Re: Nigeria's Energy Crises
Post by: Guduma on August 07, 2003, 07:52:16 PM
We lack so much in this country, especially in terms of patriotism and good wishes for one another. Our government is not so interested in seeing our hardships ameliorated. What does it matter if government can today sell a litre of petrol @ N20:00 to its citizens? Most countries of the world are busy cushioning and making life easier for their citizens by way of making abundant the needs of citizens. We lack good portable drinking water, good roads, medicalcare, roads, qualitative education and direction. It is high time our leaders are made to understand that things have to change for better as most of the people in this country are becoming disinterested in the enterprise called NIGERIA!