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Title: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!!!
Post by: ummita on February 20, 2003, 06:04:46 PM
I taught I should find out what others have in mind with regards to GM foods. No need for defination as all of you are professors.

But ...still I'll go ahead for the benefits of those who dont have a clear picture.

Genetically modified foods are crop plants created for humans or animals consumption using the latest molecular biology techniques. These plants have been modified in the labouratory to enhance desired traits such as increased resistance to herbicides or improved nutritional content. Fair enuff :-X

We need food to eat, stay well, feel well & most inportantly for survival. But we need these foods to stay well and eat healthy. What are the major risk involved with GM foods?

Would you agree if I say GM foods raises the possibility of human health, environmental & economic problems, including unanticipated allergic resposes (Am allergic to baked beans)
tolerance to wild plants, inadvertent toxicity to benign wildlife & increasing control of agriculture by biotechnology(mhmmm what a waste) I cant crack other major risks.  :-X

Who knew what was the major outbreak for MAD COW DISEASE? It simply had something to do with GM foods that are feeded on to animals. Agree to disagree it has been stated that GM foods could be transfered from animal food to humans. The risk involved!!!!

I am very self consicious of what I eat ranging from diary products, to beverages, to everyday foods, to confectionaries. But how far are we harming ourselves from what we eat?

Organic foods, canned foods. Are they the best? Cant we eat none other than organic food? I am or should I say I was once a vegetarian due to these GM food processing. Corn Beef , if you see or find out the process they take to manufacture this....!!...mhmm that was what turned me in2 a vegetarian...but err am half a vegey now ;)

Healthwise: Canned foods are not the best...cant we buy fresh tomatoes to make source..why should we go for the onces that have genes in them that can transfer diseases, give you allergies, low in food nutrients, not even a balanced supplement etc.

But they way I see it these days..buyin canned food is fashionable...as the breed winner of a house looks proud if he sees that everything (in terms of food in his house) is canned.

Economically it is a waste, even if there is automation taking half of the job of a factory labourer, he is still needed to operate these machineries, labour cost, machinery expense, electricity, packaging & distribution cost, chain of retailer & so on...all on canned foods?

How about just buying fresh tomatoes from a farmer.... more economical right?
Infact it is not fair on the farmers to have produced food or food crops only to have 25% worth & the rest of the 75% ...the retailers gain!!! That is unfair trade?

I say we are more healthier than western countries. They depend on Organic food. Why is there alot of diabetes sufferers....early ageing problems & hence forth. Because they simply dont eat a balance diet or so I suppose & they depend on organic food :-X  I disagree with canned food sooooooooo much that I think it should be banned completely.
But I will surely miss my fave. :D

So what have you got to say on GM food?
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 20, 2003, 07:07:46 PM
Ummita,
Why do you have to come up with such interesting topics that you make me log back when it's way past my bedtime? ;D ;D ;D.
I absolutely agree with you. NO to GM foods. However, we in Nigeria have to be careful with the sort of fresh tomatoes and vegetables we eat. Many a times your ripe and beautiful prize winning tomatoes, carrots and lush green lettuce (YUM YUMMY) are irrigated with seriously contaminated water. Contaminated either with industrial waste or domestic effluence like the waters from kuddudufi, and you know our kudduddufai more often than not serve as house hold septic sewers. Almost all the carrots that enter the market in Kano during its season are grown near NO MAN'S LAND, in the lowlying fadama areas ?through which the Jakara river runs. This is the most polluted river in Kano. Can't remember its source, but it cuts through Kasuwar Kurmi bringing along with it all the household effluence, it cuts through Abbatoir and drains all the blood from the salughtered animals, then winds its way towards Katsina rd through army barracks quarters and on to NO MAN's LAND, beyond that area, into Bompai and drains all the industrial waste of Bompai and makes its way to Minjibir L.G.A where it ends up as Jakara Dam. Then some of the fish we eat is also caught from the dam and in places where the river is deep enough. The fish is also contaminated with industrial pollutants.
That is one of the reasons why when we have cholera outbreaks they become serious epidemics.
Another thing, I wish we can do away with AJINOMOTO and VEDAM. These are fast becoming our number one killers. These monosodium glutamate products are nothing but death traps because they are the cause of ?hypertension in our society.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: al_hamza on February 20, 2003, 09:28:43 PM
well sugar,
u see Islam has supported science and moving foward in all fields should be our goal.Genetically modified food! i see no harm in it as long as it doesnt harm humans. look .... with ever increasing medical facilities and lowering of the number of deaths.We are pushing mother earth to the limits.....Soon ariable land will run out. We need food solution... Crops that will yield more and consume less.
I am a half-cast am i in that sense genetically modified? does that make me an abnormal human? come on its been happening centuries b4. plants bieng interlinked e.g mangoes have been cross matched to produce better magnifira indicas.
and that mad cow stuff... they are fed not at all on modified food ... they are fed on mashed bones and God knows what ... but there is no proof as yet (at-least not in my knowledge) to what brings it.
So chapter closed
GM food ? BRING IT HOME!
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2003, 02:25:26 AM
Am not really the type who is subconcious of what I consume. But Hamza I think Ummita and Ummul are absolutely right. We consume half as much chemicals that can kill a new born baby in an instant. About the mad cow disease. Yes! GM foods are linked to it. CHeck this out: GM food was responsible for several deaths in the USA. Comtanimated tryptophan known as Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome (EMS) this disease in particular was produced by fermentation involving a GM bacterium. The contamination killed upto 37 people.

Do you have any hard copy back up facts that link to your disagreement the GM food had nothing to do with the mad cow disease? Well Hamza GM foods are linked to that MDC disease.

Experiments have shown that genes that are introduced in these foods tha we consume go into human cells thereby becoming toxic and nothing else!!!!!

The inserted genes in GM foods may be trasnfered from a micro-organism which is carrying it to other micro-organisms, the human gut or respiratory tract or to other animals. What makes you think that mad cow disease cannot be 75% percently linked with these genetically modified foods?

I strongly agree with Ummita & Ummul but then I dont really think banning all canned foods is the solution :-/
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 21, 2003, 03:41:03 PM
Al Hamza, every human being is genetically modified since he /she carries a set of his/her parents' mitotic cells, which are recombined in unique ways to produce a human being that is different from his parents.
The chickens most Americans eat in fast food outlets have an eighteen hour life cycle. that is it takes only eighteen hours from their being hatched  from eggs, to becoming fully grown birds ready for slaughter, and they are usually wingless and legless (the lowest part of the leg that ends with the claws is missing). Talk about genetically modified creatures!
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: ummita on February 21, 2003, 05:23:08 PM
QuoteUmmita,
Why do you have to come up with such interesting topics that you make me log back when it's way past my bedtime? ;D ;D ;D.
I absolutely agree with you. NO to GM foods.

Allah sarki Huda..ba haka ba fa...sometyms u have nefink 2 du so I spent free hrs 2 put out things like this........but one thing that hits me d most is boy!!!! u surely have great responses...............gurl wat d heck r u? Cuz u r more than a porfessor :P

Yeah.........let me add this: GM food not only affect the human health, but it does affect d economy. The reason for this is xample: Bringin Gm food to the market is a lengthy and costly process. Again consumer advocates  r worried that patenting these new plants varieities will raise the price of seeds so high that small farmers & third world countries will not b able to affford seeds for their crops.

Environmental hazards of GM food.....well 4 those that oppose, agree 2 disagree it does harm d environmental we live in....as Ummul stated that where u have ppl livin around factories.........they pollute d air with toxic waste...esp where GM foods r porduced. 2 d environment, pollen from WAT IS IT CALLED SEF!! yeah......B.t corn caused a high mortality rates.

Wat does d legislation state in Food Safety Act? ......... Food SAFETY Act which was introduced in 1990, continues the basic requirement that has been embodied in food law for almost 150yrs that no food should b injurious to health. If at all these GM foods r a risk in human health, why produce them at all? Now tell me is Nigeria not in BREACH OF THAT DUTY? R THEY NOT ALSO IN BREACH OF NEGLIGENECE?  

Brazil has banned GM foods.

In japan, the ministry of Health & Welfare has announced that GM food testing will take to practise.

Infact in India they dont produce neither do they manufacture GM food simply because they foresee the hazard in them

In Nigeria wat has the govt said or done 2 GM foods? If at all Nija cant do nothing at least some safety precautions like producing antibiotics resistance 2 gene, collaborating with research bodies from other parts of the world 2 find at least a remedy of these GM food (as in ....if theres an effect, lets put out a defeact).
But no Nigeria aci abinci cans, tins shine dadi.......continue stuffin urselves with GM, no balance diet not complete nutrient...all has been extracted & replace with chemicals & yet u say yes to these Foods.

& Yallabai ALI HAMZA was sayin so so so & so......infact waye yace maka GENETCALLY MODIFIED HUMANS...................WE SAID FOOD!!! B u half cast.......doesnt make u genetically modfied as in food...........ni ban fada ba...anywayz Huda has aswered that.

OK in say 10 more years 2 come there will b barey no plants.....but all genetically modified.....wat nxt.....start eatin technologically advanced crackers (biscuits) made outta micro chips? Puleeeez  ::)
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2003, 06:36:33 PM
Well done Ummita, Ummul & Nas plus Hamza with makes us two gainst three.

I personally see no porblem with eating GM foods.
Economically it helps, you dont have to buy so much ingriedients to cook pasta, when you can only buy pot noodles, Another reason I happen to still be a bachelor, I cant cook except microwave some quick bites. If not for organic or canned foods, where can I eat.
I always fo my orders from fast food restaurant but for how long will one eat junk foods? Ppl like me have to live on GM foods, though am gald I dont consume that much....one meal per day with excessive cans of coke that does my belly.

And again these Genetically modified foods have the potential to solve the worlds hunger & malnutrition problems, & to help protect & preserve the enviroment by increasing yield & reducing relience upon chemical pesticides & herbicides. Again engineering is an inevitable wave of the future & that I cannot afford to ignore a technology that has such enourmous benefits.

So I say yeah.........I have to grab sum hot baked beans (Ummita u hate baked beans) I see ammen you are missing. I still on second taught agree with you and Ummul but still I find it difficult to digest your points ;)

Keep your koolz pals
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2003, 07:35:29 PM
his is one reason I like about htis forum. The people here are well mannered, humble and very nice. I taught the first time I was to mention I was a christian I taught I was going to be driven out. Now I cant concetrate on my work without having logging to kanoonline. Now I know the ppl from my fiancee part (hausa) are really nice. Talking of educated God I was so suprised to see how alot o people have been responding to topics professionally. I didnt grow in Nija so I knew very less about hausa.

On to GM foods, I read an article which states that    in Europe GM food protestors have raised an alarm on this. Rurope has experienced two major foods scares: bovine spondigiform encephalopathy (MAD COW DISEASE) (NOW WHERE IS ALI HAMZA) KINDLY LISTEN.... In Britain and this Mad Cow Disease was gotten from dioxin-tainted foods originating from Belguim? What are these foods? GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS!!!

ANother surrouding controversy is the way food are being labelled these days. GM food manufacturers do not label ingridients with real contents they use. I hearsay Muslims do not eat emulsifiers because they contain animal fat. From toothpaste, cereals(kellogs), butter, biscuits....so alot more. if you ead the label you will always see EM15, & all sorts...why wont they come out to say we use animal fat which is genetically saturated...now some unknown muslims eat haram. I always try to help my fiancee by going to halal shops and takin atleast 4mins to read food labels.

GM foods  or food ingridient is substancially rquivalent to the conventionla counterpart in all agronimic, compositional and toxicological respects...so with all due respect Hamza I happen to be one of the protesters against GM foods so I say GM foods! Why not! ban it completely.

This is one of those issues I love to discuss. I will come back ;)
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: al_hamza on February 21, 2003, 09:51:35 PM
well,
we cant achieve things over night can we?
safe GM food would probably be a decade b4 its finally achieved. If it does....... we would be mad i guess not to accept it.
look when nuclear came to the scene the first time......... it was seen as a weapon. Today we have nuke power plants producing safe energy.... Any doubts?
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Ihsan on February 21, 2003, 09:56:34 PM
QuoteThe chickens most Americans eat in fast food outlets have an eighteen hour life cycle. that is it takes only eighteen hours from their being hatched ?from eggs, to becoming fully grown birds ready for slaughter, and they are usually wingless and legless (the lowest part of the leg that ends with the claws is missing). Talk about genetically modified creatures!

:o :o :o 18 HOURS?? lallai sannun su!

I say we go for the fresh stuff...put GM foods aside... :)

Lol Ummita, biscuits made out of micro chips...what will they name it? Windows biscuits or Intel biscuits (lol)  :D
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Borg on February 21, 2003, 11:19:05 PM
Irrespective of our so-called advance in science and technology, there are things that we just dont have the knowledge to mess around with, altering any living thing inclusive.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2003, 07:35:28 AM
E cum interest me as una dey yarn dis topic, the author seems to be well armed with her facts and reasons, na waoooo. ummitah u be wan make ppl join u becum vegeterian abi wetin dem dey call am, sha me I dey 4 nija and thank God we no dey manufacture all dis bad things wey una dey talk, I know say una go talk say but we dey chop am, well 2 thumbs up; make una make them stop 2 dey du am, nyce work ummitah
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Hafsy_Lady on February 24, 2003, 12:35:47 AM
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Wat does d legislation state in Food Safety Act? ......... Food SAFETY Act which was introduced in 1990, continues the basic requirement that has been embodied in food law for almost 150yrs that no food should b injurious to health. If at all these GM foods r a risk in human health, why produce them at all? Now tell me is Nigeria not in BREACH OF THAT DUTY? R THEY NOT ALSO IN BREACH OF NEGLIGENECE? ?


Jey-Blad I agree with you. Of course the govt are in breach of such duty, because the statutory law says foods that are harmful to the health should not be produced let alone consumed by consumers.

Lets take cigarettes for instance, we all know that it causes heart & lung problems but it is still produced and they govt are here to protect ppl but yet they produce these cigarette with a supporting body that states that. Cigarettes are harful to the body blah bl;ah... What is the esking point of that!!! It is absolutely stupid. Why in the first place would you introduce a mind calming thingy with its effects sell it and still inform the public consumers of iots effect. Whcih means...go ahead take a fag but we are not liable for any damage it causes to your health.
Its like this bloody stupid health warning you see on Tampoon packs(sanitary towels) it causes whateva syndrome. How on earth would you manifacture a risk hazard to humans , place useless adverts encouraging us to buy then further placin warning on how it could affect our health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I fiond this soooooo annoying.
Now there is Genetically Modified Foods. Of course our govt are in breach of such duty. I am also against these GM foods but the govt know the risk hazards and they are still giving way for manufacturers to produce these foods.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Rose on February 24, 2003, 02:21:35 AM
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Its like this bloody stupid health warning you see on Tampoon packs(sanitary towels) it causes whateva syndrome. How on earth would you manifacture a risk hazard to humans , place useless adverts encouraging us to buy then further placin warning on how it could affect our health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I fiond this soooooo annoying.
Money is their priority, and your Health is your problem
Sai dai Allah yasawake kawai
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Blaqueen on February 24, 2003, 01:40:04 PM
... well... i'll juss stick to ish the ol' fashioned way... ::)


but some people who are paranoid.. like most peeps on earth.. they say that GM food has poison and other chemicals in it... and the gov't feed the people to control them.. and other conspiracy theories like that lol...
i guess that's one of the reasons some African countries rejected GM food aid... another HIV virus on the low..hahaha...
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: ummita on February 24, 2003, 03:58:28 PM
Quotekudduddufai  

Wat does that mean? Brk it out!!!  :-/


& yeah absolutely ICE u gat it, Hafsy very true.... I so much fynd it ridiculous with that we produce wat can kill u, we persuade u 2 buy it & we also inform you that wat we produce is bad for your health & can kill...... ::)
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2003, 06:14:58 PM
Ke, Ummita nice post. Ni ma dai I dont go for this GM abinci it can be banned for all I care, even though nima I hardly cook but consume these cann foods. but ayi banning ko ya bamu karfin girki ::)
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: nura on February 24, 2003, 06:39:14 PM
me i dey for nija and as far as we are concerned GM or whatever we need food here and send it and see how wawaso go dey on nta network.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2003, 08:50:52 PM
Kai mallam...GM food is simply kayan gwangwani ko kuma abincin da aka saka genes aciki, saboda haka ko tuwan masaran da kakeci..akanyi modifying dinta
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2003, 04:51:12 PM
lol DarkAngel

I HIGHLY OBJECT!!!! Abincin cans that are modified should not be banned at all. As a guy said What will bachelors that cant cook eat? Dole ne we buy GM foods, chunck it into microwave & bam!! 5 minutes ma food is ready to eat!"""" I no grab that hassle women dey do, that takes them 2hours just to boil a cup of rice. When we have pot noodles and them rest!

GM foods should not be banned bazan bada dalilai ba domin, ko don ni ma be kamata ayi banning din abincinnan ba.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: ummita on February 26, 2003, 02:13:13 PM
QuoteAnd again these Genetically modified foods have the potential to solve the worlds hunger & malnutrition problems, & to help protect & preserve the enviroment by increasing yield & reducing relience upon chemical pesticides & herbicides. Again engineering is an inevitable wave of the future & that I cannot afford to ignore a technology that has such enourmous benefits.

errrrrr........ Yeah they myt b beneficiary, howeva,................... we must proceed with CAUTION 2 avoid causin unintented harm 2 human health & d environment as a result of your enthusiasm for this so-called powerful technology
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Hafsy_Lady on February 28, 2003, 04:06:53 PM
so called technology that can kill ::) Especially these kano people, gaskiyanku ne, su dai kayan kwangwani shine gayo, idan aka je kano, if you come out eating these tin can pineapples naso dey go dey look & admire you don kanacin kayan gwangwani, abun da modification zai iya hallarka da mutum.

Uncle AbuMuhajeed ko soya beans, masara, dawa, gero duk akanyi modifying dinta don su girma da wuri, so duk wanna tuwan da uwargida ke buga mata kana ci kana santi duk anyi modifying dinta.

Boy Hamza, I belive this topic said GM foods not GM race, na dago, kawai kanason ne kace wai kai mixed race, nima ai mixed dince :P

Nas, GM is dangerous to health, keep on microwaing din abinci da kai da Anwar, imagine these two mumu bachelors, ana wata ga wata, ga genetic modification ga saka abinci a microwave! lallai kuna so ku mutu da wuri, ko baku san MICROWAVE NA SAKA CANCER BA!!! Kuyi aure ko lakkafaninku ya dan jima kafin ranar kazo ::) ;D
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Ihsan on February 28, 2003, 08:57:50 PM
Tru to dat Hafsy...better get urselves a wifey (hehehe) ko a huta da cin GM abinci koda yaushe.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2003, 02:22:17 PM
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Uncle AbuMuhajeed ko soya beans, masara, dawa, gero duk akanyi modifying dinta don su girma da wuri, so duk wanna tuwan da uwargida ke buga mata kana ci kana santi duk anyi modifying dinta.


lol
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lol ha ha ha. Mallam AbuMujaheed na tabbata baka ga wannan ba. Ya zaya'yi da yara, kyalesu, they are keeping the place lively
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Borg on March 03, 2003, 09:36:56 PM
lalalalala... lol, gaskiya na yarda yanzu, 1/2sa bigtime instigator ce!!!
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Ihsan on March 03, 2003, 10:04:22 PM
la la la la Borg? me kace?  to ban ji ba ni dai... ;D Ina ka manta do Maleeq! babban instigator.
Title: Re: WHAT R UR VIEWS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?!
Post by: Waziri on March 12, 2003, 01:52:03 PM
Maximum praise,

Well, taking genetically modified food can always be associated with the natural cravings of humankind to identify with fancy. Mankind naturally wants to categorize with something neat and pleasing to the mind, regardless of whether that thing is healthy or not.

I read some two months back one book titled Foods that Heal or is it Food that heals? Which dwells extensively on natural food against processed food, though I for long hold the opinion that taking science and technology or even biotechnology alone; we will see that it is always about mankind struggling to be adventurous with nature creating and inventing what has never helped him to find enough succor and happiness in his ?beautiful? world of life.

Gene modified food or even canned foods have never served with maximum efficiency the purpose which they were said to be made for. But instead they constantly come up with side effects that would make it necessary for us to go back to nature ? as in everything natural. Add to this also I don?t think the waste from kududufi and dirty waters could spell a disaster to fruit that grow from them. For it was the same waste if I can still remember some times even human excretes that were being used as fertilizer by our parents in those days to grow crops they lived on.  Nature has a way of placing things. If u r to take row fertilizer now as u would take food ?. Umh  u will remain the story told by undertakers. But the same fertilizer will provide nutrients for the necessary survival of the crops we eat and find sufficient life there in.  So is it with the waste gathered from dew drops, I think they are the source of better taste and moderate nutritional contents to our dear natural food.

In total GM food is another attempt by Humankind to be adventurous and make money. And Islam does not frown at being adventurous even if it is for the sake of making money. But the truth of the matter is:

Man will continue to be adventurous but he will never find enough succor in it, except that hopefully it will help him recognize God in His purest form. In the poem I crafted which is the poetry section of this forum, I concluded?

?Know ye not Man seek ye Knowledge?
?Until u can fall help less at the footings of Providence.?

Thanks