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Title: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ibro2g on January 20, 2003, 03:06:39 AM
    How do I start, where do I begin...let me draw our attention to the on going conflicts in our world today. The Iraqi,Isreali and North Korean conflicts. All these would have been simple issues, no thanks to the complicated and sophisticated international conspiracies governing our world.
    The United Nations Organisation, UNO is an international body put in place to bring peace and harmony to all of it's nations and Humanity as a whole. So it will only be just and fair if people and countries are treated equally all over the planet we share. But I'm afraid this isn't the case.
    The world, the so-called super powers and the United Nations watch peace being threatened and destroyed in the Isreali penninsula in the name of protection and reoccupation of a land that once belonged to them. The community of palestine are forced to stay comfortably with the presence of armoured tanks, armed soldiers who shoot when ever the mood comes, all in the name of preventing sucide bombers. Without the re-occupation there would`nt have been any sucide bombers.This bombers were created by the Isrealis: When the hearts of men are forced to a corner, everything is possible, from the impossible to the ridiculous. Despite the sucide attacks, the fatality toll of palestinians to that of the Isrealis is incredibly high, more than a 100%. And the world watch in exitement...The U.S and U.K keep pumping weapons into the Isrealis and appear to the media and claim diplomatic solutions. Yet the palestinians are being denied of any weaponry, completely defenseless. Preventing terrorism I suppose.No! Protecting terrorism: Isn't it fair to see that the palestinians are being terrorised, there homes and jobs are being destroyed, there families and loved ones killed one by one, having absolutely no security or peace, hope or ambition. Constantly in curfews and denied sociality. It's a pity the world can't see this...it's a shame.
    September 11 might be a tragedy to some people, but it's a moment of glory to others. And in responce...a war is set up to protect the American people, and the American interest.The world supports that, but little can the world see that this stands as a threat to other nations.The United states is leading the United Kingdom and other nations into war with Iraq. If we let the United states destroy her enemies, in fear of attacks, then it's fair they destroy all their enemies...one by one...everyone can destroy his enemies because they all stand as a threat to us. We can also destroy unions when they stand a threat, or kids with bad habbits or angry husbands or drunkards or babies of criminals...who knows they all stand as a threat to us. But is the world blind to see that those accused of being terrorist or suspected or potentials are being terrorised for no offence. Even criminals are not convicted for no offence for prevention or protection, else we would all have been convicts, even the U.S president. And North Korea... The U.S and U.K are accusing Norht Korea and Iraq for threatening world peace and the world in whole, how? by acquiring Nuclear weapons. But have you ever asked yourself,if the U.S and U.K stand as a threat to us and every other person not in their region, or at least not in good terms. What makes us believe they won't use them. Every country will want to posses such weapons to protect it's self from those with the weapons and North Korea is not different. Isn't it only fair to disarm the world of Nuclear weapons rather than disarming those not in their Interest, If they are really after global peace, isn't it fair to destroy all weapons of mass destruction (including that of the super powers) on the planet to be secure. The world will be a peaceful and safe place if these weapons are copletely banned. I understand the difference in developement in our world, but why must the developed deny the developing from developing? why such threat to global harmony? We may be (so-called) developing but we are not dumb.
    The U.K, U.S and U.N, what differences does it make, I have written three equal things bearly distinquishable. The U.N, their best weapon. I plead to you to stop the conspiracies, stop destroying the younger generations and developing countries, stop this global terror...It's a shame no one could tell them what they are doing, Coz I'm certain they are not conscious of it. They are good people...they will change. Lets just not let BUSH lead us to an Armaggeddon.
    Americans and Europeans are not the only people on this little planet we share, we have Asians and Africans and even the antarcticans. We all breathe the same air, and drink of the same waters underneath the same sun. Lets utilise our chances, not destroy them. Humanity, irrespect of race, color or religion seek peace on earth, and will find it coz sooner or later enemies of progress will fail. This I promise you.
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: MohammedIbrahim on January 20, 2003, 04:49:52 AM
Ibrahim,you see the problem is we are also as fed up as you are,but what can we do?And I think their main problem is Islam.My brother what they are actually after is the down fall of Islam not world peace;i'm afraid they are only a devil in disguise.
 We have brought ourselves so low that these people do whatever they want to us and go free,however the problem is not from us ,we met things like this and i'm afraid there is nothing we can do about it.We just hope and pray for Allah's intervention,but as for know the so-called terrorist Osama bin Laden is our only source of inspiration though this battle is way too much for him to fight alone,Ibrahim the power these people have is more than you can imagine!
       As the famous saying goes"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".
      May Allah continue to guide and protect us all.
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Maleeq on January 20, 2003, 06:26:30 AM
Man i really dont have much to say cuz yaya has virtually said it all.Nonetheless i think wat america and its allys are doin iz tryna play on our intelligence.   they've sort of blindfolded us from tha realities of tha issue using this so-called "world peace" as a cover up.
    Their main tool ;the media.they inductrinate, delude and pervart our minds so that we can think of nothinng but them .
that way they've got us trapped in their endless circles of deception and manipulation.
    The way out;constant prayers i believe is tha strongest tool against all evil.  
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ibro2g on January 20, 2003, 04:02:45 PM
This is rediculous but have yo`ll ever heard of global rallies, real independant countries and...absence of the U.N???
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: ummita on January 22, 2003, 08:51:57 PM
kATSINIAN...............Yeah all u've said it all hapenin or has already happened. Our worl........conflicts & conspirancies.........................that will neva stop!!!!

US, well think about it...I dont actually have all my blames casted upon US. Who r their major bck ups. Now that is d big question?

Had it been countries like Afgan hadnt given them (US) d priviledge 2 have a base 2 keep their artillaries, submarines guns grenades missiles & all those bombardin stuffs xcetra, (du u think it wud b easy on them) Where r countries like Iran, Turkey, Kuwait? Where were they when the Bin-L thingy was goin on?

They simply backed out, thinkin US is everything.

When Afgan was attacked, which muslim country stood by them, very few!!!!!! ryt, tell me how many muslim dominated countries do we have that can support countries in war?

Therefore, on things like this, how about stop Raisin fingers on US. Turn around point countries like Iran. Juss recap on the palenstinian crisis which will 4eva go on. WHICH MUSLIM COUNTRIES R HELPIN?

Get real...........supposin all counter allies stand up 4 other allies getin ready 4 war..................truss me.........Bush will retreat. But all these muslim countries their rule iz.....my hand no dey.......................(cuz oh great ol US) will bombard us, and they have all the biggest bombardin equipments. ::)Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!!

Infact, wats d point of war,!!! Lord I call upon u :D, stop all of 'em goin 2 war.

C me, as I come dwell 4 this topic 4gettin 2 give credits 2 d author. Kastinian, that is one great topic!!!!!
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Maleeq on January 25, 2003, 07:37:04 AM
 
yaeh right thatz another critical issue ummita has raised.

   i strongly think tha us wouldnt have been this strong abd arrogant without tha support of arab countriez like eygpt jordan and co.
    Their leaders are nuttin but puupets ..... ever submisive to the wish of tha us.s i think without considering stuffs like this i'm afraid u cant  turn tha tables around  
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on January 26, 2003, 06:44:49 PM
Hmm! Conflicts and conspiracies Eh? Check this out:

In the early hours of this morning, Sunday, 26-01-03, Israeli soldiers made an incursion into the Gaza strip, bombed quite a few places and killed eleven Palestinians in the process.

What's all this in aid of? Why, Ariel Sharon of course! ?The Israeli General Elections is two days away and the bombing is expected to boost his chances of getting a second term in office!
A 'campaign' strategy one might say!
(I'm speechless!)
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2003, 11:06:42 AM
Interestingly.. this is all part of the world power game.... main goal of the US is global domination at all costs, earlier there was a balance to the global domination power game... the USSR was then the balancing factor. Now USSR is gone and to the US there isnt another more formidable enemy than ISLAM!!! They have so divided muslims into so many groups... extremists, librals and such and such, so as to weaken our unity. The leadership of arab countries cannot do a thing but 'strongly condemn' in words only, the actions of the US... why??? The US ensures they remain in power, why do you think the US has military bases in all those arab countries, and why arent the arabs telling them to gerraout?

NB when i say Arab and US, i mean:

Arabs - the leadership... the common arab wants nothing more than to see the end of the mideast crisis, whatever it may take and the Military bases out of their countries.

US - the leadership as well.. you will be suprised how kind hearted and tolerant the common American is as compared to thier government.

Solution to the issue is simple..... re-establish the Islamic caliphate, and let all muslims stand as one with one voice... believe me thats the wests worst nightmare!!!
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: ummita on February 01, 2003, 05:42:50 PM
We all know that ZIONISM is su'in that we will neva get rid of. Subhana Wata'ala stated that, He alone can handle them...& peace amongst Muslims & Jews is not something that will end 2moro.!!!

Do u think US r really fightin 4 their own reason? Nope in one way or d other, they r sticikin up 4 Jews. & u all know that Judaism & Islamicity wont go & will not go hand in hand. So its best 2 leave it 2 God 2work it out. We can help by prayin 2 d lurd almighty 2 broker a peace settlement. :-/ & thats all we gotta du. Sittin around & talkin it ova & ova aint gon' help. Lets pray
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 01, 2003, 05:48:55 PM
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Sittin around & talkin it ova & ova aint gon' help. Lets pray

Talking may not help, but it passes the time and makes GREAT DINNER CONVERSATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2003, 06:06:33 PM
Yeah I guess so Ummulhuda.

But still i dont think this whole crisis will ever end. I dont even wanto go deep into it. Allah dai ya sawake ya kuma karemu gaba daya
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: MAG on February 01, 2003, 06:13:08 PM
Na yarda da power of adu'a... but Allah ya ce tashi in taimake ka as well. Something has to be done, cant just sit and pray... otherwise they will trample all over us. you think the palestinians would even have the gaza strip and west bank if they didnt resist the current occupation?
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: MAG on February 01, 2003, 07:25:43 PM
By the way, where are the k-online servers located... before den com snatch me for this side!!
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 01, 2003, 07:42:30 PM
QuoteYeah I guess so Ummulhuda.

But still i dont think this whole crisis will ever end. I dont even wanto go deep into it. Allah dai ya sawake ya kuma karemu gaba daya
You're Absolutely right yourself! It will never end, as long as a planet called earth exists.
Tin ran gini, tin ran zane.
The Prophet Sallam according to a hadith on his journey to heaven (Isra'i and Mi'raj) espied a sword dripping with blood near or below the Throne of Allah S.W.T. He asked about it from our Maker and was informed him that it was the bloodshed that the Prophet's ummah will engage in till the end of time.
The Prophet was upset and prayed to Allah to remove that affliction on his Ummah whereupon Allah S.W.T. Informed him that He Has Destined it as such and therefore it will happen.
So you see conflicts conspiracies, murders, mayhem, bloodshed, will outlive all of us.?
?Allah Ya kiyaye mu.Yayi mana muwafaka. Amin.
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: ummita on February 02, 2003, 03:22:46 AM
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Talking may not help, but it passes the time and makes GREAT DINNER CONVERSATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mhmmmm Tlk about mass murder, throat slashing, bullet flyers, blood stream in bloody pools, killings ova supper........!!

Hell..... wats gotten in2 u babes?!!! War is by no means a subject 2 converse ova hot soup xcetra. Well we myt as well start havin dead ppl 4 supper. :D

MAG....Tell me wat can u du? Wat can I du..to those in war rather than 2 sit helplessy but pray helpfully. I know we can protest but 2 wat xtend? U 4 a fact know that u cannot du anything but pray.

I personally cant du nefink but 2 raise my hands above ma head & pray.
Of course u r ryt...Allah yace mutumi ta tashi zey taimakashi ko? yeah thats defo!!! But both U & I inclusive Huda cant du nefink absolutely nefink but pray!!! Even Osama cant du nefink 2 stop d war xcept 2 participate but raise his hands un2 d lurd 2 pray 4 victory.

Ok mayb I myt reconsider if u say u gon' wear combat gears...sling a rifle 2 ur shoulder pay ur respects 2 family & all, shout Allah....then I wud say yes u did ur duty as in Jahadist like, but then again we still CANNOT du anything but pray!!! & discuss this issue ova & ova

Let me rest assure u again: This war thingy is in d books of God, he said ney shall handle d sinnest that cause hated d muslims but yet alone my self. So God alone can handle them. We can help by prayin.........so my point is :-/
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 02, 2003, 11:13:23 AM
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Mhmmmm Tlk about mass murder, throat slashing, bullet flyers, blood stream in bloody pools, killings ova supper........!!

Hell..... wats gotten in2 u babes?!!! War is by no means a subject 2 converse ova hot soup xcetra. Well we myt as well start havin dead ppl 4 supper. :D

 YUM YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are we inviting them or eating them? :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: MAG on February 02, 2003, 02:08:07 PM
Some message board i find myself... for one i wont mind having them for dinner.

Pple tell me, if Allah (SWT) has said He is gonna fight this war and He is gonna win it.... why then do we need to pray, abi we think He might change his mind (Astaghafrullah). For the same reason we pray we should also not resign ourselves to it and say thats all we can do... and someone was asking me what i could do ko??? Natin, since har yanzu ba wanda ya gaya mun inda wadan nan servers din suke... haka nan kawai in gaya muku don a zo a tafi da ni guantanamo bay.... to na ki wayon.  But seriously there is a lot we can do, prayers inclusive... hey you know that as little as hating it in your mind is doing something?
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 02, 2003, 03:36:21 PM
QuoteSome message board i find myself... for one i wont mind having them for dinner.


Hey Sounds great!!!, Let's start a club for cannibals. We could invite Hannibal Lecter to launch it!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 02, 2003, 04:30:14 PM
QuoteSome message board i find myself... for one i wont mind having them for dinner.

Pple tell me, if Allah (SWT) has said He is gonna fight this war and He is gonna win it.... why then do we need to pray, abi we think He might change his mind (Astaghafrullah). For the same reason we pray we should also not resign ourselves to it and say thats all we can do... and someone was asking me what i could do ko??? Natin, since har yanzu ba wanda ya gaya mun inda wadan nan servers din suke... haka nan kawai in gaya muku don a zo a tafi da ni guantanamo bay.... to na ki wayon. ?But seriously there is a lot we can do, prayers inclusive... hey you know that as little as hating it in your mind is doing something?

The prayers and Du'as are actually for our own good. Think of it this way. Allah does not need our worship, our prayers. He Is totally Independent of us, whereas we need Him, His Mercy, His Protection. If like you and I, we are far away from the scene of mayhem and murder, we tend to take these issues lightly, because they are so far away that they do not disturb our comfort level that much. Therefore the ernesty and intensity of your prayer to a long suffering brother somewhere out in the world acts as purification for your own soul. Plus you get all the Thawabs for doing so, since supplicating to Allah is an injunction from Allah.
The long suffering brother out in the frontline of course has no comfort zone. So he is engaged in a routine round of prayers for safety and survival, because as a muslim, that is the only way he can feel a measure of security.
At the same time, In a truly Jihadist war/battle, there are never losers on the Muslim side of the fence. So for every hardship a person suffers, he gets his sins removed or gets Thawabs for the hardship. For some ppl, it is the only way of attaining paradise, so on the surface of it, Allah S.W.T. lets them suffer this apparent hardship.  

As Muslims, it is incumbent upon us to help anyway we can, and as you wrote, even hating it slightly is good.
Me? Sometimes I get tired of the whole because in today's war ridden world, you can never be sure who is in the right and who is wrong, despite its being maybe a war/battle between Muslims and non muslims. For example We all sympathise with Saddam. But he is no angel and he can be extremely cruel to muslims. Remember what he did to the Kurds in the Northern Iraq. Mass slaughter of Muslim men women and children using biological weapons.
So if I fought Saddam's war and got killed, where would I end up? Or even the Taliban for that matter, for women suffered terribly during his regime. The rights of the maligned women still hang over his head and he will answer to Allah on the day of Judgement.
What about the Palestinians and suicide bombing? I still feel a rawness inside when I see the innocent Israelis hurt by suicide bombs just as I feel anger when I see Israeli soldiers molesting innocent defenceless Palestinians. And I still wonder what will happen to these unfortunate souls who intentionally kill themselves even when they know in Islam that anyone who commits suicide will NEVER enter paradise. There is no use justifying it either and saying that they had no alternative, since they had no superior fire power and the Israelis have the massive support of the U.S.A. Abi, it was the same when Abraha marched his Elephants into Mecca, it was the same when the  Prophet Sallam fought the battle of Badr, it was the same when Talut met Jalut on the battle fields, and Prophet Dauda Alahis Sallam catapulted Jalut to death. The enemy all had superior fire power, but no one committed suicide in order to achieve an end. Why should it be any different in our own time?        
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: admin on February 02, 2003, 05:28:18 PM
Assalamu alaikum;

First of all let me start by answering MAG's question about where the Kano Online Severs are physically located - Kano Online is currently physically located in U.S.A. There are many reasons for that, we would not go into that at this point. The physical location of a web server does not really matter nowadays and in this current climate, it does seems not to take too much for a Muslim man to be monitored, watched and or suspected if not get a one way ticket to guantanamo bay....

Also, at this point this topic is starting to get unproductive, un-educative, irrelevant and on the borderline chitty - chatty. Before long it is going to be closed...
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 02, 2003, 05:57:14 PM
QuoteAlso, at this point this topic is starting to get unproductive, un-educative, irrelevant and on the borderline chitty - chatty. Before long it is going to be closed...[/color]
Can you pinpoint the unproductive uneducative and irrelevant  borderline chitty - chatty so we can side step the trap door in future?!!!!!!!!! :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: admin on February 02, 2003, 06:29:11 PM
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Can you pinpoint the unproductive uneducative and irrelevant  borderline chitty - chatty so we can side step the trap door in future?!!!!!!!!!

Well, how about talking about killing people and starting a club for cannibals?
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: ummita on February 03, 2003, 03:45:50 AM
MHMM.......who will kill :-/. Well u might as well shut the whole thing down. This topic aint goin no where. But still ADMIN......We all kinda did understand wat each other was sayin........ so as well we did gain. y shut it  out..& givin a notice 4 doin that?
Ok u d boss, du as u please :-X
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ummulhuda on February 03, 2003, 06:28:31 AM
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Well, how about talking about killing people and starting a club for cannibals?

Don't worry admin, the ppl are already dead! No point in killing anyone when there's lots of zombies on the move! We'll only invite 'em to dinner and treat 'em to a meal or make a meal out of 'em!
As for the Young Cannibals' Club, it won't be on this forum, take my word for it!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ummita was right though, we did all learn from this topic. But please don't shut it we'll try and behave ourselves in future! ;D
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2003, 06:46:38 AM
Ni ma dai Ummita da Ummul banga dalilin da zai sa ya kulle topic din ba. Beside admin did you read the whole thread. Very interesting I TELL YOU. alot of igreat details came from ummi, Ummul MAG and hafsa..menene purpose din forum ko topic don a karu meyasa ake kullewa? Na ga ma an kulle wasu. sai an fara nmagana sai ace its irrelevant there for u call for its closure, ai abun ba dadi Oga Admin. Menene amfani forum idan baza ay postings ba?
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ibro2g on February 25, 2003, 04:19:45 AM
I begin by thanking Ummulhuda for the thoughts she has brought to this page. I`d also like to plead to the admin, this is just an inevitable situation, most are pissed off wid it, I don`t blame them for cracking jokes in self-compensation... besides they ar meaning ful. I just ask of some one to tell me someway at all in which we can get outtta this, ummulhuda gave a nice start. thank u
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: nura on February 25, 2003, 11:37:31 AM
I cant help but to agree with the Admin I think this topic has outlived its purpose and usefulness, let it be sent to the archives.
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Blaqueen on February 25, 2003, 01:23:38 PM
ok.. so what IF there is a secret plan and some kind of conspiracy theory... do u think its really worth bothering urself about it? and trying to solve it? u can depress urself a lot, y'know...
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: lionger on February 25, 2003, 02:23:04 PM
that is why sensitive ppl should not take no part in political discussions/arguments..esp. if its Naija politics. :-X
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ibro2g on February 26, 2003, 03:58:17 PM
Quotethat is why sensitive ppl should not take no part in political discussions/arguments..esp. if its Naija politics. :-X

I c
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Blaqueen on March 06, 2003, 10:26:56 PM
... wut about the conspiracy theory that... AIDS is a weapon to wipe out the black population....
and its like.. well there are ways to PREVENT being infected...duh!

and then there's another the paranoid xtian priests and pastors say that Muslims want to control the world.. and that all muslims should be kicked out of the US... worreva.. like they own the continent... (buahahahahaa)

and then.. everyone knows this tho.. its tru.. the US gov't sold crack to black neighborhoods back in the 70s or was it 60s... (shldnt those in power back then be charged with terrorism, they're killing their own people *reminds u of saddam ko?)...
but puh-leeeeez... no one shoved it down the people's throat naaaa...

conspiracy theories are fun!
Title: Re: our world...conflicts, conspiracies...
Post by: Ibro2g on March 09, 2003, 11:43:06 PM
Yes I heard that too, Aids is a lab disease and the curre exist but hidden to all, and whoever finds it...are either bribed to keep quite or wiped away.