Hello Everybody. The topic will encompass all Professions. The forum will serve as a place where we can all contribute our skills and experience in finding various solutions to the already compounded problems to our Great Arewa Region and Country in General.
Please feel free to post your Question(s) ranging from Medicine, Law, Engineering, IT solutions, Accounting, Management, etc. A professional from the forum will answer them.
Disseminate this information to all Arewa Professionals residing within and outside Nigeria.
Please join the forum and make a difference "one Profession at a Time".
Regards
Boomer
Boomer, u might as well check out a topic titled Norther Stars. U can relate to it, cuz its dealin with the same issues u r on about.
Actually Ummi, I anticipate all those Arewa professionals to discuss lots of the problems facing Arewa. The Nortnern Star forum is about who is who in Arewa.
Boomer
Northern Stars... who is who with a positive message!!!... ?;) so that when people ask.. whut have Northerners contributed to the development of the Nigerian Nation.. i can mention A LOT of names... ;D
back to the topic...
i have a question for the Shariah experts...
Can adulterers be reported? or do they have to turn themselves in?
OK.........Boomer
Fornication (Zina, Zanah, Porneia, Porno) is voluntary sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married to each other. Adultery is one type of fornication.
Though I am not an expert in Islamic Law, I think an adulteress and Adulterer can be reported to the Authority or they can turn themselves. In the case where they are reported to the authority, there must be four witnesses to testify. Adultery carries various punishments depending on the marital status of the person committing the offence. According to Islamic Law (Shari’a), if the person is married, the punishment is stoning to death. If the person is not married, the punishment is 100 lashes. For additional information on Adultery according to Quran and Sunnah, you go read: http://muttaqun.com/adultery.html
In the Christian Law, the punishment for committing Adultery is death. You can read http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/mat5.html - 28 (Matthew 5:28-30).
In the Hebrew Law, the punishment for committing adultery is also death. You can read http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/lev20.html - 10 (Leviticus 20:10-21)
Boomer
but in all the hadeeths concerning the punishment.. people turned themselves in... no one was reported... and since Allah says "if one repents", He'll forgive them...
shouldnt it be up to the people themselves to turn themselves in, or repent by themselves...??
and stoning was not mentioned in the Qur'an.. does this mean that the stoning punishment could be flexible? "confined to houses", "100 lashes"..
and ofcourse, the case has to be investigated well enough...
there was a hadeeth about a woman who reported herself to Caliph Umar...
she said... she slept with a man because she was thirsty and he said he wasnt going to give her water till she slept with him...
she left.. but later came back, because she was thirsty...
when Caliph Umar heard that... he excused her...
What is it that is not clear to you? Is it the punishment or its severity? Is it the interpretation of the relevant verses in the Holy Quran concerning the issue? You are presenting a subjective opinion regarding the punishment and your Interpretation of the Hadiths.
As I mentioned earlier, I am not a Shari’a guru. Please try to stay focus on the subject matter. Indeed, fornication is a big problem in Northern Nigeria, thereby accelerated the proliferation of HIV/AIDS in our region, Country and Africa in general. The best remedy is to redress the root of the problems which Quran and Hadith has all the solutions therein. ?
What matters here is not the punishment but the uniform application of the law to both parties involved in the act of Adultery or any crime in that regard. Remember, there is nothing like selective believe in Islam. The concept of the religion is a total submission to our creator, Allah. ?There is no but or if. As you may know, the Quran is not subject to changes or amendments in order to be endorsed by any Government(s), Organizations, Activists or their proxies. We need to get ourselves out of the web of emotions, and then we can be able to see the hard knock reality.
Boomer
yeah i get all that part... but still.. i dont think u understood my question... it's about "turning in"... should people turn themselves in? or be turned in?.... i havent come across any hadith that a person was reported...
can u ask a shariah guru for meeh? thank u!
i really wanna clarify somethings... i found some of this info... Uncle Salisu.. plz ask some of your friends to help us out...
~The other schools, namely Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and even the Shia do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery].
~Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly."
Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband.
~Massoud Shadjareh, of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, opposes stoning sentences. He argues that amputations and stonings are supposed to be used only as a last resort, and only within those Islamic societies that have eliminated poverty and corruption.
"There is no but or if. As you may know, the Quran is not subject to changes or amendments in order to be endorsed by any Government(s), Organizations, Activists or their proxies. We need to get ourselves out of the web of emotions, and then we can be able to see the hard knock reality."
i beg to differ... first, no one mentioned anything about changing the Qur'an! it's here to STAY in its original state (no doubt about that)... but the interpretation of laws... is whut i'm talkin about... the school of thoughts.. and the likes of it...
Salam!
This is the same due process similar to the laws in the community you are now living. If someone commits a crime, the person can either turn himself or herself to the appropriate authority, or a witness with a burden of proof can report and testify against the alleged offender. Also, the accused can present his/her witness to rightly testify against the accusation.
In Adultery hearings, the final process will be the witnesses will invoke the curse of Allah if they lie. In that case, the accused will not be stoned. The whole process that leads to a guilt or not guilt verdict you can refer to Quran 24:2-9 (An-Nur) and related hadith.
The question of turning yourself in or not isn’t important. As you are aware, there is nothing anybody can do that Allah doesn’t know about it. Either you turn yourself, or you will meet the wrath of Allah in this world or in the Hereafter.
Cao on this topic.
Boomer
Queen and Boomer's exchages make very interesting reading and very inviting too. I can help but to join you guys probably because I have also been trying to say something on the Shari'a, zina, etc as practised in Nigeria today.
It is true that there is no stonning in the Holy Qur'an but there was incidences of stonning during the time of the Holy Prophet. Any practice of the prophet is Law and anything He forbids or allowed is also a Law. This is in the Holy Qur'an, hence stonning is Shari'ah, you cant believe in the Qur'an without believing in the person who received it.
To report Zina to the authorities(courts, police, etc) you must be able to prove it and to prove Zina you must produce Four (4) Witnesses who have seen them in the act and not just that they must have seen penetration.
So the answer to your question is yes! you can report adultery but that must be with Four witnesses who have seen penetration.
Fyne Dyme is getting emotional about the interpretation of the law concerning adultery as per Maliki School of thought, especially in respect of a divorcee that is carrying a baby. As far as I am concerned there are two issues here that make people emotional. Firstly as evidenced by the Safiya and Amina's cases the men concerned were allowed to go free as there was no proof and second the only evidence against the women is the baby or the pregnancy which legally is correct.
The law is the law and it says to prove that the man committed adultery you have to bring four witnesses but a pregnant and unmarried woman is enough evidence to axe the woman. But there are alot of realities that we need to look at before charging any woman today. It is here that the Hadith quoted by FDQ come to mind, we are living witnesses to the abject poverty ravaging our land what if she has to do it to eat, cloth, shelter? How many state governments among the 12 shari'ah states that have provided all these to all widows/divorcees in their states. And what if she was raped?
A friend told me that Safiya Hussain actually said that the man raped her but the court didn't believe her or something. And considering the technological development Blood and DNA tests should be incorporated in the act/law.
thanx for ur contributions..mr Mujahid
emotional? lol.. ok, call it whutever u want.. i'm juss seriously concerned, because it's a muslim life we're dealing with...
and i like the questioned u asked about "the government providing for the widows"
is there any kind of coverage that takes place about trials? because many of us dont know the exact thing that's happening. well, atleast i dont and many other people who dont know Shariah...
we juss keep hearing... she was raped, she wasnt, etc etc.. she was pregnant before Shariah was imposed.. blah blah..
we're suppose to know the real deal, so the people can have a say in this...
Fyne Demme you dont understand at all. I am muslim because I believe that There is nothing worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is his messenger. since this is true I believe in the Holy Qur'an revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as a true revelation from Allah Almighty. Every Muslim must believe these to be Muslim! If you believe in the Holy Prophet (SAW), then you have to believe that whatever he did was the best of practices and he had never done wrong. The Prophet (SAW) had instructed the stonning of an adultress, that means stonning is very Islamic and not barbaric or primitive or whatever the westerners will call it.
We are muslims and we are proud of our religion. Islam is our way of life and Shari'a is the legal code that guides it, whether it is political or whatever actions are judge according to the intentions. I dont think is relevant whether we are there or not when these cases were heard. And reporters even from other countries covered these cases, they were free and fair. And for God's sake why are all these western atishari'ah element not complaining about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, etc, why here!!!!!
Fyne Dyme relax and let shari'a be in Nigeria. It is blasphemous to say that Shari'a is anti women, is a lie, it is not true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No you didn't say so, I am just digressing. Stay cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boomer,
I just love the way your comments do come. Keep it up.
Waziri
LAW!!! LAW!! LAW
Is there any problem studying English law 2 Shariah law?, cuz d way I c it, if asked ur field & u mention taking d path of English Law esp in Kano, they look u with disgust, stating how unpatriotic u r about ur religion.(which seems very funny & weird 2 me) I taught eni1 can du wat eva they feel like, choose their career paths in wat eva field it is!!! :-/h Dunno how Kano runz its style!!
Secondly is this statement we've all heard. Lawyers r liers, 2 me, no one has ever brougt out facts to back them up on that statement & wat makes them think its true.
Lastly, from my own point of view. Law is law. Its all about bringing down justice 'n' taking out injustice. People either shape in or shape out.
Of course Shariah Law is a muslim law, but to me there is gr8t difference, with quite alot of similarity!!
In Islamic law theft, bribery, rape, sexual harrasement, murder, assault & battery is all not allowed. Same goes for English law system. To me, I think shariah law shud only b present to muslims, because we cant just rule out our law system to non-muslims, I saw it happen, heard it happen, we cant force our system out to non believers. As long as justice is all that needs to be done. I say both shariah & English law shud xsist.
Notification: b/4 anyone start bamboozin me, I did not object 'n' neva wud I object 2 Shariah law, juss wantin 2 make sure am on d safe side ;) Thnx 2 all kanoonlinerz, surely all r gud 'n' nice. Keep d freindly atmosphere goin
QuoteFyne Demme you dont understand at all. I am muslim because I believe that There is nothing worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is his messenger. since this is true I believe in the Holy Qur'an revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as a true revelation from Allah Almighty. Every Muslim must believe these to be Muslim! If you believe in the Holy Prophet (SAW), then you have to believe that whatever he did was the best of practices and he had never done wrong. The Prophet (SAW) had instructed the stonning of an adultress, that means stonning is very Islamic and not barbaric or primitive or whatever the westerners will call it.
We are muslims and we are proud of our religion. Islam is our way of life and Shari'a is the legal code that guides it, whether it is political or whatever actions are judge according to the intentions. I dont think is relevant whether we are there or not when these cases were heard. And reporters even from other countries covered these cases, they were free and fair. And for God's sake why are all these western atishari'ah element not complaining about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, etc, why here!!!!!
Fyne Dyme relax and let shari'a be in Nigeria. It is blasphemous to say that Shari'a is anti women, is a lie, it is not true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No you didn't say so, I am just digressing. Stay cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heeeeeey... chill!!! wheytin' hot...? "stonnin' of adultress AND adulterer"... IF found GUILTY!!!! the Amina Lawal case shoulda been thrown out long time ago...
Thank you very much Mallam Abubakar. Indeed, the previous writer is just very emotional with a feeling of being subjugated vis-?-vis immersed in the hot chase of illusions. The last time I checked the system that the writer is blindly embraced, there is no coverage in all the trials that take place in the courts. Also, it is a selected justice at its finest where in most cases, the rich and famous prevail leaving others like the writer, you and me disfranchised. ?
The writer has a formed opinion on the whole issue of Sharia in Northern Nigeria. Arewa has made a penal code choice, which is one million times better than the imposed legal system put in place by the colonial masters. The Nigerian legal system is modeled after the Brits legal system, which is Christian and traditional.
When did the writer started being concerned with a Muslim life? ?No, but thanks, Sharia is forever. Take it or leave it. :-)
Ummi, you are right there are differences and similarities between sharia and most western laws. You see Ummi; the western laws are the amalgamations of the Old Testament (Torah) and the Injila, Original Gospel (According to St. Barnabas) all of these are within the context of Muslims believe. The difference is where the Greeks, Romans and King James distorted these original writings. The distortion reflects a comfort zone to accommodate their traditions.
Hope this explanation will help.
Thank you Mallam Waziri. Invite Arewa professionals to the forum.
Amina Lawal and Safiya are guilty as charged in the sharia court. All those missionaries and the federal Government that connived and abducted her to Vatican are doomed to fail at the long run. The whole purpose of her going to Vatican is to convert her and the little baby to Christianity. The issue at stake is about our religion and those that oppose us.
... Boomer... Safiya was not guilty.. that's why she's FREEEEEE!!! she was found NOT GUILTY under Shariah Law... and Shariah granted her freedom...how can u not give credit to THE LAW!
plus Amina, there were no witnesses, and pregnancy is not enuff evidence... capiche!
Boomer, 2 me Shariah Law shud not b enforced.
Shariah should only b maintained by d muslims
With reference to Aminas case. Shariah states that there have to b atleast 7 witness seein thise commitin adultery in that act, b/4 shariah itself rules out d sentence ryt?
Authorities also stated that " a person shud not b mistated 4 wat they have said, neither shud a person b blamed 4 wat they have not done but have been influenced...
B/4 I make my nxt statement... u all have 2 promise me it not gonna b a bomb shell...eitherway u will not think its proposterious!!! Whuz with me (she laughs).
The case of Ameena, 2 support her case lets go bck.......mhmmm (ina jen tsoron ku)
The following are used to convict and adulterer in Shari'ah
1. Confession - When the accused confessed to committing adultery
2. Pregnancy - For a woman to be pregnant out of wedlock
3. Presence of Four Witnesses - When there are four witnesses that have seen the "pestle in the mortar"
Safiya was discharged not due to lack of evidence since she has actually given birth outside wedlock. Safiya was discharged based on the technicality that She committed tha offence before the Shari'ah Law of Sokoto State come to effect.
Amina Lawal has been convicted by the Shari'ah court of Katsina State but she has appealed.
There is no way Islam can be practised fully without the Shari'ah because the religion is not just worship it is also Mu'amalat (living with people). Please and please dont play with this religion especially if you are interested in remaining a muslim. How can any muslim say that Shariah should not be enforced, not in Nigeria! In this country InshaAllah Shari'ah has come to stay, if you dont like it migrate.
May God protect Islam and Muslim and destroy shirk and mushrikins. I dont know what Ummita is afraid of, it is a free world you can say what you want to say(MTN) but just be careful: Dont Blaspheme the Religion of Islam; the Person of Muhammad(SAW) or any of his house or Sahaba. Also dont speculate just say what you know or ask any question. Also know that everybody is free to discharge his/her sexual need but only in a marital status. If you cant marry the Holy Prophet said you should fast for Fasting reduces desires and sexual urges. And if you want to transgress because you dont have husband or wife, dont get pregnant, if you are a woman and dont do it infront of 4 or more witnesses or in any of these states: Kano, Katsina, Jigawa, Zamfara, Sokoto, Kebbi, Yobe, Borno, Kaduna, etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May the Almighty Allah continue to guide us to what is good and acceptable in His Eyes. Amin.
Ooook... amin, Abu... really, a big AMEN to that...
but u cant enforce Shariah and juss sit there waiting for people to commit adultery and stone them...
the gov't actually has to GET UP.. and take precautions... try and avoid "sins" from taking place... HAS to EDUCATE people about the religion AND the world...
you have illeterate men getting high off "ganye"... some dont even know whuts up with that..
many women, when they're divorced, have no other means of supporting themselves, they have to sit at home and wait for another man to come and marry them... some go into prostitution because they dont have any other choice...
(dont u think there's a pattern here with "divorced women")
so many things are actually happening as a result of the gov't's LACK of caring...
so before the gov't can actually "accuse" people.. they need to strayten themselves out and HELP the people on the way to the right path...
dont forget the ESSENCE of ISLAM!!!!!! which has a lot to do with forgiving, helping, educating, and peace...
i'm pro-Shariah... but the govt has to bring stability and order first... if not crime wil continue to escalate..
With all d ambiguity, hyp & iota'z surroundin Ameenas case, I have a lil 2 say.(I hope so :-/)
Whuz with me.........If I say apart from Shariah law, Ameena might have a case,wud have won d case. Lets go bck 2 9yr, when Shariah was not really put in2 practise,
If say Ameena's case was taken 2 a crown or magistrates court, it might b likely 4 her 2 win her case. The person 2 b held liable on her case might b d man (dunno his man) she committed adultery with!
From sources I've read, amongst them, sum stated that he delibrately forced her in the act, in other word, duz that describe rape?!!!!
Another stated he lured or seduced her, was that her fault? If she fell in2 that?
If @ all Ameena subjected @her own free will, then indeed she has committed adultery. I read that the defendant did not consent 2 d act, if there is no genuine consent, then what did the man do?!!!!!!!!!
Another source indicated that Ameena had injuncted against d man ordering him not 2 carry on the act. If she honestly believes that she did not consent & as long as d jury believe her then she might have a case rty or wrong ?-/
With reference 2 Ameenas case, according 2 section 2 of sexual offences act 1956, authorities stated that no person would b charged with committin adultery if @ all one party duz no subject. Ameena @ first denied d fact as I read, so wat is d conclusion?
She also stated that she has lil 2 no knowlegde @ all on d consequences & duz & donts of Shariah law agaisnt adultery. If I may say, all owe her a duty of care. She has no knowledge, so wats d responsibilities of freind, family & some muslim ummmah? Educate!!!!!
So if Ameena had no knowledge of this aspect & if @ all it is so true, then she might not b liable 2 such an act!!!!!
Shariah punishement 2 adultery committer stonin 2 death ryt? that is if @ least 7 ppl witness have seen those found guilty in the act. Has eni1 spotted AMEENA V MAN!!!
Lastly, the shariah punishment was really on Safiyas case & Ameena, but if u look @ it akwai mata & maza all those ogas & madam that commit that offence, y suma baza ayi musu haka ba?
Eniwayz lets not dwell in 2 this case. We have all had enuff of Ameenas case, & no I is d best judge amongst others.
Rather Subhana wata'ala is best 2 judge.
thankyooooo mah sistah....
and i HIGHLY recommend MEDIA COVERAGE!!! because there are too many "i heard this, i heard that, she said, he said"... it's not clear... we NEED to know what is happening!!!!
and ZATTO ZINIBI!!!!... Suspision is a Serious Sin....
LAW again. Choppin hands off 2 those who steal rty?
Stoning 2 death for adult commiters ryt?
What does Islamic law regards as a punishment to A PROSTITUTE.
Well prostitution is su'in they du at their own free will ryt? and they get paid for that ryt? If Englsih Law should legalise this active service in some part of the country, what does Shariah say to that? They say it is a way to make their livin and support theirselves financially...............Shariah say its unIslamic, English Law has already legalised it. Kinda confused.................whcih is which?
Na so I see am wo!!! In Islam it is forbidden why should other religion or Law enforce in other ways legalise prostitution? So legalising it does it mean it is allowed and not regarded as somethign bad or what?
haha.. ummi sweetie.. go back on ur medications. LoL!!! ;D
well.. as for choppin' of hands.. if the theif returns the item before he is brought to justice.. he is free. so.. if the thieves know better.. they better NOT steal in the first place.. and if they do steal, better for them to return whut they stole
as for prostitution... i remember in the Qur'an... if women are guilty of lewdness... confine them to houses until death claims them... which means... home prison.. they are not allowed to go out...
as for adultery... i pray naija juss flogs and not stone to death..
and oh NO... i dont think anyone will support legalizing prostitution. its degrading and exploits women... its pointless.. so i dont think anyone will vote for a person who wants to legalize that ish....
QuoteLAW again. Choppin hands off 2 those who steal rty?
Stoning 2 death for adult commiters ryt?
What does Islamic law regards as a punishment to A PROSTITUTE.
Well prostitution is su'in they du at their own free will ryt? and they get paid for that ryt? ?If Englsih Law should legalise this active service in some part of the country, what does Shariah say to that? ? They say it is a way to make their livin and support theirselves financially...............Shariah say its unIslamic, English Law has already legalised it. Kinda confused.................whcih is which?
Oh Lurd!!!! Who remove this one 4 cage..............oya Dyme.....shush shush.....go back 2 d cage, put d locks & slam d padlocks!!!! Onijfapkwaro............. ;)
Well we all know the consequences for any muslim woman who indulges herself into prostitution. We know wat Islam say about it. But lets look at it from a different perspective.
Women who induldge theirselves in prostitution have only one aim, to make money.!! Fair enuf, thats how they make their own living.
In Africa.........women are regarded worthless.......,competent and are not of any good to any task. apart from domestic duty. The only business that makes money for some women is prostitution.
Well she faces problems say..........her husband maltreats her.........she leaves his house to scavenge for herself. No one was willing to offer her a job.........The gov offers no benefit or income support her, to keep her goin, none to depend on!!!!
She was not forced......not influenced but plunged into prostitution. ......well she then taught d only way out is prostitution. In US, it has been legalised......as they say it is a fair way to make their own money knowin the consequences that might follow healthwise with regards 2 illnesses such as AIDS. Our religon forbids it..........we all know its wrong. We r trying to see 2 d fact that wat religion objects to shouldnt b put in2 practise. If this is at all true. Y wud other law allow it.........in other words its like we object.....they subject thereby influencing women to take on2 prostitution.....................& thats my point............incase ppl with block head dont get it (lol) :P
sweety...there are other ways of making money.. prostitution just exploits women..... and also encourages adultery....
no wa no how will it be legalised...
the world views women as worthless.. not Africa... and in some parts of the world (including Africa) women are well respected and honored...
prostitution just deprives women of the right to live a happy life... ALL women should be AGAINST it!
the gov't should think about providing single women with education and jobs.. which are available in every aspect.... legalising prostitution will only make them run away from such a challenge... it's NOT the solution!
".. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them upon the conduct of affairs..." (Q.3:153)
"..., we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. ...." (Q.5:32)
Ummita.. i guess this can be related to the prostitution question.....
Q.4:15 "And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death comes close to them or God opens some way for them."
the verse continues to talk bout homosexuality.....
"And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you (males), give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely God is the Forgiving, the Merciful." (Qur'an 4.16)
adultery.....
"The adulterer and the adulteress shall each be given a hundred lashes." Qur'an, Surah Nur, verse 2
"If a man accuses his wife but has no witnesses except himself, he shall swear four times by God that his charge is true, calling down upon himself the curse of God if he is lying. But if his wife swears four times by God that his charge is false and calls down His curse upon herself if it be true, she shall receive NO PUNISHMENT." (Quran, Surah Nur, verse 5)
"But for God's grace and mercy, His forgiveness and His wisdom, (this would never have been revealed to you)." Qur'an 24:10
Wai..na wa for quote madam. Yes Prostition baa yarda dashiba. Amman na gane yada Ummita ke nufi. Abun shine meyasa wasu Religion zasu legalising din Prostitution, don susan cewa addinin mu ya hadna. So duk abun da se jawo downfall din Islam da discrepancies sai sukawo
...ok.. aunty, true.. but wheytin consine us with that?...they can keep running their mouth, and we keep running our bizness.......
btw...i dont see any "stoning" mentioned in the verses ::)... can someone plz remind meeh why some people are so bent on that stoning sentence?
Quote..........
btw...i dont see any "stoning" mentioned in the ?verses ::)... can someone plz remind meeh why some people are so bent on that stoning sentence?
Quite! F.D.Q! It's almost like a trigger happy conscience isn't it? What baffles me is why nobody has stopped to think that the Prophet Sallam Himself is not KEEN on stoning judging by his initial reactions to those who confessed to indulging in adultery! He only reluctantly passes the sentence of stoning and he does it as a matter of duty. There is even the case of this married servant who commited adultery with his master's wife I think. He was advised to report the matter to the Prophet Sallam, which he did. After confessing three times and getting ignored twice by the Prophet Sallam, the death by stoning was pronounced upon him by the Prophet. The man tried to escape as he was being stoned but the ppl stoning him dragged him and pelted him until he died. When the incident was reported to the Prophet Sallam, he told the narrators that they should have let the man go when he tried to escape instead of killing him.
But our people seem to RELISH passing this edict on hapless ignorant women like Safiya and Amina who if they knew the score properly, would never have allowed themselves to be subjected to the indignities they went through.
It was a slap in the face for our Islamic Qadis especially those who presided over the case of safiya, when she was successfully smuggled out of the country by of all institutions, the Vatican! (Was it the Vatican though? Someone please correct me). I think it made the Qadis look really foolish (personal opinion). I also believe that had the Qadis followed the rulings of the Shari'a properly, they would never have been made to look ridiculous because Allah Yana tare da mai gaskiya koda ba musulmi bane shi. ?
So ?Roman Catholicism was made to look a heroine in the eyes of the world at the expense of our venerable Qadis because they chose not to execute Adalci!
QuoteWai..na wa for quote madam. Yes Prostition baa yarda dashiba. Amman na gane yada Ummita ke nufi. Abun shine meyasa wasu Religion zasu legalising din Prostitution, don susan cewa addinin mu ya hadna. So duk abun da se jawo downfall din Islam da discrepancies sai sukawo
Twinkle Beeba, may d lurd bless yah< & grant u mansions in paradise. @least u did get d whole message. I cant possible put out d whole thingyyyy..sabide wenda su ba musulmi ba. & d whole point iz...............wat u've just understood!!!
(Fyne) great quotes!!!! Jazakkalah
QuoteLAW!!! ?LAW!! LAW
Is there any problem studying English law 2 Shariah law?, cuz d way I c it, if asked ur field & u mention taking d path of English Law esp in Kano, they look u with disgust, stating how unpatriotic u r about ur religion.(which seems very funny & weird 2 me) I taught eni1 can du wat eva they feel like, choose their career paths in wat eva field it is!!! :-/h Dunno how Kano runz its style!!
Secondly is this statement we've all heard. Lawyers r liers, 2 me, no one has ever brougt out facts to back them up on that statement & wat makes them think its true.
Lastly, from my own point of view. Law is law. Its all about bringing down justice 'n' taking out injustice. People either shape in or shape out.
Of course Shariah Law is a muslim law, but to me there is gr8t difference, with quite alot of similarity!!
In Islamic law theft, bribery, rape, sexual harrasement, murder, assault & battery is all not allowed. Same goes for English law system. To me, I think shariah law shud only b present to muslims, because we cant just rule out our law system to non-muslims, I saw it happen, heard it happen, we cant force our system out to non believers. As long as justice is all that needs to be done. I say both shariah & English law shud xsist.
Ummita Dear.
I am following this topic with interest. You've ?raised some interesting and valid questions. I am not learned in any aspect of law be it Shari'a or English Law. So my view points are those of a layperson subject to severe CRITICISMS and CORRECTIONS!!!!
There is no PROBLEM whatsoever in studying English Law. Infact it is a very good thing to do a comparable study in Islamic and English Law. It gives you more ARGUING Power!!!!!!!
Lawyers as liers. Well you know in so far as criminal law is concerned, a lot of defence lawyers are liers. You see the role of a defence lawyer is to get his client off the hook; by hook or by crook; by any means at his disposal be it foul or fair. ? A very good defence lawyer is therefore
1 A very rich man and
2 a very big crook.
Sorry Ummita, I have no case to back this up, nevertheless this is a fair assessment of defence criminal lawyers.
As to the last part of your post, every society objects to the list of crimes you noted down. Where Islamic and English Law differ is the method of meting out the punishment. In Islam, punishment is supposed to serve as a deterrent, so that others do not commit the same offence.That is why the emphasis on public punishment. I don't think Islam approves of incarceration either. Look at all the ills that are attendant upon the system of jailing ppl!
As for letting the two judicial systems exist in parallel. In Nigeria, we simply have no choice at the moment but to have Shari'a and secular laws. One for muslims and one for non muslims. In the future when Qadis are well versed in the Shari'a enough to pass informed judgements/sentences on indicted persons then hopefully, it (Shari'a) will become more acceptable to non muslims at large.
About your post on prostitution and its legalization in English law. You should know better than me since I take it you live in the U.K.
However, there is really nothing confusing about its prohibition in Islam and legalization in ?secular law. The laws of God never change while the laws of man are open to negotiation!
When you critically look at it, the whole thing boils down to ECONOMY. The British Govt or any other for that matter that opts to legalize prostitution does so on the premise of being tired of expending resources over a profession that will not die out! So rather than that, why not make it all legit and above board and let the IRS cash in on the windfall?
Another point, I beg to disagree with my dear sister Beebat.
The fact that prostn. is legalized by secular law and prohibited by Divine Law, will NEVER cause the downfall of ISLAM OR MUSLIMS! PERIOD!
?
Quote
You should know better than me since I take it you live in the U.K.
Thnx alot. Much appreciated. B/4 I go eni further. Plz make I clarify 1 tin. I no dey for Engilandu. Me mah I dey hear about that. My origininal origin is Umuahia. Take note for nxt tym.
Geskiya na gode diyawa gashinen kin beni alot of infoz.
but I do not agree with lawyers r liars now I am so tired but mayb nxt tym. I can prove u wrong. Mayb :-/
Thanx Sis. Much appreciate the appreciation!!!!!!!!!!!
Ina kyautata tsammani kina so kizama lawya Ummita!!! Allah Ya baki Sa'a Amin. Ba kowane fanni aikin lawya ne bashi da kyau ba. Kuma aikin lawya ya kansa mutum yasan 'yancin kansa a kalla. Kuma there are great Job opportunities so keep at it and Good luck! Presuming that is what you want!
Quote
Thnx alot. Much appreciated. B/4 I go eni further. Plz make I clarify 1 tin. I no dey for Engilandu. Me mah I dey hear about that. My origininal origin is Umuahia. Take note for nxt tym.
Yes mima, I remember we jam for Otpikwo market for Umuahia. Di gel no bi hausa. ;D (she is fulanibgo) It is a new tribe
Very good infromation Ummul & Dyme. I have learnt alot man!!!
We can tlk about professions right? I juss wanted to ask...even though being a politician is taken as a profession, but dont you think without politics things would have been far off better. Technically speakin now everything you touch is politics, politics is soooooo omnipresent in anything about Nija, 2 me it has deformated, deshaped,demoted, & deflated Nija. Politics has even demeanoured pplz livin life! How far will this profession go on in damagin everything. Yes to me its damage.....& damage 2 everything about Nija. Wat do you think?