Ok. Now what do u think of the Hausa-Fulani in the next 100 yrs to come? Their culture, belief, mission and vision; I mean their complete worldview embellished in this hurricane of insurmountable momentum. Imagine then Internet will be everywhere; vision phones will be available like transistor radio; and privacy will be a matter of privilege. Who then is Hausa man and what will he represent?
Waziri
Mallam Wazir you know better. As Muslims, culture should be of secondary concern because the prophet (PBUH) came to detach us from those notions of racial/cultural/tribal consciousness. Note where such an idea took Hitler and co.
Having said that, do you sense any phenomenal change from Danfodio's jihad days to today in light of technological advancement. I personally believe the future will continue to bring us glad tiding as long as we stick to our religion and then may be our culture.
Gaskiya ban damu da zamani ba saboda bahaushe yayi kokari wurin incorporating al adar sa tare da musulunci and as such will never loose its essentials.
A sharuwa lafiya.
Bissalam
man from tha way things are going da Hausa-Fulani cultures will be long forgotten in a 100yrs time
haba.... that's cold!... ur trying to say we'll be extinct?...haha.. well, we'll try not to..
i know a lot of fulanis nowadays dont even know fulani.
Hausa will very much be around... but with inter-marriages, travelling, and schooling abroad...etc etc... i say, we just need to accept the changes that will come our way...
Errr..... skoolin or workin abroad has nufin 2 du with changes 2 hausa/fulani culture... perhaps u can say it might ppl individually change ppls attitude & believes with regards 2 d inter marriage stuff, but nut norms of our cultures nut even d d culture as a whole.
either way... it still has the same outcome...
u marry someone who's not from the same tribe... ur kids will learn little or nothing from fulani culture... thus the generation and the next will keep going that way...
i mean, u can see this everyday... people say, "i'm fulani".. and when u say "a wawi fulfulde na".. they go look u like "DUH!"...
and tsakaninki da Allah... how many northerners abroad have u seen actually kept it real with their roots?? even if u met any, the ones who deserted the culture outweigh those who preserved the culture...
globalisation... we're all changing... and it shouldnt be a "threat".. or at least we shouldnt try to take it as a threat. The world keeps changing... we might as well accept it as it is and move on...
OK....na yadda....ba sai kin sa tsakanina da God :-/...Its just a thread. Still it doesnt really have d same outcum. Am not sayin I totally disgree with u, Infact I du... but half way though. So...... don civilisation da modernisation sai mu manta da culture & cuz globalisation is takin its toll we accept 'n' move on. Those that wan2 is by far so ok.but......... :-X Eniwayz (am zipped up)
Zipped out!! then again acceptin 'n' movin on means..leavin out d culture 'n' goin global, ke....think about it:o culture rounds off 2 our food, dress mode, language, moral & beliefs .
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Lets leave fura & nono 4 oaths & skimmed milk
" " zani & riga 4 tops 'n' jeans
" " Saa'du Bori 4 Kurupt,bonethug 'n' harmony
When mum says am grounded, I charge @ her
So as well leavin culture can as well b related 2 religion.more or less thatz wat u r tlkin 'bout.
We wudnt adopt white culture & say cuz globalisation is just takin nature. We cant just leave our myths behind. Think about it gurl. Its easy 2 say it out 'n' put it in writing, but give it a deep taught.
Yeah rty! Fyne gurl, thats y u' b trippin when we mention fulaneez, u gon b.. "awawi fulde na, awawi fulde na!!" u' gon leave our culture accept changes of globalisation 'n' move on. Not takin liberties man!! but its a fact. Waziri's ryt in 100yrs there will b definately b changes, but I hope I wont b around by then.
Du u comprende'. So u gon' clean out accept 'n' move on or wat!!? Or shorties gon' b mad @ yah!!! We the fulaneez r gon' keep it real 'n' goin 4 say 10,000yrs 2 cum
One luv gurl!!! its all pep tlks
U & I have gone diverse 2 skip out Waziri's topic, am thinkin it was more of technology vs culture up there.
aww gurl.. ;D. no worry bout tskani da God... i juss thot it was kinda a normal phrase to use... newayzz...
lol! how many northerners even know who sa'adu bori is??
as for Africa... our clothes will be around...
and as for disrespecting elders... that has nothing to do with "white" culture... stereotype hun..
people keep thinkin' "white" culture is all negative... well its actually not... there are a lot of things we could learn from them, and also many other cultures around the world...
(btw... when u say "white" u mean whut? many different kinda white people.. swiss, poles, american, irish, etc etc... all got different cultures.. so generalizing them like that is not fair...)
personally, i prefer senegalese music to hausa music.. that doesnt make meeh a sell out.. and does not mean i "forgot" my culture...
i mean c'mon, every culture is basically a lot of cultures fused in one...
our "fulani" or "hausa" culture is also a union of other cultures... if u trace all around Africa... we all got somethings in common... even with people in south eastern Asia.. Arabs.. etc etc...
Every kind of culture has borrowed some kinda thing from other cultures... there is no pure culture...
Fulani use to wear those kute little halftops.. and nothing on the head... but now we wear senegalese clothes, hausa clothes, yoruba clothes, dance to yoruba music during our ceremonies, we also wear arabian influenced clothes etc etc... it's all NORMAL and GOOD! *personally i like it*
and i'm not sayin' leave our culture... i'm juss sayin' there IS going to be a change... and when that change comes.. we shouldnt fret... cuz the world is always changing... and will continue to do so...
we're all here in this world to recognize each other and taste the different spices of life... and I am one of those who juss enjoy the positive aspects of the different cultures in za world.. ;D
Ok..ok u got me tlkin again ;). Now u have changed a lil of ur statements up there, Duz eni1 read out "accept 'n' move on"? All in all, am not tlkin about not learnin to fit in other cultures or whether 1 ought 2 dance 2 (Samba, yoruba tracks) not sayin 1 shud not dance 2 their music, or dress in Agbada or Indian Sareez. but still I get d picture.
With the "white" as u said , its not a fair word, fair enuff. I'd taken it bck. Gurl still u r not tryin 2 tell me that u MIGHT end up givin a passion & a vice 'n' neva return 2 them. Watz d situation like? So go on sunshine keep xpolorin diff culturez Fur-real gurl. Du urs , I'll du mine, On ma part, I'll try 2 make sure everything looks gud,sounds gud & feels gud. I'll du my outmost 2 keep culture goin inside me 4 d rest of ma livin life. U can go on 'n' seek out new life styles 'n' new civilisation 8).
4 ur question on how many ppl know S' Bori ... I know one who definately duz, & that person is simply u....& alot outside du as well. If am not mistake, 'n' if my memory works, u said changes 2 our culture r hindered by skoolin abroad ,intermarriage & now wut, whut, wat? Globalisation. I c my self 4 one, not changin, but still maintain......
Babes, stereotype on attidute 2 parents isnt stereotype (I repeat it aint)..so u r tryin 2 tell me d way ppl r being labelled by d society, means it turns out 2 b their natural behaviour, or ought 2 b their norm? But if I may say....I 4 1 & 4 alot of ppl dont think white ppl have negative values, belifes, behaviour & morals. If I think there vibes r negative, I wont b usin (IT) 2 pass out my meassage 2 Fyne gurl, (I dont know where u perceived that) & ah!!! u just said white as well(denyin it?) Read out paragraph 3 of ur views (That aint fair 2 labell them as white)
So wat r they blue, pink... come on darlin' they have since been labelled as white ppl!! Agree 2 disgaree, they r refered 2 as white ppl. Am gald u have realised...& weighed it in ur heart, that u will still maintain our culture :P Even though things will neva b d'same with cultures xcetra..It still duznt mean we 4get, accept 'n' move on. That wud have been a ludacris decision & statement(So this callz 4 a celebration, Fura & nono any1) I du hope u wont make me write out again. Lets end it 'ere ;)
dyme i strongly disagree wid u over da issue of dem yahudu and Nasara ,these people don destroy our culture finish.
is it in our culture for tha authorities to charge you juss for beating up yur own child ???????
and our dress code changed due to da advent of Islam though still some gurls who imitate the Lil kim's go out half naked and u still say that white man culture good
Batta kawai, even though u urself stated a different version of ur own judgements. Accept globalisation 'n' move on & they will still consider u as an outsider, Moreover, u have opted 2 taste other cultures,which is a zillion % ok....but ... by far leavin urs behind :o boy!!! (lets say)u try 2 adopt their culture, truss....me man!!! u wont even fit (she laffs) waya ga Dyme gurl in blumers 'n' corset!!
errr... AD.. u should know that there are a number of white people who actually do have good morals... its not AAALLLL white people who report their parents, or go out naked, or do drugs, or... or whuteva else u heard or seen on TV... such "hauka" is human nature, and shouldnt be restricted to a single "race"... it's not necessarily their culture
and who are nasara?.. ::)
and ummi... i said.."positive" aspects of different culture.. [and "white" in quotes.. as in "so called whites"...]
and talkin' bout "fittin'" in.. i'll juss let that slide.. cuz u really dont know meeh or where i been...
and i do not have the slightest idea who sa'adu is.. never heard bout him at aaaaallllll....
"accept" and "move on".. i meant.. people shouldnt always try to be sooo defensive about "culture"... it changes..
i guess we're basically saying the same thing.. both of u juss assumed i meant.. forgettin' "my" culture, and adopting "western" culture.. which i never mentioned..
and to tell u the truth... i'm a product of different cultures, so u will excuse meeh if i'm not so keen on ONLY "fulani" culture...
but like Amin said.. Islam is the important aspect of life.. and all that culture/racial/tribal consciousness should GET GONE!
Wo!!! sum1's heating up! Its just a discussion babes, midai, all I know is, all our cultures, b it Fulds, hausaz, Igboz, Americanz/Spaniolaz or watvea..... is all grill, so dont get it twisted.
Yeah ryt, not so keen on only fuldz!!! Thatz y I c my gurl trippin when we mentions fuldz, body go start 2 shake.
Diz yuwa statement go fit land u 4 another I say....u say....
Enihow.....everyone just du as u wish. U keep shinin...............
OK.......Enuff said 'ere'. Topics closed. :-X
Am just laffin!!!!
If u ask me wazz...I think there would be an ecolved tradition...completely different from what we know has the hausa-fulanis of today. Too much will change coz too much is changing very fast at the moment...there is no telling where we will end up. I`m afraid our culture looks too bleak.
I`m sorry I cant change it. it's changing...a tree two or three trees can`t make a forest. It`s sad.
Nah thats d way u c it..........but by mere facts u know 4 defo that, changes can b made indvidually, we gon' strive hard 2 c that changes do not affect our culture. D way I c it, u all r relating changes with sci-fi, well 2 b on ur side a lil we all know TECHNOLOGY has a great impact on alot of changes, but then IT vs Tradition and culture!!!!!!!! I dont think so. Give it a deep thinkin session
Majority of Hausa Fulani, say some 95% are muslims and by virture of being that they have (or are supposed to have) as their tradition the tradition of the Holy Prophet (SAW) and as culture, the culture of the Holy Prophet (SAW) but there may be some differing areas considering the background may be in dressing, language, etc but centrally everything must be done according to Islamic Injunctions. From the above therefore as long as Islam exist the culture will be there, especially if the Muslims will follow the Prophet's (SAW) traditions and cultures.
And for the Hausa Fulani culture to continue to remain, it is left to you and I who are supposed to transfer them to the new generation. If we are willing but are we willing? a lot of things that used to be there, that we learnt from our parents are no more there. These days our dressing, our mode of talking are americanised/europeanised and if we continue at this rate Islam will remain but hausa-fulani will be gone forever!
Well to pick a pee from a joke ?Mr Chairman have speakED, The MC spokED now I am going to SPARK!?
Aminuddeen, FDQ, Good Fella, Katsinian , Hafsat , the poetic Ummita and Abu Mujahid. Good greetings!!!!!
It has been a lively discussion. To be more explicit about the topic of discussion, I think I understand the technology that comes with globalization to be different from GLOBALISM which is an aspect of globalization that seeks to provide the world with an entirely different culture, in order to rob individual cultural groups of their norms, values and identities. For those of us who were liberal enough with their sight to have watched the 1999 beauty pageant; a similar kind of activity that sparked the flames of mayhem recently in some parts of Nigeria. They would have seen how at the tail end of the program a Jewess wearing a frock as an evening dress was chosen as the one who wore the best evening dress among hundred others who deemed or "doomed" it necessary to wear a different dress of their respective cultures. Remember a gathering like that is always considered to be a gathering of the world. And we could see how a culture of wearing a frock as an evening dress was imposed on the rest, yes, "imposed" ? because it was said to be the best. Get the thought?! And see daily how the art of dressing half-naked is gaining ground across the globe. In the Arab world as well as Africa specifically Hausa Land, in fact if a lady wants to feel among ,she has to be ?gluttonous? in appearance. When Jennifer Lopez was asked about its legitimacy she said "It is not being immoral but rather knowing how to dress beautifully" and Lopez and Britney Spears are the models of many girls now in Hausa land, especially those who surf the net today trying to detect the highs and lows of music and musical industries.
In the academics which is the intellectual engine room of cultural survival, not only Hausa culture is being swept, but even our greater spiritual asset( Islam) as considered by Aminuddeen(and it is true) to be the spring-board of our more- than-noble-culture is being devastatingly attacked. I can still vividly remember how my social studies teachers, right from primary school days taught me to believe in the theory of evolution against my religious or cultural BACKground and FOREground; that man as an organic part of this universe is a product of chance. A chance; just a chance like that. Remember the theory? The Homo erectus, the home sapiens and(a little laugh) now MAN is said to be a homosexual. You see if we can all remember, this theory as proposed by Darwin, was what led to what today is known as "social darwinism" and social darwinism is the bedrock of CAPITALISM and SOCIALISM, the two philosophies that rule the world today and are in constant fight with our religion and system of values. And just imagine while the proponents of this belief/culture are hell-bent on propagating their ideologies through our text books Hausa-Fulani man is yet to even come-up with a very rich dictionary of Hausa/Fulani Language, talk less of a guide, a help that will make it easy for the Hausa speaking fellow to understand some complex ENglish /OUTglish words. NO! An emphatic NO!!! For Hausa man is busy marrying four wives, ?exploring varieties?. I can remember how our friend here Abu Mujahid invoked the help of other members of this forum before he could get the meaning of a FIG tree in Hausa. And also it is the proponents of this ideology that fill the net today with websites like Islamexposed.com or secularislam.org with views that are hard to crack. Anya kuwa ummita and Amin, don't u think that in the next hundred years our children and grandchildren who will become more attached to the net than we are today will find more reasons to subscribe to their views? ?Remember, Dan-Sokoto once mentioned how some of our ladies do marry non-Muslims. Don't you think in the next hundred years we will have more accumulations of such characters than we have now? This add to the fact that 90% percent of the publications of the 20th century were not publications of the Muslims and you will agree with me that over 90% of what is obtained on the net today is not Muslim-favoured substance talk less of Hausa-Fulani man. We are truly out-brained, out-brawned, out-gunned, out-skilled, out-moneyed, out-manned. Yes out-manned, for do we know that in the second half of the 19th century Muslims constituted one-third of the world population? How about now? Muslims now are only one sixth of the world population!!!! This renders the argument that Islam has increased over the centuries invalid.
I most note here that GLOBALISM did not start with the coming-up of the net and vision phones but I strongly believe that we are being infected with it faster through the unprecedented growth in modern technology. And it appears like we cannot help it. May be that is what informed the pessimism of Ibro and shedding of tears by Hafsat. ?True to God I fret too, for by day we loose our word power when it comes to speaking Hausa, we loose the Islamic Dress Code, we loose the Islamic values and upon all we define the Islamic Legal Theory in terms of the concepts provided by this new-demon-soul- impoverishing-robbing civilization.
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I love this forum! you get educated everyday, perhaps that's why it is my home page. Waziri thanks so much and I think it is a duty upon us to ensure that our language, culture, tradition and most especially religion does become a pigment of history to the future generation. It is even a religious duty to ensure that your kids get the best of Islamic knowledge. These days children go to the modern school and when they come home the parent is only worried about their home work not the less than 2 hours they are supposed to use in the makarantar allo.
I remember how my mother refused to allow me take the common entrance examination without first graduating from the Islamic School. It is a duty upon us to train our children and believee me the best we can give them is the Islamic. Unfortunately we all think that our children will be better off with modern education, they'll be rich and contented and we'll then sleep well in our grave. We have all forgotten that every child is born with his wealth and fate. And we have forgotten about predestination which is an article of our faith. It is only when our future generation represented here by our children have the best Islamic Education that we can be sure of our norms and values, culture and traditions existing forever.
Once again Waziri thanks for reenergizing my resolve to ensure that my kids spend more time in Islamic schools than modern ones, especially these days that the two are combined in most schools.
Our culture is not going anywhere. You just dont understand. Even in my belive of things will never be thesame as yesterday. I cannot close my eyes and say all changes that are happening are not being adapted by culture!!. Yes I cant.
Changes happen, one can anticipate the changes, monitor the changes, adapt to these changes and then finally chnage, But the question is whos esponsibility is it to bring about changes in a society. If someone should change, why would you want to follow the changes. Eg: IT people are the onces changing and taking control over your life. IT was made or introduced by humans, so who is a huma to change other humans? What is he/she? We can all resist to changes. Supposin someone tells you to stick your hand into fire.....you can do it at your own free will or simply reject.
So will all the ranting and ravings those have put up accepting the changes is hausa/fulani culture with modernisation or globalisation or whatever is simply Nutsy............................
oh well.. who cares about culture aniwayzzz?? ;D ok.. maybe many of u do... ::) but really... why panic? things are bound to change.. hopefully we wont loose our Islamic knowledge... and we wont change for the negative... Amen!
Tau a gaskiya duk kun ce wani abu. The time frame (100 yrs) you all are looking at is too short for any culture to vanish.
I believe culture is important as it defines who we are and who we call ours, but it is not at all as important as sticking to the islamic traditions. We all know that the Hausa/Fulani culture is now so inter-mingled with the islamic tradition that it is sometimes difficult to tell which is which.... bottom line is in time the differences will be picked out and believe it or not they will be dropped from what we call 'our culture' now, just like many others that have been dropped along the way because they contradict islam. Islam is a complete way of like, that governs how a person goes through this life... from what you speak to what you wear.... hey even how you go to the loo!!!
Take for example in the past which Hausa/Fulani family would send thier daughter out of the country to study?? Now how many of you all are out there.... (this was just an example)... in the strict hausa/fulani culture that would have been a definite 'NO, NO'.
Sadly, as much as we love to see our culture remain forever, it will not, the only thing that is here to stay is Islam and the traditions of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)... all the rest is secondary and hence expendable.
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Sadly, as much as we love to see our culture remain forever, it will not, the only thing that is here to stay is Islam and the traditions of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)... all the rest is secondary and hence expendable.
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Am with u MAG,......... but then if we dont want our culture in b off d track watwe gotta du? I say....lets try 2 maintain it individually. How wud we feel if the next generation or ur kids dunno a nubble about his/her parents culture? Now how bad is that? (mutum bezei seni asalinsa ba kenan)!! Lets try & maitain & keep it goin...so that the next generation will know of our culture, so that our culture will not b lost in history.
Yeah, I agree with all d facts y'all have brought 4ward..but its not that... ::) ...oh well we just have 2 accept changes, or oh well technology...oh next 100yrs modernising & civilisation........so on & so forth. But guys hang it 4 a bit. If we resist 2 changes then they will not happen, when we want it 2 happen then it will. Its like growing up in some place in d outskirts of China, & not knowing ur family gerantion, clothes they wear, wat they eat how they speak their cultures, norms & beliefs. Now how shameful is that? So I say we shud try...but 4 those that want techowateva, moderwateva & even globalisation shud go ahead & change culture...but they shud feel guity about it..cuz their forefathers did leave behind the culture u & I grew up. So y deprive d next gen. by subjectin 2 Glo, Mod & Teach!?
Amma naji dadin bin wannan tataunawa!! Very interesting!!
I know most of the important points and graet ideas have been mentioned!! I was just wondering while I read thru the beutiful posts going by the poetic ummita ( I saw that here) and Fynme dyme; ni a gani na , ain't ther possibiliies that we hada da globa, techno ko ma meye with da culture?!!!!
Now wat Iam saying here is; I believe there are alot of good cultured fulani-hausa ppl that have excelled in different professions and are stilled well cultured. Akwai hadaddun firms da u will find most of the staff are hausa in fact even administrative instructions are made in hausa and it runs smoothly not 2 talk of dressing. Ina ganin ummita is ryte, we need to maintain ko ma a ina muka samu kanku @ da same time accomodating those changes but 2 suit our highly valued culture
The only culture worth maintaining in this strife and stress driven world is the culture of Islam. Any other culture can go dump itself into the rubbish bin of history. It is not a necessity in life.
Well, interesting indeed. Atleast we r making a way forward but Ummulhuda and MAG are optimistic about our Islamic identity but I still ask : 'how far can optimism take us?' Lets have something more concrete than hope. Remember this is reality, REALITY as in what eyes can see and hands can touch. We are going extinct!!!!! Not only the Hausa-Fulani but their religion and system of values. Lets get something more concrete. BY GOD I FRET!!!
Waziri
QuoteAny other culture can go dump itself into the rubbish bin of history. It is not a necessity in life.
Errr......Waziri I dont think neither Ummul nor MAG were objectin 2 culture vs Islam.
Infact I think we did diverse or shud I say we got d wrong ideas, The topic was more of like fulds/hausa vs Teachnology...I realised this when I read it ova again
Ummul recap...wat did u juss say,not a necessity: Bin culture in d bin!! Huh?!!!! :o I f u r hausa or fulds or eny other tribe huda dear, then wats d point of clamin 2 b of d tribe group if u say necessity doesnt count, Theres simply no point.
Min kam, culture is a big necessity.......menene amfanin culture iden ba abin de kina ciki ba..
I do agree with some of your points. but y shud we dump it in d bin. 4 all I care I aint.
Agree 2 disagree abun de kinar feda is like lets put side our culture, 4get it, pretend as it neva xsisted, remove great ppl in d books of history, throw norms, values, beliefs in 2 d bin. Its like throwin gr8t leaders away ppl like d sardauna (as I read from other topics, he was a gud leader).....its like everything man!!!. Wats d point of a human being livin a life without culture, without knowing who is he or she. Not knowing anything, whether he belongs to anything!!!!!!!. but juss wondering around d world.
Without culture, K-ONLINE cant & wudnt even think of representin arewanz, northerners 4 there will b no culture they will or can adopt 2 hold their head up hihg.
For I am glad 2 have a culture & 4 eva I willb a proud culture maintainer. For it gives e great pleasure & 2 pride 2 represent a culture or tribe origin :D Therefore....I go keep my culture close to the heart.
Ummul U've got 2 rominate. Put urself in a deep thinkin session; I know u will reconsider (she laffs).
& 4 now I will hold ma peace & say no more. Wannan topic din.......if eni1 oppose I give up....move with changes & I go maintain: As simple as that
QuoteThe only culture worth maintaining in this strife and stress driven world is the culture of Islam. Any other culture can go dump itself into the rubbish bin of history. It is not a necessity in life.
LoL!!!!that's really funny but kinda true...
and as for Religion... western Muslims are more into Islam and pratice it at the moderate level the Prophet talked about. Amma, in the east and some peeps in the North... it's DECLINING or kinda too extreme!!!!!
it wont be a problem if our culture evolves.. the world is Dynamic... everything's changing... as long as we use the Qur'an as a guideline.... i'm all for change!
Point of correction FDQ.... the Qu'ran and the Sunnah as our guide, for we cannot explain all the Qu'ran on our own without the sunnah.
A lot of words have been said on this topic... The way i see it, its not a matter of whether i want to preserve my culture or not. The fact is both my culture and islam are ways of life... so one has to give way to the other. eg... in the past could you even think of shaking the hand of your fathers friend? Islam says the best way to greet another MUSLIM irrespective of age (males ofcourse) is by shaking his hand and looking him in his eyes. So where do we find ourselves? One has to give way to the other and thats it.
Talking about technology kuma tau!!! That is completely up to us.... technology is here only to make life easier for us and whether we like it or not it is here to stay. I dont see how having a mobile phone will stop me from wearing baban riga or from eating tuwon dawa da miyan kuka. And it just doesn't make sense that i ride a horse from Kano to Kaduna and not a car because riding a horse is my culture.
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Errr......Waziri I dont think neither Ummul nor MAG were objectin 2 culture vs Islam.
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Ummul recap...wat did u juss say,not a necessity: Bin culture ?in d bin!! Huh?!!!! :o I f u r hausa or fulds or eny other tribe huda dear, then wats d point of clamin 2 b of d tribe group if u say necessity doesnt count, Theres simply no point.
Ummul U've got 2 rominate. Put urself in a deep thinkin session; I know u will reconsider (she laffs).
Ummita Darling dear, I'm sorry if I hurt your sensibilities. That was not my intention. I have done as you asked and put my thinking cap and went into deep ruminations, and I still came out with my original opinion. I'll soften it though.
Islamic culture is the only culture worth having. This is because Islam is a COMPLETE way of life. Now since it is that, then any other way of life is excluded. Our ways of life and lifestyles are dictated to by culture and culture is nothing but a collection of habits which refuse to die. As the saying goes, 'habits die hard' or something like that, so we are stuck with them, and we amalgamate them with our religion and live in comfortable ignorance. Is it any wonder the Prophet Sallam said that we will only attain paradise through the Grace of Allah and not through our works? Islam as a complete way of life means DISCARD everything but what the Prophet advocates. That's why we were told to emulate his lifestyle.
No other religion in this world has laid out guidelines in miniscule like the Islamic religion. Most of the time we don't even know the right behaviour for many events. Rather we follow our individual cultures. Right. Why is the Islamic Ummah considered as one all over the world? Why is it supposed to have ONE caliph and not several simultaneously? Because it is supposed to have ONE homogeneous culture, and ONE way of behaviour, not 100 million different types of mores and folklores. As to identity. Being a muslim is the only Identity one needs, not a Yoruba Muslim or a Hausa Muslim or an Arab muslim e.t.c. What will this Islamic identity do to us? DETRIBALISE us and let us live in harmony with each other without the millstone of our individual cultural traits making us despise each other.
What will happen to the Hausa - Fulani? Probably the same thing that happened to the Hausas and the Fulanis when they were separate identities. And Why not? The Hausas were not able to stop it, neither the Fulanis. So how much more their hybrid posterity? We will just blend into another melting pot. Its direction? Only God knows at the moment and whoever cares to make a dissertation on the subject matter.
MAG, Ummita and Ummulhuda.
I really find it necessary to reapeat myself here. It is not technology vs culture. It is the custodians or moulders of technology or what the technology carries within itself vs our Islamic culture and Identity. That is what I termed as GLOBALISM in my submission. And when I said that optimism cannot help us. I meant we only can't say Islam is there and "shikenan" and relax "kawai". May be we can think and sterategise. I think that is in all why we are in this Forum.
Luts of love. I pray Im not being misunderstood.
QuoteWell to pick a pee from a joke ?Mr Chairman have speakED, The MC spokED now I am going to SPARK!?
Aminuddeen, FDQ, Good Fella, Katsinian , Hafsat , the poetic Ummita and Abu Mujahid. Good greetings!!!!!
It has been a lively discussion. To be more explicit about the topic of discussion, I think I understand the technology that comes with globalization to be different from GLOBALISM which is an aspect of globalization that seeks to provide the world with an entirely different culture, in order to rob individual cultural groups of their norms, values and identities. For those of us who were liberal enough with their sight to have watched the 1999 beauty pageant; a similar kind of activity that sparked the flames of mayhem recently in some parts of Nigeria. They would have seen how at the tail end of the program a Jewess wearing a frock as an evening dress was chosen as the one who wore the best evening dress among hundred others who deemed or "doomed" it necessary to wear a different dress of their respective cultures. Remember a gathering like that is always considered to be a gathering of the world. And we could see how a culture of wearing a frock as an evening dress was imposed on the rest, yes, "imposed" ? because it was said to be the best. Get the thought?! And see daily how the art of dressing half-naked is gaining ground across the globe. In the Arab world as well as Africa specifically Hausa Land, in fact if a lady wants to feel among ,she has to be ?gluttonous? in appearance. When Jennifer Lopez was asked about its legitimacy she said "It is not being immoral but rather knowing how to dress beautifully" and Lopez and Britney Spears are the models of many girls now in Hausa land, especially those who surf the net today trying to detect the highs and lows of music and musical industries.
In the academics which is the intellectual engine room of cultural survival, not only Hausa culture is being swept, but even our greater spiritual asset( Islam) as considered by Aminuddeen(and it is true) to be the spring-board of our more- than-noble-culture is being devastatingly attacked. I can still vividly remember how my social studies teachers, right from primary school days taught me to believe in the theory of evolution against my religious or cultural BACKground and FOREground; that man as an organic part of this universe is a product of chance. A chance; just a chance like that. Remember the theory? The Homo erectus, the home sapiens and(a little laugh) now MAN is said to be a homosexual. You see if we can all remember, this theory as proposed by Darwin, was what led to what today is known as "social darwinism" and social darwinism is the bedrock of CAPITALISM and SOCIALISM, the two philosophies that rule the world today and are in constant fight with our religion and system of values. And just imagine while the proponents of this belief/culture are hell-bent on propagating their ideologies through our text books Hausa-Fulani man is yet to even come-up with a very rich dictionary of Hausa/Fulani Language, talk less of a guide, a help that will make it easy for the Hausa speaking fellow to understand some complex ENglish /OUTglish words. NO! An emphatic NO!!! For Hausa man is busy marrying four wives, ?exploring varieties?. I can remember how our friend here Abu Mujahid invoked the help of other members of this forum before he could get the meaning of a FIG tree in Hausa. And also it is the proponents of this ideology that fill the net today with websites like Islamexposed.com or secularislam.org with views that are hard to crack. Anya kuwa ummita and Amin, don't u think that in the next hundred years our children and grandchildren who will become more attached to the net than we are today will find more reasons to subscribe to their views? ?Remember, Dan-Sokoto once mentioned how some of our ladies do marry non-Muslims. Don't you think in the next hundred years we will have more accumulations of such characters than we have now? This add to the fact that 90% percent of the publications of the 20th century were not publications of the Muslims and you will agree with me that over 90% of what is obtained on the net today is not Muslim-favoured substance talk less of Hausa-Fulani man. We are truly out-brained, out-brawned, out-gunned, out-skilled, out-moneyed, out-manned. Yes out-manned, for do we know that in the second half of the 19th century Muslims constituted one-third of the world population? How about now? Muslims now are only one sixth of the world population!!!! This renders the argument that Islam has increased over the centuries invalid.
I most note here that GLOBALISM did not start with the coming-up of the net and vision phones but I strongly believe that we are being infected with it faster through the unprecedented growth in modern technology. And it appears like we cannot help it. May be that is what informed the pessimism of Ibro and shedding of tears by Hafsat. ?True to God I fret too, for by day we loose our word power when it comes to speaking Hausa, we loose the Islamic Dress Code, we loose the Islamic values and upon all we define the Islamic Legal Theory in terms of the concepts provided by this new-demon-soul- impoverishing-robbing civilization.
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.....What will happen to the Hausa - Fulani? ?Probably the same thing that happened to the Hausas and the Fulanis when they were ?separate identities. And Why not? The Hausas were not able to stop it, neither the Fulanis. So how much more their hybrid posterity? We will just blend into another melting pot. Its direction? Only God knows at the moment and whoever cares to make a dissertation on the subject matter.
Yes, Ummu I love this, U got the Idea. We will change and become something else. But how about our Islamic culture? It too is going extinct according to the reserch I made. Because we were 1/3 of the world population at the 19th century but now we are 1/6 of the world population. My concern is the way out. And most of the stuff you find around necessary for the intellectual battle today is not Muslim-favoured. The technology in itself is not being controlled by us.
Allah says " Walladhina Jaahaduu fina la nahdiyannahum subulana".
Meaning " those who strive in our ways we open up path-ways for them"
And Allah has never said in the Qur'an that He is with the Muslims or Mu'minin but He says once and again that he is with "those that patiently persevere." Now. Do we Muslims really persevere?
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Ummita Darling dear, I'm sorry if I hurt your sensibilities. That was not my intention. I have done as you asked and put my thinking cap and went into deep ruminations, and I still came out with my original opinion.
C u Huda, Haba, theres nefink about hurtin feelins, besides this is juss a thread that lingers on in a forum. U have every ryt 2 say wat u agree 2 disagree with, so du I. If @ all one disagree or agree, then theres nefink wrong, but wat u think 4ward, as simple as that. Sensibility..........I wish I had that. (Common b sensible & stop sayin u hurt ma sensiblity!! :D)Besides d thinkin session was juss a joke babes, didnt know u did it :o. But tell u wat u gat gud points up there.
But 4 now I give up, but still I'll maintain culture................I will even start some sort of motivatin thingyyyyyyyyy 2wards culture....mind 2 join me up?
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C u Huda, Haba, theres nefink about hurtin feelins, besides this is juss a thread that lingers on in a forum. U have every ryt 2 say wat u agree 2 disagree with, so du I. If @ all one disagree or agree, then theres nefink wrong, but wat u think 4ward, as simple as that. Sensibility..........I wish I had that. (Common b sensible & stop sayin u hurt ma sensiblity!! :D)Besides d thinkin session was juss a joke babes, didnt know u did it :o. But tell u wat u gat gud points up there.
But 4 now I give up, but still I'll maintain culture................I will even start some sort of motivatin thingyyyyyyyyy 2wards culture....mind 2 join me up?
Count me in even if its just to give moral support!!!!!! ;)I
Waziri, you are too PERSISTENT!!!!!
One of the most frustrating things that can happen to a person is to have all your ideas neatly tied up for posting and you accidently click the wrong icon and your ideas vaporize right in front of your eyes. :-[ :-[ :-[
Ah well can't be helped, so you just have to wait a while longer till they materialize again or someone gives you a satisfactory answer to your DEMANDING and difficult question!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Waziri, you are too PERSISTENT!!!!!
One of the most frustrating things that can happen to a person is to have all your ideas neatly tied up for posting and you accidently click the wrong icon and your ideas vaporize right in front of your eyes. ? :-[ :-[ :-[
Ah well can't be helped, so you just have to wait a while longer till they materialize again or someone gives you a satisfactory answer to your DEMANDING and difficult question!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ayya!!! Ummu I did not know I ve been sending a wrong signal until after u spoke.
May be next time I will look for another target for my queries.
I sincerely have strong disdain for IT that hurts. For when boomerang bomerangs the target is its holder.
I think we should all be more careful next time.
For Life's asks more difficult questions than Waziri does. And the answers to those questions has always been the duty of MANKIND to find.
Hey!
What was that tirade all about? The 'demanding difficult question' was meant as a 'COMPLIMENT' Be proud that you can put posers that will all tie us into knots!!!
Oh another point, what I wrote about clicking wrong icons was really literal. So please don't read meanings where none are implied.
Mhm, Ummu what is there to be proud of? If one cannot solve problems then I don't think he should be hailed for creating them.
Ummu, language is a tool of illumination that is suppose to reflect the true emotions of the its user. With this, I think u used the wrong wordings to compliment poor Waziri.
Iam afraid but, by God, I see more of sacarsm and mockery in your posting than praise. May be u used wrong smileys: the crying ones and the grining ones, which of course express sadness and mockery respectively.
Ummu, I do encourage the good art of selectivity when it comes to communication. I think we should all move towards achieving a reasonable height in it. Allah says: Wa kulli ibadiy yakuliy latiy hiya ahsan". After all, it is always the issue not the person speaking about the issue.
Thank you and God bless
Allah kadai ya san abin da ze faru.