hey,
Assalam
who wants to form a rock band?
u know hausa rock band wow.
great idea
remixing shatta's song
with electric guitars and techno drums
we go
tannananannanana (guitar)
and then
shattaaaaaaaaaaaa
yeah u heard da man
he said shatta
shatta may ganga mun gode may ganda mun godeeee
did i give u a touch of the real thing?
hope so
anyone intrested?
Assalaam Alaikum,
Hmmm...Subhanallah.
Ma'3ssalaamah.
8never mind senior just kiddin
LoL @ Ihsan!!!!......
rock band????? oh boi... i prefer hausa hip hop... or fulani r'n'b... hausa soul... u know, betta things..
LORD HAVE MERCY ON OUR POOR SOULS :o :o :o :o :o
Rock band? Yes, of course. I had thought I was the only one with this crazy notion. I am glad to know of other kindered spirits. I was an amateur musician using an acoustic Ukelele Hawaiin guitar that I got as a birthday gift when I was 13 years in 1969. And NO, I am NOT from Kaduna State. I was born and bred in Daneji Quarters, KANO city. I am hardcore Kano, and more fulanicious than Fulanicious (!!). However, the looks I got from my friends when trying to play the guitar were enough to put me off. Often I was even accused of being a Christian (!!!) just because I prefer music to playing football.
I am HEAVILY into Heavy Metal and experimental rock. My favorites are the rock dinosours of the 1960s and 1970s - my generation, as it were. In the forefront are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Motorhead, Vander Graaf Generator, and later, Magnum, Scorpions, MSG Band, Groundhogs, Budgie, Fairfort Convention, The Incredible String Band, Allman Brothers and of course the greatest acid rockers of all, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention. Oh, okay, you can thrown in Jerry Garcia's Grateful Dead, and Lou Reed's Velvet Underground, if you insist on being a completist.
I then diversified muscially to Euro-rock, long before New Age acquired a label. In this regard, the early cosmic courier groups operating from Berlin were a real inspiration, particularly Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze (who was a drummer with Tangerine Dream before leaving after their first album, Journey Through a Burning Brain), Ashra Temple, Neu, Popul Vuh, Guru Guru, Amoon Duul and Magma, and from Japan, the Far East Family Band and Yellow Magic Orchestra.
So for a long time I have toyed with the idea of a fusion - along the lines of World Music structure of traditional Hausa musical arrangements and contemporary musical structures. It has been done in other cultures and it worked brilliantly. Just listen to Nusrat Ali Fateh Khan's collaborations with the Canadian Michael Brooks on NIGHTSONG and you see a fusion of East and West. Also listen to Malian groups like Ali Farka Toure, Oumou Sangare, Aichate Sidibe, Salif Keita, Adama Yolomba and be amazed by the way they use their language and TRADITIONAL instruments coupled with blazing rock-style guitars and create a perfect music. I will strongly recommend ALi Farka Toure's NIAFUNKE as an introduction to the interplay between a gurkel and blues guitar!
Some people responding to the suggestion of Hausa rock music seemed shocked - even a "subhanallah" was uttered. So what is wrong with it? Have you ever listed to HAUSA musicians playing ROCK music in HAUSA? No? Then listen to Saadou, from Niger, especially his killer-album BORI. How about KUKAN MARAYA by Buari of Ghana, or KUDAN GIDA by Maurice Riga from Ghana also?
Further, those of us growing up in the 1960s and 1970s Northern Nigeria recall vividly brilliant people like BALA MILLER, SONNY LIONHEART who all sang in Hausa but used rock instruments. Also the late Governor of Kano, Alhaji Audu BAko (Allah Ya Jikasana, Amin) pioneered a music band in the Kano State Government House with full complement of musicians, led by the great Pat Natson of Kaduna. They were all singing in Hausa, and it was bril!
Contempraneously, many of the "musicians" (they can't play ANY instrument, prefering to use the Casio music generator to generate various sounds) producing soundtracks for Hausa home videos have started to adapt Hausa traditional music to the Casio-style musical renditions. A BAMU DOMIN ALLAH is a brilliant track that follows the structure of Muhammad Dahiru Daura's BAYANIN WILLI. Daura, of course was the blind Hausa "maroki" who rendered the Hausa comic-opera, IDI WANZAMI NA TASHAR GAGAWA. The adapted track is part of the soundtrack for a movie called Tsaro Part 2.
Also there is an audio tape going around in Kano called IBRO DAN INDIA which brilliantly Hausanized the famous Oumou Sangare song, Ah N'diya (which in Kano is referred to as Aliya). Then of course IBRO AWILO, which is an adaptation of Awilo Longomba's songs in Hausa by Sadi of Kano.
I am currently liaising with the owner of the Sulpur Music studio in Kano to see how we can adapt Hausa music to modern instrumental tunes. After all, the traditional musicians, still as brilliant as ever, are no longer producing. We have to move on and create an avenue through which we can share our musical experiences with other peoples in the world.
So, "yea, baby, that sounds groovy. Like, far out, man!" Let Woodstock roll back! Let Jimi Hendrix (tunes) accompany Dan Maraya Jos lyrics. Let the FUN BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Abdalla (an old rocker who still loves Motorhead)
More FuLaNiCiOuS than MOI???????????? Obviously, coz ur not black at all........atleast ur taste isnt....
:o
salam brotha(?) :)
I have followed the series on this Forum with keen attention for the last few days and i wish to commend the operators for a job well done
On a serious note, the fusion of hausa music is long over due, and the high time we come out of musical doldrum the better for our bodies and souls.
Abdallah,s expose is incontrovertible and commendable. Fulanicious and Ihsan please open your minds to progrssive developments, otherwise we will continue to lag behind. All these hiding behind religious garb to continue to depress ourselves needs to be seriously examined. Most of our hausa songs of repute can even be described as un-islamic. Listen to Dankwairo, Shatta etc. They only extol confrontation and arousing sentiments of yester-years battle fought by Bawa Jan Gwarzo, and all that non-sense.
Hausawa, you better stand up otherwise the world has left you behind.
Sai an jima.
SALAMU ALAIKUM....brotha......please let me know what is the connection between "us being left behind" and "music"
for once in ur life why can't u appreciate ur own culture and lifestyle.....why do yall always wanna copy other poeple especially the westerners??????????? I have been in the midst of them for 15 years of my life...and beleive me their ways aint always the best...this is ridiculus, yall should BE proud of ur own kind of music.... do u ever hear them saying they will mix ROCK MUSIC with AFRICAN MUSIC....
this is not really about religeon........its more about CULTURE PRIDE!!!!!! Even though i never listen to hausa music(coz i just never grab the lyrics) and dont know any fulfulde music :-[but that doesnt mean that we should ABOLISH what has been going on for centuries in our traditions....or change it..... its so unacceptable..... r u trying to deny ur tradition.....I dont know bout u, but i am one PROUD fulani gurl...and wouldnt trade my traditions for anything else in the world!!!!!!!!!!
MAY ALLAH BE WITH US YALL
PEACE OUT
hmm....son of sokoto....come oh.... try and put aside religion and see whut situation u'll put ur self in.... wanna know? its beyond depression....
newayz... music is not prohibitted in Islam... as long as its with good taste... if u go around singin' bout sex...drugs...killin'... etc etc... then know ur wastin' ur time...
but when its about progress and positivity.. i'l all for it...
dont forget... Islam is here to guide us thru life... if u know whuts best for u... use it as a guidin' tool....
juss my kobo biyu...
Fulanicious, Wallahi, i fully appreciate your sentiments and point of view. And don't be sad, as i am extremely proud of my culture and heritage.
I am sure you know culture is not static but dynamic, as our culture today, cannot be said to be 100% what it was 100 - 200 years back. Simply the point being made is that, our music should POSITIVELY grow up and not lag behind. In this instance we are not talking about use of 'Batsa' and foul language. Far from it. We want to see instrumental developments using modern technology in order to enhance the quality and value of output etc.
For most of my adult life, i have lived in Lagos, and it pains me a lot to visit Northern Nigeria and see our women folk dancing to Sunny Ade, Lagbaja etc at wedding ceremonies. If over the years, our Kalangu musicians have gone a step further to improve what they have inhereted from their fathers and Grand fathers, at least they could pace with their audiences. But i am sorry to say, as it is now our local musicians have lost their audiences.
Of all the points you made Fulanicious, none appealed to me more than your deep devotion to your fulani heritage. But, please also note that, others do your share in that devotion. I am equally fulanicious gaba da baya, only that, hausa language has linguistically blurred most of our (may be you inclusive) fulani heritage since many of us can't speak the language. Therefore, note that, one can equally be a patriotic fulani and still disagree with you (just like i do) on the character and form of fulani or hausa music. Western life or culture like our own has many good sides to it and bad sides. Therefore, what i am advocating is that, we take the good aspect of the west and add to our good side while leaving out anything that is bad from all sides. How about that?
Thanks for reading.
*hiss*..... deep devotion for which culture????..... all ya'll are SELL-OUTS!!!!!! :P 8)
and to make it even worse... u wanna start a rock band.... why why why why? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? whhhhhhhyyyyyy? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
hip hop now....hip hop naaaaaaaaaaaa...... heeeeeeeeeep hop! ;)
Salamualaikum
Dan Sokoto, u said "and it pains me a lot to visit Northern Nigeria and see our women folk dancing to Sunny Ade, Lagbaja etc at wedding ceremonies."
well guess what? Its just like me coming to nija for holiday and see people bobbin their heads to Rap, RnB, rock etc...
And in my view its even better to see my people dancing to Sunny Ade, Lagbaja (whoever they are :-[) than seeing my people dancing to IRON MAIDEN, etc... So why should u even stress out hatin to see Northern women dancing to Sunny Ade while u are lsitening to Bon jovi, Kiss, Europe, etc...
so my point here exactly is, all people have different tastes,,,and u shouldnt xpect people to like ur own taste...
just like I dispise Iron Maiden, u like them....
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n yes u are right "culture is not static but dynamic, as our culture today, cannot be said to be 100% what it was 100 - 200 years back" But lets not forget, there r speacial parts of cultures that just never fade away...
these special parts will always be there in the culture, these parts aid in IDENTIFYING the culture... yes, every culture adapts other cultures..but must maintain these speacial parts of its OWN cultures that has been passed down from generation to generations.......
for example...hausa rock music... yeah it will be mostly electric guitars, hard drums...hmmmm lutta things that will just show that we are NOT ORIGINAL....
even if ur so interested to bring up a new type of hausa music, u must come up with our own kind..gatta be creative...we all know that rock music doesnt belong to us, just make ur own that u can call Yours...Ours....Hausa...Northern Nigerian music
Oooh, I love a good scrap. Sorry, Fulanicious, I am BLACK. As Black as anything, and yes, more fulanicious than Fulanicious. It is tough, but you gonna have to live with it, girl. I don?t know what your image of a Black person is, but it sure is different from mine. Your image of a Bro seems to restrict such dude to a solid diet of Tupac Shakur. Ouch!
Neither am I a white guy in a black skin. Just one lucky dude who has had the benefits of superior education, upbringing, and a liberal atmosphere at home ? and that was in conservative Northern Nigeria, not Oakland California (where I did live for sometime!). Liking rock music does not mean necessarily liking white people ? after all, BLACK people originated rock music, although nothing says you have to like or dislike someone based on musical genres. Since you are a latter-day Angela Davis (you do know her, don?t you?) I am sure you must know this lyric from Sly Stone: ?don?t hate the Black, don?t hate the White, if you get bitten, just hate the bite, make sure your heart is beating right?. It was a post-civil rights anthem of tolerance and togetherness. It should be your credo. It is therefore surprising to see bigotry rearing its ugly head on a Hausa cultural forum!
You seemed worried about my musical tastes and preferences. Think I should be more Blacky? Well here we go. Where were you when Wattsstax was held in 1973? I was not in Los Angeles, but right here in Kano City. And when the movie of the event came-a-calling, I was in the line at Palace Cinema, Kano City to watch it in 1974. Which record made Kool and the Gang famous? Nah, it is not Ladies Night. It was Funky Stuff. Part of an album called Wild and Peaceful. I scrapped my pocket money together to buy a copy of the album right here at a record store in Galadima Road, Sabon Gari in 1973. It may not be Tower Records or Virgin Megastore, but hey, it delivered!
You want me to reel out the Black hall of musical fame that formed the staple diet of my education? Here we go: Sly and the Family Stone, The Temptations, George Clinton?s Funkadelic (and no, not Bill Clinton?s lost Black brother, either) Earth, Wind, and Fire; the Ohio Players; the Commodores; Arthur Conley, Wilson Pickett, the Bar-Kays, Brass Construction, Booker T and MGs, Jean Knight, Fontella Bass, Millie Jackson, uncle Bill Withers, Undisputed Truth, the Hues Corporation and a whole bunch of others, some you have probably never heard of.
Or are you more comfortable with me telling that I was right there when the following gansta rappers cut their musical teeth?: Geto Boys, N.W.A., Ice Cube, Ice-T, Too Short, 2 Live Crew, and Public Enemy? I myself prefer the old school of rap such as the original rapper DJ Kool Herc, and later Afrika Bambaataa, Breakout, Grandmaster Flash, Fat Boys, Whodini, Kool Moe Dee, and Melle Mel. But music is music, and a universal message of peace, tolerance and togetherness, and should not be delineated by skin color.
And in case you have forgotten, Run-D.M.C. fused rap and hard rock on their eponymous album; as did Hard Corps with their Def Before Dishonor. The Equals, a British pop band in the 1970s (and who produced Eddy Grant of Electric Avenue fame) were among the first black-and-white musicians on the planet. And where do you place Eminem? Should you hate him because he is White and sings with Black feelings?
The point of all this is to show you how bloody lucky I am ? lucky enough to appreciate such diverse and eclectic musical offerings from people whose talent I focus attention on, rather than the accident of their birth or their skin color. I am Black, African, Muslim, and Male. That does not mean I should hate Led Zeppelin simply because Jimmy Page and Robert Plant are white. If I don?t like the vibes, then I don?t like the vibes, no matter the color of the vibemaster.
Clearly you need a history lesson on development of the music industry in the West. The number of collaborations between western musicians and Africans is incredible. Paul McCartney of the Beatles, for instance, recorded one of his albums in Lagos in the 1970s using Lagos-based studio session musicians. Ginger Baker, a well-known drummer, was an old associate of Fela Anilukapo Kuti. Peter Gabriel, former singer of Genesis, helped to establish WOMAD a festival that celebrates fusion of music across continents and cultures. Ry Cooder, an American blues guitarist, collaborated with Ali Farka Toure of Mali to produce TALKING TIMBUCTU, a brilliant fusion of eclectic musical convergence. So yes, there are MANY westerners talking about mixing African Music with rock music. Just because you are NOT AWARE of them does not mean they don?t exist. As I said, you probably need to educate yourself on issues before going into them. Why don?t you revisit Lauryn Hill?s MISEDUCATION OF LAURY HILL? There might be some lessons there for you. Despite your fire and thunder, it is surprising you have not asked mommy or daddy to bring you tons of Hausa Music. And being Fulanicious, I am sure you must have all the albums of Ina Baba Couly, a Fulani woman folk musician, don?t you?
This thread started by Ali Hamza was exploring ways of fusing Hausa music with rock. I still think it is ?groovy idea?, and would go for it.
And please, let us not get unnecessarily cultural. A lot of musical influences in Hausa are non-Hausa. Example, Mamman Shata was famous for his lyrics and musical instrument of KALANGU. Well, Kalangu (African drums) is not a Hausa instrument; it was borrowed, complete with the name, from the Yoruba. That does not mean Shata should not use it to create Hausa masterpieces such as Bakandamiya. So let?s cut out the purist revulsion.
Let us also cut out the moralizing. There is nothing religious about Hausa music. Indeed a lot of it was debauchery. Listen to Barmani Choge?s WAKAR XXXX (an anatomical portion of the human body), WAKAR GWARNE; also Uwaliya Mai Amada?s MALLAM YE MALLAM KARYA (Wannan Ba Malami bane). How about Shata?s ASHA RUWA BA LAIFI BA NE, or Hassan Wayam?s YAR GORA?
If Ali Farka Toure, from Mali can use a blues guitar and combine it with local Malian instruments such as the gora, gurkel and others and produce a superb album like NIAFUNKE, I see nothing wrong with Hausa adopting that approach. Saadou of Niger Republic has done this brilliantly with his best-selling album, BORI.
So come on, let us have more debates and inputs about this. But cut out the bigotry, please. This is a globalized world. And despite Gil-Scott Heron?s epoch-making rap poetry, the revolution HAS been televised on the global medium of the Internet.
Abdalla (an ageing rocker who still loves Motorhead, and Twisted Sister)
bla bla bla,
yeah right
okay everyone made his/her point
lets get down to business
who's intrested in makin a rock band?
huh??
Fulanicious, please note the popular adage that, "there is no hope for a satisfied man or woman". In effect, a human being should always strive to improve on what he has. And for our (hausa) musical field, we simply need to improve within the permissible parameters of our religion, ethic, culture, upbringing etc etc. We know those permissible parameters without me going into them. Abdallah highlighted some notorious hausa musicians and their songs (e.g. Barmini mai Choge) that we should never encourage.
I am equally surprised to hear that, you fulanicious does not even listen to hausa or fulani songs because either you don't understand the lyrics or you don't have them. Then where is the patriotism? For all the periods i have been out of Nigeria, even in Lagos during my sojourn, i never ran short of hausa music of varying dimensions. As a matter of fact, i am currently in league with a very loyal hausafulani friend with whom we own the internet domain name hausafulani.com where we intend to promote our people and culture, and definately you will be availed with all sorts of hausa and fulani songs inclusive those by Shehu Usman Dan Fodio, Nana Asmau Fodio and my great grand father Abdullahi Ibn Fodio (Abdullahi Na Gwandu).
However, i also listen to and like music of all cultures, western, eastern, southern, name them all, believe me, i like them. May be it is my extensive experience with a world wide array of music (which you don't have) that makes me and my types critical of our hausa music which is in dire need of transformation and moving forward.
Let me share some thoughts with you Fulanicious. Do you know th contribution of Fulani culture to western hip hop culture? I hope you do. Otherwise relax and read:
a. The idea of men plating their hair existed with the fulani people long before any other identified grouping. This culture is what is now the in-thing here in the west.
b. Rap music long existed with the fulani (waka da kirari) and this is what is now in vogue in the western world.
c. Fulani mode of dressing, long trouser that is just by the anke is now popular in the west as examplified by Michael Jackson and others.
d. The culture of strapping a radio and moving about with it full blast about town has for time immemorial been a fulani culture. This is also now the vogue in the west.
I just gave you some tips of a research that is currently on about the contribution of the fulani culture to some current cultural trends in the western world. I hope to share with this forum the details of the research when it is completed.
In one of Dan Kwairo's song which he did for Alhaji Shehu Shagari, he said "Al-jannah mai masoya da yawa, wallahi kowa ya na son na kwarai". Simply put, what is good is always liked by everybody. So with music.
Finally, let me correct some insinuations you made about my citing of Sunny Ade and Lagbaja. If you note after their names i put etc etc. That means, my list was not exhaustive but also includes all other shades of music be it western, indian etc. It really pains me how we cannot improve on our own so we can pace.
Wassalaam, Na ku One and Only Dan-Sokoto alias Allura da Zare.
Salam D.Sokoto...brotha, i do know the contribution of Fulani culture to western hip hop culture...i brag bout it 24/7 to all my friends here.... ?Belive me, if i were in nija, i would have shelves upon shelves of fulani Music n thats for sizzle ?;D ?
. Already a friend is sending me some fulfulde music from Guinea...
That is the biggest disadvantage of not living in ur home land.....u get deprived of ur own culture ....since ?97% of people u mingle with dont share the same cultural background.
whatever man, atleast u dont see me walking around and trying to change the music ?::) ::) ::) ?
salam bro...n take care
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Mr.Abdullah............ ?open ur eyes a bit more and read my previous post again.. did i mention anythiNG specifically bout 2-pac????? i was talking ?generally about black/African music....
Gansta rap aint xactly my thing... Although in most of his songs, he talks sense.....talking bout injustice, discriminations etc.....
Why didnt u call out a rapper's name like Will Smith...a rapper that never curses...who i adore so much for his good examples.... 8) 8) 8)
U talking of Music History...which i know bout all too well....RUN DMC even collaborated wit Aerosmith....yes I know ?
yes ROCK originated from blacks...even my baby sister is aware of this...but whether u like it or not AT THIS VERY MOMENT it is not considered black music anymore.....85% of the world population will tell u this.....
Plus I rather go for ?2-Pac instead of ?any long pony-tailed hair, lipstick wearing, tight jeans wearing metal head!!!!!! ? ;)
Plusss due to living in the wierd corners of the world where fulani music aint available....I dont have any. I won't lie to u, i didnt know much bout my culture b4, but as i am growing older i am researching and trying to learn more bout my culture! plus ?my fulani music cds r on their way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Atleast i am trying to grab more of my culture and not running away from it or thinking somethin bout my culture is out- dated!!!
Look my oreo brotha....smell reality....hausa rock just doesnt seem right... its just like trying to mix water and oil.... i talked to about 15 people about this hausa rock...they all gave me this blank facial expression :-/...
plus ?i told u previously I aint mentioning nada bout religeon in this whole thing!!!
whatever man..hausa rock ...oooh bwoy ?...whats next??? Hausa Opera ???? ??? ???
whatever man, ur life, ur experiment....ur music...good luck
u seem to take things too seriously and personal.....
i didnt come here to ?beef wit nyone ::)
Assalaam Alaikum! Let me be sure we all know where we are coming from in order to postulate where we are going.
Firstly, my understanding is that, we all (Fulanicious, Abdallah, myself and all others) agree that, our local songs either hausa or fulani be sang in those languages? Correct.
But the point of divergence is that, while Abdallah and Dan-Sokoto strongly advocate the transformation and introduction of more modern instruments into such performances, Fulanicious and those who support her say NEY, we all stick to what we have inherited from our fore-fathers.
Ladies and Gentlemen, am i correct in my summary of our long standing discussion? If i am, thanks be to God mai komai mai komi.
For Fulanicious, i truly appreciate your dilemma of being far and away from home and will gladly offer my contribution of both hausa and fulfulde cds/cassettes to be forwarded to you through the administrator of kanoonline, while wishing you happy and successful listening. You have been a gallant contributor and i thank you for your insight which i greatly learnt from even though we disagree with each other. When next you are in Naija, we the miyatti allah of sokoto and gwandu gladly invite you to come and watch a typical fulani festival of sharo, and you will see our fulani combatants using most modern public address system to make their kirari laud and clear while the fluitters will also be blowing modern fluits ala Kenny G insha allah.
Thank you very much all.
For the Administrator Kanonline, grateful you please let me have your forwarding address to which i can fulfill my promise of sending hausa and fulfulde cds/cassettes for fulanicious.
Wassalaam Jama'atur Musulmina.
Dan-Sokoto
???
:'(
:-/
what happened to tha core issue ?
who wants to be in a rock band?
do u mean am gonna be a solo guy ?
no way man
ali hamza
Appreciated D.Sokoto...
LOL @ Ali Hamza...incase u need a vocalist I will be available ;D ;D ;D .........for a rock song, singing is quite simple, all i have to make sure is that I sing with a bad sore throat 8)
On a serious note, good luck man! :) :) :) 8) 8) 8)
peace..........
Sigh. And I thought this thing is going to whittle away. Well here we go again.
Let us get one thing right. The issue here is not whether it is right or wrong to like any genre of music or transmutate one genre into another. But whether anyone has a right to a CHOICE. I say I have a right to a choice of any music I like. Fulanicious says no, I don't have that right. That being a Black, Male, Muslim, Hausa, I must only, and only listen and appreciate Hausa Music. Fulanicious suggests that I am a freak for having a diverse and eclectic musical tastes. I suggest she is the looser because she has a narrow and restricted view of existence. But then there maybe hope for her, because soon she will grow up.
And as Dan-Sakkwato suggested, she lacks the patriotism she sprouts about. Perhaps it is cool to shout it out, but use convenient excuses to underplay it. Let me illustrate.
I once lived in Britain for six years. I can take you all those years to stores that sell Hausa music along Tottenham Court Road and Brixton. Similarly, I have lived in Berkely, California for a year. There are many record stores in the Bay Area that sell African and Hausa music. Living outside your homeland does not mean living outside your culture or that you are denied the right to practice your culture. If you go to Southall in London, you would swear that you were in Delhi because of the way the Indian community created its world. And what about the series of Chinatowns all over the world? You can create Hausatown if you want. All it requires is the will and not freebie shipments of CDs and tapes from "motherlan'"
So don't tell me you "can't get it because it ain't avaible here, but hey, hey, I love it anyhows, and must shove it down everybody's throat". You don't need to wait for a friend from Guinea or anywhere to send you CDs on Hausa, Fulfulde/Peul music. It is available right there on your doorsteps. You just don't want to look for it because you have no idea what it is to begin with.
Let us get another thing straight. No one is RUNNING AWAY from Hausa music. We are talking about making it more accessible to larger audience. And I have said this before in my previous posting, there are Hausa/Peul musicians who did combine more instruments in their music and still it came out right. Saadou's BORI has a track called HADIZA which is a brilliant lyrical combination of Hausa and Peul lyrics. Most of Ali Farka Toure's lyrics are peul; as are those of Oumou Sangare, Ina Baba Couly, Aichata Sidibe and Adama Yolomba. These are musicians that are well known, not only internationally, but in their homelands. In Nigeria, even non-Hausa have been using the Hausa language to create rock music. Zaki, a Tiv man has released his cassette with a fantastic track called YAN'UWAR KU BAR RAINA MATA. Funmi Adams, a Yoruba, has done a similar job with KOKI INA GIZON YAKE? The boundaries are shifting, the message remains the same.
And if you really want to be geneological, then a lot of the influences on Hausa music is not even Hausa. The only thing Hausa about it is the songs and the lyrics. Period. Most of the instruments were borrowed from other cultures. Fulanicious is suggesting it is wrong to borrow. And I say it is impossible because we have always been living in a globalized world.
Hausa opera? But we are still battling the hordes over Hausa rock music - so let us not complicate their lives by introducing Hausa Opera.
But come to think of it, why not? First, define what you mean by Opera - because it is clear people often come to these discussions ignorant of base meanings of concepts. But whatever your definition (and I have mine ready to share), then I argue Hausa Opera music EXISTS already. Do you know Muhammad Dahiru Daura? He is a blind "maroki" who sings (without any instrument, except his voice) in an operatic style about certain themes. These included BAYANIN NAIRA, BAYANIN WILLI, IDI WANZAMI (NA TASHAR GAGAWA), DIREBA MAKAHO. You remember him? Well his style of singing is DEFINITELY operatic due to its dramtic elements. No necessarily Pavorotti or Wagner. But still opera - following my definition of opera. And it is HAUSA! I have posted some of these at www.dandali.com and more are on the way.
And yes, Fulanicious, I take things very very seriously. See, I am serious person where my views are concerned. Maybe it is because I am an ageing hippy, and I have seen it all. But hey, c'est la vie. Each to his own temperament. And yes, I do understand you don't want to pick a beef with anyone. Neither am I. But you are sounding like a racist (even if you are not), and I don't like racism in any form.
Ali, back to the core issue. If you ever form that Hausa rock band, I would play the electric guitar, my favorite instrument. Yea, let's rock!Idris and the Ants, based in Kaduna, released a Hausa rock album called JIGIDA TA TSINKE sometimes in 1970s. Rock, on, man, rock on!!
Abdalla (the ageing hippy who still loves Motorhead, Twisted Sister, and Beethoven's Sympony no 9, Ode to Joy)
BTW, I am thinking of opening a Yahoo! group on Kade-kaden Hausa. I already own three such groups: Hausa da Hausawa, Littattafan Hausa, and Finafinan Hausa, the last of which is extremely popular. What do others on this board think? Particularly Ali Hamza, who gave me the idea?
adballa... u ever heard of summary???? :-/ and oh boi.. u need enblackment :P
hamza..... no no no no rock!!!!!!!! HIP HOP HIP HOP HIP HOP~!
lol@ fulanicious.. rock music truly has no talent... at least it stopped havin' one since james brown stopped singin' it...
Assalaam Alaikum,
Hmmm..now Ali, look what u have done(lol).
Abdalla...why bazan ce Subhanallah ba? I mean I don't see any reason dan MUSLIM shud waste his/her time on something that will not be beneficial to him in the hereafter and of all things music ma????? What is it we all want as muslims??? muna son mu bauta wa Allah kamar yadda yace muyi saboda mu samu lahirar mu da kyau. Yeah, I know we all have our weaknesses, but still instead or suggesting something good why suggest a rock band????
ok ok, hear this...who wants to start a da'awa group? ;D not even to go from house to house, on the Internet ma ya isa.
May Allah guide us onto the right path and may He make us see the light of Islam. Ameen
Ma'3ssalaamah
Are we getting religious now? Either we do music or we don't. But don't tell me music is haram in Islam. It is a contentious issue. During the time of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) there was music and musicians, as fully detailed in Surat Al-Shu'ara, which itself is poetically structured. When the Prophet migrated from Makka to Madina, he was welcomed by musicians.
Da'awah group? Why not. And on the internet? Masha Allah. Go to this link and see what has been done in this regard:
http://www.kanoonline.com/publications/islam_and_the_internet.htm
This was reposted by the Anglican Church at:
http://morgue.anglicansonline.org/020210/new_this_week.html
Try also
http://www.kanoonline.com/publications/suralikeit_phenomenon_on_the_int.htm
Now, my dear Ihsan, we are anxiously awaiting your contributions to Islam on the internet, especially on the website you have created on Islam, and the hundreds of articles you must have written, or about to write, on Islam and the internet. I am sure it will benefit the Muslim world.
And yo, Fyne Dyme Queen. I am a teacher. So I don't know the meaning of the word SUMMARY. They never teach us the meaning of that word in school. They say when you teach, you teach so that people know. That's why I talk alot. And I thought James Brown is still alive and kicking and that he is a "soul brother", to use his expression, not a "rock brother"
Abdalla (the ageing rocker who loves Motorhead, and, oh, you know that bit already, huh?)
Oh Lord of mercy here goes another Essay :D
Abdullah,
Fulanicious is the looser is she????????? Well dont know bout chu, but i dropped the winner-looser thing since when i was in like what???? second grade :D
Please get this right...i never said i am trying to stop u from what u wanna do.....i aint chainin u at all ..nOpE :)
Infact if u read my last posting well i did mention "GoOd LuCk", didnt I? So why r u saying that i am trying to stop u????? Who am I to do so?????????
This Forum is where people give out their ideas, share their ideas, contribute their ideas....either people support it, or don't or learn from it.....And I wasnt stopping ur idea, just speaking my mind out but NOT STOPPING U.... i cant stop u from what u want, i believe people have the rights to do what they want...(Allah gave us the free will, u know)...
You also said I could have asked for fulani tapes in US or London.....News flash, never lived there, those r just my vacation points...if again, u were reading my posts well...I said I lived in the wierd corners of the world....in other words where NO FULANI TAPES R TO BE FOUND :o :o :o MY POINT EXACTLY!!!
Brother, i lived in 6 different countries and been to over 25 countries..been exposed to countless traditions, cultures etc.... So "Narrow Minded" is the LAST THING u can ever call me.... :D.......
Just to let u know...RnB/Soul is my First Love in Music...Read my posts again, I never said "Hausa peeps listen to ONLY hausa music and yall Fulani Brothers, listen to only Fulfulde Music.." :o for some funny reason u saw it like that...
All I am sayin that I dont agree with u trying to evolute our own traditional music...Rock is an entirely different kind of music, trying to introduce that kind of music to hausa is just somethin else....And I didnt like the way u thought our Music is backwards....and that is why i talked about "Pride" in my earlier postings.....
Do whatever u wanna, but i promsie u, alot more than half of hausa population will not embrace ur idea. ReAlItY ChEcK PoInT!
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'Amora Ihsan, as alwayz u r 199% right...and ur idea is just sizzlin' , I am allllllllllll for it .......take care gurl
;)
May Allah Always guide us the right way:) Ameeen :)
Salamu Alaikum
well...... um...... james brown had a lil rock in his style...
kai... juss dont start any yeye rock music....and are u talkin' bout heavy metal....
sweetie...incase u havent noticed... rock music is noo longer in vouge....
try HIP HOP...RnB...Soul!!!... have our own version of gospel music....
ali....wheytin u say now?
Assalaam Alaikum Jama'atur Musulimina!
Kai kanawa ku na burge ni, kuma ku na ban shawa da mamaki! Where have i been all these years when you people have been enjoying yourselves on kanoonline?
At this juncture, i want to call for truce on this rock band topic which has been over flogged. Whatever, we wanted to achieve in this topic, to me has been achieved. So why don't we move forward? Fulanicious, Ihsan, Queen, Ali and the indefatigable Abdalla, and other memebers too numerous to mention, ALL of you well done. Me, Dan-Sokoto doff my hat for all of you, and call for a time out. Allah ya ba da lada.
Administrator kanoonline, thank you very much for the opportunity and i call upon you to please close this over flogged topic of hausa rock band, please and please. We have many other important issues begging for our attention. And for those other issues in the line for discussion - Queen, Ihsan what are they please?
Wassalaam
Dan Sakkwato
Your admonition noted. I have signed off. As you noted, it is beginning to get puerile, insulting and personal.
Incidentally, I am ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THIS BOARD.
The topic is ENDED on this board. At least from me. It continues on Kade-Kaden Hausa forum on Yahoo! groups. The CONCEPT of Hausa Rock music, also continues elsewhere.
Good luck to all of you in future.
Abdalla (with the usual signature)
Insulting and personal...hmmm...I see nothing of such.
Brother Abdalla...no, I have not written/developed such things but hopefully insha Allah I'm on my way. But come to think of it...I'd rather do all those things you mentioned than start a hausa "rock band"!!! Which I'm planning on doing idan Allah ya yarda. Better to teach our youngsters about our RELIGION than music which will not benefit them.
I don't mean to be rude or anything (cause ka girme ni) but to me it looks like you are the one who is doing the insult and getting personal...this thing all started as a joke :-/ (well, atleast to me) but now it has getting out of hand. Wallah I have nothing against music whatsoever, but as far as I am concerned, bazan sa kudi na sayi cassette/cd or whatever na kida ba...kowa da ra'ayinshi. If you want to start a rock band,FINE!!! I don't care...amma ai this board is opened to kowa domin mutum ya fadi what his/her opinion is akan topic of discussion...so I'm voicing out my opinion and nothing more. Anyway Allah ya kyauta.....my lips are :-X on this matter.
Shukran ya Ukhty...at least someone understands where I'm coming from. ;D
Sorry all...I really had to reply to that...if not, da bazan yi magana ba.
Ma'3ssalaamah.
SALAMU ALAIKUM..... WALLAH NIMA AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS A BIG TIME JOKE..... BUT THEN STARTED GETTING PERSONAL....
LORD OF MERCY,,, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK OUR MINDS OUT ..AND FOR JUST SPEAKING THE MIND OUT, SOMEONE GETS CALLED "NARROW MINDED" FOR WHAT??? WE ALL HAVE OUR DIFFERENT VIEWS AND CANT MAKE EVERYONE SEE THE WAY WE WANT,,,AND THAT AINT NO REASON TO GET PERSONAL....
ALLAH YA KIYAYE KAWAI!!!!
AIIGHT MOVING ON....NEXT TOPIC....
SUP IHSAN!!!!!!!!WARRAP DYME....BIG UPS KANOONLINE :D
:-/Assalamu alaikum,
As we all know hausa/fulani culture is inseparable with religion,thoough when talking about culture we usually put DEEEN aside,despite the fact that religion supercede culture traits,talking abauot rock music or whatsoever from the cultural angle we willagree with what mallam abdallah said,culture is dynamic and can change at any given time,in this whole world ,there's no culturre that hasn't got todo with borrowed culture,so for our own hausa/fulani culture to transform,i think iam on the supporting side.But abu daya da zan ce anna shine muyi kokari musan irin point din da zamu yi raising especially does girls there ;D ??? ;),in some cases suna sa jokes a cikin issues din amma nobody disturb them,so let them leave our dear men alone ,if they like what they want let them have it,kai dan sakkwato mai yasa kake da saurin saki sai kace ba jan namiji ba?ko sakkwatancin bai rasta kka bane.Allah ya bada sa'a
Ihsan! Ya isa mana. Like i said to you and Queen, i am waiting for the next topic, please. I all want us to learn from each other's experiences, knowledge, differences etc, and without loosing temper and focus. One thing i have learnt and come to admire about life, is ability to be a good listener without loosing temper at all.
But the fundamental issue before all of us, is the need to move our society forward which is in dire need of our contribution.
From my part, i promise ALL at least 2 new very very important topics in few days time.
So lets get ROLLING, Abdallah, Fulanicious, Ihsan, Fulani, Queen, Ali Hamaza, Amin, Salisu dan Yaro, and many many others too numerous to mention.
Wassalaam.
I said I signed off; but barbs kept being thrown here and there. So let me set the record straight so that people know why I reacted the way I did and what I meant.
In the spirit of lightheartedness, I replied to the posting on rock band and provided a wider platform for understanding the concept of Hausa rock music. That should have been it. I did not expect kudo; but then Fulanicious replied by saying, among other things:
"Obviously, coz ur not black at all........atleast ur taste isnt...." (this is A DIRECT QUOTE FROM HER POSTING).
To me, this sentence is JUDGEMENTAL. It suggests that by liking rock music, I am not black. Also by having a non-black taste, I don't know my own taste. I argue that no one has the right to judge me based on my tastes or but on the LOGIC or FALLACY of my arguments.
And if I seem pedantic in my presentations, that is my vocation. Remember, as I told you, I am a teacher. And we talk alot.
Abdalla
Salamu alaikum.......:):):) Jarama!!!!!!!!!
Abdullah, Now a days, Rock Music, for some strong reasons(which i am not in the mood to get into) isnt considered black music....that is sooooooooooo tru.....
lool i aint a racist, just luv anything to do with blacks too much ;D...but bro, do whatever u wanna...i am not here to beef, just here to share and learn from others :).......and i'mma do what D.Sokoto suggested
Salamu alaikum....:):):)
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FulaniOuSlLyyyy FuLanIcIoUs
Assalaam Alaikum,
Dan Sokoto, ni kam nayi shiru...ai kaga ma daga karshe nace ayi hakuri dole ce tasa nayi replying.
Shukran, muna nan muna jiran topics din naka ;D
A huta lafiya
Ma'3ssalaamah.
Salaam All members!
It has ben an exciting discourse over the last few days. Though we had our different opinions, expression of such opinions was courteous, respectful and all said and done educative. But everybody should note, disagreement in opinions is only natural since we are human beings. However, the important thing to always adhere to, is to respect other opposing points of view no matter how un-palatable they may be.
I want on behalf of myself (do i say and Sakwakwatawa?), to express my sincere thanks and appreciation to all those who contributed including the numerous visitors who only followed the proceedings but did not contribute.
Though it has been one hell of a contentious topic, through our collective determination we persevered, over-came and forged ahead. Well, HausaFulani, that is how it is supposed to be. Always stick together (mazan ku da matanku) and insha allah you will always triumph.
On this note i want to hereby CLOSE this topic.
Wassalaam - Dan Sokoto
Assalamu alaikum,
As requested by many people, this topic is going to be closed. Thanks to everybody for their comments, informative and lively discussions. You may continue along the same theme of this topic HERE (http://www.kanoonline.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=hausa-music)
Kano Online Forum Team!