"However, Action Congress (AC) governorship aspirant in Lagos, Babatunde Fashola, has said the placing of Kano on top of the list will be challenged.
He argued during a visit to the headquarters of Independent Newspapers Limited in Lagos on Tuesday that the calculation defies common sense.
The population of Lagos had been projected at over 15 million by the state government and international agencies, including the World Bank.
Besides, Kano and Lagos were neck and neck in terms of population before Jigawa was carved out of Kano.
Said Fashola: "I think the jury would remain out for a long time on this figure. They do not accord with logic. By nature, all animals move towards water. We would look at the figures in terms of where the nine million people are, how much refuse is Kano generating; because when people live in an area, they produce refuse. We are generating 10,000 tonnes of refuse per day. I hope they can justify the same figure for Kano.
"Where is the vehicular density in Kano? Where are these nine million people? We have a vehicular density of 222 vehicles per kilometre. The national average, and that must include Kano, is 11 vehicles per kilometre. These figures do not accord with common sense.
"If Kano has nine million people, where are the businesses in the state? Population is a market. Why is everybody migrating to Lagos? Let us take the pro rated statistics of all the ethnic nationalities in Lagos and measure them against the ethnic nationalities in Kano. There are more Ibo men in Lagos, more Yoruba, and there are as many Hausa men in Lagos, Tiv, Idoma and other ethnic nationalities.
"Then, what is the school population? Do these nine million not have children? What is the school density? How many hospitals do they have there? What is the outpatient and inpatient number? These are the parameters with which these figures must be reconciled. Otherwise they are not tenable.
"We will challenge this figure with the data that we have as we go forward. Census is like an account. And, in my profession, when accounts are rendered, there must be opportunities to falsify and surcharge them and challenge them.
"We would subject them to very fair and necessary test, and I think the legislation under which the exercise was done also anticipate that all of these would happen. These figures cannot be absolute without challenge – and all of these would, hopefully, be dealt with as we move along."
culled from www.independentngonline.com 10/01/2007
This is laughable,please who can demolish this chap's argument?
On a serious note, this result has some kind of "abracadabra" to it. The old Kano state comprising Jigawa had about the same population with Lagos at about 5 million using the 1991 census data. With an exponential growth rate of 3.5% for kano(present kano) and 3.2% for Lagos, there is no way Kano state would surpass Lagos. Unless if it is the 1991 census that had problems
Any statistician out there please?
Why are u asking someone to demolish this guy's statements when u are in agreement with them? Doesnt make sense.
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"there is no way Kano state would surpass Lagos. Unless if it is the 1991 census that had problems
Any statistician out there please?"
Unquote.
Anyway, I had my doubts about the whole census exercise from its very beginnings. It had the same rocky ride as this voters registration card fiasco is undergoing at the moment. I dont have any confidence in the census results. Lol more men than women in Nigeria.... what bull!
u didn't get me right. it is as follows
1) if the basis of Lagos having greater population than Kano is as laid out by the AC candidate, then he has no locus at all. Absolute bunkum
2) the data is inconsistent with itself as far as i can tell
3) if there is any expert out there, he should help shed some light on the apparent data inconsistency.
Q.e.d
In reference to alkanawi, here's the jerk that keeps complaining of me posting "somebody else's" idea on the forum for discussion. I wonder what give him the impression that the articles belong to someone else. In anycase, the hypocrite turns around, cuts and pastes another writer's report on this forum and then wants people to discuss it. What a retard!!!!!!
My dear NewEte
Quote from: NewEte on January 10, 2007, 07:18:19 PM
... I wonder what give him the impression that the articles belong to someone else.
correctionsi wonder what
gives him the impression...................
Quote from: NewEte on January 10, 2007, 07:18:19 PM
In anycase, the hypocrite turns around, cuts and pastes another writer's report on this forum and then wants people to discuss it. What a retard!!!!!!
correctioncut and paste's, it is a phrase." Writers' "
you are gradually improving NewEte, keep it up
And please no plagiarism, always ensure you adequately reference all all your posts
thank you
You are astonishingly stupid. There is no question about that.
At last two good sentences and without a single mistake!!!!!!!!
It reinforces the maxim, "never loose hope........
good work NewEte, infact excellent.
You are welcome, jerk. ;D
well after some more research,i found out that the data is consistent with that of the 1991 result.Kano state( as presently constituted) had 5,810,470 people which is some 85,000 people more than Lagos according to the 1991 figures. My mistake was including Jigawa state in arriving at the 1991 result.
source:www.onlinenigeria.com/population
NB: The computation apppears to be a bit dodgy though
Basing population census demographics on relative density from one region to another is rather meaningless, since the density is a function of the number of ppl living in the area and the size of the area. Therefore on closer inspection, some of the arguments presented by Babalola Fashola are not sound.. e.g the vehicular density in Lagos as opposed to Kano and the rubbish generation... 10,000 tonnes daily!! lol what a dump if it is true!!
Fashola also asks if the nine million living in Kano have kids. His question implies that only the adult populations were counted. Therefore Kano should in effect have more than 9 million if people below a certain age have been neglected in the enumerations. School density, number of hospitals, inpatient and outpatient figures are parameters which indicate the effective allocation of such services in an area. It doesnt mean that if you have a high inpatient outpatient statistic, that there are more ppl in that area. It just means that there is a serious lack of efficacy in the way the government allocates infrastructures and services, or there is an epidemic outbreak (not surprising with 10,000 tonnes of refuse a day). Same goes for schools. Whilst a high cluster of schools in a specific area is good news, a very high number of pupils per sch is indicative of poor management and allocation of facilities on the part of the govt.
Still, I think that Kano state may well have nine million or close to that figure, but at the same time, Lagos must definitely have a higher population figure. It was a capital city and it is still a port city and like Fashola says, has a high multi ethnic population. Kano also has a high multi ethnic populatioin of ppl mainly from other parts of northern Nigeria as well as a sizeable number of Yoruba and Igbo speaking non indigenes.
It is more appropriate to allocate the residual 85,000 people to Lagos state rather than Kano, since the whole census exercise must have been a computer generated statistical projection of the 1991 census, and not a very real ground truth fact finding mission.
NewEte
We (KanoOnline Forum) do not condone you or any other member calling another with such words (jerk & stupid) as you used to refer to alkanawi. Therefore I am going to remove those posts as indicated in our Forum rules.
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 11, 2007, 05:47:46 AM
Still, I think that Kano state may well have nine million or close to that figure, but at the same time, Lagos must definitely have a higher population figure. It was a capital city and it is still a port city and like Fashola says, has a high multi ethnic population. Kano also has a high multi ethnic populatioin of ppl mainly from other parts of northern Nigeria as well as a sizeable number of Yoruba and Igbo speaking non indigenes.
It is more appropriate to allocate the residual 85,000 people to Lagos state rather than Kano, since the whole census exercise must have been a computer generated statistical projection of the 1991 census, and not a very real ground truth fact finding mission.
I just dunno, but why do you think that the residual 85,000 people should just be added to Lagos just like that even when the facts do not point to that direction? Though Lagos was a Capital City we mustn't forget the truth that it only WAS. And taking the Capital City from Lagos must necessarily have taken large chunk of its population from there to Abuja or elsewhere, considering the fact that it being the Capital City was in the first place responsible for its dense population from the very onset. Again, remember how the headquarters of many oil companies and related businesses moved from Lagos to the Niger-Delta region during some good interval of Nigeria's history.
Finally, I think the census in all did not catch the true figures of Nigeria's population. But the annual growth rate may have been caught accurately but the number of Northerners or even KANOoers should have been more. In reality, every average Muslim Kano man of about 40 yrs of age you meet is doubled his age mate from the mainly Christian South in family size, that is, wife(ves) and children. The same applies to Northern Muslims and Southern Christians.
Quote from: admin on January 11, 2007, 11:59:54 AM
NewEte
We (KanoOnline Forum) do not condone you or any other member calling another with such words (jerk & stupid) as you used to refer to alkanawi. Therefore I am going to remove those posts as indicated in our Forum rules.
Adimn, I Suppose
alkanawi is good at the game of handling Ete in a way we previously could not. Perharps we can allow them a field day. If
alkanawi doesn't get exausted, he can cut him to size and get him restored to order.
For some reason I can't help being thoroughly amused by this news. I laughed all morning today thinking about it. ;D ;D ;D
Meanwhile it seems that Lagos has flatly rejected the results.
Lagos rejects census figures
The Lagos State Government has rejected the results of the 2006 National Population Census figure allotted to Lagos, stating that the Lagos State's population is more than the figure released by the National Population Commission.The state Commissioner for Special Duties and Intergovernmental Relations, Chief Dele Ajomole said this on Wednesday in a telephone conversation. The Federal Government had on Tuesday approved 140 million as the total population of people living in Nigeria out of which Lagos State had 9,013,634.However, Ajomole stated that the figure allotted to Lagos State was smaller compared to what the state government had enumerated, adding that the government outrightly rejected it. The commissioner said that the state was able to enumerate 4.9 million houses during the census with at least three people living in each of the houses." If three people live in a house and we have 4.9 million houses, definitely the population will be about 13 million. Definitely the NPC's results cannot be right. We reject it," he said. Ajomole explained that there were houses where more than 10 people live in but that he had estimated it to be three so as not to exaggerate the figure.
BTW admin,
I applaud your attempts to moderate discussion and remove inflammatory remarks; however if words like 'stupid' and 'jerk' are out of order, then you might have a lot of work on your hands in order to maintain consistency. I've already noticed Husnaa on another thread calling Ete a zombie; surely that cannot be acceptable now. Left to me I'd let sleeping dogs lie.
lionger,
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and please let it be known that Husnaa calling Ete a zombie on another thread; is surely not acceptable now. As for letting sleeping dogs lie, I rather not allow any dog into KanoOnline Forum let alone letting it lie. As a matter of fact, I am considering a Board or at least a Thread where personal abuses such as these will be reported thereby allowing us to take proper and prompt action as soon as our Forum rules are broken.
Good Grief! So Zombie is an insulting word? I had no idea. I used the term in the sense of one being under someone's hypnotizing influence with no thought processes of one's own.. rather than the dead walking ghoul usually associated with the physical appearance of the zombie.
In as much as I resent Ete's confrontational attitude on this board, I am trying to dignify my interactions with him by not having a mudslinging match with him. I think that is a way to project a mature and responsible attitude. Obviously there are other ways of doing so, as Waziri has pointed out with respect to Alkanawi and Ete's running feud, and yes, maybe Alkanawi can handle Ete better than anyone of us can, infact in terms of a razor sharp wit, I am compelled to admire Alkanawi's approach, and I found it extremely entertaining reading the exchanges between these two gentlemen. However, that is not my way, and I feel as a woman, I cant allow a stranger to insult me over the net. It is totally degrading, that is why I would rather use kid gloves (Handle With Care) where Ete is concerned. So my apologies to Ete if he feels insulted, cos I am certainly not out here looking to trade insults with anyone.
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 12, 2007, 06:11:51 AMSo my apologies to Ete if he feels insulted, cos I am certainly not out here looking to trade insults with anyone.
What else can i add? You have spoken like a true lady. May Allah bless
Quote from: admin on January 11, 2007, 07:11:52 PM
... I rather not allow any dog into KanoOnline Forum let alone letting it lie.
As for you Mr Admin,i have instructed my lawyers to file charges against you for trying to deprive some "forumites" of having access to dogs. At least if not for anything, they need dogs for their peppersoup dishes.
You would be served with your "sammaci" in due course
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Mutley is laughing at yr peppersoup joke....lol
Mutley has such an irrepressible sense of humor, always laughing 24/7
kin gano inda muka dosa kenan.......
Let me start by thanking Allah. I'm back very well on my feet. And I'm back to Kanoonline.
Husnaa, I don't know much has happened as wonderfully as that as we got a very brave member that can deal appropriately with 'those' members like .... ???. Alkanawi really sound great and wonderfull. Keep it up. We are beside you, supporting you to........LOL ;D
I'll soon come with my thought on this thread's topic.
More grease to your elbow.
I would like to seek your opinion on how you think the census figures could be manipulated.I bet the NPC is filled up with Kano people.
I think someone once posted that the first population survey/census done by Britain before independence was actually tampered with in favour of the north.Now that the census has been conducted under the leadership of a non northerner,some people, out of jealousy or superiority complex :P still cannot believe.
I remember Tanko Yakasai's response to a southern(Yoruba) brother regarding the northern population being more than the south.He pointed out that he(Yakasai) is from a polygamous family and practises polygamy whereas his southern brother is from a monogamous family and practices monogamy.The answer was a kind of 'debate answer' where you try to shut the mouth of the co-debator.
So far,prior to the release of the census results,i have not come across any report that expressed disapproval over the manner and genuity of the census exercise.This was an exercise where the returning officers posted to north came from the south and vice versa,an exercise funded and supervised by the EU and united nations development programme.I remember vividly the one week program aired on freedom radio(kano) where they called live some of the returning officers all over the contry to get a first hand information on the conduct of the exercise,their response was that the exercise was accurate.
Why is it that Nigerians always have a culture of not believing in any major exercise carried out by Nigerians?Maybe we should invite the united nations or the united states to come and line us up together and take a head count.Or maybe they should smoke us out from our houses and while we are out quickly snap us with their satellites up in the sky or google earth(where's middlesbelt sef?)
Anyways,whether they believe or not the government has no option but to agree with the figures.Let them wait another ten years for another census.Let the lagosians continue to have the superior complex that they produce waste worth 10000 tonnes(ba dole ba masu kashi a leda cos ba ban daki).
GGNK, history has said it, when you talk of illiteracy, the norther is being seen as topping chart, but Wallahi Tallahi, illiteracy is seriously misunderstood by the west, du su suka bata abin. Since time immemorial our people can 100% read and write, just take a look at the works of the like of Shehu Usman Dan Fodio, how could you assert that such a people are illiterate. That is what they want to portray us.
Infact there is a survey (I cant remember the source, i think it was conducted by NTA) that the level of awareness compared between the north and south is uncomparable, because an average norther must listen to the news thrice in every 24 hours.
While the southerner laugh at us because we use to hold a mobile radio all the time, the benefits we drive from listening to the radio are enormous:-
During elections, our people get aware easily through the radio, that is why we beat them.
During census, the same thing
Just think of any other national issue, before 10 southerners will hear, 100 notherners have already transmitted the information into their houses.
So, GGNK, let them continue assuming the inferiority, while gradually we beat them hands-down.
Information is power, we get informed and hold the power!!!!!
Admin, thanks for finally calling certain people to order. I was beginning to think this was biased forum. In respect to thos who wish to handle Ete with kids gloves, I'll do the same to them. I want to make it categoricall clear however that I have no problem at all taking on anyone or a bunch of folks when the lines are drawn. So to those 'mature' women doing strangers a favor by using kids glove approach as they call it, please don't get of yourselves. :D
Rest assured admin, I'll abide by your rules. Let's just others, including the sarcastic ones, will have the decency to abide by the rules as well.
Kudos Ete, i really enjoyed your submission this afternoon, please lets forget and carry on another issue.