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Title: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: bamalli on February 27, 2008, 01:43:57 PM
Ruling on a Muslim entering a church

Question:
What is the ruling on a Muslim entering a church to listen to a lecture that is being given there?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Entering churches for meetings and to listen to lectures is not free of a number of haraam things.

The scholars differed concerning the ruling on a Muslim entering a church in the first place. There are a number of opinions:

1-

That it is haraam. This is the view of the Hanafis and Shaafa'is, but the Shaafa'is limit the prohibition to churches in which there are images, as it says in Tuhfat al-Muhtaaj (2/424), Nihaayat al-Muhtaaj (2/63) and Haashiyata Qalyoobi wa 'Umayrah 'ala Sharh al-Muhalla (4/236).

The Hanafis regard it as haraam in all cases, and they gave as their reason the fact that they are abodes of the devils, as the Hanafi Ibn Nujaym said in al-Bahr al-Raa'iq (7/364) and in Haashiyat Ibn 'Aabideen (2/43).

2-

That it is makrooh. This is the view of the Hanbalis, but some of them limited this to churches in which there are images. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Kubra (5/327): The view which most of our companions hold is that it is makrooh to enter churches in which there are images, and this is the correct view concerning which there can be no doubt. End quote.

See: al-Furoo' (5/308), al-Adaab al-Shar'iyyah (3/415) and al-Insaaf (1/496).

They quoted the following as evidence: 

(i)

It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw images in the Ka'bah and he did not enter until he had ordered that they be erased. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3352).

(ii)

It was narrated that Ibn 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: Jibreel promised to come to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) but he was late and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) grew concerned. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out and saw him, and he told him of his concern and he said to him: "We [angels] do not enter a house in which there is an image or a dog." Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5960).

(iii)

It was narrated that Aslam the freed slave of 'Umar said: When 'Umar went to Syria, one of the leaders of the Christians made food for him and called him. 'Umar said: We will not enter your churches because of the images that are in them – meaning the statues. Narrated by 'Abd al-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf (1/411 and 10/398).

3 – The third view is that it is permissible to enter churches in general. This is the view of the Hanbalis, as it says in al-Mughni (8/113) and al-Insaaf (1/496).

It is also the view of Ibn Hazm al-Zaahiri as it says in al-Muhalla (1/400).

They quoted the following as evidence:

(i)

What was narrated about the conditions stipulated by 'Umar to the people of the Book to expand their churches and monasteries so that the Muslims could enter them to spend the night or pass through them.

Al-Mughni (8/113).

(ii)

Ibn 'Aa'idh narrated in Futooh al-Shaam that when 'Umar came to Syria, the Christians made food for him and called him, and he said: Where is it? They said: In the church, and he refused to go. He said to 'Ali: Take the people to eat lunch. So 'Ali took the people and entered the church, and he and the people ate lunch, and 'Ali looked at the images and said: What would be wrong if the Ameer al-Mu'mineen entered this place? 

Al-Mughni (8/113).

By studying the evidence quoted above, it does not seem that there is any clear evidence that it is haraam to enter churches. The fact that there are images and statues in them or any other place does not mean that it is haraam to enter it. The sin is on the makers of the images and those who make the statues; the one who enters a place where those statues are should advise and explain, but he does not have to leave that place.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to entering a house in which there is an image, it is not haraam. Rather it is permissible to refuse an invitation because of it as a rebuke to the host and to show that he has lost respect because of his introducing something evil into his house. The one who sees it in the host's house does not have to leave, according to the apparent meaning of Ahmad's words. He said, according to the report of al-Fadl: If he sees an image on the curtain that he did not see when he entered, that is less serious than if it was on the wall. It was said: If he did not see it until the food was placed before them, should he leave? He said: Do not make things too difficult for us; but if he sees it he should rebuke them and tell them not to do that. End quote.

Al-Mughni (8/113)

But at least it is makrooh to enter churches unnecessarily, because the fact that the angels and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not enter the house in which there were images indicates that it is makrooh.

Moreover this being makrooh may reach the level of being haraam if entering the church will lead to any bad consequences such as if it means approving of the Christians' shirk and their claim that Allaah has a wife and son, exalted be Allaah far above that. Or if entering the church is a sign of taking the Christians as friends and loving them, and so on.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (2/115):

If your going to the church is just to show tolerance and lenience, then it is not permissible, but if it is done to call them to Islam and create opportunities for you to do so, and you will not be taking part in their worship and you are not afraid that you may be influenced by their beliefs or customs, then it is permissible. End quote.



And Allaah knows best.
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: _Waziri_ on February 27, 2008, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: bamalli on February 27, 2008, 01:43:57 PM

If your going to the church is just to show tolerance and lenience, then it is not permissible, but if it is done to call them to Islam and create opportunities for you to do so, and you will not be taking part in their worship and you are not afraid that you may be influenced by their beliefs or customs, then it is permissible. End quote.

And Allaah knows best.


Yes actually, Allah knows best, but showing lenience and tolerance maybe another way of making effective Da'awah. Perhaps we can say  it is just permissible to enter a church.


Allah knows best.

I still remember how years back some lady course mate of ours got married and we went to the church during her send forth. My other classmate who happens to be a Muslim was to take a gulf from a bottle of juice during the refreshment session when the Pastor was praying for the bride, saying "IN JESUS NAME!!!", in time my friend was belching from the gulf, he joined the chorus, "AMEN!!!"

Till today we still pull his leg with the clause, "IN JESUS NAME!!"     
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: HUSNAA on February 27, 2008, 08:24:09 PM
lol that was funny Waziri.  ;D
I have been into a few churches myself in my teenage hood. One time out of curiosity, I attended a late night christmas mass... u know singing and all that. It was quite fun! But that was all it was. Then several other times, I attended functions  like shows and things like that at Coventry Cathedral. That is the sum extent of my forays into churches. Anyway a lokacin, rashin sani ne about the islamic rulings... Yawanci its the magnificent gothic architecture that attracts me to these churches, ko da yake coventry is very modern and was rebuilt after it was bombed in the second world war. I saw a program on the Cathedral of Chartres in France and I thought to myself that it might be worth a visit duk randa Allah Ya bani damar travelling to France.. now with this, well maybe I will not, but I am interested in the architectural design that is all and the stained windows which are supposed to have a type of blue stain which has never been reproduced ever since the church was finished some 700 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: precious on March 01, 2008, 05:00:33 PM
God forgive me.I was just telling a relative last week that when ever he travels he should visit churches to see architectural wonders.I myself have been to a few,including some 700+ year old churches.I just went there because the architecture 700 years ago was soo advanced that I kept wondering what Africans were doing during that time.

Now I have to tell him not to visit churches.
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: sheriff 05 on March 01, 2008, 11:38:05 PM
Does the ruling extend to going there to study their architectural, structural and technical designs? as well as aesthetic detailings?.. Considering this has nothing to do with religion or any festivities, does the fatwa prohibit this? I ask because being partly an Architect (or previously being one anyway), I have been for a time now drawn strongly to grand historical gothic style buildings, along with the cultural, economical and political contexts sorrounding their conception and eventual construction. Most of them happen to be Palaces, Museums, Churches and Cathedrals. I have seen and studied a few and plan to do more over time, but this has made me uneasy. So abeg Jama'a, any answers?
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: HUSNAA on March 02, 2008, 06:34:30 AM
Well its good to know that one is not a freak.. I was beginning to feel like one. Thanks Precious, Sheriff... Iam not alone in my liking for gothic architecture as a non westerner non caucasian and a muslim.
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: _Waziri_ on March 06, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
Gaskiya kam dai, I think there is need for 'yar karamar dabara' you know it was thru such 'dabaru' that Sheik Yusuf Qaradawi got us some cool way of listening to music, without incurring Allah's wrath. So also Dr. Ahmad Gumi who did it on pictures and images that do not cast shadows, some two years back.

So now I will begin by suggesting we should re-read the article posted by Sheik Bamalli here to see if there is anything we can drop after all the last paragraph of the essay says:

"
If your going to the church is just to show tolerance and lenience, then it is not permissible, but if it is done to call them to Islam and create opportunities for you to do so, and you will not be taking part in their worship and you are not afraid that you may be influenced by their beliefs or customs, then it is permissible."


It is like everything boils down to the intentions of those going to the Church and in that perhaps we should add that one can go there in search of some rare knowledge. I just dunno.. but Hajiya Husnaa what happened to that your strong analytical prowess, it is clearly needed here.  :)
Title: Re: Ruling on a Muslim entering a church
Post by: King on March 06, 2008, 09:56:02 PM
How can one be a freak for venturing into church buildings or for their interest in architecture? I too am very drawn to Gothic Cathedrals and to the theme sorrounding that era. There is a rich flambouyant history that marks the changes that most of Western Europe experienced during the era when most of those masterpieces were built. This is why centuries after their construction, those buildings still hold people in awe. I was in Montreal, Canada, recently, and made sure I visited the Notradame Cathedral and it was just spectacular. The inside of it is something else. They even have shows and a documentary session so that visitors get the full picture of its history. I think France, Czech Republic, Italy, Austria, etc have a whole lot more of these magnificent structures.

I think it is important to explore and broaden ones horizon on these interests.