What is the REAL situation. After all he is OUR president and we need to know even as we pray for his well being.
Only Kano, GamboT? You have narrowed your question. LOL ;D
BTW, welcome on board!
Truly people are afraid of a hidden conspiracy regarding Pres. Umaru Musa Yar'adua's health.
Many believe that it was a calculated thing by Obasanjo and the PDP to give power to the NIger Delta so as to supress their grievances over derivation. They decided to pick Yar'adua,a sick person, because in thier own thoughts,he cannot hold the office effectively. When the worst happens and he dies then Jonathan Goodluck becomes president.As simple as that. Rumours even have it that Jonathan Goodluck has already written some prominent Northern elders to nominate a running mate when he becomes president.
Yar'adua has been diagnosed with the Churg-Straus syndrome, an rare disease that causes severe allergic reactions and asthma.It also affects the vitality of major organs like the Kidney,Liver and Heart.
The disease has three stages and can be suppressed/controlled at its early stages.
Really Yar'adua's health might pose a threat to the effective running of his government because most people see him as a sick person ready to die at any moment.Some even carry rumuors that he has been advised by his doctors not to work for more than 3 hrs and not to speak for more than 10 minutes.An advise he seems to be taking seriously.
My own opinion is Allah ne yake bada lafiya.If they did it in bad faith then Allah zai ba su mamaki.Haka kuma idan suna ganin wayon su ne zai saka suyi nasara then su tsaya su gani.Idan dukkan duniya suka taru zasu cutar da mutum kuma Allah bai yi ba to hakika babu abin da zai sami wannan mutum,haka kuma idan dukkan duniya ta taru domin ta kare wani mutum kuma Allah bai yi ba to babu abin da za su iya yi.
Allah ya kara wa shugaban kasa lafiya da kuzari da zai tafiyar da mulkin lafiya tare da kawo wa Nigeria ci gaba na Alheri.
the last time i heard a group of gentlemen arguing
about this yar'adua of a thing - i am fade up, especially
when a biased northerner is saying that he would'nt
want Goodluck to take over in case our President becomes
incapacitated to continue.
Nigeria belongs to all Nigerians and every section of this
country can rule Nigeria. Nigeria is not only for us the
the Northerners. By the way, we have witnessed series
of northerners tenure in presidency, what have they been
able to change in the north?
The eight (8) years of Obasanjo as the president of Nigeria
we have witnessed series of development in his region where
he came from neglecting the entire north and the south south
in his sharing of the national cake.
In case my servant-leader collapses and becomes incapacitated
we have no option than to abide by the supreme constitution and
we are solidly behind whoever climbs the mantle of the leadership
because, as a Muslim, i have been made to understand that only
God gives power and to Him alone all powers belong.
A good principle you have DB,however the politics is far more than that.
Abin takaicin shine wasa da hankalin jama'a da wasu few mutane suke.
No doubt as a true nigerian patriot you have to give allegiance to whoever becomes president,however what are the likely consequences.If you decide to be loyal,how many people will follow suit?The issue will be severely politicised and the ruthless politicians will use it as a tool to further stall any development.
If i could recall clearly,Obasanjo in one of his interviews said that he opted for the North/South(Yar'adua/Goodluck) ticket because the north was hell bent on taking power and that the PDP was afraid that fielding a southern candidate could tantamount to PDP losing the presidency,a situation the ruling party could not stand.
Politically, what they did is a good move: get a sick Northerner who's ready to kick the bucket anytime.This will ease the tension and seal the mouths of the northerners.After some days/months he dies and power now goes to the south (Niger delta),which is a good way to either silence the militants or empower them.The northerners of course will accept it as a will of God (from their religious background) and it will take them the end of the tenure planning on how to recapture the seat.
Ingeniuos,killing two birds with one stone.
Shegu PDP,iyayen magudi 8)
On the contrary Gogonnaka, I agree with Dan Borno's viewpoints. Nigeria belongs to everyone, every ethnic group, every religious sect represented, every man, woman, and child that is of Nigerian origin. This is why I laugh so much when I read in Nigerian News that "the stake holders in Nigeria held a meeting..". How ridiculous? Is every single Nigerian not a stakeholder?
It is the lack of desire to do things the right and fair way in the first place that has put us in our current predicament. Look, when your mindset is riddled with biase and you want to hold onto something while denying others a fair share of participation, you are piling up trouble for yourself. Isn't this why Africa is such a lost continent? We have leaders that hold onto power for decades while suppressing any possibility of change. We have ethnic groups in Africa that cling onto power in their respective countries while keeping all others at bay. what happens in most of these cases is complete stagnation, degradation of that society, and worst case scenario, war. We have quite a few in African, even very close to home.
Like Dan Borno said, the country does not belong to the north, or to the West either. Many people have used this sick power rotation arrangement between North and the West to destroy the country in every imaginable way. GG, what do you mean by..."if you decide to be loyal, how many people will follow you?". What sort of defeatist mentality is that? So your theory is, because we don't know how many people might follow, we should abandon loyalty? Does that make any sense? Why not be loyal, which is the right thing to do anyhow, and by so doing, lead by example so others can follow. The current lunacy we see in Nigeria, isn't it indicative of the example that leadership has set?
Here you are talking about Obasanjo favoritism to his people during his tenure. I read the other day in the Nigeria world website where a high ranking northern power broker stated in an interview that they (northern elite) arranged for Obasanjo to become president thinking that he would serve their interest. They could careless about National interest. So sad for them Obasanjo sailed through as arranged and then became a thorn in their flesh while turning everything upside down for all others. The question is, where has all this political games and scheming gotten us? Are we better off than we were 40 years ago? Is the life of an average Nigerian any better today than it was say 10 years ago? If anything it has gotten worse because of a lack of honest desire to do the right thing.
Power shift between the north and West isn't the solution. It has cost Nigeria immensely and quite honestly, the north and West ought to be excluded from National leadership for sometime so other people with a degree of vision and purpose can pick up the pieces and chart a different course for the nation.
The argument that Yar-Adua is sick and that everything sorrounding his presidency was a conspiracy, etc, is pointless. Yar Adua knew about his medical condition prior to becoming the PDP nominee. He was well aware of his limitations and should never have accepted the job because of the strain it would put on his health. That is just common sense. But that aside, before the election, several governors launched their campaign bid, spent unaccountable sums of money on the campaign trail, and then so suddenly, they were muscled into ending their campaign run at the Party's convention just to 'pave' way for Yar-Adua. That single move damages the entire democratic process.
If Yar-Adua had been on the ballot like everyone else, and won free and square in the party election, then that would have been awesome. That would have given so much credibility to the system. But when the democratic process in constantly circumvented so a desire outcome can be attained, it shows how ignorant and unserious we are about change. You've got to allow the system work. You've got to enforce rules and allow the system correct itself by safeguarding the process. We continually break laws, interfere, and throw stumbling blocks all over the place thinking we are being politically crafty or smart. We are the dumbest people and we don't even know it.
IBB did the same thing to deny Chief Abiola an election he won free and square. When Nigerians went to the polls for the third republic, the Yorubas and the West clearly did not want Obasanjo anywhere close to power because they knew he wasn't an element of change that Nigeria needed. It seemed like everyone was ready to move in a different direction for once, but certain people went to work and shoved Obasanjo down the throats of Nigeria. Now those same people are all over the media expressing their regret. They ought to be arrested and thrown in jail for life because their irresponsible action and criminal interference in a political and democratic process has cost Nigerians untold hardship.
Here is what you said GG,
"Politically, what they did is a good move: get a sick Northerner who's ready to kick the bucket anytime.This will ease the tension and seal the mouths of the northerners.After some days/months he dies and power now goes to the south (Niger delta),which is a good way to either silence the militants or empower them.The northerners of course will accept it as a will of God (from their religious background) and it will take them the end of the tenure planning on how to recapture the seat.
Ingeniuos,killing two birds with one stone.
Shegu PDP,iyayen magudi Cool"
Wow! Sounds like a gigantic conspiracy. If this is indeed the plan, how did we become this way? If national interest and love of country was the foremost ideal in people's mind, will this be our mindset? If fairness was mantra as Dan Borno pointed out, will we be dealing with Niger-Delta militant issue? The militants say they are marginalized, that their region is where the wealth of the nation is, yet they live in the most horrible conditions. Their communities are being polluted without any compensation, their young men are unemployed, they lack the basic necessities, etc. Some of the states that make up the Niger-Delta requested for an increased derivation, and the northern politicians blocked the demands. As a matter of fact, they wanted to set the cap on derivation meanwhile this resource does not come from their own neck of the woods. Do you not find that strange?
I admonish you open your mind and get on board with Dan Borno. He has the right mindset here, and only that kind of mindset can help us move forward and break down walls of division and mistrust that we all carry in our hearts.
Thanks.
Quote from: King on May 12, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
I agree with Dan Borno's viewpoints.
Quote from: King on May 12, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
Like Dan Borno said,
Quote from: King on May 12, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
get on board with Dan Borno. He has the right mindset here,
8) in romance with the King (with no title) of Kanoonline.
LOL,
You have won the King's support.
King,you seem to have misunderstood my post.I neither rejected the idea of a southern(or whatever 'ern') president nor did i disapprove of DB's 'positive mindset'.
I was just digressing and analysing the issue at hand.
Infact your last post is so confusing and that i don't know ho to respond.
Quote from: gogannaka on May 10, 2008, 06:08:01 PM
Yar'adua has been diagnosed with the Churg-Straus syndrome, an rare disease that causes severe allergic reactions and asthma.It also affects the vitality of major organs like the Kidney,Liver and Heart.
The disease has three stages and can be suppressed/controlled at its early stages.
I heard that he was diagnosed with asthma when actually he doesnt have it and so it led to this syndrome because he was being prescirbed which such medicines.
Allah dai yabada lafiya Ameen.
GG, explain that confusing aspect of my last post, and I'll try to help you clarify the 'confusion'.
No matter how altruistic we want to be, there is no way to divorce Nigerian politics from sectionalism. We can only be deceive ourselves if we think the so-called Nigerian leaders, especially of the PDP breed, would ever do something without ulterior motives. So if the 'news' making rounds is that Obj had a hidden agenda for making 'Yar'adua president, it cannot be dismissed outrightly. Particularly given Obj's abject hatred of the North.
Therefore DB, the issue had gone beyond "Nigeria belong to all of us, so everyone can rule". That is, or should, be the desired scenario. However, the situation is more complex than that. Events in recent times have washed away any semblance of romance I personally might have had with that view. I'm not saying the northern leaders had done anything worthwhile to the north, but while theirs is a case of sheer negligence of the region, that of Obj is a calculated plan to shove us aside. We are all witnesses to how he (Obj) had systematically 'un-developed' the north in his eight years of misrule. Not that other parts of the country had faired much better, but he came in with this burning desire to balkanize the north so much so that he couldn't even mask it. Any surprise then that the northerners are skeptical, nay afraid, of seeing someone from the 'other side' ruling for another 8 years?
So if I understand the posts below, DB and King are being theoretical (fantasists if you like ;D), while goga is being practical. Saying it as it is!
Bakangizo, may be we need to revisit an old thread authored
by Muhsin on the reasons and philosophy behind your username.
Here is the latest update on the Presidents Health, culled from Guardian Newspaper of May 20 2008:
In an interview with the Financial Times of London, the President said he is not a super-human who cannot get sick, asking Nigerians who feel agitated about his health to "be concerned about Nigeria itself."
According to the President, "when I hear these rumours (about his indisposition), I always feel more elated. They confirm to me that I am not what those peddling the rumours want to believe I should be. I am an ordinary human being. I am not a super-human being. I don't know one yet. But certainly I'm not one. I am a normal human being who can fall sick, who can recover, who can die, who can have feelings, who can be angered, who can laugh, who is fit enough to be President, and who can have headaches, and can have fever.
"You see, all my medical records are in Germany. And I have been going to Germany since 1986. And I do my check-ups in Germany every year. In fact, sometimes every six months. And this has been going on since 1986. Now, the fact that I'm President today doesn't mean that when I feel there's something that I think is wrong and needs to be checked, I shouldn't go to my doctors, where all my records for the past 22 years are. It is the most practical thing to do. They know the background of everything about me medically.
"They (who are agitated about his health) should be concerned about Nigeria itself. And they should be rest assured that in working, carrying out responsibilities of President, I am fit and able to do that. And I'm doing it. In fact, at times, even overdoing it. I hardly have more than five hours, four hours sleep a day. And I believe the kind of work I do, it has to be, because there is an inner energy propelling me to do it. Sometimes when I look back, I just wonder that I'm able to do what I'm doing, and I believe Nigerians should have confidence in their leaders, and they should not be gullible to all kinds of rumours."
Prior to his last 10-day trip to Germany, he said: "I had malaria for four days. It never stopped me from doing anything. And then I took a new drug, which of course treated the malaria. But then, it gave me an allergic reaction. And he (presidential spokesman) announced it. The day before, when I got the allergic reaction, it was a Sunday. That Sunday, I spent over eight hours in my office in my house working. The following day, I signed the budget. And before I left, I spent time in my office working, because there was nothing wrong with me except allergic reaction."
President Yar'Adua linked the persistent rumour about his health to politics, saying that "politics in Nigeria is very interesting. And we can see that people enjoy fabricating stories, falsehoods, getting their way to get them published. But gradually, once we continue to develop as a nation, and then respect for the rule of law begins to take firm root, even the attitude of people to be sincere and honest in what they do will now continue to develop. That is why it is very critical, and very important, to establish respect for the rule of law. It's not a small challenge, because it is the greatest challenge this nation faces. But I assure you, once we are able to achieve that, as we achieve greater respect for the rule of law, you'll find that positive attitudes and values will begin to take over negative attitudes and values in Nigerians. And that is when you see that even the practice of politics and opposition and so on will now be based more on sincerity."
Ni laifin yar adua na ke gani, becos he was thinking selfishly when he accepted the presidential candidature in the first place. Since he knew the state of his health, he should have declined to accept, ko da yake kuma I dont know among that bunch of Kuraye that we call the northern PDP governors who would have wanted to implement an honest govt like Yar adua, seeing that at least he was aware more than anyone else about his own mortality. A robust and healthy governor might believe in his invincibility as time went on and be useless for the country. On the other hand kuma, Yar adua is proving pretty much that also, mortality conscious or not.
Hajia, wallahi duk abun iskanci ne kawai. Kuma duk wani magana akan lafiyar sa (ko rashin ta) rufa-rufa kawai suke wa mutane.
Here is what Yar-Adua said.....
"You see, all my medical records are in Germany. And I have been going to Germany since 1986. And I do my check-ups in Germany every year. In fact, sometimes every six months. And this has been going on since 1986. Now, the fact that I'm President today doesn't mean that when I feel there's something that I think is wrong and needs to be checked, I shouldn't go to my doctors, where all my records for the past 22 years are. It is the most practical thing to do. They know the background of everything about me medically."
It is totally embarrassing for the President of Nigeria to utter words like this. Then he gets upset when people make speculations about his health and calls such speculation rumor peddling. Which part exactly is the rumor? In his own words, he falls ill like everyone else, but then UNLIKE everyone else, he travels to Germany for the very best of medical attention money can buy. He also points out that ALL his medical records are in Germany, and that they know everything about him. When the media reports some of these very admissions, he accuses them of rumor mongering. So I ask where is the rumor? But that aside, it is indeed sad and troubling to see our President travel so frequently to a foreign country for PROPER medical attention because he lacks the initiative to improve the current health care system in his own country. He is the President, and it is his job to correct anomalies in the country. With all the excess revenue we generate from crude oil sale which is currently selling at its highest price per barrel and still climbing, what is his excuse? Isn't it scary that GERMAN doctors know everything about him medically? This means he can be blackmailed easily. This also means he can be very easily eliminated by chemical poison administered into his system on any of those frequent check up trips of his. Has this thought ever occurred to him or any of his advisers? Let me play devil's advocate here for a second..if the Germans were to poison him using a progressive but lethal chemical agent, how would the local coroners in Nigeria know given the fact that they are donkey years behind modern forensic procedures?
I am yet to see a German Chancellor or any European leader for that matter travel to Africa (talk less of Nigeria) for their health concern. Not only would that be suicidal to their political life, but would be considered madness. If I recall, Yar-Adua was governor for several years before becoming President right?
Well, given the fact that his own health was always in jeopardy, what exactly was his health policy as governor? Since he had been visiting Germany for 22 years, did he once think of establishing the same medical facilities in his own home state so that people requiring similar health care needs would benefit from such high standard hospitals? Would that not have benefited him since that would have diminished his numerous and tideous trips to Germany. In my view, this is how practical people do things. Practical people have to factor common sense into policy formulation.
In America alone, it is believed that amongst all immigrant population present, that Nigeria has the most medical doctors, more than even India. We are talking about highly qualified and distinguished doctors in all areas of medicine, yet look at the state of Nigeria's national health care. Disgraceful!!!!! To add insult to injury, the President lets on almost in a bragging tone about how his health is handled exclusively in Germany. That is just pitiful. I wonder if they even really undertand why the got "S(e)lected" by the "people". The least they can do is act as if they know what to do, and quit making very unguarded comments like the one above.
Allah ya sauwake ,may be what haven in Kaduna shi zai faru mutane na ganin "Makarfi "bashi da lafia Unfortunately "depty Stephen "die Allah Kenan
Quote from: King on May 22, 2008, 02:15:33 AM
It is totally embarrassing for the President of Nigeria to utter words like this. Then he gets upset when people make speculations about his health and calls such speculation rumor peddling. Which part exactly is the rumor? In his own words, he falls ill like everyone else, but then UNLIKE everyone else, he travels to Germany for the very best of medical attention money can buy. He also points out that ALL his medical records are in Germany, and that they know everything about him. When the media reports some of these very admissions, he accuses them of rumor mongering. So I ask where is the rumor? But that aside, it is indeed sad and troubling to see our President travel so frequently to a foreign country for PROPER medical attention because he lacks the initiative to improve the current health care system in his own country. He is the President, and it is his job to correct anomalies in the country. With all the excess revenue we generate from crude oil sale which is currently selling at its highest price per barrel and still climbing, what is his excuse? Isn't it scary that GERMAN doctors know everything about him medically? This means he can be blackmailed easily. This also means he can be very easily eliminated by chemical poison administered into his system on any of those frequent check up trips of his. Has this thought ever occurred to him or any of his advisers? Let me play devil's advocate here for a second..if the Germans were to poison him using a progressive but lethal chemical agent, how would the local coroners in Nigeria know given the fact that they are donkey years behind modern forensic procedures?
I am yet to see a German Chancellor or any European leader for that matter travel to Africa (talk less of Nigeria) for their health concern. Not only would that be suicidal to their political life, but would be considered madness. If I recall, Yar-Adua was governor for several years before becoming President right?
Well, given the fact that his own health was always in jeopardy, what exactly was his health policy as governor? Since he had been visiting Germany for 22 years, did he once think of establishing the same medical facilities in his own home state so that people requiring similar health care needs would benefit from such high standard hospitals? Would that not have benefited him since that would have diminished his numerous and tideous trips to Germany. In my view, this is how practical people do things. Practical people have to factor common sense into policy formulation.
In America alone, it is believed that amongst all immigrant population present, that Nigeria has the most medical doctors, more than even India. We are talking about highly qualified and distinguished doctors in all areas of medicine, yet look at the state of Nigeria's national health care. Disgraceful!!!!! To add insult to injury, the President lets on almost in a bragging tone about how his health is handled exclusively in Germany. That is just pitiful. I wonder if they even really undertand why the got "S(e)lected" by the "people". The least they can do is act as if they know what to do, and quit making very unguarded comments like the one above.
Great post 8) The President's comments just underlined how unserious and shameless our leaders are.
Kai :o :o :oThat is absolutely unmentionable.
Three things are involved:-
1. Musa Yar'adua
2. The President of Nigeria
3. Nigeria
The president in person, the president's office and
the entity called Nigeria.
I quite understand the predicament of not only our
health sector but the entire machinaries of governance.
As far as Yar'adua (in person) is concern I see no reason
why he should'nt go up to the moon in search of better
health so long he will get one.
He stated it clearly that he has been visiting Germany
since 1986 and for the simple reason that he is now steering
the wheels of governance in Nigeria doesnt mean he should
deprive himself that long practiced freedom.
I see no fault.
Of course you won't see any fault. We understand that.
A person had been going overseas for an ailment since 1986. Thirteen years later he got the opportunity and became a governor. For the eight years he governed, he continued his sojourn oversea for the same treatment. He never deemed it fit/necessary/wise to even attempt to setup or upgrade the medical facilities in his home state to cater his (and the people suffering from the same ailment), despite having billions of the State's money at his disposal. He later became a President, and the travels continue.
Meanwhile, we've seen people like Kanu Nwankwo who went through a heart surgery once. He then set up the Kanu Heart Foundation to help people with similar problem, using his hard earned money. Not money from government coffers. Not free, regular monthly allocation. His money.
So, yes, you won't see any fault. It is normal in Nigeria.
Bakan Gizo, excellent response. Dan Borno, I respectfully disagree with you. Sorry, but you are wrong on this issue. Your position is even more disappointing because in the past you've been very outspoken about lack of government initiative on national development. Now however, you seem to have lost that clear sense of reasoning. This tells us that if you were in a position of leadership, you'll do the exact same thing and then rationalize your action when criticized.
Bakan Gizo pointed out the story of Kano Nwankwo who from his own medical experience had enough sense to begin a foundation for people with heart condition so they can get the proper medical help they require to enable them live normal lives. I don't even know if Kano graduated from any fancy University or attended any, but setting up a foundation like his is what initiative is all about. Now contrast that to your President who has had kidney problems for decades and his usual recourse is to hop a flight to Germany. Where is his own foundation? Governor for 8 years and what was his health policy? If anything his only agenda should have been quality health care for all state residents.
So I disagree that he has a right to seek medical aid anywhere. He is the President of a nation endowed with mineral, material, and human resource. He has a responsibility to the people and not just to himself. So what happens when Mr. Okoro, Chief Balogun, Alhaji Danladi, or a Mallam Audu falls critically ill? Do they all get to travel to Germany like the President does on tax payer money? Can they even afford lousy health care in Nigeria? Dude, this is a serious issue. Thousands of Nigerians have died in the past couple of years for conditions that $5 or $10 medication/treatment could have prevented. Each year thousands keep succumbing to diseases and other treatable conditions because our ignorant and dumb leaders have no clue.
I read the other day that a state (can't remember which) gave several of its senior officers money to travel abroad. The question I asked was, travel abroad to do what exactly? How sick is that? To imagine that they thought of nothing better but to cut huge chunks of money and distribute the funds to government employees so they could travel abroad and have fun is sickening to say the least. This is how degenerate Nigeria has become.
Dan Borno, are majority of the people in Nigeria now mad? I ask because their actions defy logic.
DB, a dai na daure wa karya mara....! >:(
No King, the majority of Nigerians are not mad. They are apathetic, that is our problem. We do NOTHING about our situation. or rather the common man doesnt. Its like when the labour union wants ppl to go on strike over a pressing issue to try and force the hand of the govt, its the same common man for whom labor is trying to extract his rights from the govt, that turns round and lambasts the labor union for its actions, saying its going to impose hardship on him.. albeit a day or two's hardship. He never sits and analyzes his situation whereby he reasons that a day or two's hardship acts to alleviate the continuous hardships he is going throu as a result of the govt's insensitiveness. That is really what gets my goat. The common man would rather go and commit ritual murder in return for a few thousand naira that the will be given to him to do so and by the same politician whose actions imposed those difficulties on him in the first place.
Just the other day, I heard in the news the horrendous case of a woman whose stepdaughter set her on fire and her two young kids aged 1 and 3 yrs. They were rushed to Murtala Mohd Hospital in Kano with first degree burns. Hearing that, I just thought given the state of our hospital services, those victims would have to be destined with long lives if they were to survive. I just imagined the state of the hospital and the emergency unit. Indeed a day or two after the Beeb broke the news, they reported the passing away of the woman. I know it is her time to die, and that is why she is dead. But the point is if she were meant to survive, someone would have flown her abroad for better medical care, or her burns may not be so severe and then she can survive it, albeit through the body's own efforts to heal itself (bi izniAllah of course), but not through any effort of the doctors or the nurses there, and certainly not through being given the proper treatment, cos I doubt if they even have iodine or gentian blue, to apply over the burns.
BKGZ, King and Husnaa - you missed the point here, especially
when you tried joining issues and dont differentiate between
individual freedom and patriotism. No one was ever crucified
for not opening a charity organization, whoever did that does
it based on his relationship with his creator and so many if not
majority of those in power and wealth have no such charity
organizations.
The point we are discussing here is Mr. Yar'adua's health. Do
you mean to tell me that he should sit down and watch himself
malhandled by our crook and unprofessional doctors even though
he has the opportunity of getting the best of the best doctors?
Why dont we imagine ourselves in Mr. President's shoe? In this
country's history we have recorded millions of travels abroad for
medical purposes - why the Servan-Leaders' medical travel be
something to be discussed and even branding unpatriotism to
him. As far as I am concern, education, health, agriculture,
better work etc are things to be pursued with vigor no matter
where they are - no wonder we dont raise an eyebrow on those
who sent their children abroad to study after we have the institutions
here in Naija.
I continued emphasising that we should be looking at the President
from two side - Ummaru and His Excellency - whenever he acted as
Ummaru i think he deserves a break just like any other Nigerian.
However, if he acted as His Excellency, then the public can now come
in with their bla bla bla bla -
All the posters (Husnaa is the Gang Leader) hated this my President
and you dont see anything good in him. Mr. King, I will never support
what is unfair treatment to Nigerians, and I still maintain my stand that
Nigerian Government has failed us woefully in every sector, but that
does not mean I should be biased and nail Ummaru while fighting
to keep himself fit and proper on the hot seat with guys like you eyeing
him.
Quote from: Dan-Borno on May 23, 2008, 08:54:49 AM
BKGZ, King and Husnaa - you missed the point here, especially
when you tried joining issues and dont differentiate between
individual freedom and patriotism. No one was ever crucified
for not opening a charity organization, whoever did that does
it based on his relationship with his creator and so many if not
majority of those in power and wealth have no such charity
organizations.
No one is asking them to open a charity organization. We are asking them to use our money to upgrade our medical facilities.
Our money. The one they use to steal and stash away in Swiss banks.
Quote
The point we are discussing here is Mr. Yar'adua's health. Do
you mean to tell me that he should sit down and watch himself
malhandled by our crook and unprofessional doctors even though
he has the opportunity of getting the best of the best doctors?
That's it! Mr. Pres has access to the best medical practitioners, so why should he bother about making sure that we have this excellent setup in Nigeria? Meanwhile, the rest of us masses should make do with the "crooks and unprofessional' doctors. Never mind that these crooks and banzayen likitocin are a direct result of bad governance.
Quote
Why dont we imagine ourselves in Mr. President's shoe? In this
country's history we have recorded millions of travels abroad for
medical purposes - why the Servan-Leaders' medical travel be
something to be discussed and even branding unpatriotism to
him...
Yeah. Let me imagine myself in Mr. President's shoes . *best doctors abroad whenever I feel an itch, food, shelter, security etc etc*. Now let me imagine myself in
my shoes *Crook doctors, no drugs, insecurity, no gida etc etc* ::).
Quote
I continued emphasising that we should be looking at the President
from two side - Ummaru and His Excellency - whenever he acted as
Ummaru i think he deserves a break just like any other Nigerian.
However, if he acted as His Excellency, then the public can now come
in with their bla bla bla bla
There's nothing like umaru and Mr. President. The two are one and the same. The day he agreed to become (or rather agreed to be
made) the president, however crookedly and dishonestly, he has no hiding place. His actions and inactions would continue to be linked to the life of the nation.
So it is really very surprising for you to attempt to defend the indefensible. It is disheartening really. But then this is Nigeria, where our hearts rule our heads more often than not.
Jama'a kuji tsoron Allah, dont try to blame this innocent
man fighting for his dear life. Bakangizo you taking this
issue too personal with Mr. President.
Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on May 23, 2008, 09:59:04 AM
So it is really very surprising for you to attempt to defend the indefensible. It is disheartening really. But then this is Nigeria, where our hearts rule our heads more often than not.
Indefensible indeed, but it is me that is so surprised the way
you and your team are pressing so much to find Yar'adua
guilty for doing something which is not an offence AT ALL.
Yar'adua is not and never Nigerian problem, he alone cannot
solve the Nigerian problem - one, two, three or ten years is
never enough to repair the damages done to Nigeria, Yar'adua
may end his tenure soon (8 years) and if care is not taken
Nigeria will continue in its ailment. Dont blame Yar'adua alone
start blaming the original designers of Nigeria.
Give my President a break pls Mr. Rainbow.
Of course it is personal. We are talking about healthcare system in our country. Something that affects you, me, and everybody. So if my President comes out, without first thinking about the implication of what he's going to say, and publicly declare that he has been going abroad for the last 22 years for the same treatment, without him having the foresight (or in this case, retrospect) to bring home same type of medical facility that he was going outside for, then I'm gonna take it personal. Albeit not in the way you mean.
Please note that there's no time I, Husnaa or King insinuate that he is Nigeria's problem. And we certainly didn't expect him to solve all our problems during his tenure. But if he can spend 22 years travelling for medicare without thinking of doing anything, then I'm afraid.
Problem is you are too much into 'Yar'adua that you can't see the truth, even if it stares you in the face.
I believe some Nigerians (most of them) will never see good in anything and no matter
how one tries to please some people will still rant and keep ranting because ranting
is good and makes one feels he is better or could do better.It also portrays you as an
expert.
First of all,it is known worldwide that Germany has an excellent healthcare system
just like Austria has an excellent transport system,china with excellent traditional
medicine ETC.There is absolutely nothing wrong when you visit an expert for expert
advice. You are not doing anything worthy of praise by staying back home (where you
are certainly sure that your healthcare system is bad) and dying because you want to
show the ranting public that you are patriotic.
Yar'adua only became became a governor 14 years after he started visiting Germany for
his medical checkups.
Some asked for his health policies. He is the first governor that introduced the free medical
treatment for pregnant women and children.He bought ambulances (not our own type of
station wagon ambulances) for all local government.Most travellers to Katsina will see this
with their 'koro koro' eyes(they are there on the highways incase of emergencies) not to talk
of the number of hospitals he built. This same person extended his hands all the way to Kano
state where he built a modern hospital right inside BUK(new site),a facility they lacked before(shame)
And like he promised during the convocation he completed it within the stipulated time and
without anyone going to him begging for money to complete the project.Of all the promises
made to the University at that time he was the only one that concluded the project in due time.
You should please kindly check the health ministry's allocation in the budget.Also check the
presidency's budget.He will complete the state house hospital,complete with a dialysis machine.
(Mind you the state house hospital is a public hospital).
I have some friends studying medicine and i learnt that all of the filled Katsina when they were
filling thier housemanship forms.It was because Katsina is the highest paying state (till now).
So to say Ummaru hasn't done anything to the health sector is a slap in his face.The kind of slap
that idan ya ce maka Allah ya isa to sai ta bi mutum.
Abeg make we dey see the positive side of things not the negative always.
When some people rant it is just to gain relevance especially a kafofin yada labaran mu.
P.S BKGZ i am in love with Ummaru ;D and i am not PDP just being sincere.
Idan mutum yayi abun yabo to zan yaba.
Look GGNK, wannan abin da kake fada shine kamar ka ci tuwo ka rage, ka kira almajiri ka bashi ne ya cinye yana Allah Karba, kai kuma you feel magnanimous feeling that u have done some good, saboda ka bashi ragowar bakin ka, while in honest terms, you are just trying to salve yr conscience for not telling the family a ajiye ma almajirin can kwanon tuwon dare kullum.
What I am trying to get at is that ITS NOT ENOUGH! Yar adua baiyi komai ba with the 'token' he implemented. He should give the ppl at least 30% of the sort of medical care he receives, not 0.05% of it. That way, sai ace ya tabuka!! >:(
Auntyn Muhsin, i think its time you withdraw your
artillery over the issue of Mr. President, GGNK has
done a fair presentation of the man as he has said
most accusations are baseless and people do it for
recognition purposes only.
Bakangizo, you can also take the above prescription.
Quote from: gogannaka on May 25, 2008, 06:39:15 PM
Some asked for his health policies. He is the first governor that introduced the free medical
treatment for pregnant women and children.He bought ambulances (not our own type of
station wagon ambulances) for all local government.Most travellers to Katsina will see this
with their 'koro koro' eyes(they are there on the highways incase of emergencies) not to talk
of the number of hospitals he built. This same person extended his hands all the way to Kano
state where he built a modern hospital right inside BUK(new site),a facility they lacked before(shame)
And like he promised during the convocation he completed it within the stipulated time and
without anyone going to him begging for money to complete the project.Of all the promises
made to the University at that time he was the only one that concluded the project in due time.
You should please kindly check the health ministry's allocation in the budget.Also check the
presidency's budget.He will complete the state house hospital,complete with a dialysis machine.
(Mind you the state house hospital is a public hospital).
I have some friends studying medicine and i learnt that all of the filled Katsina when they were
filling thier housemanship forms.It was because Katsina is the highest paying state (till now).
So to say Ummaru hasn't done anything to the health sector is a slap in his face.The kind of slap
that idan ya ce maka Allah ya isa to sai ta bi mutum.
Abeg make we dey see the positive side of things not the negative always.
When some people rant it is just to gain relevance especially a kafofin yada labaran mu.
Understand the issue being debated here. Firstly, no where did I, Husnaa or King stated that your beloved 'Yar'adua has not done anything good. Nor did we say the problem of Nigeria (no matter which sector) started, and would end, with him. The issue is the man said he has been going overseas for treatment for 22 years. And we see this as shameful. Whether it is 'Yardua or whoever, we consider it a slide on Nigeria's leadership. We see it as a failure if he could not setup the same facility FOR THE SAME AILMENT he goes to enjoy in Germany. For him, and others suffering from the same thing. Which was why I mentioned the Kanu Nwankwo example. (by the way, he's building another Heart Hospital in Uganda).
So he built health centre at BUK. And he bought ambulances (you don't even know how many, do you?). So what? You think that's a pass mark? No wonder Nigeria is the way it is! Someone get entrusted with the public's billions, he uses about a fraction of it for us, squander/steal/misuse the bulk of the money. And we clap for him. It is unfortunate really. I practically live in Katsina, so think I'm in a better position to tell you about the health care here. I refer you to Usman Bugaje's dissect of 'Yaradua's performance in the health sector. You'll be suprised. Do you know that presently only the Federal Medical Centre has X-ray machines? Yes. Simple x-ray, the government hospital can not boast of. So what are you telling me? Please don't believe anything you read.
Quote
P.S BKGZ i am in love with Ummaru ;D and i am not PDP just being sincere.
Idan mutum yayi abun yabo to zan yaba.
Of course you can be In Love with the man. By all means you can Get Besotted by him. Whatever. You just don't have to mention it. Its your right. I believe we can deduce that from your response.
DB, as you have such a vested interest in yar adua, u really are not in a position to be impartial. Mutumin is a weak weak weak leader. He is soft as marsh mallow and that is not what we want. We want IRON MAN ko FIREMAN ko SUPERMAN ko POPEYE and his iron biceps!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Haba, No wallahi, ba wani vested interest, just rallying
round my leader to encourage him do more good to this
country - except that we took different direction.
We will soon be celebrating democracy which also marks
one year in office of Mr. President. During that time, I
will try and analyse how far we have achieved from the
popular developmental points agenda. Then we can gauge
what we will achieve in the remaining 3 years to come.
Below is a dreakdown of the highest allotees in the 2008 appropriation bill:
Education:-220 billion
Defense:-191 billion
Transport:-189 billion
Energy:-156 billion
Health:-144 billion
Agric:-134 billion
http://www.fmf.gov.ng/portal/detail.php?link=budget%202008 (http://www.fmf.gov.ng/portal/detail.php?link=budget%202008)
hey guys, hope you've been opportuned to watch
mr. president on a live NTA programme on May 29
which is the democracy day where mr president who
Husnaa claimed cannot talk for more than 10 minutes
spent over an hour aswering hard questions from
professional journalists. this proves how healthy is
the president as opposed to those rumour mongering
perpetrated by so many.
he told the whole world that he is fine and doing fine
and all human beings are capable of falling sick and
dying even without falling sick, he implore all nigerians
to concentrate on the future of this country and stop
rumour mongering.
long like yar'adua.
To ALHAMDULILLAHI,death is mandatory upon all of us,sai muce duk kan mu in mutuwarmu tazo ALLAH yasa mucika daimani
Amma mun ga abinda yafaru a kaduna,stephen shekare ya mutu ya bar makarfi,wanda kullum ana saran mutuwarsa,to komai sai ALLAH yayi.
THanks.
Quote from: gogannaka on May 26, 2008, 02:56:03 PM
Below is a dreakdown of the highest allotees in the 2008 appropriation bill:
Education:-220 billion
Defense:-191 billion
Transport:-189 billion
Energy:-156 billion
Health:-144 billion
Agric:-134 billion
http://www.fmf.gov.ng/portal/detail.php?link=budget%202008 (http://www.fmf.gov.ng/portal/detail.php?link=budget%202008)
Kamar gaske while there are still teachers with meagre salaries less than N1000 per month! :o :o :o
Sorry for 'bridging' the thread's subject matter. Wallahi abun ne is itching.
Yaron Aunty, is this One Thousand Naira or Ten Thousand
Naira?
Quote from: Dan-Borno on June 02, 2008, 09:58:49 AM
hey guys, hope you've been opportuned to watch
mr. president on a live NTA programme on May 29
which is the democracy day where mr president who
Husnaa claimed cannot talk for more than 10 minutes
spent over an hour aswering hard questions from
professional journalists. this proves how healthy is
the president as opposed to those rumour mongering
perpetrated by so many.
he told the whole world that he is fine and doing fine
and all human beings are capable of falling sick and
dying even without falling sick, he implore all nigerians
to concentrate on the future of this country and stop
rumour mongering.
long like yar'adua.
Aaa to ni ina ruwana? I didnt claim, it was his Drs who advised him to talk less ( a min at the most :P :P) in ya kiji ruwan sa. Duk wanda baiji bara ba yaji hoho ;D ;D ;D
Husnaa irin wannan adawa.
Make una pray for the guy now.
Honestly you could see all the honesty in him unlike the predecessor.
He coughed intermittently sha but he said afterall he is human and could die anytime like anyone else.
Allah ya taimake shi ya taimaki al'ummar Nigeria.
Quote from: Dan-Borno on June 03, 2008, 01:09:51 PM
Yaron Aunty, is this One Thousand Naira or Ten Thousand
Naira?
LOL
N10,000 I mean.