Salaaam 2 ya'll,
This topic has been in my mind for quite a while now, I was encouraged to post it so I can read the responses and enlightment Iam gonna get from u k-onliners!!
Well, U ever wonder about sumthing u are so into, leveling ur thinking that it's religoius and sudddenly u found that it's simply a culture and nothing more........
It's kinda confusing sumtimes, can we please get clarification on somethings here e.g. I heard a Malam metioning that a lady's voice is not haram and that they can do their hair....I use to think........................... well, let's have more 2 discuss
Goooooooooooood topic Kameel, na u wey get correct senseHair...........permin is not haram in Islam, attachment/wigs/hair extensions r all haram........
Mace ana so voice dinta ya zama ba wanda zai ja hankali ba, infact I was being told if a gurl wants 2 tlk 2 any guy who is not her muharram...she shud use a husky voice......infact muryar maza........so as no man wud admire her aprt of her muharram...........so i heard.
There r soooooooooooooo many superstitious beliefs to addini & alada 7 am sure loads of 'em here wil tell u. I also heard that If a child has not been put in sunshine if a child id being born........he will grow up yaki Islam...... So where duz that come from? Addini/Alada or juss Supersticious beliefs?
karin bayani; ok, it's just that when we were kids there are so many things we hearsay ba kyau eg. permin.
Amma sum malams point out that it's quite ok, for a gurl 2 du that, amma da sai a ce ta kona gashi, ko kuma yar iskace.
I was thinking that here must be so many other things
eg. culturally, u won't see a hausa gurl wear trousers
but is it not haram? Ya know things lke that........
LooooooL! i rememeber when i was about 11 yrs old...girls use to tell meeh that i will be punished because i wore "jinnss"...haha.. i asked them "so if i wear a pakistani dress.. thats haram?"... dem dey look meeh like one yeye.. ;D
i also remember kids in my islamiyya sayin.. soccer was haram....... pisssssssssssh lol!.. AS IF!
KAMEEL permin is not haram, but using hot combs & wigs/extensions iz haram.
As all ma dear Nija sistaz use 2 say: I need 2 retouch ma hair (which makes me laff). I dont think permin is haram...but mayb who knows :-/ cuz day by day new rulez keep comin in!!!
Salam
Hakane kamilu. It's just like takutaha( hawan dala in rabiu'l awwal) or wannan occasiondin mallam nasirun na ziyarar makabarta.
Ina ganin indai abu bai wuce gona da iriba, to ko da al adane sai mu kayale shi. kamar tashe, duk dayake ba addini bane, muna celebrating amma bama ganin wani haufi wurin yinsa.
Yana dakyau duk dahaka ayi separating addini da l'ada saboda after sometime, there is this tendency of people to adopt this things religiously.
CIAO
QuoteSalam
Yana da kyau duk dahaka ayi separating addini da l'ada saboda after sometime, there is this tendency of people to adopt this things religiously.
CIAO
Quite right Amin.
Ummita, I think hotcombing one's hair is halal. Why? because it is the same process as putting your hair under the dryer to crisp it up or blowdrying it. The end results are all the same.
hot comb is NOT haram.. i'm with aunty ummul on this one...
i think the reason why wigs and extensions are not allowed is because then girls could be using it as a "hair covering"... u know, where the wig in place of veil...and extensions might not be good for ablution...
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I think hotcombing one's hair is halal. Why? because it is the same process as putting your hair under the dryer to crisp it up or blowdrying it. The end results are all the same. ?
uh uh um um..... They r absolutely 2 different things. Hot combs is like an iron, it straigthens d hair,& not only does it straighthen d hair it also burns d hair lightly....givin it that touch of perm...& permin is applying that stuff & afta washin & wateva,...d hair gets in2 d dryer...
I was being told hot combs is haram...& I believe it..so I stand as a minor.......ba kowa bane dole ya yadda....I believe it & thats final (she laffs)!!!
Wigs extensions r haram, because Allah ko ta yaya ne...ya ba mace hair....even whether its juss two strands......so y put extensions/wigs? In other way...it show that a woman is not grateful. Its simply haram, because women who put it show Allah they r not grateful of d hair he gave 'em!!!! Simple!!!
salam,
this realy an interestin topic :D. Amma naji ance wig ne kawai haram a ciki.and muryan mace is definately an Aura.............sai dai akwai certain cases da dole mace tayi magana da non muharram, sai dai anfi so yakasance akwai one of her muharrams there,and ,and ,and......................
akwai long long talks on this permin thing, wasu sunce haram ne cos sun dauke shi sort of canza halittan Allah, wasu sun dauke shi kwalliya 8), so sai sukace a woman can do it if and only she's married 4 mijinta kaman su lipstick and co. others kuma sun dauke shi a kindaf help to yan uwa masu shan wuyan treatin gashin su so sai suka ce halal ne......................
Bahaushiya for the first time I agree. You study beauty therapism ne? Ummita am with you on hot combs...so it makes us to agaisnt two!!! HOT COMBS IS HARAM, I REPEAT HARAM.........PERMIN IS NOT HARAM I REPEAT IS NOT HARAM....Lipstick :-/ since bahaushiya dey apply make she analyse that one ;)
.. kai.. i no go gruff my voice oh!.. a beg.. the men should be able to control themselves.. we have restrictions, they have restrictions... its always cultural to stress the femal restrictions...... and the men better maintain theirs...
anyhow.. incase ya'll havent noticed.. if ur a Muslimah.. ur pidgeon free... ;D so no fella can say i'm a pidgeon lol!
Hot comb haraam? hmmm ban taba ji ba... :-/ Yeah, permin ain't haraam. Kuma naji wani wa'azi aka ce muryar mace is not aura.
NI DAI I STILL STAND AS A MINOR.....HOT COMBS IS HARAM Oya lets proceed............bring in another issue & lets all critise...cuz thats wat we du in a forum..& we dont even get paid 4 it
to na gode ke nan hafsay :P.
beauty therapism Lol!
jan baki .............haram ne , in ma kin tara su kwando -kwado......je kizubar.
to na gode ke nan hafsay :P.
beauty therapism Lol!
jan baki .............haram ne , in ma kin tara su kwando -kwado......je kizubar.
Am so glad to come across this post. I have been wanting to learn and know the values beliefs & norms of Hausa culture and Islam. Basically I am half spanish half Nigerian (which makes me mixed race :-/) I have been dating a hausa guy for the past 4yrs now. I seriously want to learn about hausa norms but my finacee never tells me. He refuses to speak of hausa norms with regads to religion. I am so into books about hausa I visit websites infact I do send a little time in between my work hours to check out the chit chat, becasue even when they are funny I have indirectly learned alot about Islam.
I know what Addini means in hausa it means religion right for my fiancee teaches me some words in hausa. but I dont know what that Al'ada means. But I have read alot and this is so interesting. Is it also true that when babies of hausa people are born. something in their throat is cut out. because I was arguing with my fiancee that if we give birth no one will slah my babies throat
Millie Al'ada means tradition
Millie I dont really get that throat slashing thingy you were on about. Oh sister has already told u d meanin. Do no probs...
By d side ways I wud like 2 welciome sista......but plz can I ask......where u leave pastor.......is he comin as well?
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By d side ways I wud like 2 welciome sista......but plz can I ask......where u leave pastor.......is he comin as well?
HAHAHA!! :D
Ummita you are one cheeky girl :)
Pastor Huh?? well he doesn't like internet.
controversies... :-/
did any of u ever come across... football haram ne....? loooool.. that one is juss funny!!!
I really dunno wat happened ??? But I replied millie sumtyme back and explained the ''throat'' thingy, well, the throat thingy (known in hausa as 'cire beli') is basically 2 help hausa peeps swallow enuff tuwo............
Haaa, FDY u no know say footbal is Haram :o :o??
Sha it's simply because u hardly find footbal players leaving the field when they hear the adhan(call for prayers!!) and any game wey gop stop u form praying is haram... kin gane?
salam
two things. first of all, all action not enshrined by the law of Allah have the potential of being haram. What makes them not haram depends on intention.
Anyone who perms or coils his/her hair for evil or sexual reasons, then, niyyar sa ta bata aikin da zaiyi koda activity din is physically OK.
Secondly, foot ball is not haram.
Mallam Kamilu ko ba hakabane?
Muhammad
Inbanda mahaukaciya wacece zatayi coiling or perming as you said for sexual reasons. So if a married woman want........she go go coil or perm hair...Abeg don Allah a dinga reasoning. ::)
In a way kenan kana cewa mata masu perming shoudlnt ko?
Don Allah jama'a meyasa namiji zai aikata sunnan manzo Allah ya auri mata ta hanyar da ubangiji ya wajabta ammans ai kuga yanmata sun fake fake sunce wai bazasu baci mata sai ya biya kudin sadaki Imagine? Dama ni ranar aure na yana magana na amsa. Ina son dan abuna ammam yanmatanna suka dage suka hanani magana nace baniyawa. So siyan baki is that Alada or religion?
..kameel.. if football is haram.. then computer games are haram.. then internet is haram... then almost everything u do in life is haram...
like uncle amin said.. its up to ur intentions!... u make an intention.. u carry it out.. etc etc... thats it. football and other sports are NOT HARAM!...
..if a girl perms her hair.. then covers it.. its ok... as long as she doesnt try to get attention. but most women perm for easy management of the hair... cuz some of the sisters got that nappy hair... others do it as kwalya.. so i wouldnt say perming is haram...
hafsy.. abeg... explain the difference b/w hot comb and perming?... i dont get why one is haram and the other halal...
QuoteI really dunno wat happened ??? But I replied millie sumtyme back and explained the ''throat'' thingy, well, the throat thingy (known in hausa as 'cire beli') is basically 2 help hausa peeps swallow enuff tuwo............
lol...tuwo? hahaha.. sai dai kai!... its actually for medical and health reasons... when u get a cold or sumthin... the thingie (bellie?) gets infected and it hurts... so hausa people and other people around the world, cut it off from birth...
but i kinda disagree with such practice.. because the thingie (bellie? ::)) is like a shield (or filter).... so.. it gets infected FIRST and the infection stays there... if not, then the infection will carry on and go into the body... u grab? there has to be a reason why God placed it there...
my dad didnt have his removed.. my mom got hers removed.. but meeh and my sibs still have ours...
some hausa people also believe that it will grow long and choke the person... and thats juss...outrageous..lol
QuoteKAMEEL permin is not haram, but using hot combs & wigs/extensions iz haram.
I will like to give some input to this. I think it's kind of logic to that hot combs and wigs are totally different and they are used for different purpose. Because i don't want to make a comment that I don't even know where it came from so I have spoke with imam... and he quote this hadith
Praise be to Allaah.
There is nothing wrong with changing the hair colour and dyeing it any colour, except black. There is also nothing wrong with using something to make curly hair straight. This ruling applies to young and old alike, so long as no damage results from doing this and the material used is pure (taahir) and something that is allowed in Islam. However, dyeing the hair pure black is not allowed for men or women, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?Change this grey hair, but avoid black.? (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa?imah, 5/168 )
Peace to you all,
I'm out
Amin, U are very right, intention is of uttermost importance!!
u can imagine sum babes trying hard 2 cover the newly permmed hair thus ba ma a zancen hijab......
Fyne dyme, I didn't say Football is haram, Iam trying to figure out situations where games or other activities become questionable simply because a person is unable to perform his prayers (on tyme) while consumed in it.
Thanks for that Hadith Gimbiya, thus no BLACK WIG should be used for any attachment.
FDQ, thanks for that explanation about ''throat thingy'', AAAH, u don't believe it grows? Kin ta jin labarin wani abu wai shi 'makoko'? lol
Amin, U are very right, intention is of uttermost importance!!
u can imagine sum babes trying hard 2 cover the newly permmed hair thus ba ma a zancen hijab......
Fyne dyme, I didn't say Football is haram, Iam trying to figure out situations where games or other activities become questionable simply because a person is unable to perform his prayers (on tyme) while consumed in it.
Thanks for that Hadith Gimbiya, thus no BLACK WIG should be used for any attachment.
FDQ, thanks for that explanation about ''throat thingy'', AAAH, u don't believe it grows? Kin ta jin labarin wani abu wai shi 'makoko'? lol
Hot combing is sooooooooooooooooooo very haramicious.
Hair dying ok fair enuff......colour it beige, green or even purple is unharamicious.
Hair extension & weave as I have stated earlier haram ne shima.
Ance a chick should speak up in such a propa manna not as to raise voice like wata mara kai...& alot of these nowadays gurls speak up that men go.........owwwwwwww calm down chick, calm down.......babu ma mutunci yarinya ta sake baki.......like sum sort of parakeet!! Yeah neva did I mention that a gurl shud speak usin a mans voice, but irrespectively murya nata kada yayi worse than a loud speaker..............
Juss wanted to fynd out, if a child is brought in 2 d world by ma & pa, why wud they wanna turn a baby'z curly black hair into hairless but skin head......aski for newborn babies is it a sunni or juss our evalastin tradition? Sum taditonal norms & beliefs annoys me real madddddd ::)
Quote[color=orangehafsy.. abeg... explain the difference b/w hot comb and perming?... i dont get why one is haram and the other halal...
she signs......I would love to explain, but what good will it do to some one who denys the first principle of this? Je ki tambayi malamai wajen hudu you can weigh their reponses and then belive on which ever. As ma blad said its haram I have also heard it is. So either believin in or out...makes d same difference. I am not trying to convince, so idan baki yadda ba nio firobilem, why should we argue. Idan munje gabansa I will come out & ask....oh Allah have you not said thou shaul not use thee hot combs? 7 then you can jump out & say but why is it haram & explain to me, kinga munfijin dadai daga ubangijin mu ko? Allah said you should forever live what you have doubt in..so idan baki yadda leave it hon! ;) He go tell us on that final day! 8)
Assalamu Alaikum,
To me you are all right, the whole thing relates to ones intension. I think there is nothing in lipsticks, permin etc. if and if it is not going to be exposed to those who should not see and it is not done with the intension of changing God's creation like....did. So ladies look in the best way possible but to your husbands only....
QuoteSo ladies look in the best way possible but to your husbands only....
...and if we no get hubby nko?...
and wut about the men? them go dress for who?...
Interesting discussion,
As we may all know In the Muslim world of today it is easy to classify jurists into three classes: The conservatives, the moderates and the modernists. These groups always look at the Muslims and rest of the world from differing cone-angles thereby varying in the way the give Fatwa in the matters that affect their ?flocks?. I would want to believe that is why Kamil will hear a fatwa here from a well-respected Mallam that sanctify a certain act or feeling and find the repudiation of the same claim from another learned Mallam. It shouldn?t be confusing in anyway. What is needed of us young mind to do is only to understand the basics of theology from thence I think we can go ahead to identify with a world-view we find peace of mind in and can sufficiently depend.
For myself I don?t think female voice is an Aura because many a times as recorded by Ibn Hisham in his seerat al nabawiy and tabaqat al-kubra by ibn Ishaq you will find where Fatima addressed a crowd of believers in mosques. And also it was recorded that Umar(R.A) once sought to set limit on women?s mahr (dowry) during his Khilafah but ?a woman from behind cried out reprimanding him in public which he succumbed and Identified with the veracity of her claims? . These and several incidences before and after the demise of the Holy Prophet confirmed in strongest terms that woman?s voice is not an Aura. In fact that is why today my favorite singer remains the song goddess: Celine Dion and Uwani Zakire among Hausa singers.
This does not mean that those who think it to be an Aura are not right in there Ijtihaad. I presume that they are using specific circumstances in order to prevail on general circumstance and that is allowed in (usul) science of jurisprudence. In some specific circumstances woman tends to speak with the aim of staging a seductive process and by our study of human psychology we know that woman?s voice carries within it some huge amount of sexual spell sufficient to lure one into complying. In such situations it becomes Haram for her to speak. Even then if a woman wants to win a man for good (may be she sees some body she wants for spouse) I think I can find enough excuse for her to lure him into loving her with sweet words.
With regard to perming, hot ?combing or putting a wig I think everything depend on the circumstance and the reason for doing such. Men like varieties by nature. I spoke sometimes with my cousin sister who is learned a lot and I reasoned with her when she told me about how she used different wigs in order to give her husband different faces from which he will never be bored talk less of looking for another woman outside. I hailed her and added ?Provided that the wigs allow her to perform ablution with maximum efficiency.?
On foot ball which as submitted by FDQ I think foot ball is too much a triviality to be compared to surfing the net. And Islam frowns at too much indulgence in trivialities. Instead of watching football one can be more useful to his fellow Muslim brethren by reading Qur?an or watching movies that will enrich his intellectual faculty and provide for his armory of ideas. But those who take it to be a profession since the world are not all Muslim. Then I will say we need the money to build mosques and get more trappings Fi sabeelillah.
Wallahu A?alam.
QuoteI spoke sometimes with my cousin sister who is learned a lot and I reasoned with her when she told me about how she used different wigs in order to give her husband different faces from which he will never be bored talk less of looking for another woman outside. I hailed her and added ?Provided that the wigs allow her to perform ablution with maximum efficiency.?
personally, i think thats stupid!.. i wont be quick to agree with cases like this...
i read somewhere that "dressing in the sense of the opposite sex is wrong.... BUT if it is to please ur husband.. do so." and i say BULL CRAP!
in ur cousins case.. shes doing the same... PLZZZZ warn her and tell her to STOP!!!!
women who wear wigs and extensions are cursed.. or so i read. ::)
TELL HER THAT HER HUBBY SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE PERSON SHE IS.. THAN WHUT SHE LOOKS LIKE...
its not like she's forcing him to reduce his belly or dress in pink frills...
make her feel good about herself. instead of tryin to please him unnecessarily.... to try and get him with looks? thats SO SAD!.. so by the time she hits 60 she'll do plastic surgery for him?
*hisssssss........a beg....
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On foot ball which as submitted by FDQ I think foot ball is too much a triviality to be compared to surfing the net.
naaw man, it aint. the main reason why people say its haram is... it stops u from performing regular prayers... and nowadays, many things stop u from performing the prayers on time, sooo.... we juss have to be stronger in faith!
hafsy.... hot comb is not haram... i know that for a fact..
if any of the two had to be haram "perming and hot comb".. it would have to be "perming" because perming is permanent.. and hot comb, all u have to do is wash ur hair and its back to normal...
none of them are haram.. cuz i see no DIRECT harm it causes.
Gimbiya thanks for the hadith.
now I gotta go....I wan dye mah hair, say purple or so....
itz no big deal, itz tradition
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naaw man, it aint. the main reason why people say its haram is... it stops u from performing regular prayers... and nowadays, many things stop u from performing the prayers on time, sooo.... we juss have to be stronger in faith!
No FDQ, the main reason why football is termed by some as haram and rightfully so, is because you have a bunch of men/women with their aura (nakedness) exposed running all over a pitch. Anything above the knee and below the belly botton of a man is termed as his nakedness, and i think it is common knowledge what constitutes the aura of a woman.
As you rightfully said though, there are loads of other things that take away our time that arent haram, time management with regards to prayers and other religious obligations has more to do with discipline and the strength of ones faith.
FDQ you may be right in your own right but the truth in the science of jurisprudence remains one. that is why we said this earlier:
QuoteInteresting discussion,
As we may all know In the Muslim world of today it is easy to classify jurists into three classes: The conservatives, the moderates and the modernists. These groups always look at the Muslims and the rest of the world from differing cone-angles thereby varying in the way the give Fatwa in the matters that affect their "flocks". I would want to believe that is why Kamil will hear a fatwa here from a well-respected Mallam that sanctify a certain act or feeling and find the repudiation of the same claim from another learned Mallam. It shouldn't be confusing in anyway. What is needed of us young mind to do is only to understand the basics of theology from thence I think we can go ahead to identify with a world-view we find peace of mind in and can sufficiently depend.
We r indeed happy to find that some other great and more experienced jurists share our opinion with regard to putting on a wig by a woman. Certainly they also spoke in the light of their knowledge of psychology as understood by Farida my cousin. Those who may want verify our claims can check Fathul bari and Al-halal wal Haram by Qardawi.
With regard to football also I believe there are more advanced reasons more than just issue of timing when it comes to prayers and part of these reasons is one of the trivial nature of foot ball as a pastime.
Well, It is still a good one Fyne.
Wallahu A'lam
Salam,
Waziri thanx for the highlights and Fyne dyme, I love the point u made about loving the inner thingy in a person rather than wateva.. thnaks for reminding all of da peeps here!!
waziri.. do meeh a favor and tell my takwara wut i juss told u....plzzzz... her name means UNIQUE!
and i read in a commentary in the Qur'an that a woman who wears wigs is cursed...
plus, its FAKE! how fake do women have to portray themselves in order to get attention?? ?? ?? he's probably making fun of it! a beg, ma broda, lecture her for meeh!
tell her to kick up her self-esteem and stop trying to change the way she is cuz of her "husband"... if she has to please him, she can do it intellectually... not as a pleasurable looking object!
WIGS are HARAM... bai da amfani... gahin doki.. gashin akwiya... plastic... fake! fake! fake!.. by the way, he knows its juss not her hair.. so why bother?...
aaaaaaaahhhhhhh....... isssuessssssss!
oooohhhhh orite, borg, gotcha... but they have muslim female outfits for sports now ;D if i find the website, i'll let u know..
kameel.... plz.. no force ur wifey to be fake.. ;D ka ji ko!
Queen,
Most assuredly I will pass across ur message to her but to add on to your findings. I too am inclined towards agreeing wit u that putting on a wig is Haram when the intention is to hoax or deceive or appear fake. But in her case I don't think she fakes... I think she and her husband all understand it to be a sort of ornamentation.
And in regard to being natural or loving one for himself... I believe It is the reality of life which all of us will come to terms with as we grow in age and experience: Humanbeings do not stay themselves always, we naturally put on an impression or action in the hope of securing more attention.
Finally, Now as a dedicated brother I tell u this hoping that it will help u in your matrinonial relationship. MAN'S WEAKNESS as regards to women is not their sharp intellect but their appealing PHYSIQUE; while women remain soft for words man remains soft for what is physical about women. I think I will post something like "what women want in men and vice versa"
Farida indeed means Unique or DISTINGUISHED and true to God my cousing is such unique as U r. She has never scored less 80% in any subject and 4 ova 20 yrs now I learn a new thing anyday I see her. She has commited Qur'an to her memory and some 2000 hadith. I think I should get her E-mail u. I believe u will be useful to each other since u share something in common, atleast when two elephants meet....
I pray I will not be the grass that will be around to suffer that day.
I m most grateful
QuoteQueen,
Finally, Now as a dedicated brother I tell u this hoping that it will help u in your matrinonial relationship. MAN'S WEAKNESS as regards to women is not their sharp intellect but their appealing PHYSIQUE; while women remain soft for words man remains soft for what is physical about women.
ooooooh.... that juss pushed my button.. amma, i wont say anything mean... ::)
THERE'S A REASON WHY ALLAH PREFERS A WOMAN TO BE COVERED IN A MODEST FASHION.... SO MEN WILL NOT VIEW US AS OBJECTS...
but if u prefer to marry a woman because of her looks and kwalya.. proceed... u'll be very disappointed.. because u dont expect her to be "made-up" 24/7... and by the time she hits old age nko?
its the intellect, the character, the wisdom, simply the beauty WITHIN that counts...
apealing physique ke? physique ni? i will NEVER (insha Allah ?;D) try to modify anything about meeh.. to fit "his" perfect image of beauty...
he can go siddown for one corner.. i nevah bother 'am.. why he go bother meeh....
I know my Creator didnt make no mistakes on me! i'm luvin' wut i seeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
Am I less of a lady if I dont where panty hose?
My momma said a lady aint what she wears but what she knows,
But I've drawn the conclusion, it's all an illusion
Confusion's the name of the game
A misconception, a vast deception,
Something got to change
~India.Arie~
Mister Wazzz... tell her to join KO.. then i'll private mesg her... ;D
No, Fyne it is a free world u should have said everything, no matter how mean; IT IS A FREEWORD. I think my mind is designed in such a way that it can contain what ever is it from all, no matter how filthy and stenchy that may be. Fyne, by God I give u the licence: You can talk to me anyhow with the most of familiarity if u wish and I will never take it "to" STRONG.
It appears like u were contesting my conclusions as quoted in the above post?
Well the truth is - though I don't blame u - u r more inclined towards what is the IDEAL as most people do, ignoring the reality.
You see the fact that it is said that men should go 4 women with intellect or in ur words "the beauty within" impliedly means that men apreciate more the beauty without. :-X
The fact that India Arie as quoted by you crafted those verses craving for attention from another cone-angle means that men always prefer ladies with "panty hose". :-X
Fyne Dame, while u r saying the IDEAL I on my part am only stating the real ne kawai, Shikenan!! And while u insist that the IDEAL most be kept I maintain that for a better result the real also must be considered. :-X
Being me a student of Usul Al-fiqh and ofcourse a technologist by training, I know that wisdom means merging the IDEAL and REAL and that is why I preach 4 women to strive to achieve a height in their appreciation of intellectual discourses. This, they must acheive in consonance with their effort to appear more attractive to their husbands. :-X
Finally, I as Waziri may not necessarily identify with the crowd in their pursuit of what is physical about women. I may likely marry 4 those reasons as outlined by the prophet of Islam. But the truth remains the way it is as framed by our omnicient creator of the universe and as engraved in the psychology of men that they should go 4 the physique of women.
So Allah made laws that women who fear Him should where veil that they may not tempt men and Jinns alike.
Fyne I really love this interaction. I sincerely pray that u will continue with ur efforts in understanding your religion.
I have spoken to my cousin about u and K. online now what remains is 4 her to discuss it with her husband 1st before she communicates back to us or even join us at K. Online.
Thanks you all the same. Till you come up again with your dazzling ideas again.
QuoteI have spoken to my cousin about u and K. online now what remains is 4 her to discuss it with her husband 1st before she communicates back to us or even join us at K. Online.
So........she has 2 ask her husband b/4 she can even cum onlineeeeeeee :-/ taut that only applies 2 things such as goin 4 weddins, visits, & things of such kynd..........where did this Islamic ruling emerge from? .... that a woman has to ask her husband before she can come online? Mayb recently ko? Plz any1 who has an insight shud plz acknowledge me in this aspect of I have to ask maigida to come online. Neva did I come across it in d Qur'an. Anyways juss wantin 2 know more :-X
sALAM SIS
NO NO UM**TA, NO ONE MENTIONED NADA ABOUT THAT BEING IN THE QURAN OR SO....IT JUST SO HAPPENS THATS HOW WAZIRI'S COUSIN AND HER HUBBY ROLL....
SHE MIGHT BE THE TYPE THAT TALKS TO HER HUBBY AND SEEKS HIS ADVICE B4 PROCEEDING TO DO ANYTHING.... SUM HUBBYZ LIKE IT THAT WAY TOO.....
AND DON T FORGET ITS QUITE PERSONAL TO BOTH HER AND THE HUSBAND , WHAT WAZIRI IS POSTING HERE.... SO I THINK HER HUBBY DOES ACTUALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW. COZ HE MIGHT NOT WANT HIS AND/OR HIS WIFEY'S AFFAIR EXPOSED.....ETC
SOOO ITS REALLY BO BIG DEAL HERE....
NOT THAT I WILL GO TO THAT EXTENT...BUT SINCE SHE AGREED TO DO AS SUCH AND WILLINGLY..... I RESPECT THAT.
AIIGHT 1 LUV
HEYYYYYY DYMEEEEE UR EVIL...U NEVA TOLD ME BOUT THIS PLACE.....
MALAM WAZIRI....UR TRYING TO SAY THAT GUYZ R ATTRACTED TO GURLZZZ SABODA THEIR BEAUTY ONLY AND WHILE THE GURLS ARE ATTRACTE.......(U KNOW WHAT U SAID)..... AHHHHH THANK GOD DYME ALREADY GAVE EXCELLENT POINTS....IF NOT ...DA NA GIVING MY OWN LECTURES...
AHH I CANT BELIEVE I MISSED OUT ON THAT ONE....
ANYWAYZ THANX DYME POR SU CABEZA LOL
SALAM
I WALK OUT
ummita... trust men to twist issues... juss trust them to twist issues.... ::)
as for u waziri... ok, so u prefer to judge a woman by her "physique"... no worry, if we start judging u by ur wallet size, ur cars, and also the "physique"... we'll see how u guys end up... *i'm talkin men in general*
plus just because men expect us to be "physiquely" dont mean we'll lower ourselves and break our necks to live up to "men's" expectations or preference...
fulani pesin... anh anh.. i forgotted!
lol can't believe i missed all this
lol!....meeeee tooooo!!!!
Na wa for u guys, lol
I think i will like to respond to some topics raised here at a later date,ma'asalam