Some People like lookin at the Big picture while others prefer to look at the much smaller one.
You can choose to Put me wherever u like.
Now as I have said time and again.......
We the Northerners are facing what i call a "propaganda war"
You see first it was the arabs then Fulani's and now we are back to the arabs.
1) if the americans and the British can fund Missionary schools why cant Saudi Arabia fund Shariah Implementation (do we remember the Zamfara case... that is if it was actually true at all). I am sure the friend that posted this was actually fermenting over the Arabs inclination to fellow muslims.
2) USA gives Israel ALL the money and weapon they need to kill Palestinians for what? Saudi Arabia Doesnt even fund Jihadists that we know lawfully own those lands....e.g next door Kashmir,Chechenya,Philipines and Palestine.
3) When we Talk of arabs we are generally talkin of Muslims. If americans can have feelings for East Timor why cant Arabs and generally speaking Good Muslims have feelings for one another?3) When we Talk of arabs we are generally talkin of Muslims. If americans can have feelings for East Timor why cant Arabs and generally speaking Good Muslims have feelings for one another?
4) The Greatest Weapon in todays World is Television. Cnn..... a seven jew operated media is one of the most poisonous weapon today. It has poisoned the minds of so many Americans in turn poisoning the minds of innocent non american christians( works like a chain america is the biggest christian economy). This nasty/mean/cheap though highly effective weapon (propaganda) is Banned in Islam. check out after September 11th within 3hrs they showed so many people rejoicing especially Palestinis...... why did they do that??? Well simply to rub salt on the freshly cut wounds of the american people. To instigate hatred for muslims and palestinis especially. Havent u seen after sept 11th Israel became more aggressive? Am sure yur wise enough to guess why! Lets face it... what good had america done to make Muslims sad for this otherwise geniune tragedy?
5) Like every sucessful company these Kafirs have a small sometime independant networks. Honestly i dont think the person that pastes this hatred journals was funded by the west..... But he Is doing a Great Job..... Trying to devide us. FACE IT! DONT HIDE THE REAL FEELING!
6) there's an Ayyah in the Qur'an and as such u cant deny its TRUTH. It's translated as "THEY CAN NEVER BE YOUR FRIENDS"
and that refers to non-muslims.
I DO NOT HATE NON MUSLIMS NOR DO I HAVE ANY GRUDGES AGAINST FELLOW HUMANS. BUT TRY TO PLAY WITH INNOCENT MUSLIM MINDS AND YOU'LL SURELY SEE I BACKFIRE!
Ma salamz 2 all,
Brova Alee, I've read all wat u've put up there. Well frankly speaking I dont get it. Although it cleary gives a gud description about how bad you feel about the whole war going on. Yeah we all feel quite the same way you do. But then again, all of us here, I du belive none practises judaism thus, this targets the wrong group.
But to carry on further on this issue, Of course Saudi give funds to give rise 2 shariah, not only that all muslim countries do that. Eeven in Nija, muslim ummah duz help by givin funds which is being used inappropriately!!
if u look at it this way US is very good when it comes to brainwashin ppl......then comes propaganda media...how wud u feel cumin home from work juss 2 settle down to Tv & c wats happenin about palentinians & obviously a one sided story.
With regards to back ups or allies, look at it this way, where were countries like Turkey, Iraq,Iran,Kuwait, & other muslims countries? Where were they when when innocent ppl were shot dead on high street, children killed, mass murder was on its peak withpool of blood everywhere.!!! Where were these countries that call theirselves muslim? If at all these countries regard theirselves as part of d Muslim Ummah, then they shud b ready it stand for beta or worse...2 pakistan/Afgan or even Palestine.. They simply & absolutely did nothing. They backed out. Infact these Afghan were the onces helpin US to base their artilleries & weapons in their area!! Now you tell me how can these helpless countries fight back countries like US......when they hadly have guns but use stones to strike back, when none of these muslim countries are willing to join up!! Infact I dont think US will deflate out of d bloom juss like that havin only one helpless muslim country fightin bck!! That is simply impossible.
Wat also provoked these war crisis, is the Osama issue. honestly speaking, I know he is fighting for Islam, he has done his duty as a muslim, but then again we have 2 ask this What does US really want? They simply want Bin Laden......
They didnt really took part when Isralites where on Palestinians but then afta wat happened with regards 2 d sep d 11th......it sparked off & provoked US.
This issue of the war thing, theres nothing we can do about it, for even subhanawata'ala say that none shaul handle or can handle these forsaken ppl none alone but me" anoda verse states that Palestinian/Isralites will neva leave in peace but forever will they b enemies for so many decennial yrs.
So it is best for Allah to handle them. All I can say is Allah ya dora muslims aken makiyer!
Assalamu Alaikum
I think the writer of this post has some unjustified claims regarding jews and America. Jews whether we like it or not are hard working. Are they mean? yes. Are they arrogant? yes. Are they killing arabs? yes. But then, does that mean all jews are wicked and stupid?
Regarding Hausa connection to Arabs, this is as unseparable as the confluence of the Niger and Benue rivers. Places like Kano actually have large Arab population, which indicates why, most people here think they are our brothers. Most importantly, they are mostly Muslim and, in Islam, religious not blood or geographical brotherhood matters most ( Mus'ab Ibn Umair's biography should serve as my evidence).
But then, we must say that the Arabs have taken nationalism as their approach to the problems facing them currently, hence mistreating all others including Hausa Muslims.
To wrap up, I must say that Saudia does not directly channel funds towards the implementation of Sharia, but even if they do, they must be commended not condemned. As for propaganda, I believe muslims must counter it with equal vigor or else risk being seen as the oppresors even though we re clearly the victims.
Bissalam
Yeah, ummitah kinyi gaskiya, I think duk borin kunya ne don US sun kasa kamo Bin Ladan... Allah ya gyara. Amin
QuoteAssalamu Alaikum
I think the writer of this post has some unjustified claims regarding jews and America. Jews whether we like it or not are hard working. Are they mean? yes. Are they arrogant? yes. Are they killing arabs? yes. But then, does that mean all jews are wicked and stupid?
Bissalam
Yeah u r tight but then again, since Allah has declared them as our enemies they are. That means it doesnt depend on individuality, all of them r jews, they worship Messiah, they are against Islam, they hate but wud love to see the downfall of Islam, they r tryin their outmost to degrade Islamicity, they wud love to conquer d world so that makes them all wicked. Mayb if u say Individuality...
Wat makes a jew?...an unbeliver, against Islam, wearin black robes, with two jingle bells (hair) at each side, long goaties who r always roamin about with ten 2 13 of their kids behind 'em, with two white ropes by each side of their trouser...they say it keeps their faith. But wat really makes a complete jew? A complete jew is totally an unbeliver of Islam a propa defination of all them jews..they r humans who hate Islam with a passion!!!!!!
& Alee, Allah yace, wat Allah has said their'z no change. He said we will always be in war agaisnt Jews and they wud do the same, but he stated that victory will b 4 d muslims, so even though zillions r being killed, we have none other but raise our hands above our heads and pray 4 surely victory will b ours 4 I have no doubt & am sure u also have no doubts in Allahs sayingz!!.
2 digress this issue a bit is that, d funny thing is d similarities we have with regards 2 religious rules, they dont eat pork neither do we, their women r not allowed 2 show off their hair, their hair is always unders a wigvery similar with us..thou ours muss b unda scarves, similarly they wear tops that covas down their selves, they eat kosher we eat kosher as well.......Isnt that a lil strangey :-/
Indeed & without doubt, Allah is best 2 judge 'em
1) You need to read about kamal ata turk.
2) Did you know taliban is the brain child of ISI ?
3) How is Taliban fighting USA? with no food and ammuinition?
where's it all commin from?
4) do u know of druz? (pronounced Duruuz) the idol worshipers of lebanon and syrian mountains? they are very similar to the Ahla-Kitab (people of the book) which includes jews,christians and muslims....... should we in that sense show any level of leniancy in case they proove to be a threat?
OH I DO STROGLY BELIEVE IN WHAT A GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT "Arabs have taken nationalism as their approach to the problems" HOW HAS IT HAPPENED MY DEAR? WHY HAS IT HAPPENED?
okay yes jews are hard working...... very true. I personally know of a jew that jointly runs a tannery with a REAL AND MUSLIM HAUSA GUY in kano. though i'll keep the mans name a secret. but when i am talkin of my outrage its against the ones propergating evil..... Any jew that believes in the existance of Israel as a lawfull state.........
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let me put it this way which is very very easy to understand.
when you go fishing..... You have a bait. the fish lures to where this easy prey is and takes a bite. What happens next?
Bam! its dead meat.
Ladies and gentlemen we are the fishes
Quotebut when i am talkin of my outrage its against the ones propergating evil..... Any jew that believes in the existance of Israel as a lawfull state.........
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Yeah I knew that there was no point in ur ranting.....so I did taut it muss b sum sort of rage & fury that is burnin u inside..........There r beta ways u can make a difference showin ur concerns on these helpless countries in war ..........how about buyin combat gears, slungin a rifle on ur arm....& shoutin Allah & matchin in2 d front zone........then yeah, indeed I will say u've done ur duty as a jihadist!!!
I strongly disagree, we are no trappeed fishes on d rods of a fisherman, thus, we r not held in captive in the hands of jews........the only thing is Allah knows how to play us all...& he plays us juss like puppets........he can change anything wheneva he feels like it.
So Alee plzzzzzzzzzzzz take it easy......we r all not happy of this situation that palestines have fallen in2......but d door swings both ways.........If they devour us us.....surely Allah will strike back!!!
& lastly Alee Brova.............wat is this topic really about? Is it showin how very much u r against jews or simply statin out facts of wat they have been doin? Orrrrrr...........juss rantin on & on
Assalamu alaykum and greetings brother Al-Hamza. I don't actually understand your cleary. When we talk of Muslims we are not talking of Arabs. And really who are the infidels you are talking of. Please explain by replying or you may send me e-mail. Jazakillah khair.
Quote4) The Greatest Weapon in todays World is Television. Cnn..... a seven jew operated media is one of the most poisonous weapon today. It has poisoned the minds of so many Americans ?in turn poisoning the minds of innocent non american christians( works like a chain america is the biggest christian economy). This nasty/mean/cheap though highly effective weapon (propaganda) is Banned in Islam. check out after September 11th within 3hrs they showed so many people rejoicing especially Palestinis...... why did they do that??? Well simply to rub salt on the freshly cut wounds of the american people. To instigate hatred for muslims and palestinis especially. Havent u seen after sept 11th Israel became more aggressive? Am sure yur wise enough to guess why! Lets face it... what good had america done to make Muslims sad for this otherwise geniune tragedy?
I quite agree wid you, but yet the greatest is the United Nations Organisation, UNO. These people, US, UK, and Iseriel use it against all of us, the helpless countries, the poor, and the muslim ummah, and frame us underneath it. The Iraqi war will hold: The US is only waiting for the UN, a weapon to disarm Saddam and make him weaker, to bring in more intelligence to work on...and to get more soldiers elsewhere, preferably Europe and Russia. This is all that awaits.
THEY WILL NEVER BE OUR FRIENDS: correct, but too bad we are too much into them, thats our personal problem. The problem is we ourselves are not clean enough...and few, only few bearly undersand and believe it. If most still dont, we can never be better.
QuoteWat also provoked these war crisis, is the Osama issue. honestly speaking, I know he is fighting for Islam, he has done his duty as a muslim, but then again we have 2 ask this What does US really want? They simply want Bin Laden......
They didnt really took part when Isralites where on Palestinians but then afta wat happened with regards 2 d sep d 11th......it sparked off & provoked US.
Ummitah, I've heard all that you said, but...you honestly believe its Osama this guys want?, look at the big picture, the democrats are back into power in the US, and the republicans are gone. It has always been the democrats innitiative to destroy Islam, Osama is just an opurtunity, besides 9-11 was a setup, believe it or not. It might not be done by Isereal but it has to be the jewish nation. They always wanted this war and they are having it. The last time the democrats were on, was Bush senior. You can remember what happened, cant you?. Whats wid Osama, Iraq, now Iran and other lil places like afghan....I'll tell u what, Islam. Arabia was going to be included a while ago, but they were`nt ready. They still need its betrayal and oil. Take a minute to analyse all this, The muslims only hope is to create an Islamic Union among our countries...then ofcause an Islamic nation. And setforth rules and laws of protection. If one place is touched...its gotta be the whole nation. I swear, the muslim nation will be a great success only if it is composed. The muslim nations have great wealth, and trade... but are decieved by the west. We just have to face it, it wount happen coz the muslims and islamic countries are selfish and also adore and want to be like America. So the talks wounld not go anywhere.
I wonder if K-online could suggest to OIC, Organisation of Islamic Countries about this, what thier reaction would be, but certainly it would be worthless. I do not only pity Islamic countries, but anoyed of them also. In either ways, we have to be united to progress.
fantastic..
Let me say, first of all, that Osama Bin Laden (if indeed he is responsible for the September 11 disaster) did the Palestinian cause the greatest disservice ever. Why? Because prior to Spetember 11, there was an exceeding amount of pressure on Israel concerning the palestinian problem, even from the U.S. (under clinton, dubya didn't do squat there). Ebrahim and al hamza can any of you name any other stauch supporter of Israel apart from the U.S. and perhaps Britain? Even the EU is slightly leaning towards the palestinian cause. Ibro2g I have worked for the UN NGOs and affiliates and i think you are grossly mistaken when you describe the U.N. as the greatest enemy to the palestinians. lol what? Have you been following any of the General Assembly resolution on the matter over the past decade? If you did, you'd know that in its resolutions the overwhelming majority of U.N. members have condemned Israel's actions in palestine, with sometimes as few as six dissenters. This was even more so during the clinton years. The U.N has been powerless so far largely because of the U.S almighty presence in the Security Council.
However, the September 11 disaster changed the way the International community saw the conflict. The danger and horror of Islamic fundamentalism was perfectly demonstrated to the Americans and European countries, who found out the the attack was planned in their backyard. I even remember some journalists saying that the Israel was 'grimly satisfied' that the U.S had now been properly exposed to what they had to fight everyday. Before suicide bombers were just crazy ppl several miles away in some unknown country, now they were right in their face. Now all we hear about is war on terrorism; the U.S. and subsequently E.U. countries have adopted a zero-tolerance policy on terrorism. The message was now clear to Yasser Arafat to rid himself and the palestinians of the Hamas and other terrorist launching terrorist attacks on Israel. lsrael simply said Yasser arafat was a terrorist as their excuse for non-negitiation, now the U.S. has said that there must be new leadership in the PLO for the peace process to go on.
I've heard an amazing amount of bitter hatred towards Jews and Americans from ppl that are supposed to be tolerant; yet i haven't heard a word of reproach for the suicide bombers. Some one here even said Osama was doing his duty to Islam! Guys abeg, lets not get carried away by emotion. Unless you're telling me that it is perfectly legitimate in Islam and that there is indeed a big reward for them in heaven (which is their ideology). Terrorist groups have painted Islam in a very bad light in the West, and thanks to the U.S. propaganda machine, many ppl are buying it. There will never be peace in that place as long as terrorist groups are alive and have an audience. Something for you to chew on al hamza!
I don't think any party to this conflict can absolve themselves of blame, not even the Arab states. What have they done for the palestinian cause apart from secretly funding terrorist groups? Also I would also like al hamza and co. to amswer ummita's question about the muslim 'allies' no-show.
MY THOTS FLOWWWWING!
i juss have to point out that..OSAMA does NOT represent EVERY muslim...!!!!! personally.. i dont like him!
suicide bombers? i doubt they're going to heaven... ::)...
killing innocent people? i know Islam CONDEMNS that and so do I!
people rejoicing about sept 11?... heck, people from south america, asia, europe and africa celebrated... anti-american feelings is not only with muslims... its international, due to US policies...
in my skool in Venezuela... our principal was kidnapped.. and we had TWO BOMBS planted... i bet if it were muslims who did that, the WHOOOOOOLE WORLD would know that... :-/
and correct meeh if i'm misinformed... some time ago.. wasnt an NNPC building burnt? in the south?... if it was north, oh boi, we woulda made HEADLINES!
then again... wut about the american muslims?... i went to high skool in a US base.. and we are always under the threat of terrorist attacks... its not a very enjoyable position... (we had luts of sports trips cancelled.. :'(. and sometimes we had to go to skool at 5am... or 1pm... >:( )
danger and horror of Islamic fundamentilism?... ok lemme juss say, the WAR between US Gov't and Al-Qaeda is unfortunately affecting americans and muslims... its soo sad we all have to get caught up in the mix...
one group is fighting in the name of democracy and human rights (yeah rrrrrright)... the other group fighting in the name of Islam (yeah rrrrright)
(ps...the US created Laden.. so whatever is b/w them will remain b/w them...)
i wonder wut they will use next.. "buddhist fundamentalists" or "north korean radicals"? conflicts take place.. but that doesnt mean we should lay it on a whole nation! la verdad?
wut about "Latino Terrorists"... latinos are mostly catholics.. those colombian catholics killing innocent people should be highlighted too...
i remember all that hype about cubans and japanese... and germans... and oh we have many evil people ooooo!
the native americans killing missionaries... we hardly hear that, right? oh... well!
Rebels in African nations... wut religion are they? lets all go ahead and label them terrorists!!!!!! but wait.. it kinda doesnt affect america... so naaaww... no use to broadcast it and stress about it... ::) ..... let it be "forgotten"...
Arafat and palestinians are terrorists.... but sharon and israelis are not?.... :-/ puh-leeeeeeeez!!!!!!! >:(
well, sharon's past actions is not always broadcasted (but they sabi stress saddam and hitler) and we dont get to hear about jewish terrorists organizations.... WELL EDUMACATE URSELF...
personally... i tink... both parties need GOD!
well lets see.... countless villages in vietnam were MASSACRED bbbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyyyy AMERICAN SOLDIERS!!! but lets bury that in history..sssshhh dont talk about it... lets not think of prosecuting the US leaders in charge...
hmm... juss dont talk about taking an american soldier to court.. they're SPECIAL(?) above the law (?)..
and u wonder why Koreans SPIT at americans!
wut about treatment of blacks in US... why bring up old stuff ko? suuuuurrrrre... why bother.. even if it happens a second ago.. its always OLD STUFF!
Dick Cheney was opposed to Mandela's release...whut? he supported Apartheid? oh well who cares..he's an american and white.. so he can slip... forget i reminded u :-X
ok.. so jews and white people control the media... CNN... Fox news.. etc ...etc.. well, they didnt put a gun to our heads and they didnt stop us from putting up our OWN news network! or did they? ???
Over all... i salute the Muslim organizations, private and public, that are preaching the true ISLAM!...
and i also pray that Allah blesses and forgives the Muslims who are out there taking care of Islam's image in the PROPER ISLAMIC way...
but some of us really need to wake up and stop with the hypocrisy, finger pointing, insults, hatred spreading and all the negative things! (its not helpin much) :-/
we really need to stop blaming others for our setbacks and strive for the best.. starting with US!... as individuals!!!!!!
so there is a propaganda war?.... if we did everything for the cause of God... why should we bother about it?
if we are not guilty of misbehaving... why should we vex?
if we're not confident enuff... then why should we even open our mouths?
if we didnt do things that made them use us as scapegoat... would they have the guts to say anything?
as a black muslim woman.... d@mn skippy, i got issues to tackle!!! but i wont let that bring meeh down.. and i WONT stay paranoid!!!
educate the people who approach u with ignorant or good questions... set an excellent example... and be true to ur game!
i've been living with the "enemy" almost my whoooole life... but i have NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER EVER given anyone the impression that i'm weak, violent, or a terrorist! *woman, black, muslim*
so help meeh GOD!
Most discussions carried out on this board are instigated by self-indulgence laden with deceitful misconceptions and hearsay rather than true histories of the subject matter. For any body to insinuate that the geographical areas defined as Jordan, Israel and Palestinian territories belong to Arabs alone shows how little the person knows about the history of Middle East. Of course, there were many Jews from Europe after the World War Two. However, there were many Jews who are native to these territories that never moved from Middle East ever. The Palestinian issue is the creation of defeated Arabs and Islamic movement. People should pay tribute to the commission set in 1917 and headed by lord Belfour. The Belfour declaration of 1922 set out to create two states out of British control territory-the state of Israel and Trans-Jordan, the later for Arabs. The artificial problem of the Palestinians started immediately after the creation of Israeli State in 1948. Before 1948, it must be recalled that the State of Jordan had being created in 1940 for Arabs including Palestinians. The Islamic world and Arabs frowned at the instance of a non-Islamic state of Israel being borne in the Middle East. The Arab League, under the leadership of the irascible secretary-general Abdul Rahman Persa, declared war on the newly created Israeli State. It will be recalled that the Arab League had ordered the Palestinians to flee their homes else the Palestinians would be massacred along with the Jews when the Arab armies descended on the new Israeli State. Of course, the Palestinians heeded to the order of their Arab brethren and ran away. However, the ensuing war did not favor the Arabs as the young Jewish State routed the Arab armies and captured territories from the fleeing Arab armies. Rather than the Arabs and the Islamic movement sue for peace with the Jewish State, they engaged the Israeli State in three subsequent wars that resulted in three defeats and lost of territories to Israeli State. Now, rather than the vanquish take the seat of a defeated flock on negotiating table with the victor, the Arabs used their newly found influence-crude oil and large amount money in the UN to reinvent history and incidents that took place in the region since 1940. The Islamic movement and Arabs created PLO as means of covering up their humiliating defeats in the hands of Israeli State. Honestly speaking, Israel had no business discussing the issue of land with Palestinians because the pieces of Lands in dispute were not captured from Palestinians. It is rather unfortunate that Arabs have succeeded in dragging Islamic religion into this shameful mess of terrorism and blackmail. As for the moron called Osama Bin Laden, he is an irrepressible coward. If the clown was fighting for Palestinian cause, he should have been operating in the West Bank where the Israelis would have made example out of him. It must be recalled that when the USA was supporting the Arabs in 1940s, the Arabs and Muslims did not see USA as an evil country. My advice to the Arabs and Muslims is that they should wake up before ship set sailing.
hi FDQ
I think I should apologise for my use of the term 'islamic fundamentalism'. That was quite stupid of me; it incited a listing of all other examples of terrorist acts by the U.S. and other terrorist groups all over the world, points which in fact i agree with 100%. Yes, America created bin Laden - in fact they also created Saddam Hussein. G.W. Bush should be asking his father some serious questions about the mess he started. Yes there are many other terorists in the world such as those in Latin America, Africa and so on. However, the subject of this thread is the plight of the palestinians and unfortunately, religious fundamentalism is a factor that cannot be ignored. Because I said so emphatically does not mean that I think they are the only terrorists in the world!
FDQ's post provokes me to say how sympathetic I feel towards the 'moderate' real muslims out there, especially those I know personally, who have been caught up in this mess. A year ago I was complaining to my Egyptian friend about the hassles, suspicious looks, and shabby treatment I get from overseas airport officials who unilaterally conclude that, for instance, i'm way too african to hold first class ticket so i must be a 419er. She replied by saying, 'yea they think you are corrupt, but they don't think you're a terrorist!' The sadness in her eyes struck me deeply. On another occasion, shortly after the Sept. 11 thing, I was waiting with other ppl for the elevator and when it opened, we saw several obviously arab men with dark beards all clad in white. I was the only on who stepped into the lift at that level, even though there was space for much more. I remember looking at the man next to me, who smiled nervously. Chei..the world we live in.
My earlier post was to challenge some ppl who were blaming the west and Israel for all that is happening to the palestinians today, and those who think osama is a freedom fighter. We have to be objective when looking at these situations...an 'us vs them' stance does not anybody justice. As I said b4 no party can claim innocence in this matter. Btw ummita, if indeed Jews are enemies of Islam, then can you explain the existence of Jewish Muslims? Or are they just wannabes?
FDQ there r so many things i'd like to say about ur comments, but I'll just say this about the 'buddhist and latino terrorists':
Like I said b4 the fact that I finger religious fundamentalism as one of the many fuels for the raging fire of the middle east does not mean that I do not consider others terrorists. That said, when was the last time you heard of buddhist terrorists (and by that i take it u're probably refering to the Sri Lankan govt. in its brawl with the tamil tigers)? When was the you heard of north korean radicals killing innocent ppl? Finally on your point about colombian catholics killing ppl: In case you're refering to those rebels, 'm not catholic, but there's nothing catholic about them. Never have I once heard any of them invoke the name of Jesus (or God) to kill innocent ppl. Those guys are drug dealers, and if u think thre U.S. doesn't care about them, think again!
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I've heard an amazing amount of bitter hatred towards Jews and Americans from ppl that are supposed to be tolerant; yet i haven't heard a word of reproach for the suicide bombers. Some one here even said Osama was doing his duty to Islam! Guys abeg, lets not get carried away by emotion. Unless you're telling me that it is perfectly legitimate in Islam and that there is indeed a big reward for them in heaven (which is their ideology). Terrorist groups have painted Islam in a very bad light in the West, and thanks to the U.S. propaganda machine, many ppl are buying it. There will never be peace in that place as long as terrorist groups are alive and have an audience. Something for you to chew on al hamza!
L'ger.....Am absolutely with you on this one. if u look at it this way.....say from my own point of view......I say.....Osama hasnt helped out......frankly speaking he has made matters worse!! They had their evil eyes on Islam, they wanted a way...they were seeking and in search of a priviledge and Osama opened up the doors to them, and led them through with open hands. Things were good before the Sep 11th.....Osama got a crew of innocent muslims.....with proper intentions and headed right into these two massive buildings. Is that what you call Jihad? I dont think so...a jihad...or a jihadist is someone with a clear mind who has headed out for war....for self defence, having in mind that he/she would not kill without no genuine reason. but then, what is the genuine reason that Osama bombarded that trade center? Is that what one calls jihad...looking for trouble at its own expense and henceforth...endangering the lives of innocent ppl?
I dont think he was doing what you call a proper mind-opened jihad, I'd say he was not open minded.
Infact now Osama has provoked and has caused a blackist hatred for muslims, he has done enough damage fighting for justice for Islamicity..fair enough, but I think he has done the worst damage...now all muslims are regarded terrorist, all muslims are regaded evil & dangerious therefore all non-muslims should be aware and keep away, now all those mass killing..........is it only about the palensitinians & Isralites or it has a great connection for their outrage for Osama agaisnt Palestines?!!!! Now if at all justice is all that he is seeking for. Why in hiding..? Why cant he just come out and keep fighting for justice? Wats the point of bombarding a building down and vanishing into thin air? he should have just come out...and let what ever proceed......who knows mayb if he was out ages ago..mayb he would have long forgotten he has signed a peace treaty!!!!!
Yes Osama is a muslim leader, who is very partiotic and fighting for justice, he blew up d trade center down to the level of wat they now call ground zero....Yes! I for one is a true muslims believer...........Osama is couragoues, he loves his religion, he was hailed for blowing the trade center...yet we must not forget that those who hailed him..are now the onces duffering..Those who said he did the right thing are now facing major massive problems....What ounce of good does it o to eliminate a problem out of the blue and hide away into total darkness, I only hear what he speaks of in a video tape.....but am still leaving in fear? So also we must proceed with caution that not all the jews r to be blamed!!
& Finally Egede, none is of us..or shud I say I for one.....am not soooo into Bin Laden.....so I belive anyone has a say in this Osama followers or anti-Osamas..Any1 can say I belive he did the right thing or I disapprove he did the wrong thing!!!. I see no shame with fighting over a piece of land. To digress this issue a bit check out out places in the south and see how they raise world war over of farm land ::). Ok wat was the main problem with respect to Palestines & Isralites? You can ask a million ppl and you will still get the same reply.........its over that piece of land!!! & when you speak of arabs dragging Islam into the mess of terrorism & black mail.........I say that it total crap........Speaking of Terrorism! I taugth the Afghans were labelled the toppest terrorists........are they Arabs Egede? Blackmail! if you say blackmail, Who are the real blackmailers.....that didnt try & broker a peace settlement but hence..brainwashed one head of d two warheads. In a way am I referring blackmailers as Americans and in that sense are they arab?
Think deep and rominate......Theres no point of going up & down and looking for meaningless clauses to bck up your opinion for this war crisis....Its common sense! Judgements shud always come from a two sided weighed facts..... not your one sided opinion story
bismillah
Assalamu alaykum and greetings to all. Brother Al-Hamza you still have not replied to some very interesting questions. I don't actually understand your cleary. It is said in your topic: when we talk of Arabs we are talking of Muslims. I would like to know how is that so? And really who are the infidels you are talking of. Because there are many Christians and also people of the Jewish faith who have become wonderful Muslims, we must give people a chance to understand faith, and help our fellow neighbour when they have followed evil. And this is how the truth from God will always succeed, through mutual understanding.
Ummita, I did know where you lifted the fact that Afghans are top terrorist. However, Osama Bin Laden is an Arabic man who went to Afghanistan with his band of terrorists from the Arab world. I honestly believed that Afghans fell for his crap because of their religious affiliation. I can sense your bias tendency toward non-Muslims as you have decided to sidestep the major issue in the Middle East, thus, creation of Israeli State. The Arabs and the Islamic movement should face fact that Jewish state has come exist. I still insist that Israelis have no business negotiating over parcels of land captured from the Arab armies with Palestinians who ran away on the instigation of the Arab league. The Americans have every justification to go war against any Arab state that supports terrorism. It is not coincidence that 19 people who partook in the bombing of world trade center in New York are all Arabs and staunch followers of Islamic religion. I am not surprise about your defensive stand on this issue.
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Ok wat was the main problem with respect to Palestines & Isralites? You can ask a million ppl and you will still get the same reply.........its over that piece of land!!! & when you speak of arabs dragging Islam into the mess of terrorism & black mail.........I say that it total crap........
Think deep and rominate......Theres no point of going up & down and looking for meaningless clauses to bck up your opinion for this war crisis....Its common sense! Judgements shud always come from a two sided weighed facts..... not your one sided opinion story ? ?
one sided kam!!!!
na gode ma sista! i wonder why people always highlight the fact that its the "muslims" against "innocent jews" in the conflict!! hullo!! its land! and also water is involved!!!!... it juss happens that the two parties involved are jews and muslims... :-/ it coulda been any nation!...
ok so maybe they cry out "God is Great"... but it's ARABIC!! and arabs use those kinda phrases aaaaalllllll the time!!!.. EVEN WHEN THEY ARE JUST MUSLIMS BY NAME!!!!!.. but then again i'm in no position to say palestinians who commit the bombings are not muslims...
but how many people commit such suicide? and how many of the palestinians are out of the country fighting the other way (education)?...
besides, they were provoked.. and then they end up provoking the jews.. and then they keep on poking each other like kids.... and they should all GROW UP!
and the reason why north koreans dont go around killing.. is because they have not been oppressed to the extent that they will retaliate... face it, the palestinians are in a tight spot (i feel sorry for both sides tho)... take ur time to sit with a palestinian and ask about his/her history...
plus i was sayin'.. americans are quick to label people... and i'm wondering wut they'll label koreans "if" the beef sparks up...
since almost every race or nation had their go with such "religious/racial/tribal PROFILING"... it's a pattern... ::)
hey (lionger)... those were juss thots flowing and there were many sarcastic remarks there... iiiiiiiiii dont think u get it tho!... it was juss random thot... (i.e. not that i believe catholics are killers ofcourse, i was juss sayin..)
and then.....
arab state that supports terrorism?... ok oh.. US supported terrorism and coups and assasinations... soooooooooooooooo...? wheytin next? a beg, u think if they were 100% honest, they would be in this mess?? HONESTY IS DA BEST POLICY!...
for e.g.... they are saying saddam oppresses kurds.. well ironically, turkey does too, and US has THREE bases in turkey.. i mean c'mon! where is dee justice? juss leave america land of the brave... they have money for wars but cant feed the poor in their country...
wuts up with that country Central Republic of Africa.. or sumthin like that... do they have any conflict there?
and people wonder why i soooo love Niger.. they may only have red sand there... but the place is sooooo peaceful!
i have an innocent question.... :-/
ok.. i was wondering...
whats the difference b/w a legal war and an illegal war?
US and Taliban.... friends...
some how they betrayed each other... enemies
so dont u think the taliban are waging war against the US, "legally"? since the US went to war with talibans "legally"
or does it have to be the US who confirms wut a "legal" war is and wut an "illegal" war is?
and... innocent people get killed in "any kind of war"...
e.g. americans wiped out villages in vietman, b'cuz there MIGHT be a POSSIBILTY that a rebel/figher was living in the village...
same as 9/11?
or am i missing out on sumthing?
plus one more thing... when blacks were demanding rights and PROTECTING themselves thru black panthers, they were treated like terrorists... even the teen members were shot on sight :-/ when all they did was PROTECT blacks ...i.e. escorted them around to make sure they were not harrassed... NEVER did they lynch a white person..
yet the KKK were allowed to roam free lynching any black they please...
history repeating itself on a larger scale? bigger picture? international level?
mind u i'm not taking sides.. i have to say, i'm a product of the all the nations in conflict now.. and i dont like it at all >:(
Terrific points on the U.S. double standards, FDQ. Couldn't have said it better. G.W. Bush and his folk have made such a mess of things...and they NEVER learn from past mistakes. Now they are thinking of supporting Iraq's opposition leaders under 'regime change'. Twenty years from now they'll become the new 'axis of evil'. I've come to the conclusion that the rest of the world should have a stake in electing the president of the United States of America, so that the rest of us can hear word.
Egede1 I beg to disagree with the notion that the U.S. has every right to attack any Arab country that supports terrorism. You should know very well that their double standards coupled with scrappy and very foolish short-term planning created some of the terrorists that they are making noise about today!
Lionger i agree with u... the US is the direct cause of most of the problems the world finds itself in today. They armed Saddam, they armed and trained Bin Laden and the taliban, the truth is whenever anyone opposes them, they become the bad guys, it has nothing to do with anything else.
Does the US recognise the UN only when it bows its head to thier grand agenda? The US actually has the guts to say they are gonna form there own international coalition if the UN security council doesnt pass their next resolution on forcefully disarming Iraq. And there is so much noise on France using its veto power to block any such vote.... pple tell me, between France and the US, which has used its veto power the most?
The last time France used its veto was in 1976, over a resolution to recognize the tiny island of Mayotte as part of the newly independent state of Comoros. For the US, it was three months ago, over a resolution condemning violence in the Middle East, specifically the killing of U.N. employees by Israeli soldiers and the destruction of a U.N. warehouse filled with food for needy Palestinians.
If by any chance the US does go to war with Iraq without the backing of the security council, then i guess it will be very clear to the whole world what the US is all about
hi Borg..
U know the U.S. is not the only country guilty of double standards; many other countries are, especially those others that possess veto power in the Security Council: China, Russia, France and the U.K. These countries at times, have made the Security council very ineffective in cases where fast decision-making was sorely needed.
In an attempt to bring balance to the ever-growing anti-americanism on this forum, let me remind you guys of the Kosovo crisis a couple of years ago. Do you guys remember that occasion? Then, the Kosovar muslim albanians were being heavily persecuted by serbs in Slobodan Milsevic's quest for 'greater Serbia'. People screamed for U.N. action, but it was clear that China and especially Russia (being the 'father of all slavic peoples') would boycott any proposed use of force. Milosevic would still be conducting the same genocide today had the U.S. and NATO not taken the initiative, and without U.N. permission. Without their 'unilateral' bypass of the Security Council, your muslim brothers in Kosovo would still be persecuted today.
So its not just the U.S.; all other veto-wielding members are guilty also; they all pursue individual interests instead of collective responsibility. It's just that they are not so stupid as to be openly brazen about it, as the U.S. is. Afterall, aren't the Russians commiting atrocities against the muslim Chechnyans? Who is going to challeng them on that?
Agreed lionger... Yes they have done the right things 'sometimes' in fact they started with some very noble goals, but thats no excuse, for what the US has become today.
The arrogance they show, especially this current administration is just so out of this world. They are still the root cause of most of the problems today.
One question that bothers me more than most is - if they break the world coalition that exists now, how will the war on terrorism be fought from now on?
QuoteUmmita, I did know where you lifted the fact that Afghans are top terrorist. I can sense your bias tendency toward non-Muslims as you have decided to sidestep the major issue in the Middle East, thus, creation of Israeli State. The Arabs and the Islamic movement should face fact that Jewish state has come exist. I am not surprise about your defensive stand on this issue.
Egey, and I didnt know where you lifted the fact that I am in defense of these two-logger heads.......I will attend to you later.....lemme juss go sleep, afta my siesta, I will put u in2 light, but in the main time do a lilttle home work? When & wat tym have the jews had had claim ova d land? where did you hear that.......? Defence.......she laffs Have u senn me in Israel or Plastines or have u spotted me..on d Gaza borders?..I will b bck. Look at you, Afghans have since been labelled top terrorist.....it has even b'come an old wives tale.....& those givin Afghanz that top label who r they? U surely know who am tlkin about
well,
sorry for my absence my cable was spoilt.
let me start then,
someone talked of jordan and other nations bieng created in 1940....? thats total gibberish saying palestinians were to go there.
Palasteni's and jordani's are totally different arabs and they belong to thier respective teritories. i personally have a palestini friend that happens to be the gr8 grandson of a king from Gaza. they were thrown out how? well jews came all of a sudden bought desert lands in chunks for "big money" and then threw the arabs out, now excuse me we have a lot of labanese in kano and they own "Massive" properties. now how would it feel if they decide "ok our property is lebanon"? and no government can rule in it except lebanese. talk sense amigo!
then Ebrahim Hamza.... to tell u a fact i was very excited to see this name since i have allways wished to name my son Ibrahim (thats if i get to have one) well talkin of infidles i mean our enemies. an american out there isnt my enemy infact even a priest isnt... that is if he doesnt preach against my religion. You said we should give them a chance, do u know how Satan was driven out of the heavens? your plea is exactly like saying God should forgive shatan.(AxtaghfurAllahul azeem).
Ummita you talked of me going to jihad. Well jihad is allowed only if your Emir/ Khalifa gives you the right. Now bring in an Islamic government in Nigeria and let them ask me to do that. Insha'Allah every drop of my blood will be sacrifised for Allah (S.W.T).
commin again someone spoke of history and said that area belonged to jews originally. ok. aryans lived in that so called jewish teritory b4 the jews and had thier empire over the middle east and northern africa. With time the empire vanished and people of the aryan race migrated to today Europe,central Asia,Afghanistan,kashmir and lower northern africa. i think then both the jews and palestini's should leave in that case and make way for the aryans..... that includes me!
then again someone mentioned pan-arabism well painfully thats true and i have mentioned it alot of times to palastini friends of mine and they do accept it. Its utterly jahilanci but it doesnt mean just because the arabs are fools we continue to let them do as they wish. Islam is our religion not someone's personal property. If they do wrong we suppose to show them right.
Look its not going to be easy to change all of a sudden. for instance the boys that killed anwar sadat(he recognised israel) in Egypt... what happend to them? did they achieve? no! who came in place? the boys that co-ordinated the coup to bring back Islam or hosni mubarak? uncle Osama is clearly wise enough to know the arab cream at the moment isnt ready for a change and i guess he finds it better to do so from the outside.
Someone said america trained Taliban... give me a break.
What proof do we have that sept 11th was master minded by osama? the taliban ambasador time and again asked for proof that Osama did it and said "We will hand him over if he is responsible" but ... NO where was the proof.
then again we have a very intresting person speakin of Islamic states unifying. well do u think that over the next ten years if we merge and progress, Uncle Sam (USA) will like it? we have to fight in small units to destroy the giant. make little hurdles and belive me if you read about the afghan occupation by the red army you will surely understand.
then again someone says that Allah has Said we will win. thats very true but let me tell you of a hadith.
Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W) said "PREPARE YOUR HORSES AND WEAPONS EVERY TIME" which means we are to be prepared and armed at all time. ok yes i dont have a gun or even a knife.... whose mistake is it?
there are alot of things that i still havent talked about... am kinda tired actually but let me mention one more hadith b4 i leave.
the Nobel Prophet(S.A.W) prayed to Allah that His Ummah should not face the kind of punishments other Prophet's Ummahs did. Allah Accepted the Nobel Prayer.
then the Prophet(S.A.W) asked "Ya Allah what punishment will my Ummah face?" and Allah Replied "Money, We will give them money"
today we muslims run more for what this world has to offer and forget about the basics or at-least are not well aware of what our religion demands
Bismillah
Assalamu alaykum and greetings to all. Al Hamza, my brother your reply is appreciated, and may Allah subhana wa ta'ala grant you peace and many blessings.
Many Muslims and non-muslims alike do not clearly understand the message of Islam. The real struggle is within ourselfes to purify our hearts from sin. Remember prophet Muhammed(sallalaho alaihi wa sallam) and phrophet Isa(Jesus)(alahies salam) remember the forgiveness they had for there brothers after they had been ridiculed and humiliated by them. There behavior was not violent, but it was kind, merciful and compassionate. We must follow their example. And that is why we have faith in one God today, because someone has told us.
Al-Hamza the shayton was driven from heaven because of his deliberate disobediance. He understood very clearly what God(Allah subhana wa ta'ala) was asking of him. Many non-Musllims and also Muslims do not understand what they are doing.
Assalam,
Ebrahim, you must understand, Islam is all about the society and not just one person. Though the Prophet (S.A.W) was a Highly important figure in Islam, He still did not retaliate when He was attacked. Why? thats because The Nobel one wanted to show us tolerance. But when muslims in general were attacked there was allways a jihad that followed.
Edge1 when did USA support arabs? can you please tell?
it was Britain that did, and to me it isnt HELP they did, by breaking the sultanate and liberating the arabs of the turks.
both muslims. the final breaking of the othoman empire happened about 100years ago. B4 then it had allways been a threat and had even marched deep into europe. You see britain helped itself not the arabs by finishing turkey and putting Kamal ata turk in place. PLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR HISTORY CLASSES.
OH YES,
dear lionger,
America helped the bosnians well thats very true, did u hear of the internatinal pressure excerted? because bosnia saw the worst kind of muslim bloodshed in history. i dont need to tell you of the kinds of human rights abuse's that went on.
Now who was on the other side supporting milosovic? Russia true or false? the U.S will do anything to show Russia down and this helped the bosnians, thats it pure luck! what does america have to do with korea? especially back then when they didnt even know what economy is(the koreans)? but USA still went in because Russia was involved, so today we have two koreas, the USSR version and the USA version.
al hamza
lol are you sure you don't need to hit the history books as well? Your analysis of history is always ridiculously one-sided and incomplete. I hope you remember that the Ottoman empire was dismantled because they, along with Germany and Austria-hungary, were losers of WWI. Thier legacy in Europe is the Balkans, which ever since the demise of the empire has remained the most politically unstable part of Europe.
Your theory on milosevic holds no water, because the kosovo conflict happened in 1999, ten years after the Soviet Union collapsed and with it the Cold War. I won't say the U.S. and Russia are paddies now, but that sort of Cold war rivalry no longer exists, so your point is invalid. It might explain why the U.S. gave bin Laden, the mujaheedin and the would-be Taliban money and weapons to fight the Soviet invaders in the 1980s, without thinking about the long-term effects.
Finally I must beg you to stop preaching bigotism, intolerance and hatred on this forum. Reading some of your posts is almost like reading manifestos of islamic extremist groups like the Hamas, Hizbollah and Al Quaeda. Your reference to bin Laden as 'uncle osama' is quite shocking. You make absolute rubbish of the fact that jewish and american muslims exist in large numbers by saying that giving them a chance would amount to saying God should forgive Satan. You indirectly preach 'jihad' war against the U.S. by saying that that islamic states have to fight together to destroy the giant (U.S.) and that victory would be just like it was to the afghans against the soviets ( as if they wouldn't still be the soviets backyard if not for the U.S.). I'm surprised no-one has come out to quash this kind of thinking. The biggest problem with the people of the middle east, ?arabs and jews, is intolerance and hatred for each other. They are not ready to live in harmony and SHARE with each other. If not, how can militant Islamic groups and Ariel Sharon still enjoy overwhelming support in their respective sides? There is no love lost b/w the two. As long as that is the case, palestine will never know peace. We have got to dump this stupid war and 'us vs. them' antics. As I said on another forum, our world is getting smaller and smaller. This is not the time to divide and scatter; this is the time to unite!
Guys, guys... chillout for a sec. I can see sparks beginning to fly all over, take it easy a beg ooo!!! I dont think statements like 'go back to your history classes' are for this place, irrespective of how opposed you are to a point of view, you need to show a little restraint.
These are very sensitive topics where one poorly chosen word could smere the entire meaning of the entire argument, so before i proceed to comment, I have a few questions:
For Al Hamza
- Who do you define as a kufar and who do you term as an enemy of Islam?
- Is Bin Laden/Al Qaeda responsible for the Sept 11th attacks and the attacks on the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania? If yes were they legit targets?
- Who is the bigger enemy, the US govt or the Arab states that bow unconditionally to whatever the US wants?
For Loinger
- The term 'extremist' is relative, i depends on who is saying it. Your extremist is someones libral, your 'terrorist' is someones freedom fighter.
- If the Othman empire was desmantled along with Germany, Austria and Hungary after WWI, how come they are soveriegn nations now but not the Islamic Caliphate, is there another reason apart from WWI that the Caliphate was dimantled for?
Borg
I acknowlege the fact that groups like the Hamas and Hizbollah, which to me are extremist groups, are freedom fighters to the palestinians and lebanese, respectively
That is a sad fact. You know there is a big problem where people hail suicide bombers and militant groups that attack innocent jewish civilians as heroes. Without them, Israel would not have any excuses to occupy palestinian cities; ppl like Ariel Sharon would never smell the PM post, and intl pressure would force Israel to, at least, bring a ?momentary halt to the expansion of Jewish settlements on the West Bank. This in fact happened in the 90s, under clinton's era even with the existence of these same groups, though there was no intifada.
I've noticed that al hamza had a disclaimer after his first post indicating that he was not a 'hater' but that doesn't agree with some other posts he's been making.
lionger
My friend, you know very well that in politics there is no permanent friend but interest. I, also, hope that the Arabs and Islamic movement should be educated on this doctrine too. The Arabs enjoyed the American support during their conflicts with the Israelis in 1940s and 50s and yet, the Arabs and Islamic movement did not characterize American policy as double standard then. The problem in Middle East started in 1948 because the Arabs and Islamic movement frowned at the creation of non-Islamic state in the region. I am disappointed that you used the word ?occupy? to describe the territories held by the State of Israel. The appropriate term should be ?captured? territories so that the required protocol in getting back the land should be applied. Today, Sinai belongs to Egypt because the Egyptians applied all the necessary protocols the International law demanded from the vanquished in order to regain the real estate they lost to Israel during the 1973 conflict. Of course, there is a humiliation that awaits a loser, in this case, the Arab states and armies that lost these territories to the Israelis during 1948, 56, 67 and 73 conflicts. Mind you, that PLO was a terrorist organization formed and financed by the Arabs and Islamic movement to reinvent issues as we see them today in Middle East. I still maintain that Israel has no business negotiating with Palestinians because the territories in dispute were not captured from the Palestinians but from Arab states and armies. Anybody who knew the history of Middle East should come to terms and face the brazen fact that Arab League and its irascible secretary-general Abdul Rahman Parsha should be held accountable for the plight of the Palestinians today. May I ask why the Arabs did not create a Palestinian State when they had the control of the territories in 1940?
bismillah
Assalamu alaykum and greetings to all. Indeed there are many learned brothers and sisters in this forum. My brother Al-Hamza, I must disagree with you on your views this time.
Fyne dyme,u`ve said everything i wanna say. And ammm lionger, when you worked wid the UN, ever heard of conspiracies? I guess it does`nt get down to you does it?
Mr edge1,
do u sincerely belive that israel is to be accepted by any sensible person?
lionger,
i am not trying to preach dis-harmony.
i said it in an earlier post..... i dont see any american on the street or a priest as my enemy. one that preachs againt my religion is my enemy. any sane person will agree.
you see the fact is i dont want to go what we call in hausa "dalla dalla" that is show u everything clearly because u'll probably see it in the wrong sense.
let me just put it this way.... we have a little minority amongst the yoruba's and a vast majority amongst the igbo's that see what the americans are doing clearly.
no what i want to do is to make any non-muslim realise what the truth is. If as a nation we stand devided on world politics then we are going down the drain, yoruba's are a second majority and as such to exist as a unified nation we need to stand the same grounds.
for your information christian palestinis are against the jewish occupation too.
thank you for highlighting the fact that ottomans occupied the balkans cause i thought you'd go pure blank on the history.
ok since u think the US isnt after russia...... what do u think about chechenya? do u think they are just getting aid from the heavens directly? what is it the US isnt involved in? anything done internationally cannot escape the eyes of the americans, especially in europe. How come chechen's continue to get aid and ammunition? from where? when thier surrounding nations are all christians?
Al_Hamza
Israeli state is rightfully situated geographically and otherwise. The people who have an ax to grind with the Jews have done everything imaginable to distort the natural history of the areas in contest. Not too many people knew that all the Jews living in Israel did not come from Europe. There were Jews (Sharpardi) who lived and own lands in the area on which Israeli State was created even before Othman Empire. As a matter of fact, Jews have lost more land in Arab world than the Palestinians have ever done. Large families of Jews were forced to abandon lands, houses and properties in the Arab and non-Arab countries stretching from Morocco to Iran.
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Now don't you understand man universal law
What you throw out comes back to you,
Star never underestimate those who you scar
Cause karma, karma, karma comes back to you hard
You can't hold God's people back that long
The chain of Shatan wasn't made that strong
Trying to pretend like your word is your bond
But until you do right, all you do will go wrong
~Lauryn Hill!
Now, now how come your talk turn cold
Gained the whole world for the price of your soul
Tryin' to grab hold of what you can't control
Now you're all floss, what a sight to behold
Wisdom is better than silver and gold
I was hopeless now I'm on Hope road
Every man want to act like he's exempt
When him need to get down on his knees and repent
Can't slick talk on the day of judgement
Your movement's similar to a serpent
Tried to play straight, how your whole style bent?
Consequence is no coincidence
Hypocrites always want to play innocent
Always want to take it to the full out extent
Always want to make it seem like good intent
Never want to face it when it's time for punishment
I know that you don't wanna hear my opinion
But there come many paths and you must choose one
And if you don't change then the rain soon come
See you might win some but you just lost one
i luv u... u luv meeh.. we are happy famaaaleee.. and a great big hug.. and a kiss from me to u.. ya'll BETTER say u love meeh toooo... ::)
Queen, I must comment you on this, I`ve never seen any poetry from you but this is dyme :-X. No, dont post it there, you`ll crush everyone chances of winning ;D
The jewish nation, not just the isreali state will do anything beyond imaginations to ruin Islam. My friend lionger said " There will never be peace in that place as long as terrorist groups are alive and have an audience." true, but whats also true is...there will never be peace on earth until the end of it. It has began, the signs are here. The most we can do is minimise it. They will be times that it only seems things are going to be worse...but there will be times when things will be easy and workable. And our connectivity with the west will be good...good enough.
"He will never be a true believer, until he makes his heart pure of the worlds interests"
Our hearts are not pure...not true to ourselves and our faith. Alotta muslims live the lives of hypocrites in many forms. Allah ya shiye mu, Ameen.
Ibro2g,
my friend, abeg how are jews out to destroy islam? guys we should not be saying things like this, they are incorrect and characterise much of what is wrong with the middle east. The ppl hate each other. no love. period. There was a lot more hope in the region during the 90's when ppl were actually talking. Now everything is up in the air. I'm not on anybody's side on this issue, they've all made a big hash of things - the Arab world, Israel, yasser arafat and his terrorists, the U.S. - everybody. I don't see how anybody can objectively take sides on the issue.
enuff is enuff haba!!!!!!!! everyone is evil, everyone is good, ok, pray and spread tha LOOOOOVEE!!!!
sha, ibro.. i dont blame u.. u dont listen to hip hop.. all u do is listen to that white boi noise... :P
Borg, L'ger & Ali ya'all have passed out d message 2 Edege.........which is sooooooooooo trueeeeeeeee
On d other hand, Edege u myt also have a point...but in d main tym........I'd rather say nefink cuz u deny even d first principles...........so it aint worth it..............arguein ova again its a headache
in arabic there's an old saying.
"the tears of a woman rusts the sword"
Gaskiya Alhaji kayi magana anan