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Title: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on July 26, 2007, 04:41:26 AM
Asslamu Alaikum!!!

Ina son inyi amfani da wannan dama don inyi magana akan harkan shirin fim (musammanma na hausa) wanda shine muke tare dashi a kusa da mu kuma muke yawan mu'amala dashi.

Dukkan mu dai mun yadda cewa Hausa wata abace wadda take da al'adu wadanda basu saba ka'idodin shariar musulci ba, kuma tana koyar da kyawawan dabi'u ga iyalanmu baki daya.

Farko fitowar fim na hausa lallai mutane sunyi matukar farin ciki da hakan, domin ko ba komai tofa zamu fahimci al'adummu na hausa sosai (mai makon yawan ganin fina-finan da ba al'adunmu ba). Abin yana kara bunkasa mutane suna kara son ganin fina-finan hausa.

To amma fa a yanzu abubuwan sun fara lalacewa, don idan kaga wani abun, harma bazaka iya bada labari ba. Misali ka lura kaga yadda ake sanya kaya musammam mata, kai kace wallahi ba ya musulma kuma ba haushiya ba, haka idan kaga yadda mace take rawa tana jijjiga dukkanin jikinta, abin har ba'a cewa koma.

Gaskiya ina ganin yakamata masu fada aji su sa baki acikin wannan harka domin kuwa watara fa yayammu ne ko kannemu.

Lalle ban fadi/rubuta wannan magana don in bata wa wani ba, imma akwai wanta ransa ya baci to ya feni, nayi ne da niyar gyara.
Allah ya taimakemu, amin.

Jibrin M. Yusi Bajoga. :)
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on July 26, 2007, 12:38:57 PM
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Ni na gaji da wannan thread din na Hausa films na bata al'adununmu na Hausa 'masu kyau'...
Lets concentrate on something esle. Ai tackling 'yan fashi da makamai, da barayi, da aids da masu satar mutane suna tsafi da su, da masu zuwa cikin dare su yanka matan mutane da ma su kisa saboda siyasa, da fitinar 'yan daba da 'yan kalare masu shan sholisho (ko suma  'yan wasan hausan ne suka koya musu?)  da rashin aikin yi, da religious intolerance (masu bi su harbe malamai), da sace kudin gwamnati da rashin wutar lantarki da ruwan sha tsabtacacce, da rashin makarantu ingantattu, da kuma lalacin talaka da bazai tashi ya nemi  'yancin sa ba kullum in an danne shi. Wai sai ya ce kash! 'yan kwadago sun wahal dani a yajin aikin da suka yi, ko kuwa kememe ya ki bin hakkin da a ka take masa wajen kada kuri'a.
In an magance wa'yannan, sai a waywayo wajen 'yan wasan Hausa, wanda bakomai suke yi ba sai tafiya da yadda zamani ya canza. (http://img103.exs.cx/img103/1719/angry.gif)
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Nuruddeen on July 26, 2007, 12:54:35 PM
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Ni na gaji da wannan thread din na Hausa films na bata al'adununmu na Hausa 'masu kyau'...
Lets concentrate on something esle.

Haba my sister! Allow the guy to  express his feelings. I think even if something of this nature is discussed here, we need to give him a chance to say what he wants to say. Many thanks Husna.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on July 26, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
Guys i all agree with you's, you all have a point there,nuruddeen like you said allow jmyusi to express himself yea theres no harm in that, but jmyusi its true like husnaa said zamani has changed( kai ya waye) and husnaa you know am with you in this your bayani :D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Rais on July 26, 2007, 03:51:45 PM
Haba if zamani have changed we can do ds bcos our future, all what husna is talking about are the major problems .This is minor amma ya kamata aduba ance fim din hausa don bahaushe da al adarsa amma basa yin yadda al adar tace now domin u can watch dat fim with all ur family(U,wife and children).One day like dat I watched 1 hausa fims with my junior brother he was telling  me kaji abinda yace yana cewa ne ance su kama kansu har sai sunyi aure amma shi yayi auren ba amfani ta ki yarda dashi  sai yawan gaisuwa dare nayi tafara sumumi _sumumi .seven yrs old haba since from dat day nasan hausa fims it has its own negetive effect more expecially bcos of our youger once
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on July 27, 2007, 11:29:26 PM
Assalamu Alaikum!!!

Lallai anyi maganganu da dama on my above text, kuma i believe kowa yana fadin abinda yake ganin gaskiya, i don't think akwai wanda yake fadin wani abu because of ya batawa wani.

Husna, i understand ur point, but karki manta u r a woman kuma ku masu rauni ne sosai, there/4 ki manta da wani abu wai zamani, it's d zamani ne ya chanja, wht of us? i don't think mu zamu chanja har mu kaucewa wa al'adunmu.

I hope to bear with me.

Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on July 28, 2007, 10:04:38 AM
Haba if zamani have changed we can do ds bcos our future, all what husna is talking about are the major problems .This is minor amma ya kamata aduba ance fim din hausa don bahaushe da al adarsa amma basa yin yadda al adar tace now domin u can watch dat fim with all ur family(U,wife and children).One day like dat I watched 1 hausa fims with my junior brother he was telling  me kaji abinda yace yana cewa ne ance su kama kansu har sai sunyi aure amma shi yayi auren ba amfani ta ki yarda dashi  sai yawan gaisuwa dare nayi tafara sumumi _sumumi .seven yrs old haba since from dat day nasan hausa fims it has its own negetive effect more expecially bcos of our youger once

Lol I cant stop laughing at what yr seven yr old brother said!! It so so so hilarious coming from a seven yr old!! hahahaha!!
Amma what you seemed to have done is underestimate his intelligence, and u think that bcos he is saying that,  it is necessarily a bad thing  or will have a bad effect on him. But you seemed not to realize that he is actually complaining against something that the bride of the actor is doing, which is also frowned upon Islamically. So how can you fault yr brother for being aware of that at an early age? Dont you know that children kept in utter ignorance are the ones that are most vulnerable and  in the greatest danger of being molested? Bama haka ba wani yaron will run throu the gamut of hausa films without ever appreciating anything.  Anyway abar zancan haka.  ;D

Ni dai I am of the view that 'yan wasan Hausa ba su suke lalata al'ada ba; kwaikwayon abinda suka ga anayi ne a cikin al'umma. Kuma as it is, har gara in bar 'yayana suyi ta kalon wasan Hausa da in barsu su kalli wasan kwaikwayon bature. Abin na bani mamaki. Wai sai kaga an nuna western film inda matan a practically naked (bay watch for example) kokuwa there is a full headon kissing scene and sai kaga no one bats an eyelid as kids and adults alike gaze raptly at the tv. Which is worse then? A graphic representation of what one is trying to avoid, ko kuwa an indirect  reference to it?
The whole point of this is that wasan Hausa will continue to go down the same road what ever anyone says, unless we stop watching them. That way if there is no market for them, then they will disappear. However something is bound to replace them, just like wasan Hausa replaced indian films to a large degree as the medium of entertainment for the average Hausa person.  Now supposing they are replaced by what is considered proper Hausa films which expound what our culture is all about, then we have to ask what is it that our culture entails?  Sa abaya har kasa for women and yin lullubi all the time in the films? Ok  that is achievable. Ok ba raye raye in the films like they do in Indian films ko? OK that is also achievable, but what about the kidan kalangu, da 'yammata suna ayyaraye? isnt that an ingrained part of Hausa culture? What about kidan goge (kamar garba supa?) isnt that part of Hausa culture? Are these necessarily good Hausa cultural things. What about 'yan daudu suna rawa a gidan buki? isnt that part of Hausa culture? Kuma in any case if one is going to tell a story, in  a proper Hausa movie, should it always have a moral? As immoral acts are well known and in general, can be limited to something like the ten commandments... no adultery, no thievery, no coveting other ppl's things, no talking behind someone's back etc, then it means that  there are only so many films one can do without becoming too repetitive and therefore boring. Ko da yake  most Hausa films na yanzu centre around the theme of love, but it seems that love universally is one subject that no one ever tires of hearing about.  So if we are not about to tell stories of morality all the time in the proper hausa movies then it means we have to tell stories about human frailty and normal human behavior and there is no way then u cannot introduce all the flaws of human nature which is only natural and which is one of the things that Rais's brother seemed to have understood in which ever film he was watching and commenting upon. So there is no escaping it.. Let's look at ourselves and our own behaviors and tell ourselves that we are exceptional model examples of good Hausa culture... are we?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on July 30, 2007, 02:40:52 AM
 :), Haka abin yake, but i believe u r not one of d Hausa fim actrees, is just a supporting. OK!  ba komai Allah ya dawwamar damu akan hanya madai-daichiya, amin.

I hope kema u will b part of my prayer  :).

As u said, let close this chapter in ba wani mai karin bayani.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on July 30, 2007, 01:00:39 PM
Welcome on board jmyusi. I was out for sometimes but am now back.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on July 30, 2007, 07:38:28 PM
Mr. Bajoga, naga alamun u are very interested in
this hausa film issue, and if to say you have taken
your time through our archives, i am sure you
wont have even make a post on hausa home
movies.

Its a settled issue, that these films we are watching
are a reflections of the true society we are leaving
in.  So, except we start bringing our children in a
modest way, hausa home movies will only aggravate
the issue.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on July 31, 2007, 12:17:57 AM
Jama'a Sallama

Those who know me of course will be surprised I am foraging in this particular thread -- such heavy duty issues are often beyond my ken. I am attracted however by the "clash of values" undercurrent of the discussion so far, and wish to point out one or two things.

As Dan Barno suggests, this particular theme has been and done. I myself have been running a forum on Yahoo! groups for six years (since 31st August 2001) on Hausa video films with well over 26,000 messages. The essence of the messages are basically what Bajoga says -- cultural alienation in the visual medium. It in infact this that motivates me to engage on an ethnographic study of the Hausa video film phenomena -- spending well over four years collecting data and weaving it into a book. The said book was finished in October 2006 in a dingy bed-and-poor-breakfast hotel in King's Cross! I had a deadline to submit it to the publisher - James Currey, UK -- for evaluation before we move to the next level; although I already have a publishing deal in Nigeria. The book is titled: PASSAGE FROM INDIA - TRANSGLOBAL MEDIA FLOWS AND AFRICAN CINEMA: THE VIDEO FILM IN NORTHERN NIGERIA.

In the book I explore the fascination Hausa youth have with Hindi films and how such films became the inspiration for the development of Hausa video films. In the process of appropriating Hindi film to use either as directy translations, or as base conceptual storyboards, Hausa video filmmakers perceive modernity to be anything the Indians and the Americans do in their films -- believing that such filmic depictions are reflections of "modernity".

And yet there is a core resistance -- and Bajoga's statements are the tip of the iceberg. I have documented serious clashes between the Hausa Islamicate culturalist environment and the entertainment industries in general, and specifically the video film. Interestingly enough, the essence of the clashes has nothing to do with material culture as such, but simply THE WAY THE GIRLS DRESS IN THE SONG AND DANCE SEQUENCES. This was also the subject of a paper, PRIVATE SPHERE, PUBLIC WAHALA - GENDER AND THE DELINEATION OF FEMALE INTIMISPHERE IN MUSLIM HAUSA VIDEO FILMS, and which was presented at a conference in Dakar last year. If anyone is interested, I can happily send you a copy of the BOOK VERSION of the paper which will be published next year by the University of Basel, Switzerland (requests to auadamu@yahoo.com; subject "Public Wahala).

Arguments therefore on whether Hausa films are "spoling" Hausa culture or not; and whether they are merely "reflecting" current status of Hausa culture, or whether they are "modernizing" Hausa culture miss the point. The point of the objections are almost always religious. And even then, on the mode of dressing of the girls, and specifically in the song and dance routines which are the nafila and farilla of the Hausa video film.  It is for this reason that the video film producers have to rely on transethnic actresses to appear in the films. These actresses are mainly Muslim, but not Hausa, and therefore do not share the same sense of "kunya" or "pulaaku" as the mainstream ethnic Hausa. Consequently they do not see anything "wrong" with wearing skimpy dresses or shaking their body.

In my fieldwork, I did not see a single producer willing to allow his own sister (and they have them), or the daughter of a friend of his, to appear in any of his films dressed in the skimpy western dresses they so readily dress transethnic girls. In one incident in Sakkwato, a producer wanted to make a film in a brothel, but was bluntly refused by the girls. Their exact statement as recorded was "ba za mu fito a fim ba domin mu ba 'yan iska ba ne". Thus due to the way Hausa girls are depicted in Hausa films, even prostitutes think they are less respectable than them!

The mainstream ethnic Muslim Hausa objections are of course due to the factors of what most researchers call "oppositional resistance". This states that a core bedrock of cultural values exist in any society; and no amount of modernizing external nfluence can erode it. Hausa audiences may condemn these films, but they buy them in droves -- creating a scratch-itch-scratch paradox.

Yet the other side of the argument -- reflecting modernity -- also needs some reconsideration. If is often ignored that Hausa societies have ALWAYS been modern. This is reflected in the extensive borrowings into the Hausa material culture and language from other cultures. For instance, Bahaushe was dealing with spirits who live in the fabled city of Jangare (occuping a parallel universe near Kiru in Kano, would you believe!) for hundreds of years. Then Islam came along around 1250 although more forcefully around 1380. Bahaushe changed the lexicon from Iskokai to Aljannu. He adapts. He changes. He appropriates. But he retains the core kernel of his cultural values. It is this molten core -- his Hadeed -- that is the subject of fierce protection in any critical public discourse about modernity and Hausa popular culture.

"Reflecting the society" is another refrain, perhaps not surprisingly, from the producers and actors themselves. Yet I feel -- in a situation where, as a public anthropologist I don't have the luxury of feeling -- this is a statistically skewed representation. The core of the objections as I repeatedly indicate, is in the mode of dressing shown by the actresses, not even in the storylines or stage settings. I live in Kano, and I have to two daughters in their late teens (pity me, eh?). I don't see them dressing the way the film actresses do as REPRESENTATIVE of Hausa girls. Okay, maybe I have greater control over my own children. But I teach in a University -- as liberal a place as you can find, and I still don't see what the film industry claims to be "the society". The majority of the girls who dress in the way the film actresses do are, like the actresses, transethnics or non-Hausa.  My family house is in Daneji, right in the heart of the city, and I drive there almost daily. The same thing. The point I am trying to make is I would like to know the PERCENTAGE of Hausa girls who dress the way the film actresses claims are common dressing behaviors, and then I would want to know how GENERALIZABLE is that that ALL MUSLIM HAUSA girls? Unless we sort this out, we are insulting the vast majority of Muslim Hausa girls who accept their Islamic values of modest dressing in public spaces.

A final point is what Husna says concerning foreign films. She is right. There are lots of kissing and hugging even in NileSat free to air chanels that are common now in Muslim northern Nigeria. People watch them. Mom, dad, baby and bro. No one bats an eyelid. Why? Simply because it is seen as reflecting the immorality of "the Other". In the typical psychology of such situations, it is "o.k. if they do it - it is their culture; not ours". This argument indeed was the basis for coming up with film censorship in Kano in 2001. And look at it this way, no matter how many thousands of Hollywood actors kiss each other, no one will care; get a Hausa actor and actress to kiss each other, and the Vesuvius is just a small faucet. They tried it between Fati Mohammed and Tahir Fage in SAURAN KIRI, where they ALMOST kissed -- causing a massive furor. Even Bollywood, which happily approriates hundreds of Hollywood films can bring out the "oppositional resistance" weapon. Can we forget the furor that followed the congratulatory kiss by Richard Gere and one Indian actress that lead to a warrant for his arrest for immoraility?! In Lollywood (Pakistan film industry) a Muslim actress what fatawa'd with death sentence for allegedly appearing in a kissing scene with a Hindu actor in an Indian film... It goes on and on.

So I feel it is not a question of being modern, reflecting society, or spoiling culture. At the very base there is the capitalist lucre. Hausa films with girls in skimpy dressess wiggling all their natural assets attract a lot of clasdestine pleasure from young -- and not so young - essentially urban sexualized male. Personally I categorize such scenes as soft porn and it is degrading to women, especially Muslim women when it is repeatedly made clear that it is the power of their body, not their acting skills, that can attract a film audience. Laura Mulvey is right about the filmic gaze being a male erotic exercise!

It is also a primitive instinct. The marketers, who provide over 90% of the capital needed for the films, know this. The actors and producers also know this. And significantly, the Islamicate culturalists also know this. In the end it is art and creativity that suffer in this endless battle, because the messages are lost in the clouds of sleaze, cash tills and religious self-rightenousness.

Allah Masani.

Abdalla

Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on July 31, 2007, 07:31:00 PM
Lol I cant stop laughing at what yr seven yr old brother said!! It so so so hilarious coming from a seven yr old!! hahahaha!!
Amma what you seemed to have done is underestimate his intelligence, and u think that bcos he is saying that,  it is necessarily a bad thing  or will have a bad effect on him. But you seemed not to realize that he is actually complaining against something that the bride of the actor is doing, which is also frowned upon Islamically. So how can you fault yr brother for being aware of that at an early age? Dont you know that children kept in utter ignorance are the ones that are most vulnerable and  in the greatest danger of being molested? Bama haka ba wani yaron will run throu the gamut of hausa films without ever appreciating anything.  Anyway abar zancan haka.  ;D

Ni dai I am of the view that 'yan wasan Hausa ba su suke lalata al'ada ba; kwaikwayon abinda suka ga anayi ne a cikin al'umma. Kuma as it is, har gara in bar 'yayana suyi ta kalon wasan Hausa da in barsu su kalli wasan kwaikwayon bature. Abin na bani mamaki. Wai sai kaga an nuna western film inda matan a practically naked (bay watch for example) kokuwa there is a full headon kissing scene and sai kaga no one bats an eyelid as kids and adults alike gaze raptly at the tv. Which is worse then? A graphic representation of what one is trying to avoid, ko kuwa an indirect  reference to it?
The whole point of this is that wasan Hausa will continue to go down the same road what ever anyone says, unless we stop watching them. That way if there is no market for them, then they will disappear. However something is bound to replace them, just like wasan Hausa replaced indian films to a large degree as the medium of entertainment for the average Hausa person.  Now supposing they are replaced by what is considered proper Hausa films which expound what our culture is all about, then we have to ask what is it that our culture entails?  Sa abaya har kasa for women and yin lullubi all the time in the films? Ok  that is achievable. Ok ba raye raye in the films like they do in Indian films ko? OK that is also achievable, but what about the kidan kalangu, da 'yammata suna ayyaraye? isnt that an ingrained part of Hausa culture? What about kidan goge (kamar garba supa?) isnt that part of Hausa culture? Are these necessarily good Hausa cultural things. What about 'yan daudu suna rawa a gidan buki? isnt that part of Hausa culture? Kuma in any case if one is going to tell a story, in  a proper Hausa movie, should it always have a moral? As immoral acts are well known and in general, can be limited to something like the ten commandments... no adultery, no thievery, no coveting other ppl's things, no talking behind someone's back etc, then it means that  there are only so many films one can do without becoming too repetitive and therefore boring. Ko da yake  most Hausa films na yanzu centre around the theme of love, but it seems that love universally is one subject that no one ever tires of hearing about.  So if we are not about to tell stories of morality all the time in the proper hausa movies then it means we have to tell stories about human frailty and normal human behavior and there is no way then u cannot introduce all the flaws of human nature which is only natural and which is one of the things that Rais's brother seemed to have understood in which ever film he was watching and commenting upon. So there is no escaping it.. Let's look at ourselves and our own behaviors and tell ourselves that we are exceptional model examples of good Hausa culture... are we?
Only Husnaa can tell it like this. 8)
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 01, 2007, 09:22:48 AM
"Reflecting the society" is another refrain, perhaps not surprisingly, from the producers and actors themselves. Yet I feel -- in a situation where, as a public anthropologist I don't have the luxury of feeling -- this is a statistically skewed representation. The core of the objections as I repeatedly indicate, is in the mode of dressing shown by the actresses, not even in the storylines or stage settings. I live in Kano, and I have to two daughters in their late teens (pity me, eh?). I don't see them dressing the way the film actresses do as REPRESENTATIVE of Hausa girls. Okay, maybe I have greater control over my own children. But I teach in a University -- as liberal a place as you can find, and I still don't see what the film industry claims to be "the society". The majority of the girls who dress in the way the film actresses do are, like the actresses, transethnics or non-Hausa.  My family house is in Daneji, right in the heart of the city, and I drive there almost daily. The same thing. The point I am trying to make is I would like to know the PERCENTAGE of Hausa girls who dress the way the film actresses claims are common dressing behaviors, and then I would want to know how GENERALIZABLE is that that ALL MUSLIM HAUSA girls? Unless we sort this out, we are insulting the vast majority of Muslim Hausa girls who accept their Islamic values of modest dressing in public spaces.
Prof, the fact you got two daughters who dress decently is just a reflection of good home upbringing. And the fact you don't see "skimpily dressed" girls at Daneji (ko kuma a cikin Badala) is not conclusive that the Hausa society is not "awash" with such. Of course you won't see them dressed that way a cikin gari. A girl would have to be real "fitsararriya" to do that. I remember some of us living outside badala used to laugh at our friends 'yan cikin gari, as kansu bai waye ba. 'Cos in those days I know wearing Jeans/Shirts etc is not too common for guys living inside the city wall. In fact it is considered too hippy, and  frowned upon in some quarters. So it's no suprise if you don't see girls dressed that way there. We are all too aware of those girls who go out of their homes decently dressed, complete with hijab, but with a bag full of Jeans/T-shirts/Skirts and other hippy accesories, to change into either at school, gidan biki, or at their friends for the outing.

But have you taken a look around places like Brigade, Tudun-Wada, Hotoro, Naibawa? And I'm talking about our real Hausa girls. Not the "transethnics", as you call them. I'm suprised you're downplaying the fact that female indecent dressing is a part of Huasa culture now, and has been for a while. So pushing the whole thing to the doorsteps of the "Transethnics" (I love that expre) is, IMO, not totally fair. Yes they're worse than our girls. No even comparism there.

You also mentioned that at the Uni where you teach ( BUK I assume), you don't see our girls dressed indecently. I won't be suprised, because BUK is known for its strict dress and behavioural code? Isn't that why we use to call it "Islamic University" in those days ;D? What I know is that during my A.B.U. days, and this precede the the advent of the so-called "immoral Hausa Films", skimpy/indecent dresses/dressing was, and still is, very much part of the campus life. And, yes, our own dear girls inclusive. ;) Some of them at the fore-front even ;D

Indecent dressing isn't just about wearing short skirts or Jeans/Trousers. Ko ka lura da irin dinkin da mata suke yi yanzu? Wallahi wani dinkin atamfar ma gara mace tasa wando. Just take a walk around any gidan biki kaga irin ayar da mata suke shekewa. Irin rawar batsar da ake yi. A yanzu in tela bai iya dinkin "zamani" ba, to ko 'yammata baza su rika kai masa dinki ba.

I don't want to go into the issue of " what percentage to generalize". I'm no statistician. And I personally can't see how you can get a figure for that, short of conducting a poll on the girls ::) I do believe that those that are apt to dress decently are in the majority. But even before Hausa Films reached the stage where they are deemed as "spoiling" our culture, female indecent dressing had become an integral part of us. It is not a wholesome 'Transethnic issue'.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 01, 2007, 11:54:40 AM
Madalla Abdalla and Bakangizi in addition to what Husnaa
posted in respect to Hausa Home Videos.  Abdalla have
spoken extensively on this issue and i concur with most
of his observations, except as to trying as much as possible
to exonerate the core hausa as never or did not constitute
a reasonable percentage in all these indecencies.

As rightly highlighted by Bakan-Gizo, BUK is regarded as one
of the modest university in the north that you dont find
extreme mode of dressing.  But wallahi tallahi i bet you, try
going into BUK hostel area during the evening and night time
and see for yourself, wether our hausa girls dress decently or
not.  Let me also bring to the attention of all; that wearing
trousers and t-shirts by our girls is more modest than these
types of new styles being sewn by our local tailors.  Among
these styles, there is - Ayaye (Its a stylish form of sewing,
from far view, it looks more of a skirt, but its not a skirt, but
a wrapper which is not up to full length yard - its easier to. .)
So also, there is - Fito min style, its a style that shows 120%
of the girls' buttocks in  a very tight form - wallahi har yafi wando.
Its so on and so on, every day new dressing style is being
invented, and all by our hausa sisters.

Malam Abdalla also spoke of (transethnic), but i dont know how
far you can exonerate a Babur Bura from Borno State who was
born and breed in Kano from a core hausa. Or Batangale from
Bauchi state whose father was also born in Kano.  Its a very
difficult tax when we try to distinguish what hausa is all about.
I remember, whenever our southern friends wants to refer to
us, they use the term "HAUSA", no matter how you explain to
them that the north consist of so many languages and cultures
they wont understand.  That is it, and that is how it it going to
be.  WE ARE ALL HAUSAS. 

What comments do we have on IBRO'S films?

What is good for the core hausa muslims,
is also good for the transethnic hausa muslims.

http://www.samarmagazine.org/archive/article.php?id=21
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on August 01, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Thank You, Bakan Gizo, Dan Barno for very intellegent observations about my post and sharing your experiences of yester-years! Ahh, the memories, eh?

Before the issue tangients off into a different dimension, let me simply say that we are focusing on visual entertainment media and cultural representation. I still insist that "urbanite chicks" dressing in styles they see in movies and rap artistes do not reflect a generalization of the Hausa girls. I still think it is unfair of the Hausa video film industry to generalize urban phenomena to well over 20 million people. Read every comment by any aspiring "super star" and she will sprout the same article of Hausa video film faith: we do it because your daughters do it.

"Cikin Gari" is not a totally  moral space. In a strecth of road that connects Gwale Secondary School (my alma mater) and Emir's Palace -- Tudun Wizirci road, I could count about five brothels between 1969 and 1973 while I was going to school. That was not the only place. There were others. I am not therefore naive to the immorality (some of it beyond pale, really). It is just a reflection of the hypocrisy of many people to be holier than thou. So point noted, taken and agreed on immoral dressing and behavior of both "ethnics" and "transethnics".

However, let us not forget the issue of mindset. That is what I am addressing in my post. That a core mindset shapes the dynamics of our behaviors and shields us from the public space. The jeans, t-shirts, and the increasing new styles of dresses set to provoke are essentially accountrouments of a clubbish identity best expressed in PRIVATE SPHERE of the special space. Sex and identity therefore become the coeffiencients of delineating spatial occupation in social discourse. Homosocial (same sex social gathering and bonding) hegenomic social configuration is therefore a female as well as a male strategy for defining out-groups. That is why at gidan biki, in their private chambers -- WHEN THEY ARE TOGETHER -- women abandon the rules of heterogenous discourse and be what they want to be. It is not only Hausa women who do this. Arab women are notorious for it. See them clad in those black shrouds? Well underneath are designer jeans, Chanel blouses and dresses. It is not therefore that they don't wear them. They do. IN PRIVATE. IN THEIR GATHERING. IN THEIR HEGEMONIC SPHERE.

Assuming they do in public. That does not make it right to the Islamicate environment. And that is the point Hausa video filmmakers refuse to understand about their audiences. Hausa society received literature VIA religion. The benchmark used to judge Hausa literature is Islam. If it fits Islamic tenets, it is acceptable; if it does not, it is not acceptable, no matter how modern it is perceived. As I repeatedly point out, the entire gamut of objections to the Hausa video films revolve around sexuality of the female body form and its open display in the public space. Whether such objections are hypocritical in a society that condones other immoralities is something else.

Thus Hausa literature -- oral, written, visual, is DIDACTIC; indeed as the video filmmakers themselves kept insisting, they are in the business to "educate (iliminitar)", "sermonize" (wa'azantar), and "entertain" (nishadantar). The methodology they adopt to communicate these incombinable threads is what leads to the "clash of civilizations". Hausa cinema is about aping Hollywood and Bollywood. It is not about cultural preservation. Yet the mainstream Hausa society expects literature to be a moral process. THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is where the core problem lies.

To the Hausa Islamicate environment, modernization does not mean abandoning your mindset values, since modernity is not about material culture. It is a TECHNIQUE, and is present in all ages and all cultures.

By the way, Transethnic is an anthropological term to refer to a person who belongs to a distinct social group -- by ancestry -- but finds themselves in another group and accept the latter's group identity, even while holding on to his primeval identity. From my fieldwork on the video film in northern Nigeria, I noticed that such transethnics were more revolutionary and readily accept what they perceive as modernity (essentially a template for accepting American values) than the group identity they find themselves in. This is because they have no particular reason to promote the group's identity via their craft, but wish to at the same time become recognized as catalysts of modernity within the group, even when masking their primeval individual identity. They are the most successful Hausa video film producers.

It is all a very fascinating study of the change and transformation in a global eddy of migration of ideas and concepts across the cultural, economic and religious borders.  We will not hear the last of this, but I think I have made the points I wanted to make. I am currently engaged in a project to provide some form of illuminative direction to the Hausa video film industry via DFID under their Security Justice and Growth initiative. The theme is The Rights of Women Under Shari'a. So watch this space!

BTW I will be giving a talk about this at a Public Lecture in New York on Thursday 7th November 2007 at 6.00 p.m. at Barnard College, NYC. If you happen to be in the area, do drop by to say hello!

Abdalla
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 01, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
the reservoir of knowledge has spoken!
Allah ya sa mu dace.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 07, 2007, 11:49:07 AM
What comments do we have on IBRO'S films?

His films are good if you are the heavy-comedy fan. Generally hilarious, I can't help feeling he over-does it atimes. Da ba ruwan shi da wakoki, amma yanzu ya fara. And for some bizarre coincidence (astagfirullah), most of his co-stars (and I dare say those who make his films thick), are dying one after the other. You know Kulu, Katakore, Yautai, DanWanzan, Tsigai :o He's been forced to bring in new faces, unfortunately they aren't as good. Those who watch his films would know what I mean.

What is good for the core hausa muslims,
is also good for the transethnic hausa muslims.
Too true.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 07, 2007, 12:31:08 PM
He is a real comedian, infact the best in recent times.
Even his music, despite the fact he is a full time copyright
violator - they are entertaining.  Take your time and check
on youtube.com search for ibro hausa music, zaka sha
dariya.  My favourite song is Ibro Ethiopia  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 08, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Yeah, you're right he's a full time copy-right violator. But that "credit" goes to Sadi Sidi Sharifai. He's the one writing and singing the songs for Ibro, you know. I remember while listening to one of those radio phone-in programs on Hausa Films in Kano (Freedom Radio). Sadi was on the set, giving an insight on a recently 'copy-righted' Mamman Shata's song. I sent a text asking whether they/he usually get permission before "re-making" somebody else's song(s). You know the answer they gave me? - "Ba zan iya amsa wannan tambayar ba, saboda abin sirri ne" >:(  As if I don't know better ;D

Anyway, I will try the youtube search. I even have some of his films on CD.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on August 08, 2007, 06:21:42 PM
You are right.

Sadi Sidi (as i saw in one mushakata cassette) he can be able to make anybody's voice while singing a song.

I don't know whether he was getting permission or not.
Kuma gaskiya in ba Sadi ya taimaki Ibron ba..............

Ai ido ko bai san dai-dai ba........................................
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 09, 2007, 04:54:34 AM
Jama'a Sallama

In my fieldwork, I did not see a single producer willing to allow his own sister (and they have them), or the daughter of a friend of his, to appear in any of his films dressed in the skimpy western dresses they so readily dress transethnic girls. In one incident in Sakkwato, a producer wanted to make a film in a brothel, but was bluntly refused by the girls. Their exact statement as recorded was "ba za mu fito a fim ba domin mu ba 'yan iska
ba ne". Thus due to the way Hausa girls are depicted in Hausa films, even prostitutes think they are less respectable than them!



Allah Masani.

Abdalla


That is the most understated irony I have ever come across... kunji karuwan banza!!  mtssuii.. nonsense and ingredients!

Prof ka kashe bakin kowa with such heavyweight grammar and dissertation style expression... lol ;D ;D ;D ;D

When I refer to mode of dressing of girls I refer to all types that are considered 'unacceptable' religion wise. So all the ones that DB (he seems to know so much about it lol!) mentioned and more, that if u scrutinize them, are not strictly speaking  conforming to what the prophet SAW said should be the mode of female islamic dress code, to me come under the banner of the radical way our young girls dress. Might I add that in so far as I am concerned for as long as the girl will wear abaya as an outer garment in public, they are all acceptable since they were not condemned by the prophet either, being that they serve another purpose which is totally halal in itself.
So it is not only jeans and tshirts that are under discussion here, but all forms of dress that dont conform to what is acceptable in our religion. That is probably why prof Abdallah will be hard put to find a tshirt and jeans dressed female in gwale or thereabouts, but the other modes of dressing that are shape revealing all fall under the same category, and which the prof must surely have seen in his perambulations about town.

Oh BTW, I recently watched an Iranian film called LAILA, about a woman who couldnt give birth and consequently her mother in law badgered her into allowing her husband to take a second wife. I was interested in how the Iranian film approached the subject matter of tactile contact and other forms of interaction between ppl of the opposite sex that are not each other's mahrams. Firstly touching upon the issue of dressing, all the women in the film were in purdah (abayaed from head to toe). However their faces are exposed. There was absolutely no touching even finger to finger between men and women. There were no expressions of intimacy anywhere in the film unless if it be between two women.
To be honest films like that can only be supportd through with very good acting on the part of the actors which in this case happened, and the film was all in all enjoyable. What I found to my surprise was that it was difficult for me to relate the man and woman as man and wife because of the absolutely sterile manner they represented the relationship. It simply wasnt convincing enough for me, because subconsiously one expects  tiny tiny intimacies between a man and his wife for example brushing of the arm as one passes the other or some such. There was none.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on August 12, 2007, 04:10:41 PM
 Prof ka kashe bakin kowa with such heavyweight grammar and dissertation style expression... lol ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote]

Haba, Hajiya! Manya-manyan 'yan boko kamar ku?!  ;D


Just two things -- one on general issue but related to this thread, and the other specific to this.

If people can be annoyed about the way Muslim Hausa girls often dress, then they should avoid places like this town, Assilah, Morocco. The girls go around virtually NAKED -- tight jeans and tops, head uncovered, etc. In Kano only prostitutes dress like that; and even then, at night. Not so here, where you will see a Mum, Dad strolling around with Sister hanging by their side, looking insolent and bored, with a headphone stuck in her ear. Said Sister, of course, is proudly tightly clad showcasing her features for all to see. It seems the parents encourage their daughters to be as Westernized as possible. Sure one or two (about 1 in 20) might have the fashionable hijab -- but always with a blouse and ultra tight jeans; aikin banza, harara a duhu! It is also common to see young couple (about 17 yrs or less) hugging and kissing in quite corners, and no one bats an eyelid. Wallah observing these things happening makes BRIGADE Kano a virtually Makka!

And only OLD men and much older youth attend the prayers - you would not find any youth dead in the mosque; they are busy strutting around the town eating ice cream and generally pretending they are cool. A young guide I have, Imad, who is 21 and in the second year of a university degree (and speaks excellent American movie English) confesess to being ashamed of his people, who he said will claim they are Muslims but are un-Islamic in their dressing.

I have seen similar behaviors, but to a less degree in Cairo, Egypt; and yet these people have the nerve to question anyone's Islam. To Arabs that I have encountered in many places (especially Makka), Black Muslims are a curiosity -- they seem to equate inability to speak Arabic with degree of faith in Allah.  Yet they are disdainful of their Islamic identity because they don't want to be seen as "Islamicist". In the New World Order, Islam has become a self-imposed taboo for Muslims in countries like Morocco. Maybe there are other less weird places, but this one takes the biscuit! Allah Ya kiyashe mu.

I want to comment on the Ibro parodies which I also think are brilliant. Indeed if I have to support any Hausa film segment, it is the Ibro parodies I will focus attention on. In fact so much that I and some colleagues in Switzerland, South Africa and Germany have been given a nice grant by the Volkswagen Foundnation to do a research on Negotiations of Culture in African Countries. My particular segment will focus on 9-11 Incident and its impact on African popular culture. In particular I will be looking at IBRO SADDAM, IBRO USAMA films as markers of negotiating global political reinterpretation in an Islamicate society. This goes to show how significant Ibro films are. Not only that, series of researches can be done other "Ibros", such as Ibro P-Square, Ibro Bob Marley, Ibro Michael Jackson and others. They represent a fasctinating deconstruction of a globalised phenomana for a local audience, and show the extent media messages can be circulated to unintended audiences.

Which brings me to the issue of copyright that was talked about. Hausa artistes are often selfish. They can liberally steal other people's creative ideas, but they don't want someone making money at their expense. I remember how Hausa films are HEAVILY pirated in Ghana and Cameroon and the Hausa film industry was very upset about this "piracy" -- imagine, a case of the kettle calling the pot black; when the entire industry is based on the infrastructure of piracy and lack of creative input, they are complaining that someone is skinning them! So I am not surprised that Sadi Sidi Sharifai refused to disclose his methodology. In truth, he has none. He just receives money from an Executive Producer, who is usually a Nigeriene marketer, and sing songs that took the fancy of the marketer. The issue of creativity or respect for individual performance rights are readily ignored. It is this lack of respect for others' creative efforts that will prevent Hausa creative and performing arts from being exportable to other parts of the world.

Abdalla
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Al-Nazeer on August 14, 2007, 11:43:52 AM
For me Icant say anything about this topic. I dont think in my life I watch Hausa Movies of to 7. I decided to stop when I undersatnd what they are up to. So my Brother the only way is to just forget about it as I do. I read Hausa Nobel of to 2000 before, but now I think since 1998 I had never read any Hausa Nobel too, because they are going almost the same way withe movies.


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Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on August 14, 2007, 01:50:29 PM
Kai! ::)I was out of my original board-General Board for a considerable time, I gather. I really missed a lot and would be probably be missing in the future. But I won't let this happen, by Allah's grace, again.

Prof. has spoken, as said ealier by anuty Husnnaa. Thus whatsoever mu yan kuci ku bamu are further going to say is of no or little importance. Allah ya bamu ilimi as........get it? Or even morethan......ko?

Sai anjima
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 14, 2007, 04:14:02 PM
Yan Hausa film dinnan za su baiwa mutum kunya. Ni dai ina kare su ina basu suke bata al'ada ba kuma   gashinan za su je suyi wani abin da zai kashe wa mutum baki har abada. Wai naji a BBC yau an ce akwai wa'yansu da sukai pornographic hausa film da ya ke yawo a mobile phone. Yanzu an sa musu haddi a kan kowannen su kuma sun shiga buya.
Ni dai ban taba tsammanin akwai tsageru a cikin 'yan wasan kwaikwayon ba da za su iya samun karfin halin da zasu yi wannan abin alfasha din ba. Tir. Allah Ya Kiyaye mu.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Mufi on August 14, 2007, 06:35:25 PM
Aunty Husnaa, Haka na karanta a last edition na Magazine nasu na "yan film, har suka bada hint as to who was involved in the film-making. Allah ya wadaran naka ya lalace, Allah Ubangiji ya shirya su damu gaba ki daya Amin.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bamalli on August 14, 2007, 09:54:05 PM

Nigerian outrage over nude video
Nigerian video cover
Nollywood films are popular across West Africa
A video showing a northern Nigerian film actress in a sex scene has caused a public outcry in the Muslim north.

The outraged Kano State Filmmakers Association has expelled the actress and her lover, along with 17 others.

The 17 were not connected to the video but were thought to be involved in "immoral acts" such as drunkenness and fornication, a local newspaper says.

The un-named actress is now in hiding after the eight-minute mobile phone clip was circulated across the north.

"This was the first time such exposure involving Hausa-Fulani persons was witnessed in the country," reports the Leadership newspaper.

The Hausa-Fulani are the dominant ethnic groups in the predominantly conservative Muslim north.

Kannywood

Muslim clerics have condemned the video clip, while radio programmes have been full of complaints about immorality in Nigeria's film industry.

Nollywood, Nigeria's hugely successful home video industry, is mostly based in the country's less conservative Christian south.

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In the past few years a Hausa language home video industry, known as Kannywood, has sprung up in the largest northern city, Kano.

Hausa is the most widely spoken language across northern Nigeria.

Kano is among 12 northern states that began enforcing Islamic Sharia law in 2000, increasing tensions between the Muslim majority and sizeable Christian minorities all over the north.

Thousands died in religious and ethnic violence across the region.
From BBC News
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on August 15, 2007, 01:20:56 PM
Yan Hausa film dinnan za su baiwa mutum kunya. Ni dai ina kare su ina basu suke bata al'ada ba kuma   gashinan za su je suyi wani abin da zai kashe wa mutum baki har abada. Wai naji a BBC yau an ce akwai wa'yansu da sukai pornographic hausa film da ya ke yawo a mobile phone. Yanzu an sa musu haddi a kan kowannen su kuma sun shiga buya.
Ni dai ban taba tsammanin akwai tsageru a cikin 'yan wasan kwaikwayon ba da za su iya samun karfin halin da zasu yi wannan abin alfasha din ba. Tir. Allah Ya Kiyaye mu.

Husna, ai kunya ma yanzu a ka fara jin ta. I am sure you are aware of the current furor generated by a private video of a famous Hausa video film star, Maryam Hiyana (after her starring role in the film, Hiyana) in sexually explicit pornographic mobile video film with another man. This video clip -- not a "film" really -- is as bad as it gets. The link to the story, and forum comments are here http://www.leadershipnigeria.com/product_info.php?products_id=10843 (http://www.leadershipnigeria.com/product_info.php?products_id=10843).

It is very important to note that this woman did this to represent her desire. Her behavior should not be seen as reflecting the film industry. If every miscreant is seen to represent the professional group they belong to, then there would be nothing left to morality. In every strata of occupational category, you have weirdos and saints.

That said, however, it must be acknowledged that the film industry contributed to this stage in the following ways. First by encouraging nude-sexuality-tight dresses mantra in Hausa films -- what we have been talking about here. It got to a stage where unless a Hausa film has girls with tight dresses, singing and dancing suggestively, it won't sell, and filmmakers have been defending this by insisting that they are in the business to make money, not art. One of them -- one of the biggest among -- even told us bluntly, "to hell with Hausa culture; I am a filmmaker and I want to make money, if you people want a cultural film, do it with your own money". This was circa 2003. This marketing mantra led to more song and dance routines with girls dressed in tight clothes, shaking their body suggestively, EVEN IF THE STORY DOES NOT WARRANT A DANCE! The target was to titillate the audience.

This onscreen behavior of the girls was in fact what made a currency dealer, Bobo,  in Lagos, BET his friends that he could sleep with any of the girls in the Hausa video film industry because, as he unathoratively quoted, "kararuwai ne su". He bet that he could have any of them for N50,000.  They selected Maryam Hiyana for the bet. He lured Maryam with this money and recorded their sex act -- and those who watched it said was explicit penetrative sexual act in full video -- with the video camera of his  handset. He then showed it to his friends to prove that he could do it; one friend downloaded it on his own phone via bluetooth -- and the next thing, the video had started making rounds. I am sure now more than 50,000 might have seen it.

Secondly, WE the audience contributed to this state of affairs. WE buy these films and REFUSE to buy films that are artistic and had a focus on cultural interpretation. Thus WE encourage them to produce more films that titillate.

Finally, the MARKETERS are probably the biggest culprits because they provide the raw cash needed to produce the films -- the more sexually titillating the film is, the higher the marketers will pay to a producer. When we talked to them about this, they also ignored us.

We have been against emphasis on sexuality in Hausa films because if not only it is un-Islamic, it also degrades women. That is the whole essence of my contribution on this topic in this board. Again let us be mindful of the fact that many people have probably recorded as much as such lurid scenes privately with their own phones. I know for a fact that in Kano boys often send pictures of themselves naked to girls via text messages. What makes Maryam's case different is the fact that she belongs to an industry that is seen as representing cultural norms of a certain group of people through her art. It is always the case that those in public could not escape a close scrutnity of their lives. See the case of Pee-Wee Herman, a famous children's actor who was arrested for a personal sexual behavior, and almost ruined his career. Full story at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4653913 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4653913)/. Of course we are also mindful of the case of Michael Jackson -- he was tried by the public (and prosecution) not because of his inability to produce good music, but because of his behavior towards children which was considered indecent.

As the English saying goes, "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". Those in media are seen as role models, more especially in Hausa societies. Their behaviors are seen as imitatable and copyable by generations of young. The Islamicate environment therefore places high premium on their behavior -- both on and off public. This is a common paradigm in any entertainment industry, not just Hausa societies. The moralists have been sounding alarm bells about the increasing use of erotica in the Hausa films for  along time. The argument given by the film industry is that "this is how your daughters behave". They are sending the wrong message, and it has started backfiring.

The latest update about the current sex scandal in Kannywood  that I call Badakalar Hiyana is that the Hausa filmmakers associations have banned the following actors from engaging in any Hausa film making for some time:

1.   Ummi Nuhu
2.   Ummi Ibrahim (Zee Zee)
3.   Kubura Dhacko
4.   Muhibbat Abdulsalam
5.   Sadiya Yarari
6.   Shamsiyya Habib (Kansakali)
7.   Maijidda Abbas 8. Farida Jalal
9.   Hannatu Umar
10. Ismuha
11. Hajiya Zainab
12. Safiya Musa
13. Zahiyya Ibrahim
14. Hauwa Rafin Dadi
15. Fati Slow
16. Mahe Ibarahim
17. Auwalu Isah West
18. Abba AlMustapha
19. Hassan Gigs
20. Baba Karami
21. Ibrahim Bauni

This decision taken by Filmmakers (and the Kano State Government has banned Maryam Hiyana from appearing in any film for five years) seems to be alittle too late. The LEADERS of the industry are in ALL the films made by these actors. What did the leaders do to prevent these actors from making the song and dance sexuality films almost all the critical establishment is against? I mean an industry Leader will happily appear as a "father" to an actress in one scene, while in the next scene she will be dancing in a tight jeans, and he will claim that "it is not my scene". Do you notice the contradition? Kasimu Yero was more choosy in his films -- which is why everyone keeps seeing his as the quintessential Hausa film hero.

If you read the July edition of FIM magazine, you will read the accounts of how proudly some of these actresses were relating how they have been having explicit sex with a boyfriend (they are fighting over the boyfriend, with each girl claiming she "had" him better) who is a Honda mechanic at Tal'udu in Kano (Nigeria).

I don't think it is fair to judge the Hausa film industry based on the behaviors of some of them. But it must be accepted that they have created contexts and situations where people see the girls as wayward, of loose morals and ready to do anything for money -- whether it is in the artistic potrayal of a  prostitute in a film, or being paid for sex in real life. Allah Ya shirye mu gaba daya.

Abdalla







Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on August 16, 2007, 11:24:33 AM
I think, following this scandal that Prof. called Badakalar Hiyana, Hausa film should be banned at all. If this couldn't be done easily, as I suspect for it'll creat some more chaos, it should rightly be re-shaped. We need people like you Prof. to support such effort, so it can be achieved. What do you think about that people?

Off topic: (please my people, am sorry to talk about something like this.)

Prof. Abdallah, I've been to your office for a time morethan count, to show my computer paper printed novel that we've been discussing about in Chit-Chat. Hope things are allright with you. Are you please in the city or on trip?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 16, 2007, 10:15:09 PM
Ikon Allah, ni kam har naji kunya, wallahi i have
been expecting this story for a very long time.
Muhsin, i hear you talk about banning hausa film!
its impossible, duk wanda yake son ya yada sharri
in these days, its as simple as ABCD, you have seen
how www.youtube.com in particular has been very
useful and the internet in general, all sorts of videos
you can find them easily, no charge for posting and
no charge for downloading.

As I have been always advicing, let everyone get
hold of his family, train your children according to
the dictates of Islam and through this, we can have
a pure society.  Let us not forget that, Iblis can
transform into the shape of Dan-Adam and do a
lot of things so that he will get followers.

Makin film is all about making money and nothing
else! so these producers can go to whatever height
to sell their products according to the dictates of
the market force.  The higher the demand the
higher the supply also.

Allah sarki, ina su -
Kasimu Yaro
Dan Wanzam
Yar Mai Albasa
Ba Hausa
Boka mai gani har hanji
Mai Aya
Samanja
Mutuwa Dole
Ba'are (Malam Mamman)
Mai Unguwa
Na kande
and lots of them, we appreciate you the more.
 

Prof. has said it, the fault is mainly from us, because
we dont patronise other hausa home videos where
cultural heritage is being displayed. 

Allah sarki duniya, where are;

Kasimu Yaro
Dan Wanzam
Yar Mai Albasa
Ba Hausa
Waziri (Magana Jarice 1, 2 & 3)
Sankira
Samanja
Mutuwa Dole
Kabani Kabaka
Boka mai gani har hanji
Malam Mamman (Ba'are)
Dabalo
and lots more.........
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Janwuya on August 18, 2007, 06:36:21 AM
Ai lallai Dan-Borno ka tuna mana da yan wasa na kwarai.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on August 19, 2007, 09:28:31 PM
What a sad news i couldnt believe it abin takaice abin haushi....To Allah shirya wannan alamarin, kuma yasa mu dace. Ameen
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 20, 2007, 09:52:37 AM
Yan Hausa film dinnan za su baiwa mutum kunya. Ni dai ina kare su ina basu suke bata al'ada ba kuma   gashinan za su je suyi wani abin da zai kashe wa mutum baki har abada. Wai naji a BBC yau an ce akwai wa'yansu da sukai pornographic hausa film da ya ke yawo a mobile phone. Yanzu an sa musu haddi a kan kowannen su kuma sun shiga buya.
Ni dai ban taba tsammanin akwai tsageru a cikin 'yan wasan kwaikwayon ba da za su iya samun karfin halin da zasu yi wannan abin alfasha din ba. Tir. Allah Ya Kiyaye mu.
I know how you feel. You would think that here you are busy defending them, and this is what they do. You feel you're let down, kind of. It wasn't even a "film" as the papers made it out to be. You can even hear the foolish, stupid girl asking the boy/man to please delete it after as she's not comfortable with it. He answered by saying she has nothing to fear, its just the two of them, and nobody can have access to it, he will delete it later bla bla.

I'm not defending them. I believe what happened was disgusting, disturbing, an abomination and, above all, damaging not only to the culprits (or the film industry), but to hausa society as a whole. But. But. Lets tarry a while and ask ourselves honest questions; Was what happened the first of its kind? Was it the worst kind of crime ever perpetrated on our society? I ask the above questions because such "mobile phone porno" has been going on for a while. I knew of a similar incident last year at Tiga Dam when a guy recorded such between him and girlfriend. It also got out of hand and the girl permanently enstranged from her family as a result. But it doesn't make the airwaves. Nor the headlines on our dailies. A porno was acted out and recorded, with intent (as against the Hiyana case) in Katsina (I won't mention unguwar) sometime back. The state govt intervened, the commisioner of police was informed and arrests were made. Again, nothing on the radios. Nothing on the papers. Just week I was watching NTA News Extra with Hauwa'u Gebi. The topic was child abuse prevention, a report from Suleija in Niger State. Out comes the report that a child of 3years was raped. Let me add that child raping is even a common occurence now such that when we hear or read on the papers, we only shake our heads and flip to the next page. So it amused me the kind of furore the Maryam Hiyana scandal generated. I won't go into the they are models, our children may copy from them issues. I believe Prof Abdallah has, as usual, dealt with that extensively and equitably.

I won't go as far saying we're backing the wrong tree, but I believe it goes beyond hausa film actors. Hausa film or no hausa film, the writing was there on the wall for all to see that the course toward societal collapse in our land had been charted long ago. Societal decay is the root. Unless we clean up our acts, reform our moral values and bring up our kids the right way, we will continue to climb our moral horses to abuse hausa film actors. They are not our problem. I will court controversy and say they are a reflection of what our society has become, is becoming or will become, given the signs now. As for Maryam Hiyana, Allah yasa wannan shine sanadiyar shiriya a gare ta. Allah yasa wannan ya zama hanyar shiyar da sauran 'yan fim, da kuma gyara harkar fim din gaba daya, amin.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 20, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Too true what you wrote up there BK. It is indeed the decayed moral of the Hausa society that is manifested. May I add what a bloody hypocritical society it is also. I am really living in a dynasauric age within my own world because I am constantly amazed that such things as mobile sharing of dirty video clips happen in a bonafide, morally watertight 110% 'dont do it!' finger wagging society like ours! I mean I think to myself that even in the west the youth dont really do that. They are interested in passing on the really bizzare or funny individualistic things that they did or what happens to be a one off snap shot of what could be potentially a world event in the making... but not pornostuff..or maybe because with them it is more readily accessible than in our society so they dont need the mobile as a medium so much. What ever it is, it is indeed not acceptable.
And yes we need to do something about the decadence that has creeped into our society. However only God Knows how we should tackle it, because it seems that there is no society today that is not vulnerable to the this pervasive moral poverty. Maybe decency in the way we dress is a starting point. The govt should also  step in and regulate the internet traffic in Nigeria as they do in China. It is really incumbent upon it to do so for the  good of the society.
Oh and last but not least. That poor Penguin forever condemned to be floored by its companion......so sad and funny....  ;D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on August 20, 2007, 08:10:41 PM
Yan Hausa film dinnan za su baiwa mutum kunya. Ni dai ina kare su ina basu suke bata al'ada ba kuma   gashinan za su je suyi wani abin da zai kashe wa mutum baki har abada. Wai naji a BBC yau an ce akwai wa'yansu da sukai pornographic hausa film da ya ke yawo a mobile phone. Yanzu an sa musu haddi a kan kowannen su kuma sun shiga buya.
Ni dai ban taba tsammanin akwai tsageru a cikin 'yan wasan kwaikwayon ba da za su iya samun karfin halin da zasu yi wannan abin alfasha din ba. Tir. Allah Ya Kiyaye mu.
I know how you feel. You would think that here you are busy defending them, and this is what they do. You feel you're let down, kind of. It wasn't even a "film" as the papers made it out to be. You can even hear the foolish, stupid girl asking the boy/man to please delete it after as she's not comfortable with it. He answered by saying she has nothing to fear, its just the two of them, and nobody can have access to it, he will delete it later bla bla.

I'm not defending them. I believe what happened was disgusting, disturbing, an abomination and, above all, damaging not only to the culprits (or the film industry), but to hausa society as a whole. But. But. Lets tarry a while and ask ourselves honest questions; Was what happened the first of its kind? Was it the worst kind of crime ever perpetrated on our society? I ask the above questions because such "mobile phone porno" has been going on for a while. I knew of a similar incident last year at Tiga Dam when a guy recorded such between him and girlfriend. It also got out of hand and the girl permanently enstranged from her family as a result. But it doesn't make the airwaves. Nor the headlines on our dailies. A porno was acted out and recorded, with intent (as against the Hiyana case) in Katsina (I won't mention unguwar) sometime back. The state govt intervened, the commisioner of police was informed and arrests were made. Again, nothing on the radios. Nothing on the papers. Just week I was watching NTA News Extra with Hauwa'u Gebi. The topic was child abuse prevention, a report from Suleija in Niger State. Out comes the report that a child of 3years was raped. Let me add that child raping is even a common occurence now such that when we hear or read on the papers, we only shake our heads and flip to the next page. So it amused me the kind of furore the Maryam Hiyana scandal generated. I won't go into the they are models, our children may copy from them issues. I believe Prof Abdallah has, as usual, dealt with that extensively and equitably.

I won't go as far saying we're backing the wrong tree, but I believe it goes beyond hausa film actors. Hausa film or no hausa film, the writing was there on the wall for all to see that the course toward societal collapse in our land had been charted long ago. Societal decay is the root. Unless we clean up our acts, reform our moral values and bring up our kids the right way, we will continue to climb our moral horses to abuse hausa film actors. They are not our problem. I will court controversy and say they are a reflection of what our society has become, is becoming or will become, given the signs now. As for Maryam Hiyana, Allah yasa wannan shine sanadiyar shiriya a gare ta. Allah yasa wannan ya zama hanyar shiyar da sauran 'yan fim, da kuma gyara harkar fim din gaba daya, amin.

You have said it all well bkg and also where i have read from hajiya's reply about the decency of dress code could be a starting point for the fixture of these issue which i think is a real good way of improving, as dressing modestly is a key to avoiding undesired situations. You can see that those that are studying abroad especially the younger generations come back with some sort of dress sense which are not under the islamic dress code but then the types of dinkuna that have made progression in nigeria as malam DB has noted is a serious case of fixing which all i can say for now or actually do is pray Allah kawo ranar ameen.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on August 20, 2007, 11:20:42 PM
As a sort of postscript to my contirbutions to this thread, I just want to address the issue of why this particular case attracted so much public attention. There are many reasons.

First, curiosity factor. It is the first time such a thing is happening in the Hausa public. No matter how many "fone porns" have been made, this one is the first to leap from the exclusiveness of a private sphere into public space. The interest is not in the act itself, but the act of its being recorded, providing some perversive voyeuristic pleasure to viewers. For a society not used to public manifestations of sexuality, this is explosive. There are unconfirmed reports that clip has been burned on a CD, and somehow somone has been able to convert the clip into pictures and posters are being made.

Second, the celebrity factor. Maryam "Hiyana" Usman is a celebrity. In all societies, there is an unhealthy pre-occupation with celebrity lives. Just glance at the covers of Hello!, National Enquirer and other supermarket check-out magazines and see how celebrities lose their privacy in the hands of paparazzi. Don't forget, for instance, that the "celebrity factor" might have contributed to the accident that killed Princess Diana when the vehicle she was in was hotly pursued by the paparazzi. If this Hiyana Fone Porn was acted out by nonentities, no one would have shown the slightest interest. In all the discussions about the clip, the questions people keep asking are, "who is this Bobo?". Thus the focus is not on him, but on HER, and she becomes a focus only because she is a celebrity.

Third, she became a celebrity BECAUSE of the film industry. That is why the center of gravity of the discussions are on the film industry. She was just a plain ordinary star-stuck high school graduate, with stars in her eyes and made a beeline for the film industry in Kano because she wants to be the next "super star". The Hausa video film industry elavated her to her current status. It gave her an anchor and an identity. The direct sexuality promoted in the video films -- the source of concern to moralists, Islamicists and hypocrites as well -- made the girls a magnet to all and sundry. The Hausa video film female "super stars" FLAUNT their sexuality, both on and off-screen. Despite their claims that they do so to "educate" (ilimintarwa, wa'azantarwa are their mantras) about the real behavior of our daughters (no one seems to care about the sons), the simple fact remains that it is this flaunting of tjeir assets, as it were, that made them targets for every pervert. Unfortunately, being human, they soon got caught in the web of their own delusions.

Sex scandals have always followed celebrities; that this thing has spread like wild fire in northern Nigeria is because it has never happened on this magnitude before. We all remember Michael Jackson's travails over the various accusations of child abuse cases. Pee Wee Harman was also a focus of unwanted attention over his own personal behavior. All these are public figures and for some reason, the public expects them to be saints, even in areas where they don't serve the public. I mean the child abuse allegations against Michael Jackson had nothing to do with the power, quality and beauty of his music; but his music -- and the music industry -- suffered because of his misdemeanor. Pee Wee Harman remained one of the best children's actors the planet has ever seen. That he was caught in indecent exposure to himself in a theater has nothing to do with his popularity with children. Yet he suffered. George Michael was also caught by a police officer in a toilet in a sexual midemeanor case; that did not diminish the power of his song writing (try Jesus to a Child, for instance) -- yet he suffered. The examples are endless; so it is not only Maryam Usman; it is the entertaiment industry that is unforgiving to a public figure being private in public. Whether in Islamicist, Islamicate or non-Islamic societies.

As this bizarre drama unfolds, other revelations started emerging -- sex, drugs, debauchery -- all the typical things associated with super star status all over the world seemed to be deeply entrenced in the Hausa video film industry -- further nailing their coffin of moralitude. These were all AIRED on the various FM stations in Kano, further emphasizing that the Hausa video film stars are acting real life dramas in their films of sex, drugs and debauchery.

As I posted ealier, and before this Hiyana Hiatus, the central objection of the Islamicate environment to the Hausa video film was the mode of female representation, and I argued that the filmmakers found it easier to use transethnics to portray the raw form of female sexuality (at least to the closeted Hausa male youth) that is the main selling point of the films. What makes this Hiyana case more significant is that Maryam Usman is a pure Fula; not some confused transethnic from either Ibadan, Jos or Enugu. The moral compass then shifts from ethnicity to morality. Hausa video film directors have always held the mantra that modernity is aping as much of Europe as possible -- and only in SEXUAL representation. The good aspects of Europe -- good planning, discipline, simple respect for each other, order; things that are essentially Islamic -- are not important to them. What is important is what will sell. Ali Nuhu, the Hausa-speaking actor (and later producer and director) who pioneered the Hindi-to-Hausa cloning technique justifies Westernization of Hausa video film on the basis of progress and modernity. In an interview granted in Niger Republic, he justifies cloning American and Hindi films by arguing that

“The political systems in Nigeria and Niger Republic are based on Western models. Why didn’t these countries create their own unique political systems? The Western society is the most progressive in the world, and everyone is trying to copy them. Even Arabs, who are strongly attached to their religion and culture, are now aping Americans, in their mode of dress and other things. It is modernity, and you must go with the times, or you will be left behind.” Interview with Ali Nuhu, Ra’ayi (Niamey, Niger Republic) Vol 1 No 1, February 2005, p. 7.

Similarly, Mansura Isah, the most visible of the erotic dancers in Hausa video films, suggested that such dances reflect changing times by arguing that:

“It’s modernization. They may not approve, but they still like it, you understand? It’s modernity. We are only reflecting what is happening in the real world. You will see young girls and boys in real life going to a party and getting down; well we are only showing how they do it. And I can tell you the audience like the way we get down in the films. If not, they would not have bought them. If a film is to show all the girls in hijab (Islamic dressing) and no getting down, I swear the film will flop…But if you make a trailer of a film showing nubile girls dancing and getting down, the audience will whoop with approval; yet those who abuse us are those who will go the market and buy the films.” Mansura Isah, defending her craft, Mudubi, July August 2005, No 11, p. 7).

This insistence on "modernity" as "sexuality" is what led to the current Hiyana Hiatus. Other forms of scandals have been rocking the Hausa video film industry, and one notices. There were cases of financial embezzlement, fist-fights between stars, etc. All these were not important because they don't deal with sexuality. Other occupational groups also engage in their own scandals -- lurid tales of Ustazai having a fling with their pupils abound; yet these are not taken on the same magnitude as the current case simply because Ustazai don't go about flaunting their sexuality. It is ironic, that the Hausa video filmmakers who insist on the "sex sells" filmmaking theory, and most of whom have been halted in the industry (by leaders who no cleaner themselves, as other revealations emerge) are now saying they have HALTED film production until further notice! The irony is that when the previous Kano State government announced this move in 2000 to to constant complaints from the moral bridage about the potentials for "batsa" in Hausa video films, the industry was up in arms. Lallai reshe ya juyewa mujiya!

I really feel sorry for this girl; sorry for the sheer hell she must be going through right now. This is something that will haunt her -- and possibly her children -- for the rest of her life. I pray that she has the faith to keep going -- because in some other societies, this is enough to drive her over the edge where she either becomes a lunatic or simply kill herself. Her faith will keep her going, and she must stick to the faith. I agree that there is a need to clean up the moral act in our communities. However, we cannot expect filmmakers to be saints while remain sinners; for we are all sinners and should seek Allah's forgiveness for our sins. Ya Allah ka yi mana gafara, Amin.

Abdalla

Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 21, 2007, 04:09:37 AM
Very Erudite professor. Wish I could dissect issues half as well as u can.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 21, 2007, 09:01:25 AM
Be that as it may, why this morbid, and almost near-fever eagerness to condemn Hausa films stars? You talk about financial embezzlement, drug use/dealings etc in the industry. I don't think such crimes are so criminal that they are worthy of embelishing someone, within the Nigerian context. Are such vices not even the norm in this country? Isn't that child that was raped (the one in Kano even died) more worthy of our attention? Weren't those kids on the streets killing, maiming, stealing worth our attention? What about that would-be rapist, ready to paunce on our little girls? Or those 'alhazai' with guest houses in Nassarawa GRA, where young girls, and boys, are "used" and brutallized on a daily basis? Or those homosexuals on the prowl? By the way homosexuality is even a way of life these days. Wasn't a chief Imam in Kano caught in the act a year or two ago? A guy went on a pleasure ride on a bike on a major street in katsina with his karuwa, both of them drunk and NAKED. On arrival at the destination, bottles of beer were poured on them by their mates. Wai su sha suyi wanka! Did we hear about it? Of course no. Yet we say Hausa films are not reflecting our society? That's a laugh to me. Cos I know we are either being hypocritical, blind to the truth, foolish or all.

Examples were made on western countries where films also went through such public scrutiny, and are always on the public eye. Fine. But those societies also make attemps to shore up the rot in their society. They take corruption seriously. They take issues like education, child upbringing and employment with the importance they deserve. They care for their ppl. Of course legislations or policy pronouncements were made once in a while to attempt to whip film industry in line, but they never believe for once that the film industry is responsible, or is a potential weapon for societal decay. They never see it as the root, or the cause of their problems. They do not look at it from that angle. As a result, attention and resources are channeled toward the right direction. Accusing fingers are pointed on the right culprit. Societal rot and decadence. The film industry is not the cause (potential or otherwise) of our social/moral decay. It is the result
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: manasmusa on August 21, 2007, 09:25:32 AM
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Ni na gaji da wannan thread din na Hausa films na bata al'adununmu na Hausa 'masu kyau'...
Lets concentrate on something esle.

Haba my sister! Allow the guy to  express his feelings. I think even if something of this nature is discussed here, we need to give him a chance to say what he wants to say. Many thanks Husna.
Ai husna abin ne da takaici da kuma ban haushi duk da dai ba tsantsar hausawane suke yi ba amma ya kamata anuna an damu da abin. pls alllow people to talk much.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on August 21, 2007, 10:51:25 AM
Very Erudite professor. Wish I could dissect issues half as well as u can.

Gaba da gabanta.
I'm astonished at what Husnaa has said above. Her thread always pleases me while someone thread can still fascinate her. My prayer is always to someday have a thread as well-written as hers. What a wonderful? Lallai duniyar nan da fadi take.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: gimbiya_khady on August 23, 2007, 01:31:26 PM
To ai ma baku ji abin haushi ba, wai fiancé din ta yace wai he will still marry her, even if the entire men of kano slept with her he will still marry her. In ba dan iska ba, da wanda bai da hankali ba, wani wawan na miji will see his girlfriend/ fiance what ever commit such an immoral act and still be with her? Haba haba? Wannan ai abin kunya ne. Unless he also a similar case  buried somewhere yet to be exposed.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 23, 2007, 02:12:32 PM
To ai ma baku ji abin haushi ba, wai fiancé din ta yace wai he will still marry her, even if the entire men of kano slept with her he will still marry her.

What's wrong with that Gimbiya? He wants to marry her, that is great. At least he is making an honest woman out of her and giving her a new lease of life and a new self respect in sha Allah. Tun da Allah ma Ya gafarta mana zunuban mu why should we not forgive each other? Granted she did terribly wrong. But there are millions who have done what she did and they were never found. That is the difference between her and others. Kuma it is not like taci amanar wani that is her husband. She is single so her sin is strictly between her and her God, and haddi kissa ma bai hau kanta ba.
Lets show more compassion for her despite everything, and keep the judgemental sword sheathed; mu kuma dada rokon Allah Ya Kiyaye mu da zuri'ar mu gabaki daya.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 23, 2007, 03:24:21 PM
Tabdi jam, ai wannan lamarin ina ganin mazane
yakamata su ba Gimbiya amsa.  Its very hurtning
to see your fiancee in this situation, and i doubt
in za a samu wani namiji wanda zai ga irin wannan
halin da yarinyar nan ta shiga kuma ya cigaba da
relationship din.  Its possible a samu, amma zai yi
wuya.

Kamar yanda mata basu sun kishiya, haka muma
muke da kishi, especially, where you have entrusted
all your love and heart to her.  Kai - abin da ciwo.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 23, 2007, 04:50:27 PM
Yes Dan Borno, Abin da ciwo, but seeing maza cheat much more often than women then it is really a hypocritical attitude for men to say they will discontinue the relationship. Kuma I am sure da za a ce shi Bobo din is married for example, his wife will not leave him because of this, Bugu da kari kuma,  jim kadan in ya nemi ya auri wata nan gaba, wannan abin ba zai sha gaban sa ba, ya bata masa al'amari kamar yadda ita Maryam din zai bata mata. Saboda haka since she has someone who is willing to overlook this, why should we judge too harshly? If we were in the same boat wouldnt we want some sympathy? Haba jama'a!!


 It is absolutely unfair a ce wai maza ne za su amsa wannan question din. After all a man was also a culprit in the affair.  Kuma ku maza that accuse women of too much kishi and talk about zama da kishiya, now u turn round and tell me that you cant find it in you to forgive even if you cant forget. Double standards ko? What's good for the goose is bad for the gander ko?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on August 24, 2007, 12:23:11 AM
Kuma I am sure da za a ce shi Bobo din is married for example, his wife will not leave him because of this,

Unfortunately, from the reports we received while compiling a special edition of FIM magazine (August 2007), Malam Bobo WAS married -- his missus left him when the scandal broke. I don't doubt there may be other women willing to marry him because he has become some kinda stud, although it would seem a wrong reason to marry a man. Now we are moving into "who is more right, who is more wrong" territory! Enjoy the debates!
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on August 24, 2007, 12:40:21 AM
Ai wallahi wannan lamari sai dai kawai addu'a. Gaskiya abin ya wuce duk inda hankalin mutum zai kai, amma in ance Allah, to magana ta kare.
Su Allah ya shirye su, mu kuma Allah yakiyaye mu.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 24, 2007, 09:35:53 AM
Su Allah ya shirye su, mu kuma Allah yakiyaye mu.
Shikenan kuwa. Haka naji wasu malamai suka fada a kan wannan abu da ya faru. Wani zagi da tsinuwa ba shine ba. Jarabta ba yadda bata zuwa ma dan adam. Su da suke wannan alfasha Allah ya shirye su. Mu kuma Allah ya tsare mu da iyalan mu da dukkan zuri'ar mu daga jarabtar duniya mai muni.

As Prof said, I also heard the guy's married. But didn't know the wife left him. Gaskiyar ka fa Abdallah ;D Now the debate begins; who's more wrong? At least the girl's single. But BoBo is married, probably with kids. I think he's badder. Me kika ce Husnaa? ;D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 24, 2007, 11:31:30 AM

Yes Bobo  is the major culprit in this fiasco. Tunda shi yayi initiating the whole probably, kuma mobile phone dinsa ce. Ita ma she must have had a mobile but she never thought to use it.
His wife has left him but I will bet anything that she hasnt left him for good. I dont know the chances of their getting back together, but I'd say there's still a pretty good chance. Unlike ita Maryam if supposing she was married, in mijin yayi fatali da ita sau daya to dama ba na biyu, don shikenan auren yayi kalas har abada. Ita kuma matar Bobo, as he holds the zaren auren maybe kunya ta sa ya tsinka amma don matar sa tabar gidan sa doesnt mean auren ya mutu. On the other hand if she takes him to court, its as good as kalas too.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 24, 2007, 03:12:22 PM
Yes, Hiyana is the major culprit in this fiasco. (copyrighting Hajiya's statement)
Saboda Allah, in ba wawta ba, how could she succumb
to this useless invitation to video taping.  I have critically
watched the video clip, wallahi sai ka ji haushinta, there
she is jigidim kamar an jika tsumma a bafo, no any effort
to confront Bobo, infact she was even encouraging him
further.

As to the issue of marriage faith, since both of them have
issues, i think they are both in the same shoe.  While
praying to Allah as Bakan Gizo already prayed, CAUTION
must also be taken on every relationship we take.  The
power of prayers can not be underestimated.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 24, 2007, 03:32:56 PM
Yes, Hiyana is the major culprit in this fiasco. (copyrighting Hajiya's statement)
Saboda Allah, in ba wawta ba, how could she succumb
to this useless invitation to video taping.  I have critically
watched the video clip, wallahi sai ka ji haushinta, there
she is jigidim kamar an jika tsumma a bafo, no any effort
to confront Bobo, infact she was even encouraging him
further.
Have we watched different clip? Cos I remember hearing her saying something like she's not comfortable, and would he delete it? She even ran away and hid under the bedspread. He replied that no one has access to his phone. Anyway, gaskiyar ka. She was very, very stupid indeed for agreeing to it. Amma ka tuna da raunin hankali irin mace (sincere apology to dem Husnaa & Co.). Shi ne namiji, ya fita hankali. Amma kamar yadda ka ce, abin haushin shine yadda ta zauna jigim tana kallon sa ;D ;D I still blame him more than her.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on August 24, 2007, 04:05:46 PM
Su Allah ya shirye su, mu kuma Allah yakiyaye mu.
Shikenan kuwa. Haka naji wasu malamai suka fada a kan wannan abu da ya faru. Wani zagi da tsinuwa ba shine ba. Jarabta ba yadda bata zuwa ma dan adam. Su da suke wannan alfasha Allah ya shirye su. Mu kuma Allah ya tsare mu da iyalan mu da dukkan zuri'ar mu daga jarabtar duniya mai muni.

Karshen tika tiki tik, wannan magana sai ta koma ga sa addua. What is done is done( Dana sani kyeya ce) Allah dai, ya rufa mata asiri data sami wanda zai aurenta. And about who is the one with more laifi is that they are both equal to each other, it doesnt matter about wheather he was married or not the same goes for her, they both know that this is haraam and no one forced them to do the aika aika. Abin da yanzu ya kamata suyi shine su nemi gafara ga Allah, Allah kuma gafarta mana ga baki daya Ameen.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 24, 2007, 06:02:50 PM
Lallai mazan nan baku da dama. Har comparing notes kukeyi (DB and BKG) on who saw and who heard what? A critical examination DB? is it a court case?  ;D ;D.
Amira kin yi magana Wallahi. Duk suna da laifi in equal measures if we should be objective.
I  feel sorry for her though. She must feel like yadda mutanen nan da basu bi Annabi Yakin Alkhandaq ba (I think) suka ji lokacin da Allah Ya sa Annabi Mohammad ya juya musu baya, kuma Allah Yayi describing how they felt  in Suratul Taubah: 
until  when the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for them, and their own souls were straitened for them till they bethought them that there is no refuge from Allah save toward Him. Then turned He unto them in mercy that they (too) might turn (repentant unto Him). Lo! Allah! He is the Relenting, the Merciful'. (Surah Taubah Verse 118)

She must feeling just as bad as that. Allah Ya Gafarta mata  (da shi ma) yadda Ya Gafarta ma wa'yannan su ukun. Ameen
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: dan kauye on August 25, 2007, 01:02:21 AM
It's terrifyingly ridiculous the length our people go to conceal the hypocrisy that's eaten away what's left of us and the pseudo-moralist ideology we are so caught up in.People soooooo loved the video in question.It's everywhere,peer-to-peer share files,Youtube,burnt DVDS,zig-zaggingly bluetoothe'd and infrared'd on every youth's-and adults alike,might I add-cell phone.Don't get it twisted,I do not,in any way,endorse or approve of such immoral act perpetrated by those two.I,however,believe that the fact that "the people" actually watch and enjoy the porn clip(yeah,it's one of the most sought-after/watched clip on Brightcove,Youtube etc) points to the hypocrisy that lies beneathe the veil of pretence,which in my opinion,is an even bigger problem.Allah ya sa much dace.Ameen.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on August 25, 2007, 11:06:59 AM
dan-kauye, your reply, after several peruses, is still beyond me. Though I've grasped something. But, were you saying that dirty vedio clip is uploaded in internet website like youtube.com?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on August 25, 2007, 07:58:47 PM
i hope not, yanzu kuma an fara wuce gona da iri. Yakamta a rufa a saya wannan lamarin ayi ta addua, amma wasu nafaman uploading wannan abin takaicin, sai kace its something good to be viewing >:(.

Allah kyauta ya karemu daga aikin shaitan Ameen.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: kitkat on August 25, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
Yes, Hiyana is the major culprit in this fiasco. (copyrighting Hajiya's statement)
Saboda Allah, in ba wawta ba, how could she succumb
to this useless invitation to video taping.  I have critically
watched the video clip, wallahi sai ka ji haushinta, there
she is jigidim kamar an jika tsumma a bafo, no any effort
to confront Bobo, infact she was even encouraging him
further.
Have we watched different clip? Cos I remember hearing her saying something like she's not comfortable, and would he delete it? She even ran away and hid under the bedspread. He replied that no one has access to his phone. Anyway, gaskiyar ka. She was very, very stupid indeed for agreeing to it. Amma ka tuna da raunin hankali irin mace (sincere apology to dem Husnaa & Co.). Shi ne namiji, ya fita hankali. Amma kamar yadda ka ce, abin haushin shine yadda ta zauna jigim tana kallon sa ;D ;D I still blame him more than her.

Ni fa har yazu an kasa samo min clip din nan a abuja, I had wanted to appraise it critically(ala dan borno) and find out what all the fuss is about. BG sau nawa ka ga ni ne from your running commentary it appears you gave it more than a once over ko da yake im sure it was for analytical reasons ;). the only hiyana clips on youtube are the songs or maybe im not searching properly
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on August 26, 2007, 11:27:06 PM
Ni gaskiya i want to make a comment a kan wannan al'amari once again, yakama ace yanzu kam mun daina wannan magana kuma, don yawaita magana akan abin it cause alot of bakin ciki kuma. Abinda kawai yakama muyi kamar yadda aka fadi already shine addu'a, i think that was best way.

Secondly, ni a nawa tunanin inaga yakama masu distributing din wannan vedio clip din su stopping haka, don fa mu tuna da hadith din ma'aikin Allah "......imanin dayanku baya cika har sai yasu wa dan'uwansa abinda yake sowa kansa" nasan ko ba wanda yakeson a rinka fadin/nuna wani aibu nasa. I hope zamu dagakatar da rarraba wannan vedio clip din.

Da fatan kuma Allah ya kiyaye gaba, mu kuma ya karemu da iyalanmu.

Jibrin M. Yusi Bajoga.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 27, 2007, 12:07:55 PM
It's terrifyingly ridiculous the length our people go to conceal the hypocrisy that's eaten away what's left of us and the pseudo-moralist ideology we are so caught up in.People soooooo loved the video in question.It's everywhere,peer-to-peer share files,Youtube,burnt DVDS,zig-zaggingly bluetoothe'd and infrared'd on every youth's-and adults alike,might I add-cell phone.Don't get it twisted,I do not,in any way,endorse or approve of such immoral act perpetrated by those two.I,however,believe that the fact that "the people" actually watch and enjoy the porn clip(yeah,it's one of the most sought-after/watched clip on Brightcove,Youtube etc) points to the hypocrisy that lies beneathe the veil of pretence,which in my opinion,is an even bigger problem.Allah ya sa much dace.Ameen.
Spot on, D-K 8) You echoed my feelings exactly.

Ni fa har yazu an kasa samo min clip din nan a abuja, I had wanted to appraise it critically(ala dan borno) and find out what all the fuss is about. BG sau nawa ka ga ni ne from your running commentary it appears you gave it more than a once over ko da yake im sure it was for analytical reasons ;). the only hiyana clips on youtube are the songs or maybe im not searching properly
Haba malam, believe me you don't want to watch it. ;D Nothing good/enjoyable about it. Nima abin da yasa na gani, kawo min akayi har office wai a nuna min, don anga wai nakan kalli films din hausa. Wanda ya kawo har da cewa "ai gashi nan, ku da kuke kallon su, ga irin abinda suke yi nan, ai dama an gaya muku 'yan iska ne". I then quickly reminded him of wata hajiya, matar aure da aka kama da wani a unguwar su, in her matrimonial home (the husband is away, but came back unexpectedly) just two weeks earlier. Anyway, the issue is barna dai an riga anyi ta. Amma kallon abin bai da wani amfani.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on August 27, 2007, 12:20:46 PM
Alhamdu lillahi, a lot have been said about this video
clip, even though some of our brothers/sister are of
the opinion that enough is enough on this topic.  From
my point of understanding, i think it will never be
enough for us to say a word or two concerning this
issue.  I view this whole saga as a sign (Aya) from
Allah to us, and the more we talk about it, the more
we appreciate Allah's blessings to us and those who
fear Allah accelerate more, while those who dont fear
Allah, this is the beginning of their journey.

The Holy Qur'an continuously narrates stories of the
then Fajirs and Kafirs and on several occasion, it
closes with "...so that you may fear Allah..." etc.
We shouldnt run away from our acts and as we keep
on discussing, surely we learn as we discuss.

Malam mai Ahalari said : shuruddut taubati, annadamu
ala ma fata......

Kit Kat, I verily recommend you watch this clip, you will
fee the way we feel - unbelievable.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on August 27, 2007, 12:22:24 PM
Yes, Hiyana is the major culprit in this fiasco. (copyrighting Hajiya's statement)

An ce imitation is the best form of flattery, Kam Bornoye. No need for the copyright notice.. I am highly flattered  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Dan-Borno
We shouldnt run away from our acts and as we keep
on discussing, surely we learn as we discuss...............
Kit Kat, I verily recommend you watch this clip, you will
fee the way we feel - unbelievable.

Ahem  ahem..... "Wala taqrabaz zinah.............."
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on August 27, 2007, 03:54:27 PM
Ahem  ahem..... "Wala taqrabaz zinah.............."
A'to. Fada masa gaskiya dai yaji.

Kit Kat, I verily recommend you watch this clip, you will
fee the way we feel - unbelievable.
Wrong advice. Bad recommendation. Why should you recommend "porn" (in whatever guise) to someone ::).What is there to see or feel?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: waduz on August 27, 2007, 04:24:36 PM
Wannan duk magana ake yi. Ai nasu ne ya fito fili, Allah ne kawai ya san abinda mutane ke tafkawa game da irin wannan ta'asa a kasannan, sai hattara! :'(
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bayya on August 27, 2007, 05:24:20 PM

Guyz,
I think it is time to lay this topic to rest.
It has really been beaten to death. No?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on August 27, 2007, 10:51:45 PM
I think that was the good idea. Let close wannan chapter din don Allah.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: EMTL on August 28, 2007, 11:38:09 AM
Assalamu alaikum,
I think all of us have learnt lots of lessons:
1. What we do Allah (SWT) knows and On the Day of Judegemnt it will be shown to us- Nobody would like to see him/herself as recorded in that clip- imagine being shown in front of everyone on Yaumil Haq- Allah Kiyaye2. If a mortal can record such events what more of Allah's Angels- 'Wa innakum lahafizuwn'3. Whatever we do may not only impact on our personality but could equally impact on our society, family, etc.
4. We must pray Allah (SWT) to protect us from all evil deeds- we need Allah's guidance, otherwise we could be led astray by Shaytan (La'anatul Lah Alaihi),
5. I havce seen so many people who stays in far away places e.g. Lagos, leaving behind their wife(ves) at home (North)- the implication is that they fall prey to Shaytan (LAA),
6. Mostly people who clings to ONLY one wife are in danger- what more of Bachelors,
7. We should not critisize people nor condem them when they err- although we should show our un-happiness, admonish them and also pray for them,
8. Allah (SWT) warns us not to go near any act/sign, etc. that would bring us near ZINA,
9. We must seek forgiveness for our deeds and those of other Muslims.
10. PLEASE remove this clip on your handsets, if at all you have it.
11. I have always thought that these Hausa films contains Sardonic satires and mis-represent our values and cultures. Allah (SWT) ya shiryemu baki daya-amiyn.
Nima ina neman gafarar Ubangiji kan munanan aiyukan dake aikatawa- kuma Ya kare mu baki daya-amiyn.

WSLM- ALKM
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: waduz on August 28, 2007, 12:19:02 PM
Are you sure we have exhausted all the threads of discussions on this topic? What do we do from here? Celebrate Hiyana and co? Let us keep the topic lively as it is teaching lessons toa lot of readers and would be.......... :-*
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on August 28, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
i hope not, yanzu kuma an fara wuce gona da iri. Yakamta a rufa a saya wannan lamarin ayi ta addua, amma wasu nafaman uploading wannan abin takaicin, sai kace its something good to be viewing >:(.

Allah kyauta ya karemu daga aikin shaitan Ameen.

Am not quite sure or I miscalculated you Amira, but am askin' not to know where it's for I wanna view it. Just rating and imagining the degree and distance this girlie thing have taken step to.

Nagode
Are you sure we have exhausted all the threads of discussions on this topic? What do we do from here? Celebrate Hiyana and co? Let us keep the topic lively as it is teaching lessons toa lot of readers and would be.......... :-*

Am with you.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on August 28, 2007, 07:44:14 PM

Am not quite sure or I miscalculated you Amira, but am askin' not to know where it's for I wanna view it. Just rating and imagining the degree and distance this girlie thing have taken step to.

Nagode

Muhsin i wasn't meaning it like that, am just saying i hope it aint been uploaded cos its now going to far ppl who have seen it have seen it, it should be left at that but why kuma upload it on the internet.hope you get me.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: fulanee on August 29, 2007, 05:37:46 AM
Sallama,
           Amira & Muhsin ai aikin gama yariga ya gama,the thingy is already on the net. Sai fatan Allah ya kiyaye gaba.AMEEN
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: kitkat on August 29, 2007, 09:23:46 AM
"Pornographic film: Shari’a Commission warns public
From MU’AWUYA B. IDRIS,Triumph reporter Katsina

Katsina state Shari’a Commission has warned to deal with anybody or group of people caught circulating pornographic film in the state.
Similarly, the commission has urged dealers of film sellers and Muslim Ummah circulating the film clip from the scandal of a Hausa home-video industry to delete such material.
The chairman of the commission, and Katsina State Grand Khadi, Alhaji Isa Muhammad Dodo told newsmen yesterday that the commission is worried over the circulation of pornographic films.
Alhaji Dodo while displaying the film, said it was brought before it by some concerned individuals.
He explained that the commission is given film dealers and sellers a second chance to stop the circulation and selling of the film or face prosecution.
The chairman who was not happy with their conduct, said religions do not condole nudity saying, ‘’As Muslims they contribute to better society instead of promoting social vices.’’
Alhaji Dodo reminded them that there are laid down rules that prohibit circulation of pornographic materials.
Meanwhile, one of the dealers, Malam Samaila Maiwada has promised to stop selling and circulating such materials.
He pledged to resort to selling educational and religious films and materials that would positively impact on people’s lives"



To tun da an fara kame mu dai mun yafe, wanda suka gani sun gani Allah ya tsare mu
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on August 30, 2007, 10:59:18 AM

Muhsin i wasn't meaning it like that, am just saying i hope it aint been uploaded cos its now going to far ppl who have seen it have seen it, it should be left at that but why kuma upload it on the internet.hope you get me.

I had since suspected this, that's why I expressed my dubiousness at first instant. Amma there is nothing. This is what they are describing as communication lacuna that happened between you & me.

Nagode.
Sallama,
           Amira & Muhsin ai aikin gama yariga ya gama,the thingy is already on the net. Sai fatan Allah ya kiyaye gaba.AMEEN

Don Allah? To Allah ya tsayar da wannan abun.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: EMTL on August 31, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Assalamu alaikum,
.......... another development.
A magistrate’s court sitting at Nomansland in Kano State has ordered the remand of a film producer, Farouk Nagudu and another man, Murtala Nyako in prison until September 4, over their involvement of circulation of a new GSM pornographic clip tagged " Mansura Isa movie" in the ancient city.

Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on August 31, 2007, 02:36:08 PM
INNALILLAHI......

You mean similar to Maryam Hiyana's vedio clip?

In haka ne to lallai sai kawai mu dage da addu'a

Allah ya sauwake.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: kitkat on August 31, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
Apparently its a marketing ploy, they made copies of a cheap american porn flick and labelled it "mansura sex movie" or something to ride the wave of the hiyana saga. Shegu kenan!
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on August 31, 2007, 09:55:34 PM
Apparently its a marketing ploy, they made copies of a cheap american porn flick and labelled it "mansura sex movie" or something to ride the wave of the hiyana saga. Shegu kenan!

To dai ba'a ji dadi ba >:(
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: dan kauye on September 03, 2007, 12:07:26 PM
Apparently its a marketing ploy, they made copies of a cheap american porn flick and labelled it "mansura sex movie" or something to ride the wave of the hiyana saga. Shegu kenan!

Pardon me but I hadta laugh at that.(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/africanfoxrep/1.gif)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/africanfoxrep/1.gif)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/africanfoxrep/1.gif)
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: waduz on September 03, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
Ummmm ;D Kai... Allah sawwaka, ashe haka kuma aka shiga sharri da kage? I only hope that our women should be more careful in dealing with others. It may not be off the line if one advises them to get married before it is too late. This "fim" doesn't seem to suit our culture, or does it? :o
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on September 03, 2007, 03:21:37 PM
Ummmm ;D Kai... Allah sawwaka, ashe haka kuma aka shiga sharri da kage?:o

Tooooooo!!!, Ni gaskiya i did get this issue har yanzu, Wannan abin na Mansurah it means is a fake ajanda?

If yes! By how aka gane cewa is a fake? because in haka ne to yakamata kenan a binciki na Maryam ma kenan.

Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on September 03, 2007, 03:44:35 PM
Tooooooo!!!, Ni gaskiya i did get this issue har yanzu, Wannan abin na Mansurah it means is a fake ajanda?

If yes! By how aka gane cewa is a fake? because in haka ne to yakamata kenan a binciki na Maryam ma kenan.
Yep, fake allright. You can even see the website's address on the edge of the screen. Though it was blurred. And another trademark logo on top. And it's a white man.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: kitkat on September 03, 2007, 05:31:44 PM
Tooooooo!!!, Ni gaskiya i did get this issue har yanzu, Wannan abin na Mansurah it means is a fake ajanda?

If yes! By how aka gane cewa is a fake? because in haka ne to yakamata kenan a binciki na Maryam ma kenan.
Yep, fake allright. You can even see the website's address on the edge of the screen. Though it was blurred. And another trademark logo on top. And it's a white man.

BG ka gano mana wannan ma ke nan..
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: amira on September 03, 2007, 05:33:48 PM
Shikenan!! theses ppl sun sami aikin yi, yazama jiki a wurinsu.
Wahalalu, Allah sauwaka Ameen
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: MySeLf on September 03, 2007, 11:22:40 PM
Sai ince ba mamaki, don kuwa lokaci da yawa zakaji mutane suna defending din yan film, cewa abinda sukeyi wai kwai kwayo ne kawai wanda ke burge society har ake saye.
Then sure yanzu sun kwai kwayo abinda zai kawo musu market fiye da their Indian wannabe films,  Allah ya taimake su kenan? 

Kuma nan gaba mai zasu kwai kwayo da sunan Hausa culture?  ???
Hhmmmmmmmmmm!!   :(
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: waduz on September 21, 2007, 04:39:39 PM
Ta faru ta kare, an yi wa mai dami daya sata!!!! Yanzu kam ta fito a fili abinda yan fim suke yi. Dama manya sun fadi cewa, yin fim ko shiryashi bai dace da musulmi ba, domin akwai cudanya mummuna tsakanin mata da maza...........Yan fim, ku nemi wani sanaa, ko ku yi aure!
So much dirt is coming out of the hausa fim industry without answers. Some people will certainly stop laughing to the banK! :'(
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on September 21, 2007, 08:48:51 PM
Sai ince ba mamaki, don kuwa lokaci da yawa zakaji mutane suna defending din yan film, cewa abinda sukeyi wai kwai kwayo ne kawai wanda ke burge society har ake saye.
Then sure yanzu sun kwai kwayo abinda zai kawo musu market fiye da their Indian wannabe films,  Allah ya taimake su kenan? 

Kuma nan gaba mai zasu kwai kwayo da sunan Hausa culture?  ???
Hhmmmmmmmmmm!!   :(
Lol that's me Myself, defending them..hehehehe!! Come to think of it, I STILL THINK THIS IS A STORM IN A TEA CUP!!!
I dont agree wai a daina wasan Hausa kwata kwata. Its an impossible thing to demand, right now or at any time in the future, unless we become like  Afghanistan in the time of the Taliban regime. Besides, this whole Hiyana hoolabaloo is an unfortunate event whereby wake daya kan bata gari. It is true that there is a lot that is wrong with the Hausa film industry, since in za abi ta kaidar musulunci ma, shi kansa yin wasan kwaikwayo ta duk yadda aka bullo shi, is considered haram, according to some mazhabs I believe, or the interpretations of certain hadeeths by some muallims. Amma kuma, before we diss the actors and lump them totally as societal dregs, we must remember that they generate work for a section of the youth that would otherwise be unemployed right now. They also provide entertainment for large section of the society, in a society where we have very few avenues of occupying our minds, other than keeping a majalisar abokai, or playing snooker, or watching league matches, or plain watching cable tv, which is an even bigger fitinah!! Kuma we must remember that the Hiyana affair was a PRIVATE affair that unfortunately became public knowledge. Remember that Allah Hides  millions of ppls' sins every day. Its like BKG said that if she hadnt been famous, it wouldnt  have been a matter of much interest  as he pointed out several incidences just as bad or even worse than that which occurred in Katsina, but were effectively hushed up. So in other words, it really has nothing to do with the Hausa films themselves than with the actors in their daily lives, which they were not acting out, and therefore should not be confused with their screen personas or what ever.

It is true however that Maryam should have been a role model for the society of other girls. Even here, I cant fault her because how many ppl can we really genuinely count as role models in this society of ours? Wai menene baya faruwa a Abuja ne? isnt the capital a hotbed of sinful actions?
Kwanakin baya ji nake a BBC lecturers were taken to task for trading marks for female services ko ba hakaba?  I do remember writing to the Beeb Hausa section to complain of the unfair treatment of lecturers at the hands of Ibrahim Dosara bcos he claimed that malaman Jamia were responsible for the lalacewar yara a society, while to my mind, any lalacewa was a product of a bad and shaky foundation from the home turf..... kowa dai da laifin sa at any rate.  Kuma kwananan a ka kama wa'yan su samari 'yan daudu a Bauchi, right? Then what about the 'yan madugu? etc etc...

We shouldnt penalize 'yan wasan hausa enmasse for the mistakes of a few of them. They should be reprimanded quite rightly and suspended whatever... but they shouldnt be made the scapegoats of the societal ills and truly speaking, they are just acting out what society is all about presently and unfortunately, their private lives spill over when they should really be more careful how they conduct themselves at all times. Having said that, I am not condoning what maryam did, just empathizing with her.. we all make mistakes even terribly costly ones.

Did anybody hear about Adam Zango, wani film actor who is currently in jail over the matter of producing a  collection of Hausa songs and dances. I was flabbergasted to hear that. Wai wannan kwamitin what ever they are, basu san abin da sukeyi ba truly. They are just making a scapegoat of someone so as to be seen to be doing something. I cant see what is wrong with producing a cd of popular hausa movie songs and dances. I mean its not as if it contains any explicit material.  I am glad that the movie industry is shaking the stupor of the Hiyana fiasco off its back and taking action against the imprisonment of one of its members.. Haba.. Dan Allah kada abin yashige gona da iri kuma mana. In ana so a kama wani da laifi, don Allah su je su cabke patricia ette.. her actions will eventually impact negatively on millions of Nigerians, amma an zauna akan small fry...irin su   actors wa'yanda a kalla dai kudin da suke samu ba sato shi su ke yi ba, kuma bai taka kara ya karya ba, in an hada shi da na patricia ette..
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Abdalla on September 23, 2007, 01:53:40 AM
Did anybody hear about Adam Zango, wani film actor who is currently in jail over the matter of producing a  collection of Hausa songs and dances. I was flabbergasted to hear that. Wai wannan kwamitin what ever they are, basu san abin da sukeyi ba truly. They are just making a scapegoat of someone so as to be seen to be doing something. I cant see what is wrong with producing a cd of popular hausa movie songs and dances. I mean its not as if it contains any explicit material.  I am glad that the movie industry is shaking the stupor of the Hiyana fiasco off its back and taking action against the imprisonment of one of its members.. Haba.. Dan Allah kada abin yashige gona da iri kuma mana. In ana so a kama wani da laifi, don Allah su je su cabke patricia ette.. her actions will eventually impact negatively on millions of Nigerians, amma an zauna akan small fry...irin su   actors wa'yanda a kalla dai kudin da suke samu ba sato shi su ke yi ba, kuma bai taka kara ya karya ba, in an hada shi da na patricia ette..

Jama'a, Sallama

I just want to provide further info about the Adam Zango affair. Earlier this year (2007) he released an MTV-style Music Video CD titled BAHAUSHIYA. It is the typical usual Lagos-style music video -- in fact watching it is straight out of Channel O -- nubile girls in tight fitting jeans and T-shirts shaking everything that could be shaken. So far so fine. It is a VCD that will appeal to the Lagos axis, and if he had played his card right, might even be played on Channel O.

His problem, however, was that he called it BAHAUSHIYA -- the Hausa Girl. He was arrested on the charges of casting asperations on an ethnic group -- the Hausa. The Federal and State censorship Board laws prohibit any artiste -- especially in Film, to cast asperation on any religious or ethnic group. According to the National Film and Video Censorship Board Law (Abuja), for a film to be accepted for public consumption,

a)   such a film has an educational or entertainment value, apart from promoting the Nigerian culture, unity and interest, and
b)   that such a film is not likely
i.   to undermine national security, or
ii.   to induce or reinforce the corruption of private or public morality, or
iii.   to encourage or glorify the use of violence, or
iv.   to expose the people of African heritage to ridicule or contempt, or
v.   to encourage illegal or criminal acts,
vi.   to encourage racial, religious or ethnic discrimination or conflict, or
vii.   by its contents to be blasphemous or obscene.


Remember, these rules are not the "Kano Taliban" rules -- they are Federal and enforced by the Federal censor. The SAME rules were adopted by the Kano State Censorship Board in 2001.

The Prosecutor's charges against Adam Zango's BAHAUSHIYA ALBUM were that by labeling the VCD Bahaushiya, the Hausa ethnic female was placed in bad light because she was mispresentated. Further, all the lyrics were in Hausa language -- further denoting an ethnic "misrepresentation".

That is the legal stuff. Let us look at the creative stuff. Right now as I am writing this (at 1.23 a.m.!) I am watching the VCD. I am not impressed. But then contemporary Hausa visual entertainment -- the films, the MTV music videos and the film soundtracks -- leave me extremely cold; but hey, that's me.

Be that as it may, however, the VCD falls into the category of "Hausawa ma na yin irin wannan" entertainment ethos -- show to the world that Hausa-speakers (if not Hausa ethnics) can also gyrate just like the Lagos axis musicians.  In fact I REFUSED to buy it (at 150 naira -- slightly more than a dollar) when a street vendor showed me a bunch of new Hausa CDs. I bought the Mai Dawayya CD, but rejected the Adam Zango VCD. Two days later, Adam Zango was arrested, the Bahaushiya Album VCD  banned. I immediately went looking for it (I and thousands of others who ignored it in the first instance). Had to bloody pay double for it. The point of my anectode is that I ignored the VCD the fist time I saw it because there was nothing offensive to me (beside being a media and censorship historian). As far as I am concerned, called it BAHAUSHIYA could simply mean it is a HAUSA song (as in "Bahaushiyar Waka"), not necessarily indicating that it is a representative depiction of Hausa girls. That was my initial interpretation -- and why I rejected it because to me Bahaushiyar Waka means something like Shata's Bakandamiya.

If there is anything offensive about the Bahaushiya Album it is that is awful. Pure plain and simple awful. Even the physical production is awful -- many missing portions, poor production, etc. So mediocre so mundane that I wonder how it can be considered a form of entertainment. Dan Kauye would certainly throw up on watching this :D. But producing an awful album is not a crime, is it; I mean ask 50 Cents!

But it must apparently mean lots of things to many people, because although the dude is in prison, his accountant is smiling all the way to the bank. He had ordered over 10,000 copies to be printed -- and all have sold out; although this happened AFTER he was arrested. The sales were a good publicity for him -- which made him more prominent than his lack of talent warrants. If I were the Censor, I would just ignore him, for I am pretty sure there was no way he could sell more than 2,000 copies on his own steam.

I am against censorship of creative arts, and I therefore don't support the arrest and incarceration of any artiste, even if I think his production is so terrible that he should be shot! (as in the case of this absolutely AWFUL VCD by Adam Zango). At the same time, artistes have a responsibility to be sensitive to their societies. Adam Zango and his label FKD Records have their sights firmly in Hollywood-Bollywood mindset. I just wish they would remember that their feet are still on soil trying to be Islamic -- whether hypocritically or not. Allah Masani.

Abdalla
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: waduz on September 28, 2007, 10:00:17 AM
Wai shi Ahmad Zango kam Bahaushene da zai shirya wani abu wai Bahaushiya? Yadda abubuwa ke faruwa a fim industry, komai ma na iya wakana. "dancers shaking whatever is shakeable" Haka da kyau, wai kare ya ga rawan kura! :o
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on September 28, 2007, 12:25:08 PM
Wai shi Ahmad Zango kam Bahaushene da zai shirya wani abu wai Bahaushiya? Yadda abubuwa ke faruwa a fim industry, komai ma na iya wakana. "dancers shaking whatever is shakeable" Haka da kyau, wai kare ya ga rawan kura! :o

Gane muni hanya waduz.
Any way, two days. Wish you are/were doing fine.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: bakangizo on September 28, 2007, 12:56:03 PM
Wai shi Ahmad Zango kam Bahaushene da zai shirya wani abu wai Bahaushiya? Yadda abubuwa ke faruwa a fim industry, komai ma na iya wakana. "dancers shaking whatever is shakeable" Haka da kyau, wai kare ya ga rawan kura! :o
You know, it amuses how we've all suddenly remember that wane da wane ba hausawa bane/ba 'yan Kano bane. When the going was good (if ever there was such time) I can't recall anybody saying anything about ba hausawa bane ko kuma ba 'yan Kano bane. To ina kanawan da hausawan suke? Su shigo harkar su gyara mana, in basu so wasu su bata musu suna? Sai surutu da criticism muka iya. Film industry aside, there are many ppl who have contributed a lot to this state and made names in our society, despite their being non-hausa. Yet we have never praised them and point out that they are not hausa. In fact we even prefer to hide their real identities, kar a ce ai ba bahaushe (ko dan kano) yayi achieving din haka ba, don mu mun kasa. Yanzu ta kwabe, muna gudun su muna cewa ba 'yan kano bane. Get off it, please.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on September 28, 2007, 03:16:12 PM
Wai shi Adam Zango kam Bahaushene da zai shirya wani abu wai Bahaushiya? Yadda abubuwa ke faruwa a fim industry, komai ma na iya wakana. "dancers shaking whatever is shakeable" Haka da kyau, wai kare ya ga rawan kura! :o
I can't recall anybody saying anything about ba hausawa bane ko kuma ba 'yan Kano bane. To ina kanawan da hausawan suke? Su shigo harkar su gyara mana, in basu so wasu su bata musu suna? Sai surutu da criticism muka iya. Film industry aside, there are many ppl who have contributed a lot to this state and made names in our society, despite their being non-hausa. Yet we have never praised them and point out that they are not hausa. In fact we even prefer to hide their real identities, kar a ce ai ba bahaushe (ko dan kano) yayi achieving din haka ba, don mu mun kasa. Yanzu ta kwabe, muna gudun su muna cewa ba 'yan kano bane. Get off it, please.

Wannan magana gaskiya ne, domin da an dauki mataki tun farko da abin bai kai haka lalacewa ba.

Anyway! yanzu dai ina ga ba'a makara ba, don ko Allah na nan idan dai ana da niyar gyara, to za'a gyara, sai dai indan son zuciya yayi yawa.

Allah ya taimaki gaskiya tare da mai bin hanyar ta.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: gogannaka on November 11, 2007, 02:36:24 AM
I have watched the Adam A Zango Video,the much talked about 'playgirl' video.
As Prof said,it is sort of the typical lagos style video.The song is about how some girls play around without thinking of the consequence the song goes like 'omoge na so you be,ten boyfriends you change in a week......'

A gaskiya an zalunchi bawan Allan nan.
The most explicit thing shown was the girl in the scenario who wore a tight trouser and was dancing.Her face was minimally shown.
There are lots of videos that were more explicit than his.I wish i had memorised someclips i saw on a friends phone.

Bottomline:-his 1 year imprisonment is unjustifiable,bahaushe or non bahaushe.
Su dai kawai suna son su kashe zancen Hiyana so Zango was made a scapegoat.
And the video featured Billy O how come he was not imprisoned ai tare ta kada musu duwawun.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: EMTL on November 12, 2007, 11:23:09 AM
Assalamu alaikum,
I have watched the Adam A Zango Video,the much talked about 'playgirl' video.

Wasu kalle-kallen suna kashe idanu.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on November 12, 2007, 07:52:48 PM
EMTL, ai karin ilmi ba haramun bane ko?
after all what is there that is so new to
my Boss GGNK? 
Is it the tight jeans or the dancing bu......ks?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bee on November 12, 2007, 08:53:23 PM
Salam.
        I am not a fan of hausa films and i do not think ill ever be but the truth is, those people in hausa film industry only do what people want them to do.People want to see them dancing.They dance.They want to hear them singing.They sing.They want to see them wear skimpy cloths and they do just that and we still make noise when they are only doing what people want them to do even if that erazes our original culture and tradition and our religion forbids that.People complain but still buy thier vedeos.Plenty leave school to join the hausa film industry and plenty more leave thier homes and resposibilities because they know they are going to do exactly what people want them to do.There is no conner these days that you will pass by without hearing any hausa movie song and most dont even make sense.Gashi kuma they have got some annoying titles that will make you want to cry.Daga aji zabori,tsintsiya,almakashi,dusa, cokali and i am positive that in an bincika za a samu a titles na hausa films but these are what people want to hear.
     
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on November 12, 2007, 09:26:42 PM
sting them lightly, else, there are more hausa fans
in the house than you expected and they will soon
descend on you.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bee on November 12, 2007, 11:08:17 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: MySeLf on November 12, 2007, 11:56:33 PM
I have watched the Adam A Zango Video,the much talked about 'playgirl' video.

There are lots of videos that were more explicit than his.I wish i had memorised someclips i saw on a friends phone.

Bottomline:-his 1 year imprisonment is unjustifiable,bahaushe or non bahaushe.
Su dai kawai suna son su kashe zancen Hiyana so Zango was made a scapegoat.
And the video featured Billy O how come he was not imprisoned ai tare ta kada musu duwawun.


Gaskiyarka Gogan, there are more masu serious laifi then him, kawai dai as you said he was made a
scapegoat to cover maryam hiyana scenario.
Allah dai ya sawake......
But sending him to prison will also serve as lesson to other film directors that they can no longer cross
the bottom line and go free, which I think is good.

Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bayya on November 13, 2007, 04:32:58 PM
But sending him to prison will also serve as lesson to other film directors that they can no longer cross
the bottom line and go free, which I think is good.

Yes ma'am, You are very right.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bajoga on November 14, 2007, 03:14:30 PM
Salam!!!!

Well, this issue na hausa fim, i think is a good issue to discuss, amma kuma gaskiya magana laifin mune. Because ba yadda mai kaya zai kasa kayan sayarwa bai sayarba for many time sa'annan kuma yaci gaba kasawa, he must have to change another business. In ko haka ne, mu da muke sayan vedio fim/audio naso da kuma nuna musu sha'awar wannan aiki nasu, to mune muke daure musu gindi.

Allah dai yasa mu dace.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on December 04, 2007, 09:35:13 AM
sting them lightly, else, there are more hausa fans
in the house than you expected and they will soon
descend on you.
Ahem I heard that DB(http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/020105/020105_emMO3.gif)
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: IBB on December 04, 2007, 08:50:40 PM
Whats it saying? I tried to read the lips couldnt get a clue. But i think the 1st is 'Hey'
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on December 04, 2007, 09:40:32 PM
IBB! IBB!! IBB!!, i have two wives and i have no
intention of adding one again, so what is wrong
with you following me and even trying reading my
lips.  Duk laifin Aunty Husnaa ne.

Some1 pls tell me where IBB dey do zance  ;D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bee on December 04, 2007, 09:55:07 PM
Haha. i think it is saying ' i'm watching you '
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on December 04, 2007, 11:33:19 PM
correct (http://smileyonline.free.fr/images/gif/animaux/vignette1/thumbnails/1036535522_gif.gif). Hala kema u get those firefox smileys ko? or u dey read sign language ab?  ;D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: IBB on December 05, 2007, 03:27:16 AM
IBB! IBB!! IBB!!, i have two wives and i have no
intention of adding one again, so what is wrong
with you following me and even trying reading my
lips.  Duk laifin Aunty Husnaa ne.

Some1 pls tell me where IBB dey do zance  ;D

Allah ja zamanin ka. What gives you the impression that am stalking you? See me see trouble. And what do you want to do with inda nake zance. Ko zaka mun kwace ne irin na YAR-KURCIYAR SOYAYYA. To let me let you i'v paid the dowry so that your Rawani and big platform you are seated cannot lue her away from me. ehem

Haha. i think it is saying ' i'm watching you '

I thought of that too. But the lips are saying something different from the fingers. Watch closely

correct (http://smileyonline.free.fr/images/gif/animaux/vignette1/thumbnails/1036535522_gif.gif).

Correct Bee? Hmnn try read the lips
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Muhsin on December 05, 2007, 10:59:50 AM
Hunsaa, where can I get these firefox smileys?
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: HUSNAA on December 05, 2007, 02:50:47 PM

Haha. i think it is saying ' i'm watching you '

I thought of that too. But the lips are saying something different from the fingers. Watch closely

correct (http://smileyonline.free.fr/images/gif/animaux/vignette1/thumbnails/1036535522_gif.gif).

Correct Bee? Hmnn try read the lips

correct IBB

Muhsin download firefox, then look through list of add-ons for smileys.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bee on December 05, 2007, 03:42:47 PM
Hahaha.Two fingers pointing at its eyes and a finger pointing at you says 'im watcing you'. When you are glued to cartoons,you will come across such things and lots more. ;D
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: gogannaka on December 14, 2007, 05:16:24 AM
Na yi withdrawing statement din da nayi akan Adam A Zango.
Ashe ni video daya kwal na gani.
Gaskiya ya yi ta'asa sosai and he deserved to be punished.
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Dan-Borno on December 14, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Ba mu musha labari mana abokina!
Title: Re: Hausa Fim
Post by: Bee on December 14, 2007, 01:15:58 PM
Oh yeah! A bamu labari musha