Just heard from my uncle that,efcc boss has been removed,waoooh what do you think is future of efcc without a galant and gladiator like ribadu?and who do you think is going to attain that position?
Ka tambayi Dan Borno, who is an ardent supporter of 'Yar adua, who is turning out to be a very WEAK I say WEAK president...wai ana ce wa shi mai gaskiya; Gentleman! Tsssui! Gaskiyar sa za ta kasance ba ta Allah da Annabi ba, in dai ya bari a ka chire Nuhu Ribadu da ga mukamin sa. Gaskiyar sa zata zaman to irin ta matsorata wanda ba za su iya tsayawa tsayin daka su ga anyi abubuwa fi sabilillahi ba!
In da janar Buhari ne, ai in ma zai sa a cire Nuhu Ribadu, zai fito fili ya fada wa talaka dalili, ko da yake ma ba zai yi ba, saboda mai ya ke da shi da za a tabo shi! Kai Allah dai Ya Isa in dai Ribadu ya tafi!
allah sarki...kuna wasa da nigerian government kenan, just wait until they summone him for questioning himself!
Quote from: HUSNAA on December 30, 2007, 04:37:09 AM
Ka tambayi Dan Borno, who is an ardent supporter of 'Yar adua,
Why are you guys so curious about the happenings
in the Nigerian system of governance. You all forgot
that its Obasanjo that appointed Nuhu Ribadu unto
this seat. Its a tradition that once you are in power
you put those loyal to you, even though they are
public officers - and i am sure that is what my able
and courageous President is doing.
You wont understand the art of governance, and there
are so many things that happens without explanation,
meanwhile, you guys have to bear with us, despite
the pressures from the US Government not to take
down Nuhu Ribadu. We have so many able hands that
can do the job, Ribadu was'nt in the pix before now
but he made it, so we think whoever is coming will also
show his patriotism.
EFCC has done great under the leadership of Malam,
but Malam doesnt steer the organisation alone, there
are other able young and promising men and women
who helped him to success, these men are still there
and we arwe confident they will lead EFCC to a greater
heights.
Meanwhile, I am congratulating Malam (
mni in view).
You know what? I feel like hitting the roof in frustration when ppl keep saying that we have other able promising young ppl who can do the job. That is exactly what WADUZ said with regards to Doris Akunyele (that right?) of NAFDAC. We know we have promising able young ppl who can take over the jobs. What we dont have a lot of are HONEST GOD FEARING INDIVIDUALS WHO WONT STEAL from the government coffers and who will do the job AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE!!
So unless we get a surplus of such type of ppl, the capable and honest ones that we managed to get into the right places should be allowed to stay where they are, and let us utilize them as much as possible until they reach the limits of their abilities then they should be honorably retired and hopefully by then they have inculcated a sense of accountability to those who will succeed them.
If OBJ appointed Ribadu and Ribadu happened to be a diamond in the rough why dont we continue to polish the diamond and get it to iachieve its optimum radiance value? Why do we need to substitute the diamond for zirconium? it's irrational, except that the Nigerian system of governance is rotted to the core.
PS loyalty has nothing to do with the removal of Ribadu. Ribadu is loyal only to the Nigerian public and that is how it should be. If he is being removed because he is loyal to the common man on the street, then 'Yar adua doesnt deserve to be in power, because he should be the most loyal to the common man since he is public servant numero uno! >:(
Whenever I am sanguine about the situation in my country, the wallaby track of the kitschy crowds dislodges my concept and ideologies to a genetic monstrosity, preferring a pessimistic posture in the context of paradoxical contradictions. Mallam Nuhu Ribadu is now removed from the EFCC job by President Umaru Musa Yar adua in connivance with the Inspector General of Police. This deal shoddy as it is, will not go well with the Nigerian State, especially now that the polity is in dire need of rescue from the everlasting corruptible generations. I have said it times without number in this very conventional space that every well meaning Nigerian who wish Nigeria well will definitely sympathize with her own situation on two things. First, her position as a failed state where all democratic etiquettes, decorum, and principles are no longer obtainable, but thwarted and obliterated by undesirable elements who do not mean well to our national savvy. Second, are the pathological symptoms and chronic signs of power maneuverability, which made our leaders go crazy in the business of dispensing injustice and dishonesty under the guise of pursuit of the rule of law.
It is an established fact that the likes of Nuhu Ribadu and El-Rufai are what the entire Nigerian people deems fit to get as turn around shakers and prime movers of the dejected entity called Nigeria. These people against the backdrop of all criticisms and hate have tried willy –nilly to put things in order. But today, a lot of accusations and political melodrama have flooded the country that these people are no longer useful even when they were hell-bent to sacrifice their lives in dealing with Nigerian situation squarely.
Well, I don't think this country will grow in the near future. Certainly not during our generation. Were Mallam Aminu Kano, Sa'adu Zungur(Dan kwarai), Zik of Africa, Sardauna alive, they would have asked Allah for an early recall because of the way Nigeria is transformed into an avalanche of betrayals and bundles of deceit, corruption, bribery, sheer fraud and vendetta.
Just because Mallam Nuhu Ribadu wants to prove to the whole world that certain governor single handedly used tax-payers money to sponsor Yar'adua's campaign, could be tactically penalized by obliging him to go back to school?
In sha Allah some of us that have been threatened this way will soon go to exile by dropping our pen and watch things from the background. Throughout my seven years of national commentaries in the Nigerian dailies, I have never seen a country that is so resilient and hopeless like ours. It is only in Nigeria that when an officer shows any sign of competence, he/she is rewarded with ingratitude of the so-called servant leaders as martial valour.
When a friend of mine invited me to Ghana to stay with him for a year, I was initially lackadaisical; because I thought we can stay home and make our country great. But now I think I have no choice than to make him know that I am ready to go even beyond Ghana. When Governor Turaki threatened me by sending his Commissioner of special duties and social securities, to stop me from telling truth to power, just because I am defending an agrarian state that is cheated, ravaged and bastardized, I was made to lose some focus. But that could not kill but makes me stronger. To date, if I remember what happened, I become completely bemused at our so-called leaders, because they are nothing but laughing stocks. They tried to intimidate me but at the end of the day got intimidated; they tried to blackmail me but it's they who got blackmailed.
To me, the truth is the best and my only friend. And as my mentor, Paul Mamza says, for those who chose to follow the path of chicanery really find us very unpalatable.
I will have to beg all my friends here at Kanoonline to please forgive me if I wronged anybody, because I will soon exit myself from featuring in any analytical discourse or issues that has to do with Nigeria. I will remove all my posts from Kanoonline and anybody who is interested in them can contact me any day i.e for those who have my contacts.
My mind has already told me to go back to construction industry (a place where I am properly destined to be) and finish the rest of my life goals and career there. Really, I have to confess to you that I am tired the way my very close friend and associate, Ibrahim Waziri stopped contributing and featuring regularly in any meaningful national discourse. In deed, when Ibrahim Waziri stopped writing for a while, I was particularly not happy based on the fact that when one stops contributing, he/she begins to die.
However, I am not saying that I will stop writing or passing commentaries at the national or international scene, but for Nigeria, I am no longer hopeful as to when my mind will ever have a flash back. It is my firm belief that, I in company of Waziri have tried our best and Allah knows that we have gathered ample experience over our involvement with our learned elders. I have intermingled and championed a course with the likes of Profs Ango and U.B Ahmed, Kabiru Tsafe(former state minister of petroleum), Kurfi, Mahmud Tukur, and Alhaji Magaji Dambatta. But whenever I remember the series of meetings we have undergone with these people, which ended up as an exercise in futility, I feel sad and totally disgruntled about the attitude and mentality of our people.
May God save Nigeria, but I cannot be consumed by these crops of personalities who don't care for the well being and future of our young generations. Surely posterity will never forgive them for ravaging the collective efforts of their grand grandparents.
OMG!! Nuruddeen that post sounds so final and tragic! Dont give up yet! What is happening in Nigeria is really very very disheartening. Amma kuma ppl like you shouldnt give up what u are doing. Maybe success may not be immediate, but if we all give up then we all die! :-\
Quote from: *~MuDaCriS~* on December 30, 2007, 02:18:09 PM
allah sarki...kuna wasa da nigerian government kenan, just wait until they summone him for questioning himself!
A gaisheka
*~MuDaCriS~*, it seems like you know the reality of the system or at least this part of the system...
Quote from: Nuruddeen on December 30, 2007, 05:06:07 PM
I will have to beg all my friends here at Kanoonline to please forgive me if I wronged anybody, because I will soon exit myself from featuring in any analytical discourse or issues that has to do with Nigeria. I will remove all my posts from Kanoonline and anybody who is interested in them can contact me any day i.e for those who have my contacts.
Nuruddeen - I hope that it is not THE PLIGHT OF NUHU RIBADU that has made you to make this decision... because the problem of Nigeria is not that of one person - The problem of Nigeria is a systematic one. Systematic problems are always difficult if not impossible to fix... you just have to find a way to work within or outside (ie. leaving the country) of system with your intergrity intact.
Malam Nurudeen,
I would be lying if I didn't say how much I understand your sentiments at this point in time. I agree with you wholeheartedly that our situation is dire. I understand Waziri's sentiments as well as I personally know how much effort he has made towards solutions for Arewa. I also agree with you that despite immense lip service, even the leaders with whom we associate hope, never seem to deliver.
But Nuruddeen, I don't for one minute, think that you should give up hope at all. Why should you? Yes things are getting worse, yes when you talk they hardly listen, yes even when you meet and agree on certain issues, they turn around and do the opposite (I have similar experiences as well). Yes when they fill us with hope, they spectacularly let us down, but still I ask you, why should you give up?
Is not the truth what we speak? Are not the solutions we discuss and proffer truthful solutions based on what we feel is best for our country? If so, then why should we give up? Should we then leave the country to them to do as they please? What does that then make us? Better people? I doubt that
Nuruddeen, we are soldiers who fight using words for one thing only, the truth. We speak without sentiments, with justice, fairness and with good intentions, loud and clear, to all who will listen. The fact that they do not listen should not deter us, it should make us think about different approaches and how we could achieve our ends despite these stumbling blocks. The fact that we discuss such constructive issues in the first instance is indicative that things are changing, albeit rather slowly. It is frustrating to see things worse than they were yesterday, I know, but should we not then concentrate on rethinking our methods and solutions, rather than giving up all together?
Nuruddeen, why should we give up? Will that be a solution? Instead why not ponder, re-plan on how we can better achieve and then be patient? Remember, it took Mandela 30 yrs, 25 of which was spent in prison, yet at the end he achieved his end (by the grace of the almighty). Shouldn't we be similarly patient and never give up hope?
I believe that intrinsically, putting our hopes in our leaders to find solutions for us is a hopeless case and is some what part of our problem. We are experiencing what Europe experienced before the birth of the renaissance. Will we cower and let the powers that be continue as they please leaving us in the dark ages, or will we, like the dreamers and thinkers of the renaissance period, devoid of political power, but armed with the ideas, thoughts and innovation, find solutions to seemingly impossible problems and redefine the direction of our nation?
I share your exasperation for all things that don't work in this country and for the seemingly irresponsible and misdirected leaders we seem to be bedevilled with. However, like the sun that rises every day on a dark world, I feel that Nigeria (especially the north) will need the discussions and ideas that emerge from the likes of yourself and the other forumites I meet regularly, to brighten our seemingly gloomy path.
Again Nuruddeen, I say to you and to my very good friend Waziri, Don't give up, we owe it to our selves; to our Lord that has blessed us with the ability to write, to think and to talk; and to our children to whom we bequeath the Nigeria of tomorrow.
Besides, in the very small world we live in today, you never know just who may be listening.
Every day I think of what Nigeria could be. You will need to find a great man or a political movement which will not be corrupted by the oportunity to steal huge sums of money when in power. Many have been elected on that promise. I fear Nigeria will collapse into chaos unless a huge change of direction is made. There are world powers looking greedily at Nigeria's oil and other great riches.
Ku rabu da Nura, if he is really serious about this great
country, let him join politics and make the difference.
Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 31, 2007, 09:56:02 AM
Ku rabu da Nura, if he is really serious about this great
country, let him join politics and make the difference.
If he joins politics to make a difference, ai sai an bashi damar, then he can make a difference. Me yake faruwa with janar Buhari? Isnt he in politics? But he is blocked from making a difference. Besides u are in politics yrself, but it seems that u favor the camp that doesnt want to make a difference...... :(
Road to success is never easy nuraddeen, but determination, perseverance and
strong faith will one day take us there.... keep the struggle, and never give up....
If people who can shout on behalf of the masses will keep getting tired and don't want
carry on what is the future of suffering nigerians then?... Hmmm ???
Nuhu go Nuhu com Corruption stay. We must all purge our self if corruption must sieze in Nigeria. Good Luck
So N. Ribadu got kicked out. So what? I don't give a hoot if that arrogant, self-serving gherkin got shoved away. The EFCC under him had been nothing but an instrument of intimidation, coercion and brutality, simply fashioned out to whip PDP's (or rather Obj's) opposition/opponents, both real and imagined, in "order". And Ribadu did his job so well. It is karma. Saura ma su kame shi tukun.
Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on January 01, 2008, 03:58:01 PM
So N. Ribadu got kicked out. So what? I don't give a hoot if that arrogant, self-serving gherkin got shoved away. The EFCC under him had been nothing but an instrument of intimidation, coercion and brutality, simply fashioned out to whip PDP's (or rather Obj's) opposition/opponents, both real and imagined, in "order". And Ribadu did his job so well. It is karma. Saura ma su kame shi tukun.
Well what ever Nuhu Ribadu did, its like someone said, whether they were ObJ or PDP opponents, all of them were corrupt and that's what counts. So in so far as sun ci kudin talaka, then kamu da hukunci ya hau kansu.
Is it really true that James Ibori is really behind this scenario? He is one of the top funders of Yar Adu'as campaign.
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 01, 2008, 09:48:01 PM
Well what ever Nuhu Ribadu did, its like someone said, whether they were ObJ or PDP opponents, all of them were corrupt and that's what counts. So in so far as sun ci kudin talaka, then kamu da hukunci ya hau kansu.
Ko a musulunci ba'a yarda da ayi amfani da
zalunci don gyaran zalunci ba! The old saying of two wrongs do not make a right pop up here. We are talking about selective "justice" here. I mean, I'm all for EFCC stopping corruption and punishing the corrupt(s). But when it is nothing but a tool use by
The Corrupt, not to really eradicate/stop corrucption, but solely for vindictiveness, it is all rubbish. And Ribadu got what he deserved. He should know. Like ~muda~ stated, that's how politics is played here. Ribadu abused his position, trampling on everyone (guilty or not) with impunity and without a care in the world. He was the
Police and the Judge at the same time. Well, he served his master. Got used. And dumped. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on January 02, 2008, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 01, 2008, 09:48:01 PM
Well what ever Nuhu Ribadu did, its like someone said, whether they were ObJ or PDP opponents, all of them were corrupt and that's what counts. So in so far as sun ci kudin talaka, then kamu da hukunci ya hau kansu.
Ko a musulunci ba'a yarda da ayi amfani da zalunci don gyaran zalunci ba! The old saying of two wrongs do not make a right pop up here. We are talking about selective "justice" here. I mean, I'm all for EFCC stopping corruption and punishing the corrupt(s). But when it is nothing but a tool use by The Corrupt, not to really eradicate/stop corrucption, but solely for vindictiveness, it is all rubbish. And Ribadu got what he deserved. He should know. Like ~muda~ stated, that's how politics is played here. Ribadu abused his position, trampling on everyone (guilty or not) with impunity and without a care in the world. He was the Police and the Judge at the same time. Well, he served his master. Got used. And dumped. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Lol someone sounds very angry!! ;D
Anyway, I will tell you what; Desperate times call for desperate measures. This is what happened. The tactics used by Ribadu were needed, and infact they were quite mild. Besides this has nothing to do with religion. It takes a thief to catch a thief a ka ce. Kuma ba zalunci bane, anyway. its simple common sense on the part of Ribadu. You c someone had to do the job of weeding out the worse from the bad. NR had to listen to his masters in order to be let alone to carry out his onerous unenviable thankless job. If he had gone against the wishes of his bosses and practiced ba sani ba sabo in its pristine form, ai then he'd have to query his bosses as well, and that wont do, cos he'd be out on his ears before he could shout "Wayyo ni Ribadu!" So by playing it softly softly he'd managed to purge a lot of smelly hydrogen sulphide political and financial eggs, while managing to keep on to his seat. Now with the exit of OBJ, we should have seen Ribadu in his element, if only this sickly mouse of a president would have supported him. If he had the support of this presidency and no one to meddle in his affairs, he would have been in the position to practice ba sani ba sabo in the purest sense of the phrase, and that would mean roping in all the old guards plus the ex prez and many many others we dont know about.
Yanzu da akai masa haka, anyone who becomes the next EFCC chief zai rika sara yana duban bakin gatarin sa, which is not a good turn of affairs for the economic health of this nation. Shi kenan kuma corruption ya sake samin kaffaffen gidin zama.
Why oh why oh why cant we learn to over look the lesser evil of two evils for the sake of the greater good eh? :-\ :(
Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on January 01, 2008, 03:58:01 PM
So N. Ribadu got kicked out. So what? I don't give a hoot if that arrogant, self-serving gherkin got shoved away. The EFCC under him had been nothing but an instrument of intimidation, coercion and brutality, simply fashioned out to whip PDP's (or rather Obj's) opposition/opponents, both real and imagined, in "order". And Ribadu did his job so well. It is karma. Saura ma su kame shi tukun.
Sound so harsh
Bakan~Gizo. Think the issue actually needs second look but not something like this. Personally I believe so Ribadu was but later, when considering some of his arrests, invitaion, etc I gather a certain data which I can call; Ribadu did both--serve for the interest of OBJ and PDP and simultaneosly did the job he's rightly supposed to do i.e hunting for barayi da ta'annaci da kudin govt.
BKG don't only judge Ribadu by the political Arrests he made.
Take a look at the 419 cases they treated,the many 'yahoo yahoo' cafe's they busted and closed (especially in Lagos) and alot of other fraudulent financial cases they've busted.
I was browsing about a year back at a cafe in beirut road when an EFCC official came busting into the cafe and ordered a guy sending spam and 419 mails out of the cafe. The guy without hesitation went out.
So Ribadu has done alot whatever the case.
QuoteWhy oh why oh why cant we learn to over look the lesser evil of two evils for the sake of the greater good eh
Bcos life ain't suppose to be lived like that. 'Cos it ain't right, religiously or otherwise. Repeat, you can't use evil to fight evil, and then attempt to justify it. It is not a case of "weeding out worse from the bad". That's too simplistic a way of putting it. There are worse thieves around than the ones arrested and prosecuted by "Czar Ribadu". So where's the point of taking out worse from the bad? Even he inadvertently admitted as much on the eve of last year's (s)election, when the famous "
list of the indicted" was drafted, reviewed, redrafted and released, with names of obvious thieves removed and replaced with others. I'm here talking about the corruption advisory list issued on the instruction of President Obasanjo and his party, the PDP which led to the illegal disqualifications of all strong opposition members. It is a measure of the extent of that illegality that many election results are being reversed by tribunals including those of five state governors and still counting. What about the celebrated case of Bode George? The EFCC (and indeed Nigerians!) had a clear, watertight case against him, only for Ribadu to turn around and shamelessly told Nigerians that Bode George is 'only' a board member of NPA, not the chief executive, so he has no case to answer of the stolen billions.
Was it not Ribadu who vouched for the integrity of Obasanjo at a time when he stole well over 50 billion dollars through highly inflated contracts, illegal duty waivers and concessions, mismanagement of the Federations Account and scandalous NNPC transactions and a most criminal, privatization of public enterprised to his business associates and cronies? When Obasanjo embarked on total genocidal war against his political and business opponents, the EFCC became the most useful and loyal force that was used, with Ribadu as his lap dog.
Are you guys saying all these were justifiable, and are actually NEEDED to fight corruption?Goga: I don't think a "mere" commando-like approach on Internet Cafes to weed out 419ers can overshadow the obvious shortcomings and failings of Ribadu and the Gestapo-EFCC. So the EFCC busted 419ers? Good. Fine. Personally, I would have loved Ribadu to have dealt with the
biggest 419 of our time - last year's election, of which he was one of the gladiators along with Obj and Maurice Iwu. Are there greater 419ers than them?
Again, good riddance to bad rubbish.
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 02, 2008, 01:13:33 PM
Lol someone sounds very angry!! ;D
Yes, Bakangizo has every right to be angrily, AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHSSSSSS
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 02, 2008, 01:13:33 PM
Anyway, I will tell you what; Desperate times call for desperate measures. This is what happened. The tactics used by Ribadu were needed, and infact they were quite mild. Besides this has nothing to do with religion. It takes a thief to catch a thief a ka ce. Kuma ba zalunci bane, anyway.
I am surprised to hear this from Auntyn Muhsin of all, so you agree that some
times we shouldnt go by the book!.
What the hell is happening! just because ance mutum ya tafi ya karo ilimi sai
ya zama abin surutu, who is Ribadu by the way? It was favouritism that
brought him to this post, if not there are officers far above his rank that are
supposed to be given that appointed, amma ina, sai aka yi administrative tactics
by Obasanjo & Atiku aka dora shi akan wannan matsayin. Just imagine you
are senior in rank to Ribadu. All these came and its gone, now he has been
asked by the same people who appointed him to go back to school and develop
more skills to be able to manage whichever office he is coming back to take.
By the way, why would he even start thinking that he doesnt want to go back
to school? irin sa nawa a cikin police force? ordinary public officer ma yana da
bakin magana ne?
I supported him before, but now, its over.
Quote from: Dan-Borno on January 03, 2008, 11:20:28 AM
I supported him before, but now, its over.
DB Ina gani da alama u only give yr support to those in power and once they are out of it, u withdraw the support.... not a good thing at all... have loyalty throu thick and thin :-\ :-\.
How did you figure that out?
To be candid AUntyn MUhsin, that is how it is supposed to be,
we just cant fight reality, its better we support government
of the day to change and be better than calling it names and
frustrating it more worse.
Its just like a misbehaving child, you either put him to the right
track or ka tsine mishi - which one will you adopt?
The same logic applies.
When Babangida was in power we cried
When Abatcha took over we cried and shouted
When we elected Obasanjo we cried, shouted and fainted
that is because we dont appreciate any leadership in this country,
we should support, pray and encourage them using whatever means
available at out disposal.
Our journalist (Irin su Jibo Nura & his colleagues) never write anything
positive about our leaders, at the end of the day they succeed in
adding more salt to the wound.
Sai a hankula da lallami ake samun kan masu mulki.
As a Nigerian,it's almost innate for me to identify with the expressed pessimism upon which this very thread hinges.But what I find strikingly disappointing,disturbing even,is the collective apathy that seem to have become a tight-fitting second skin for the Nigerian masses.Delusional nationalism apart,I truly believe that Nigeria is a failed State,and that failure,however ,lies in part with the Nigerian masses.It's a sad paradox that the ''giant of Africa'' is, in fact, the giant of failure.To the like of Nuradeen,Waziri,Husna e.tc.,I'm certain that your collective efforts make more difference(s) than meets the eye.What you don't find in hope can't be found in hopelessness.I'm saying..
As for Mr. Ribadu,as is with Mr El-Rufai,to be sure,he's NOT without the epidemic of curruption that's so plaguing the country,but given the ever imposing volume of corruption,immorality and mismanagement,his efforts are,at the very least laudable.He's the lesser of many evils,for lack of better words.The confiscation of the embezzled N500 billion from currupt officials is a testament to that.Where all these monies goes to,however,is a different story.Allah ya shirya!
"you can't use evil to fight evil', says BKG. What Nuhu Ribadu did was not evil. Let's face it you takes a thief to catch a thief, though I am not saying that Nuhu Ribadu is a thief. What I am saying is that he had to use all available means and tactics at his disposal. I am not being simplistic. I think its u guys who dont believe in what NR was doing that are being simplistic. U know that saying that a stitch in time saves nine? Well supposing that stitch was neglected, one would have to make a patchwork of it. That's what happened with Nigeria. The rip became so large that only drastic measures could cure the ills.
We have experienced how the due process of law never worked in Nigeria before. Which was why all the heavy weight government thieves could go scot free without being punished. What triggered the conscience of law courts to stand by right instead of wrong was the advent of EFCC and its corruption weeding tactics. There would have been no point in a person being brought to book by the EFCC with iron clad charges of corruption against him, and so much hype and publicity only to have the courts acquit him. It would further diminish their integrity.
Suma din the ones that were supposed to be 'yan lele, a hankali they would have been brought to book by the EFCC. Anyway, Only Allah SWT HAS the Means and Capability of satisfying 6billion plus humans at all times. It is not possible for a human to do the same. Thus NR will have his detractors as well as his supporters. I always identify with the underdog, that is why I cannot support 'Yar adua as president or his decision to get rid of Nuhu Ribadu.
As for DB, Fickleness is not a good character trait. Dont always decide to stick to where u think yr bread will be buttered, instead stick to yr principles.. although I think that one of those principles of yours is that "if u cant beat them......" ;D
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 07, 2008, 08:31:38 AM
As for DB, Fickleness is not a good character trait. Dont always decide to stick to where u think yr bread will be buttered, instead stick to yr principles.. although I think that one of those principles of yours is that "if u cant beat them......" ;D
Haba dai, its useless to stick to principles, when the principle
will not achieve positive results. Ra'ayin rikau will not solve
the problem of Nigeria - support then guide, thats the easiest
way to excel, amma ba irin ra'ayinki da Nura ba. You dont see
anything good about NIgerian leadership.
So indicting innocent ppl as thieves, while allowing "biggerthieves" to continue to have a field day is not evil? Do you know govs like Odili are forced at gun point, while others are threaten by trumped-up charges by the EFCC to withdraw their presidential ambition for "Yaradua?. That is not evil? Isn't it ironic and contradictary that the President ('Yar'adua) you refused to acknowledge, that you kept on insisting that he lacks legitimacy, was brought on to power by Ribadu's help? All the scheming, the intimidation, the arrests, the 419 results were largely orchestrated by the EFCC? Funny you would support Ribadu, and not 'Yar'adua. One is the product of the other, you know.
As already pointed out by DB, who on God's earth is that guy Ribadu? I now also start this thinking why people are all shouting, yelling and so on just because he's sent to further his studies? This, I now again realize, would even do him better. Think of it you too. There bundles of people that might have done it better than him or could do it better than him.
Yet, am of the view that if he's to be judged by me on his actions and roles during his tenure as EFCC boss, well I can tell that, as I said earlier that he played good and bad at the same time. And thats how we are; humans. So...since he too has, either willingly or grudgingly, accepted, then the matter has finished. Thats all.
And to the Nigerian news media. Sincerely as said President spokeman; they are the ones that fuel, politicise and help mixing up everything. The matter shouldn't and wouldn't have had reach such level if itsn't without their inactions.
Allah ya gyara, amin.
Quote from: sheriff 05 on December 30, 2007, 10:24:37 PM
Malam Nurudeen,
I would be lying if I didn't say how much I understand your sentiments at this point in time. I agree with you wholeheartedly that our situation is dire. I understand Waziri's sentiments as well as I personally know how much effort he has made towards solutions for Arewa. I also agree with you that despite immense lip service, even the leaders with whom we associate hope, never seem to deliver.
Salam all,
Thanks
Sheriff, Admin, and all for the insightful comments as I think it necessary here to join you in appealing to
Nuruddeen not to throw in the towel and tread the path of cowardice by committing a reckless psychological suicide as suicide is a monopoly of the defeated, the daunted ones.
As for me, it is true that we did certain things with
Nuruddeen, in our little way, which we felt should have formed a platform for achieving greater things for our people but at the end we were not very lucky. But as
Admin observed, my conviction has always seen the problem of Nigeria in the light of system malfunction NOT of personalities being bad. Nuhu Ribadu or the people mentioned by
Nuruddeen are all players in a paradigm, pattern, schedule that one system dictates in a very forceful momentum and as such just as we act according to the dictates of systematic weather, extreme cold, extreme hot and whatever, so also everybody does thing in Nigeria according to the dictates of Nigeria's administrative, social and political setting. And just as we cannot blame individual person for extreme cold or hotness of our whether we can also never blame individuals for the problems of Nigeria or Northern Nigeria. This I discussed, at length, with many colleagues and friends in many a different ways and circumstances. I think if
Sheriff can remember it was one among many subjects we treated some days before he left the country for Britain.
But even then, I must confess that I once discussed, in confidence, with
Nuruddeen, few years away, how I intend to stay away from much public commentary with the view of looking at other issues of life that also need serious attention. Some of them are of course personal but the crux of the matter is:
1. I and many of my comrades in struggle are indeed very young minds with training in specialized disciplines like Engineering, Pure Science, Law, Environment and Industry Design, and Information Technology.
2. Struggle to save our people requires first struggle to save ourselves and record in Nigerian history has shown many in the past abandoning their profession for the sake of activism to save societies, but they end up being beggars in that same society.
3. The central issue in the 21st century revolves around economic strength and our people are very far left behind in Nigeria not to speak of the world stage.
Therefore considering the above mentioned realities I suggested to all my comrades to take a break in our politics, intellectualism and activism in order to see first the mark we will live, in our differing disciplines, before we launch ourselves back into the stage to see how much we can give back to our society. Then, we wouldn't need any 'bigman' to contribute or donate, time and resources, but rather we will donate ourselves, to the accomplishments of our ends in this century as true representatives of the grand moral concepts and precepts abundant in the heritage of the region today known as Northern Nigeria.
This, however, I stressed, in my opinion, should not mean we should completely go into oblivion without writing a word even when we feel free enuff to do that.
Well, I think
Nuruddeen may not have fully grasped the basic principle behind my idea then and now he is saying he would do the worst by completely pulling out of the social world to retire in the full of financial and business world. Well, at the risk of sounding prescriptive, I think that could be devastating psychologically and morally unsettling. Whatever the case maybe, I hope
Nuruddeen will reconsider some aspects of his decision and effect moderation as Prophet(SAW) advised.
In my own little way I always say I will not allow worldly problems to deter my delightful moments since life is not always about serious things and if it is about them it means that they come and pass as we meet our luck and destiny in the circle of misery. As such:
There is no better story than this we live
For we only live once and die
Why then do I cry
Let me laugh till the day I dieI remain most grateful
Waziri
Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on January 07, 2008, 09:41:34 AM
So indicting innocent ppl as thieves, while allowing "biggerthieves" to continue to have a field day is not evil? Do you know govs like Odili are forced at gun point, while others are threaten by trumped-up charges by the EFCC to withdraw their presidential ambition for "Yaradua?. That is not evil? Isn't it ironic and contradictary that the President ?('Yar'adua) you refused to acknowledge, that you kept on insisting that he lacks legitimacy, was brought on to power by Ribadu's help? All the scheming, the intimidation, the arrests, the 419 results were largely orchestrated by the EFCC? Funny you would support Ribadu, and not 'Yar'adua. One is the product of the other, you know.
Indicting innocent ppl as thieves.. who are those innocent ppl? Joshua Dariye? alame...what ever? ibori? Saminu Turaki? and all the cohorts of govt officials left right and centre? Give me a break!!! >:(
Besides EFCC doesnt go after anyone unless someone brings in a complaint or petition against him/her; then they follow up the complaint and if there is no truth in the allegations, they let it go. Even Yeriman Bakura agreed that this was how EFCC operated and he was roped in at one time. His only grouse was that those who falsely accused should be brought to book as well.
If govs like odili were forced at gun point to give in to 'Yar adua, was it Nuhu Rubadu or EFCC that pointed the gun at them? or was it EFCC that trumped up charges against the others who were made to give up?
'Yar adua lacks legitimacy I say it now and Isay it forever... Nuhu R had nothing to do with his assuming power. He was just doing his job of sanitation. What you fail to realize is that 90% of all politicians in Nigeria are corrupt. So if someone was brought to book on some trumped up charge, it cant have been trumped, it must be one of the skeletons lyiing in his cupboard that was brought out dusted and presented to the him. Otherwise ai there was Buhari, why couldnt they trump up charges against him. Akwai ibrahim shekarau who was framed by some pdp stalwarts and he was cleared by the very Nuhu R. whom you are so eager to denigrate.
It is true that PDP did try to push opponents down through allegations, but this was only after a skeleton in the opponents cupboard had seen the light of day. That kuma is not the fault of Nuhu R. His job was to weed out corrupt politicians and present the case against them. What the powers that be do with the information, cannot be held against him. I will reiterate: Nuhu Ribadu had nothing to do with "Yar adua coming to power. Given the tenacity of that old gentleman OBJ, since he was bent on seeing that Yar adua become incumbent, it would have happened by the Will of Allah (Letting them have their way), with or without Nuhu Ribadu around.
Allah ya saka maka da alkhairi Malam Waziri, wallahi I must
confess that this is one of the most tourching post i ever
read in this our forum, because it is full of real life theory
that if followed is the safest and surest way to achieving
ones goal in life.
When Rasulullah (SAW) was being persecuted in Mecca and
did Hijra to Medina, so many sahabas suggested that why
not go for war with the Meccans, but the Prophet keep on
telling his people "Kuffu aydiyakum" ku kame hannayenku.
Malam Waziri, you have so really made me feel proud of myself
for this is what I believe also, if you want to fight for a cause,
then be well prepared and ready to face it, that was how
Ojukwu bluff his men into war without fully prepared for the
war and at the end, they suffered without achieving their aim.
At any point in time, assume you have soldiers who are ready
to march with you - i raise my hands up in support.
To Nuruddeen, the ball is now rolling towards your leg, we will
encourage and support you fighting for a cause which you
believe in, but only if your retreat (not surrender) is to put your
house in FULL order, we will also match with you my Big Brother.
______________________________________________________
Ke kuma Auntyn Muhsin, I know you wont give up that easily,
saboda you have some scores to settle with His Excellency.
What I fail to understand is why that lousy ex-soldier, Col Umar, began yapping his ignorant mouth last week and calling for Ribadu to quit his job as EFCC boss. Just because a few misguided elements suggested that Umar may be a likely candidate to replace Ribadu once his re-assaignment, Umar then did the most unclassy thing openly 'campaigning' against Ribadu as if the damn thing was an election.
I was just so turned off by his ridiculous and outrageous conduct. That uncultured Nigerian army mentality is still afflicting him as it does David Mark from time to time. What can Col. Umar bring to the table in terms of organizational leadership?
I may not have been totally impressed with Ribadu, and I understand the complex conditions in which he worked, but I give him credit for building that agency and giving it a face of what a crime fighting machinery could be in later years. It requires great skills, dedication, intelligence, vision, management, leadership, and law enforcement experience to build such an organization from the scratch.
I have no knowledge of any imaginary or real achievement that Col. Umar can brag of in all his years in the 'public' service besides yapping his big mouth whenever the press gives him audience. What a Cow!!!!!
Quote from: HUSNAA on January 07, 2008, 02:06:06 PM
Indicting innocent ppl as thieves.. who are those innocent ppl? Joshua Dariye? alame...what ever? ibori? Saminu Turaki? and all the cohorts of govt officials left right and centre? Give me a break!!!
Besides EFCC doesnt go after anyone unless someone brings in a complaint or petition against him/her; then they follow up the complaint and if there is no truth in the allegations, they let it go. Even Yeriman Bakura agreed that this was how EFCC operated and he was roped in at one time. His only grouse was that those who falsely accused should be brought to book as well.
If govs like odili were forced at gun point to give in to 'Yar adua, was it Nuhu Rubadu or EFCC that pointed the gun at them? or was it EFCC that trumped up charges against the others who were made to give up?
'Yar adua lacks legitimacy I say it now and Isay it forever... Nuhu R had nothing to do with his assuming power. He was just doing his job of sanitation. What you fail to realize is that 90% of all politicians in Nigeria are corrupt. So if someone was brought to book on some trumped up charge, it cant have been trumped, it must be one of the skeletons lyiing in his cupboard that was brought out dusted and presented to the him. Otherwise ai there was Buhari, why couldnt they trump up charges against him. Akwai ibrahim shekarau who was framed by some pdp stalwarts and he was cleared by the very Nuhu R. whom you are so eager to denigrate.
It is true that PDP did try to push opponents down through allegations, but this was only after a skeleton in the opponents cupboard had seen the light of day. That kuma is not the fault of Nuhu R. His job was to weed out corrupt politicians and present the case against them. What the powers that be do with the information, cannot be held against him. I will reiterate: Nuhu Ribadu had nothing to do with "Yar adua coming to power. Given the tenacity of that old gentleman OBJ, since he was bent on seeing that Yar adua become incumbent, it would have happened by the Will of Allah (Letting them have their way), with or without Nuhu Ribadu around.
Of course Dariye & co are corrupt. No one's saying anything contrary. Notice I said "those he indicted". Not arrested. I was reffering to that
Execution List prepared by Ribadu at the behest of Obj to clear the way for his favourites. So tell me, can you name one person in the good books of Obj who is investigated and arrested by the EFCC? Even Yarima, whom Ribadu had specifically mentioned as the "biggest thief of all" is now off the radar. Him and Turaki. Know why? They've all atoned. One has joined the PDP, while the other was one of the very first to publicly at the floor of the senate 'accept' OBJ's excellent choice of Yaradua for Nigeria. Sunday Afolabi? The National ID Card scam? But why go on? These are a few of the
korokoro cases in which Ribadu deftly swept under the carpet, ba kunya ba tsoron Allah. Bcos he was not ordered to. He's a hatchet man, doing his masters' bid. It is all a sham.
You know what? You beginning to sound like some of those politicians. It goes to show there's politics in everyone of us. So PDP blackmaling opponents thru Ribadu is okay since "
they already have skeletons" right? And it wasn't EFCC/Ribadu that forced Odili and co at gun point to step down for yaradua? And it wasn't Ribadu that helped put 'Yardua there? What planet were you living on at that time? Or was it just a deliberate denial to suit your view? I guess the grass is black, and the sun set in the North.
Give up the the 'denial'. It doesn't suit you. It reeks of contradiction. You know, though are pretending not to - that Ribadu has helped in NO SMALL MEASURE to put 'Yardua
on that very throne you claimed is illegitimate. OBJ
does not personally go out to rig the election. Ppl did it for him. The military and police to intimidate voters, EFCC/Ribadu to 'weed out' any threat to 'Yaradua's candidacy right from the primaries. And INEC to declare fake results. That's how it happened. It is public knowledge here.
So you take the good and the bad. Just remember that anytime you're condemning 'Yaradua and eulogizing Ribadu that they are birds of the same feather. They not only flock together, one helped give birth to the other. It is funny you agree it is Allah's will that put 'Yar'adua there, and still refuse to acknowledge/accept him.
And lastly, Ribadu did not personally cleared Shekarau. Or any of the others on that list for that matter; All hell was breaking loose due to the shamelessness of what Ribadu was trying to achieve by that list. The sh1t was literally beginning to hit the fan! And INEC had no choice but to include their names in the candidates list, due to public outcry, court injunctions here and there etc. Repeat, at no point did Ribadu state that he cleared Shekarau. He's not that civil, or honest enough.
KAI MAZA SANNUNKU DA FAFATAWA!Lalle nigeria tayi dace da samari/yammata masu hazaka da tunanani irinku.
While to me the issue is very simple to resolve,wether there is ribadu or not nigeria most face reality,corruption and all its ramification must be wiped out completely,the challenge is ours all we need to do is to strive hard,study hard so that when our time comes we will address the situation without acrimony,ALLAH zai iya daukan ran ribadu ayau!then what will be next?dole asamu wani da zai maye gurbinsa,right?so don ALLAH mucigaba da addua ALLAH yasa shine mafi alheri,yakuma bamu wani wanda yafishi kishin nigeria,AUNTY HUSNA,UNCLE MUHSIN,BABA DAN BARNO,MR CAKENAH and the rest,we should all try our best to see that corruption is eliminated completely,ALLAH YABAMU SAA AMIN KUMA ALLAH YA BAWA WANI MU IKO NA KORAR CIN HANCI A NIGERIA. AMINN
Alla ya bar Hafizu dan Malam. Matsalan ba anan kadai take
ba, bayan addu'a, yanayin aikin gwamnati itace babbar
hanya da take sa jama'a yin sata tattare da irin mugun
siyasar da muke yi a kasar nan.
We wont relent in our effort to pray, however, the whole
educational, political and administrative setup na kasannan
ya zamo dole ayi revisiting din su with a view to sustain
the image of this country and do away with any means
possible that will abate any form of corruption.
Quote from: hafiz amin umar on January 15, 2008, 09:03:50 PM
UNCLE MUHSIN
Kai Malam Hafiz! Don't me make me break-up! In na rantse ba kaffara you are older than me. So...next time, uh. Xnks.
Two days, you don't log-in here as usual. Wish you are doing fine up there.
did you know that EFCC ust married ICPC? what can you say about that?
To Allah Ya basu 'ya'ya nagari wanda za su yi wa kasa aiki ameen
Quote from: arubuta on January 17, 2008, 12:31:23 AM
did you know that EFCC ust married ICPC? what can you say about that?
When did this happen? I dai know about it, saying they should be married but some people were against that idea then.
To me, personally, their marriage would be better 'cuz both are doing same thing.