At a Church alter Call, men confess to incest

[Dan-Borno]

             "My Daddy said He wants to do a specialwork here tonight
              If there is any woman here whos efather has had sexual
              intercourse with her, let her come out now and I will pray
              for you"
      There was a stampede as women ran towards the altar during the
      last Holy Ghost service held at the Redemption Christian Chuch of God
      held penultimate Friday.  About 1000 women heeded this altar call made
      by Pastor Enoch Adeboye.

In a Similar experience, during the Men's deliverance service held some years
ago, Dr. Daniel Olukoya of the MOuntain of Fire and Miracles (MFM) Ministries
had made an altar callf or all thos who had slept with their daughters, sisters
or female-in-laws, several hundreds of men trooped out to be delivered.

        Unbelievable, one may say but the truth is that the cases of fathers
        sleeping with their daughters are on the increase in our society.


BY AMINA BRAI
Saturday MIRROR
March 17 2007
Page 4


Incest is what the dictonary describes this pitiful act as.  By definition,
incest is secual contact between family members who are not married to each other
It is also described as any oral, genital contact, genital or anal penetration, and
genital touching of the victim by the perpetrator; tourching of the private parts of the
victim; sexual kissing and even, huggin.

Ladies who have been sexually abused
and violated by their own fathers usually
carry the guilt and shame for a very long
time.  These women grow up having a low
self esteem because they feel since their
fathers could abuse them, any other man
could as well do the same.  Thus, they end
up either becoming secually promiscous
or totally stay off men.........


In the real sense of it, how sociably acceptable is Incest?

[Muhsin]

Subhanallah! Wa iyaazu billah!
What a horrible!
I had never heard something as horrific and sordid like this in all my born days. What kind of religion is this; whose act  followers are gonna copy? Such........mts.
Where on God's earth are we gonna head our heads towards? Allah ya tsare mu ga aikin fasha-Amin.

[NewEte]

Dan Borno, I think you need to provide clarity to the subject matter of this report.  From reading the story you posted, the conclusion that I draw is that sexual abuse, incest, etc are problems that exist in our society, but not addressed socially or in the criminal law system. It is all an hush hush affair as most things in Nigeria are shrouded in secrecy, but this church, Redemption Christian Chuch of God, recognizes the existence of these vices and offer help by seeking out victims of abuse and offering healing in form of prayer or deliverance. However, from what I have seen of the effect of sexual abuse on women, it may require more than a prayer of deliverance to help the victims heal or deal with the abuse better. Lots of counseling is often required because abuse has a devastating long term effect on victims.

But your subject should read more like this: (At a Church alter Call, men confess to incest)
The way is it presented above, it sounds as if though those men were having sex with their daughters inside the church premises.

You can see how that may confuse simple minded folks like Muhsin or others that have a fear of other religions.  Just reading this passage that you posted, it is obvious that the Church does not condone incest, it is also obvious that the church does not condone sexual abuse, or sexual harrassment in any form. It is even obvious from reading the Christian's bible that these acts are abominations, so I am somewhat puzzled by Muhsin's indictment of the religion. The logic is totally flawed here.

In any case Dan Borno, you should in all fairness revise your subject heading to really reflect the story or else people might read it and interprete it out of context.

[Dan-Borno]

Thanks for the observation Malam Ete.
When you look at my last statement from the post
you will understand the topic we are supposed to
discussion:

In the real sense of it, how sociably acceptable is Incest?

However, your observation is good:

So, what do you know about INCEST?

[NewEte]

Incest? For me, it is a totally unacceptable practise. Amongst different people, the definition varies, but the way I understand it, is that it is sexual intercourse between people of close family ties, for instance a brother and a sister, father and daughter, son and mother, etc.  The thought of it alone makes some people shudder. But this is not a new phenomena. Back in the middle ages, it was a popular literary topic and many authors wrote poetic pieces on the subject.

In far ancient times, I am not so sure how this practices was viewed in society, but it appears that at some point, it became criminal and even punishable should anyone be caught in the act. I think in the Old testament of the Bible,  ( I stand corrected) the daughters of Lot I believe got their father drunk and then took turns sleeping with him for the sake of procreation. Apparently, God had wiped out Sodom and Gomorrha for their wickedness of vice, so there was an extreme shortage of men. Lot's daughters not wanting to go childless devised this scheme of getting their father drunk for sex.  I don't recall exactly if they were curse or what the consequencies was thereafter. I would have to go back and do some research on this.

From a medical perspective also, I would imagine that kids produced from an incesteous relationship are likely to develop sickle cell disease due to the closeness in blood relation.

What do you think?

[Dave McEwan Hill]

Children born of incestuous relationships are often but not always weak, sickly and mentally retarded.

[HUSNAA]

Children born of incestuous relationships are often but not always weak, sickly and mentally retarded.

That is why it is forbidden. No gene dilution

[_Waziri_]

I had never heard something as horrific and sordid like this in all my born days. What kind of religion is this; whose act  followers are gonna copy? Such........mts.

Muhsin,

It is about doing bad things which ofcourse alot of Muslims do some times more than non-Muslims.

[Muhsin]

You can see how that may confuse simple minded folks like Muhsin or others that have a fear of other religions.  Just reading this passage that you posted, it is obvious that the Church does not condone incest, it is also obvious that the church does not condone sexual abuse, or sexual harrassment in any form. It is even obvious from reading the Christian's bible that these acts are abominations, so I am somewhat puzzled by Muhsin's indictment of the religion. The logic is totally flawed here.

I sincerely have to confess it; I hadn't read the thread thoughly as I could gist its exact contextual meaning at that time. I had had too much to  do at net that time. This was what had really led me to had up-side-down understanding of it. Sorry for that Ete and the rest of the forum members. And special regard to Ete for such approach. Though you indirectly....... ::) ??? ;D

[mallamt]

I had never heard something as horrific and sordid like this in all my born days. What kind of religion is this; whose act  followers are gonna copy? Such........mts.

Muhsin,

It is about doing bad things which ofcourse alot of Muslims do some times more than non-Muslims.

Thank you for making things clearer for the likes of mushin, I believe what you did is well appreciated because in most cases we want to attack people rather than understand and communicate.

Just to add my own 2c worth on this topic, I believe it is easy to wonder why the act was not discussed as an act but the angle that the issue came from is from a church service and confessions were called.  Safe to say I know that for a fact both christianity and islam completely reject incest and term it as a sin. Outside these two religions there may be some religions, cultural/traditional practices that find the act acceptable.  Our reaction on the matter now is based on our believes either religious ones or cultural ones, I know however that the scientific world is also very against reproduction between close family members because of the very high potential of continuing and even making some genetical deformities a major problem.  It is for this same reason that the practicse of marrying cousins commonly seen in northern nigeria is not really liked (some people actually make a religious case for this) by some in the medical fraternerty.

But for me the first thing is my faith finds it deplorable and a sin so be it, others may not agree with me but its fine, its a sin and anyone who partakes in incest knowingly stands condemed before God except if they change their ways