Between IBB and Buhari, can you spot a 'fraud'?

[alhaji_aminu]

salam

I dont think anyone reading Nigeria's newspaper does not know, by now at least, that Ibrahim Babangida is posturing to becoming our President come 2007. Infact that is not the main reason I am writing. I am writing to compare the appropriateness or lack thereof of an IBB presidency if Gen Buhari is to be a candidate as well.

And to me, a presidential candidate has to have some qualities upon which people can decide who they are to vote for.  Hence, I will try to have a head-to-head comparison between IBB and Buhari and people can see for themselves who is the man and who is,....... well a fraudulent package

A good way to start is by comapring they type of residence either one lives in. The Sultan road residence of Gen Buhari is not gated, as of july 03 when I last saw it.  And, the number of rooms including BQ's is definately less than ten. And the house has never been reffered to as a mansion as is the case for many other top Generals. This is commensurate with what a Gen and a former head of state can afford. Gen Babangida on the otherhand lives in, as widely reported by the media, a 52 room hiltop mansion built/furnished by Julius Berger. It's hard to see how one can afford such a house being a career military officer.

Note: this first issue deals with accountability and honesty- a crucial requirement for leadership.  

The second issue with which to compare and notice inadequencies between Buhari and IBB is how they handled the economy. In his term in office, Buhari's economic team introduced several austerity measures to curb the economic mess the nation was in. While this was done in good faith, the obvious consequences of 'budget cuts' and tariff on foreign items drove inflation skyward hence standard of living deflated in the short run. It is key to note that this was expected to happen in the short run before things stabilize. Unfortunately for the nation, Gen Babangida's crew struck claiming Buhari had dictatorial tendencies, is indifference to democracy and is stifling the Nigerian Economy.

In the eight years Babangida ruled Nigeria, the Naira was devalued by almost 2000%. And according to country-data, a publication of the US congress, the SAP (structural adjustment program) introduced by IBB at the behest of the IMF and World bank,  " Structural adjustment was accompanied by falling real wages, the redistribution of income from urban to rural areas, and reduced health, education, and social spending. The decrease in spending on social programs contributed to often vociferous domestic unrest, such as Muslim-Christian riots in Kaduna State in March 1987, urban rioting in April 1988 in response to reduced gasoline subsidies, student-led violence in opposition to government economic policies in May and June 1989, and the second coup attempt against General Babangida in April 1990."
source: http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-9428.html

Again, The issue raised above deals with economic management which, also, is a key determinant of the qualities of a national leader

Please bear with me here. I 'll have to leave now but I will certainly discuss my last point on national security as it concerns leadership .

[Indabawa]

Comparing IBB with the "peoples" General,Muhammadu Buhari;is like comparing Hitler and Mandela.While the former was an embodiment of raw,pure and unadultrated evil,the latter signifies struggle for the downtrodden,justice and accountability.Period!

[kitkat]

Sadly in nigerian political arena all the arguments and pros and cons matter nought. As we speak the political intrigues and shenanigans leading up to 2007 have reached fever pitch and the truth of the matter is the powers that be do not trust a buhari presidency for the very reasons of accountability and probity listed above. This is the only country where the interests of the  populace is always at variance with those of a select few so called "elite" who have vested interests and are who lay down the political rules when the time comes, and they always seem to have their way.  Unless we reach a level of political maturity and awareness and people stand up to the establishment and fight and guard their votes (like kano) then all you can do is dream and watch your dream disappear b4 your eyes on election day.

I personally came across Gen Buhari not too long after his release from detention buying fuel at the mobil filling station at the Durbar hotel junction in kaduna. He was alone in a blue peugeot 505 ST and actually came down to open the fuel tank.
I was with a couple of friends and we talked about this incident for a long time, and as a person this seemingly insignificant detail has remained in my subconscious to date.

All we can do is pray for good leaders and Allah's guidance for them.

[mrguest]

Comparing IBB with the "peoples" General,Muhammadu Buhari;is like comparing Hitler and Mandela.While the former was an embodiment of raw,pure and unadultrated evil,the latter signifies struggle for the downtrodden,justice and accountability.Period!

This are words I would use to describe IBB

1 Lier
2 thief
3 Nigeria first 419..(father of all 419 in Nigeria)
4 Idoit
5 Selfish man
6 A foolish man
7 Worthlese man..
8 first born of satan
9 Homosex
10 criminal
11 Pretender
13 Evil
14 Wicked
15 Unfaithful man
16 vow breaker
 etc...


In all this word I did not lie

[Indabawa]

Comparing IBB with the "peoples" General,Muhammadu Buhari;is like comparing Hitler and Mandela.While the former was an embodiment of raw,pure and unadultrated evil,the latter signifies struggle for the downtrodden,justice and accountability.Period!

This are words I would use to describe IBB

1 Lier
2 thief
3 Nigeria first 419..(father of all 419 in Nigeria)
4 Idoit
5 Selfish man
6 A foolish man
7 Worthlese man..
8 first born of satan
9 Homosex
10 criminal
11 Pretender
13 Evil
14 Wicked
15 Unfaithful man
16 vow breaker
 etc...
In all this word I did not lie

mrguest,mhnn! we've really come to your turf.I can clearly see the venom and hatred,but can't you see that we can equally condemn IBB's satanic, pretentions,deception,sadism,evil and his penchant for backstabbing and perfidy,without necessarily betraying our emotions?This was an indivual who truncated and still conspire to ruin Nigeria of today and the future generations yet unborn.

IBB is evil incarnate,this is what the whole of Nigerians should understand.In this, we share the same view with mrguest.

[Indabawa]

Sadly in nigerian political arena all the arguments and pros and cons matter nought. As we speak the political intrigues and shenanigans leading up to 2007 have reached fever pitch and the truth of the matter is the powers that be do not trust a buhari presidency for the very reasons of accountability and probity listed above. This is the only country where the interests of the  populace is always at variance with those of a select few so called "elite" who have vested interests and are who lay down the political rules when the time comes, and they always seem to have their way.  Unless we reach a level of political maturity and awareness and people stand up to the establishment and fight and guard their votes (like kano) then all you can do is dream and watch your dream disappear b4 your eyes on election day.

I personally came across Gen Buhari not too long after his release from detention buying fuel at the mobil filling station at the Durbar hotel junction in kaduna. He was alone in a blue peugeot 505 ST and actually came down to open the fuel tank.
I was with a couple of friends and we talked about this incident for a long time, and as a person this seemingly insignificant detail has remained in my subconscious to date.

All we can do is pray for good leaders and Allah's guidance for them.

kitkat,

It is true that most of our major political actors depends on their machinery of deciet, coarcing,ghana-must-go and what have you.But as you noted on what happened in Kano during the last elections, when arrogance,tyranny and collous disdain for talaka was defeated;i believe Nigerians should be able to repeat the same feat by identifying our common enemies-these are the IBB's,the Atikus and the OBJs.

Therefore,after prayers we should be ready to jealosly guard our votes even if it comes to paying the supreme price.

IBB ? Atiku ? God forbid! :x

[alhaji_aminu]

assalamu alaikum

I think the verdict is unanimous in that IBB is seen as a conniving, deceitful, arrogant and drukenly corrupt leader. What I do see in some people's response is the use of the word 'evil' to describe the maverick military politician. I guess a more appropriate adjective to describe Babangida would be the word devillish instead of the word evil and this is why.

There is an important distiction here in that an evil person is bad because that is his nature while a person with devillish tendencies acts in such a manner due to certain circumstances. Babangida undoubtedly represents the latter. I am not in anyway diminishing the magnitude of Babangida's malevolence; NO, only that he is not totally on the other side which I presume we all know what it means.

I also agree with Indabawa that I have stirred the hornest nest in mrguest's favour. He has indeed shown tremendous callousness in describing IBB with words like "Homosex" and "first born of satan"         (a situation physiologcally incomprehensible), without proof.

we need more virulence against babangida.............. anyone?

tata

[EMTL]

Comparing IBB with the "peoples" General,Muhammadu Buhari;is like comparing Hitler and Mandela.While the former was an embodiment of raw,pure and unadultrated evil,the latter signifies struggle for the downtrodden,justice and accountability.Period!

This are words I would use to describe IBB

1 Lier
2 thief
3 Nigeria first 419..(father of all 419 in Nigeria)
4 Idoit
5 Selfish man
6 A foolish man
7 Worthlese man..
8 first born of satan
9 Homosex
10 criminal
11 Pretender
13 Evil
14 Wicked
15 Unfaithful man
16 vow breaker
 etc...


In all this word I did not lie

IBB and OBJ share a lot in common, i think OBJ is worst!

[Indabawa]

assalamu alaikum

I think the verdict is unanimous in that IBB is seen as a conniving, deceitful, arrogant and drukenly corrupt leader. What I do see in some people's response is the use of the word 'evil' to describe the maverick military politician. I guess a more appropriate adjective to describe Babangida would be the word devillish instead of the word evil and this is why.

There is an important distiction here in that an evil person is bad because that is his nature while a person with devillish tendencies acts in such a manner due to certain circumstances. Babangida undoubtedly represents the latter. I am not in anyway diminishing the magnitude of Babangida's malevolence; NO, only that he is not totally on the other side which I presume we all know what it means.

I also agree with Indabawa that I have stirred the hornest nest in mrguest's favour. He has indeed shown tremendous callousness in describing IBB with words like "Homosex" and "first born of satan"         (a situation physiologcally incomprehensible), without proof.

we need more virulence against babangida.............. anyone?

tata

myadudu'
Devilish would just be another appelation to the array of insidiously maniacal sadism of perhaps the single living Nigerian who believes in his art of quantum dose of mischief making.

The responses so far only comfirms that Nigerians are not as foolish as they were assumed to be;that is, before the bootlickers and hangers on join in to depend the undependable with their usual sweet talk and "you-dont-understand" rantings.[/b]

[gogannaka]

Salaam.

Gentlemen let us please try to be fair to IBB.
Indabawa, i am not sweettalking here.Let us all be realistic.
If one steps into this room he'd think that there is no person more 'EVIL'
than general Babangida.
Haba! ! !Dont let hatred overrun your ability to be constructive in your arguments.Everyone knows that there were flaws in the eight year regime
of IBB,but there were also laudable achievements in those eight years.Some of these achievements couldnt have been achieved any other time.

Amin,your argument that Babangida has a '52 room hilltop mansion' to me is irrelevant.IBB ruled this country for eight good years.He has been in the power circle for quite some time.Owning such a house is not something surprising.You should know that as a head of state he has many priviledges.
All past heads of states to tell you the truth ,live in mansions.The latest i've heard is that Gen.Abdulsalami Abubakar's is more elegant than that of IBB(note that Abdulsalami's years as head of state are less than that of IBB).
If Gen. Buhari hasn't got a mansion,i'd say it's because he didnt last long on the throne,or maybe mansions are not his favourites.

As for mrguest,i am not surprised at his utterances.For one to reply to such utterances implies a call for verbal assaults....So i'll keep shut.

Indabawa, you are one of the konliners i very much respect.But to compare IBB and Hitler is very wrong.....I know you'd find it hard to see anything good in IBB amma dai at least be fair in your arguments.

I hope i did not offend anyone.

[alhaji_aminu]

sallama yan'uwa

Indabbawa I hate to disappoint you but I had a P7 in English language when I took WAEC. I am telling you this because, joking honestly, i cannot digest this quote from you earlier posting, saying
Devilish would just be another appelation to the array of insidiously maniacal sadism of perhaps the single living Nigerian who believes in his art of quantum dose of mischief making.
I know the meaning of words like 'insidious', 'maniacal' etc but i just can't comprehend the aggregate meaning of the sentence.
can you break it down please...........

Gogannaka: I guess you are right that IBB has been in power circles for quite some time and other generals have houses like his. But, all this confirms corruption by him, IBB, and the other generals with houses like his. Buhari is not in this league.

Thats all i know.

[Indabawa]

Salaam.

Gentlemen let us please try to be fair to IBB.
Indabawa, i am not sweettalking here.Let us all be realistic.
If one steps into this room he'd think that there is no person more 'EVIL'
than general Babangida.
Haba! ! !Dont let hatred overrun your ability to be constructive in your arguments.Everyone knows that there were flaws in the eight year regime
of IBB,but there were also laudable achievements in those eight years.Some of these achievements couldnt have been achieved any other time.

Amin,your argument that Babangida has a '52 room hilltop mansion' to me is irrelevant.IBB ruled this country for eight good years.He has been in the power circle for quite some time.Owning such a house is not something surprising.You should know that as a head of state he has many priviledges.
All past heads of states to tell you the truth ,live in mansions.The latest i've heard is that Gen.Abdulsalami Abubakar's is more elegant than that of IBB(note that Abdulsalami's years as head of state are less than that of IBB).
If Gen. Buhari hasn't got a mansion,i'd say it's because he didnt last long on the throne,or maybe mansions are not his favourites.

As for mrguest,i am not surprised at his utterances.For one to reply to such utterances implies a call for verbal assaults....So i'll keep shut.

Indabawa, you are one of the konliners i very much respect.But to compare IBB and Hitler is very wrong.....I know you'd find it hard to see anything good in IBB amma dai at least be fair in your arguments.

I hope i did not offend anyone.

Thank you very much gogannaka and also my friend myadudu.And i would not lump you among the bootlickers whom we surely anticipate their visit to the forum on this issue.

And i will also try to be fair in discussing the two sides of the coin on the "Evil genius".

To be sure, i was one of the greatest admirers of IBB; but that was before his diabolical intents starts to manifest,that was just after the IMF debate in 1986.It is true that IBB had his good moments which in all honesty should be applauded rather than castigated.But Bush also have his own dose of goodness-tax slash,educational policy,drastic reduction in unemployment rate-but could these measures be enough to "cleanse" Bush as he is now campaigning for a return ticket,even though his public rating is plummeting by the day?

As a citizen of Kano,i would be eternally grateful to IBB regime for the construction and commissioning of Challawa Gorge Dam,Kaduna-Kano dual carriege way,AKTU (if i'm not mistaken),Accelerated wheat programme,splitting of old Kano into Kano/Jigawa states among other things.

But his eventual never ending transition programme was decidedly the provervial load that breaks the camel's back.To my own understanding,all the trauma,the ceaseless inter communal and sectoral crises that bedevilled this country emanates from the IBB's past selfish power play.

In addition,it was IBB that perfected the art of devide and rule,which the subsiquent leaders finds readily deployable.In fact, it was IBB that initiates the politicising a crises,just for selfish reasons.Remember Zangon-Kataf massacre,in which hundreds of hausa muslims were mercilessly killed,the culprits apprehended,tried and prosecuted;but IBB just trivialise the issue by granting a state pardon to the murderous criminals thus, paving a way for the present situation, where by tribal and sectional champions don't give a hoot by instigating a crises, knowing fully well that there was precedent to fall on.

Moreover,it is only in Nigeria that a man like IBB who criminally annulled an election,can even show his face to the public,not to talk of considering another shot at the presidency.

Was it not also the same IBB who conspire to impose Obasanjo on Nigerians simply for the same selfish reason of appeasing the Yoruba for his earlier injustice? Also,have we already forgotten the role IBB played in scuttling the ambition of Buhari during the last presidential elections?

And what of the area of corruption,Nigerias greatest undoing? Was it not the same IBB who elevates it to an acceptable "norm" thus,making Nigeria's economy a comatose?

Gogannaka,you can easily see from the foregoing why IBB should not be forgiven by Nigerians, as it will serve as a lesson to those who are aspiring to rule the country.A person who callously ruin a whole generation, deserves no consideration but contempt.

This is just a summary,there are a million and one reasons on why IBB is percieved as one of the most "evil" phenomenum that ever happened to
Nigeria and Nigerians.

Myadudu, i think i've also broken down the array of devellish, sadistic,maniacal......tendencies of the "evil genius" for your digestion.

[mrguest]

Indabawa,
you said

"Also,have we already forgotten the role IBB played in scuttling the ambition of Buhari during the last presidential elections? "

Why did IBB do that , Imean stop Buhari, Answer for is own personal ambition. IBB know that if he work for Buhari to be president, Buhari would have 8 years in power and by the time it was is turn, He would be 72 years old... So he played Politices on Buhari.

See the self nature of IBB.

[Indabawa]

Indabawa,
you said

"Also,have we already forgotten the role IBB played in scuttling the ambition of Buhari during the last presidential elections? "

Why did IBB do that , Imean stop Buhari, Answer for is own personal ambition. IBB know that if he work for Buhari to be president, Buhari would have 8 years in power and by the time it was is turn, He would be 72 years old... So he played Politices on Buhari.

See the self nature of IBB.

Let's clap for mrguest,he really got it this time around.Man,so you can really think? GREAT! :o

[Ibro2g]

Sadly in nigerian political arena all the arguments and pros and cons matter nought..

I couldnt agree more. In Nigeria since votes dont count and who wind depends on the gr8ter evil doer, I'd say Buhari might never get a seat.
Allah ya taimaka mana.