MY Other GIFT TO K_ONLINERS

[_Waziri_]

Salam all,

Friends and well wishers, it is only  fair of us  at this moment to take a little breath and refresh our minds with some factual evidence that could be gathered from the debris of history.

My gift to you this morning comes in a form of two electronic books titled: The Controversy Of Zion, by Douglas Reed and The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler.

Douglas Reed was the only "ordained", among others, leading reporter of the Times in Berlin,Germany, during second world war, before he was expelled and despite his popularity   with the crowd around the world, he began to sink and his books gradually were out of print. I have the above title out of his books and would be glad to share it with you. The book  is some 2.5 MB on disc and as such cannot be sent via email. Anybody wishing to get everything FORMATTED and PAGED can just send me a PM so that we can arrange on how to chat via MSN or Yahoo that the book can be effectively transfered to him/her.

The other book, The Thirtteenth Tribe is from an Ashkenazi Jew who thought it expedient to tell the world the truth about the Eastern Jews who are now terrorizing the world in the name of Zionism and   return to the promised land that  is never their's never has been and never will be.

Arthur Koestler and his wife were killed in cold blood in 1983 at the height of the controversy ensuing from his "unveiling".

My beloved brothers, I am sure these two books will immensely help your minds in comprehending the many complex things we say here about secularism,  materialism, irreligion  and above all, the demagoguery that is guising today as  the only truth about the world politics.

Thank you once again.
Keep da date wid us at K-online.
And we will Insha Allah refresh, reframe and rebuild your mind for a right living in this temporary abode called world.

Ibraheem A. Waziri

[Eskimo]

salam
jazakallah bi khair
i am interested in those books
u may send it to anybody with yahoo account if you have one too
it support up to 10MB of file transfer.
please send me @ this add
abumanzo@yahoo.com


looking forward to recieve
Thanks

[dan kauye]

salam
jazakallah bi khair
i am interested in those books
u may send it to anybody with yahoo account if you have one too
it support up to 10MB of file transfer.
please send me @ this add
abumanzo@yahoo.com


looking forward to recieve
Thanks

me too,plz send 2 donbee2k3@yahoo.com.thnax a mile khalil.

[Indabawa]

Khalil,

It is only the God Almighty that can reward you for sharing and imparting a valuable information.

I am also absulutely in concert with dan kauye and Eskimo in requesting you to please send me the books through the following address:
indabawa20022000@yahoo.com

Thanks a million times.

Bissalam. :D

[Nuruddeen]

Salaam,

Me gida Waziri, this is really great. Let me quickly make my own demand. The Thirteenth Tribe I guess can serve. And If you wouldn't mind including your adress and whereabout. You write to me @ jibonura@yahoo.com  

[_Waziri_]

Thanks to you all, I will Insha Allahu despatch everything to your respective adresses tomorrow. I am a little under pressure now.

For Nurudeen thank you for the interest shown in my person, I will communicate the details bout my self.

I pray we should all remain in the bond of brotherhood  that we may have better stories to tell our grandchildren about our communion here in years and years to come.

I cherish you all
I remain loyal
I ask for your forgiveness

[_Waziri_]

Have already emailed you the books hope after reading them we will come back here and debate their content or what do you think?

thank you once again

[Indabawa]

Jazakallah katheeran,Khalil.

I am most eager to peruse and digest the content of the books and of course we shall meet at the market place.

May God open our hearts and eyes to the truth and may He also give us the will to act accordingly. :D

[Eskimo]

Dont Disturb... :D  :D I am busy reading! :D

[alhaji_aminu]

salam
At the risk of being labelled a spoiler, I find this issue about Jews and their deceit, arrogance, crimes and folly very untopical. I mean do we need an Ashkenazim jew to tell us that Jews, be it from Eastern Europe or the Middle East, are what they are: maniacal usurpers?
Hasn't Allah made it clear in the Quran that Jews are hypocrates, prophet killers and in constant defiance of his divinity/guidance? To me, using evidence from non Islamic sources signals a kind of 'even-them-say-it' attitude. It like trying to prove that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is indeed a messanger of God using disputed gospels of Christianity (Saint Barnabas' gospel to be exact).
The mission of prophet and the treachery of the Jews is well said in the Quran. We need not look further.
That is that.
We need to concentrate more on the issues at home. Issues such as the president's dictatorial disposition, fuel price hike, corruption, power outages, sharia etc.
That is what we experience everyday and that is what we should talk about. For all I care Koestler's book is a fabrication just like the protocols of elder Zion. Not that what is talked about in the books are untrue.
May Allah save us from the treachery of the Jews and their allies........... amin.

[ummita]

salam
At the risk of being labelled a spoiler, .

I cudnt help but laff........well if ppl labell u dat way.....pay dem no mind.

For dis topic.........its interestin.

[_Waziri_]

myadudu, I really did not expect that from you for it is a common knowledge to every Muslim that the first commandment to the Prophet of Islam was ?Read!!!? therefore, it is obvious that what we are doing here is in direct provision to the first commandment of the Qur?an. Since Qur?an does not prescribe limit to what should be read.
   
Add to this also, is the affirmation of Allah in the Qur?an that those who revere him most among His servants are the most knowledgeable. When we also consider the saying of the Holy Prophet: Al Hikmatu Dalatul Mu?min , Ayna ma Wajadaha Akhazaha meaning, Wisdom is a stray camel of the faithful where ever they find it they hold it, you  will see that  ours is perhaps the best exercise any Muslim can undertake.

When Arthur Koestler wrote about the treachery of the Khazar Jews, aint he worth reading and digesting by us for the consolidation of our faith in the Qur?an, which says they are treacherous? Or do you suggest that since Qur?an says human embryo changes at the 39th to 41st dates then we should just ignore the reading of the scientific findings of Prof. Keith Moore, the leading embryologist of his time, who researched the subject matter and brought about empirical solid evidence, in 1994, in support of Qur?anic claims?

I really do not think you would suggest us to stop looking at the issue of the relationship of human heart and decision making scientifically even when we cannot find scientific evidences in support of the claims of the Qur?an that heart is the ultimate decision maker in human beings not their brains.

Ok.  You claim The Thirteenth Tribe is a fabrication just like the Protocols of The Learned Elders Of Zion even though you did not demonstrate even a skewed knowledge of the contents of Koestlers?.

I pray you should have considered first the fact that Arthur Koestler is real and well known in the intellectual circle as the Author of many novels unlike the authors of the Protocols who are not known in anyway. While Arthur Koestler in his discourse validated his postulations with many reference materials and factual realities the Protocols do not carry any such reference in any way. Though this does not necessarily mean that The Protocols are not true but it means there is no any basis  on which you can compare the two.

Another thing also is we are not reading Arthur Koestler just for the simple reason that he is one of them but because of the founding logic on which he built his premise and when you have somebody giving witness against himself with such ground breaking evidences every court of law will take it to be the Maxima-Opus.

Nay, we cannot confine ourselves to Nigeria and those events that affect it at the expense of those things that affect the generality of humankind since Nigeria is only a name given to a geography with no any valuable attribute than just a nation that is not even older than many uncles I have today.

Yes, my uncles were there and very happy when Nigeria was not imagined and I believe we will survive happily when we today decide to expand Nigeria to comprise all other territories of the world or reduce it to only an Igbo state in the name of Biafara. You will see that life will continue and our fight on the Platform of the ideas expressed in The Thirteenth Tribe will continue. They are what are eternal to us not Nigeria.

And believe you me sincerely it is those youths among Nigerians that can discuss ideas that have the potential of changing the course of events in Nigeria and other parts of the world, not those who discuss events only after they have happened reducing their activities to only what can be called ?Ihu Bayan Hari?. It is better to discuss IMF and its mechanism of influencing Nigerian leaders, not discuss African leaders when they have already succumbed to the overwhelming influence of IMF.

Mayadudu this is what we are trying to do around here. We are human beings first with brothers any where across the globe not Nigerians only who are members of a geography that we are likely to outlive someday.  

For Eskimo, Indabawa, Nuruddeen, dan kauye and Ummita, I say my thanks again. We can carry on the discourse if we wish.

For Myadudu, I remain most grateful and duty bound to remember those excellent points you made several times in the course of our intercourse on this board for nearly two years.

Yours in brotherhood
Ibraheem A.Waziri

[alhaji_aminu]

Salam
Yallabai waziri your points are well taken. But I believe your premise is wrong in assuming my argument is against all forms of reading. As can you attest yourself, reading pornographic magazines is not what Allah commanded us to do in the sura you quoted.

I am not trying to trivialize the issue but the truth is, there are things which we must, by Allah's commandments, read and others which we must avoid at all times. For example, Salman Rushdie's book could be one of them to avoid because it is intellectual pornography . Question is, what qualifies as 'intellectual pornography' and what does not? I really cannot say. The difference therein makes the separation of what to read and what not to read.

Having said that, I guess the main thrust of my argument is for reading Allah's book, the holy Quran, to decipher things which Keith Moore, Maurice Bucaille, Harun Yahya, and many others are writing about. Why? because it is only the Quran that is authentic and without errors.

There is one thing I would like to make clear. A thing that is 'fabricated' might infact be 'factual' (excuse my orwellian language and also take into account the context). For example, law enforcement officers 'fabricate' evidence in the hope 'deceiving' criminals into confessing what the officer 'fabricate' to convict a suspect. Mind you the deception here was not to make the criminal own what he had not done, no, just to disorient him into believing that the officers knew what the criminal thought they did not know. It is a complex pyscho-legal procedure and I need not go into detail here.....

True I have not read Koestlers book nor do I know who he is yet I called the book a fabrication. Why? because that's what I was told and I believed it. What I voiced was my opinion which is obviously NOT a fact.

I am in agreement with you in matters of scientific/modern knowledge. learning is a must to fullfil (sic???) Allah's command.

Also, I still believe we are obligated to think locally and act locally in terms of our predicaments. Yes, Muslims are suffering in other parts of the world but so are the Muslims at Yelwa and Numan. We  must right the wrongs in Nigeria before trying to help the Palestinians or Kashmiri's right their wrongs.

In ending, ina jin baka fahimci argument dinaba. I am not against reading Koestler's book only that when there is a superior source, like the Quran or Hadith, then we must, as a matter or principle, make sure we mention that first. Nayi ammana cewa we are on the same wave length se dai, akwai abubuwan da muke gani daban.

And that my learned senior is why Islam is great and why I chose it as my religion.

Allah yabamu alherinsa....... amin.

[Indabawa]

Waziri and myadudu,

In all honesty i did not see any reason why we should trivialise our discourse at this juncture.

Brother Waziri has brilliantly postulated the indispensibility of seeking knowledge, from Islamic perspective.

To brother myadudu,i think it wil be an "intellectual suicide" for a Muslim to localise his intellectual franchise.It is indeed Islam, that prompted mankind to expand his search for knowledge to the outer space.

In addition,a Muslim is expected to always be an embodment of sakafa-that sophistication and right disposition to general worldview.

All the same, we shall continue with our studies, and i hope myadudu will also request for a copy of Kroesler, so as to enable him  join us later at the market place!

[alhaji_aminu]

salam
Indabawa agaisheka.Kafin na manta, are you by any chance the Biology lecturer in BUK because I was student of wani mallami Indabawa a BUK.

I dont know how to approach this. I really cannot believe, that somehow you believe that I believe knowledge other than Islamic knowledge is un important. I have not said that nor I am saying that now.

Also, I dont get what you mean by saying "........i did not see any reason why we should trivialise our discourse at this juncture"? You see, my understanding is that Waziri misunderstood my argument as to the prioritization of Islamic scripture over other writings. My intention, from the outset, was to point out that Koestler's assertion, which i inferred to be an indictment of the Jews and their antics, are nothing new. Allah's book, Quranul-Kareem has already enlightened us on those issues.

Going on, it is true that one will commit 'intellectual suicide' by localising his intellectual franchise. What I will however take issue with is the definition of 'local'. In no place and at no time did i canvass the exclusion of other relevant studies of human endeavour. I said in my latest post that " I am in agreement with you (waziri) in matters of scientific/modern knowledge. learning is a must to fullfil (sic???) Allah's commands" I am sure this will clear up your worries vis-a-vis my'localisation-of-knowledge' mentality. Note also: its is for my penchant for 'sakafa' that I am now studying electrical engineering at the university level.

Like Waziri before you, our argument stem more from the 'presumption-of-what-i-meant' rather than substance of what i wrote. Perhaps I am wrong, which I am often.

As for Koestler's book, i think i am better off reading the 'Da vinci code', which, by the way, I recommend everyone read.

As always, thanks for your time and Allah ya karawa annabi daraja
amin

bissalam