my question is the title of the topic, i would like to know if this can happen and if its allowed?????????
Quote from: "amira"my question is the title of the topic, i would like to know if this can happen and if its allowed?????????
why not? if only you want the traditional title of 'amirar kanawa' let us know!
:lol: :lol: :lol: lalle mallam bash nice answer but truthfully, personally i dont like the idea of that cos its not following the tradition of passing the title to the family that is holding this status. Then again everyone has their own view on this but wat do you think?????????
Quote from: "amira"my question is the title of the topic, i would like to know if this can happen and if its allowed?????????
What a nice post! It ssound very thoughful but a bit funny.
Well, they are presently buying it, but it isn't allow I think. Its for those who inherited it, right?
Quote from: "Muhsin"Quote from: "amira"my question is the title of the topic, i would like to know if this can happen and if its allowed?????????
What a nice post! It ssound very thoughful but a bit funny.
Well, they are presently buying it, but it isn't allow I think. Its for those who inherited it, right?
well it should be for those that inherit it, but as you said they are presently buying it which goes to show that anyone who has the money can get into sarauta n wen you think about it, it aint right.
As your thought comes across this matter, I think you are supposed to advise those(sarauta buyers) people. They should desist from this act, isn't that true?
Sarauta buying (to borrow Muhsin's quaint and exotic terminology :wink: ) is not confined to the north of Nigeria or to Nigeria either. It is also an age old phenomenon.
With respect to Nigeria, the title of chief has now become so common place that it has lost its cachet of being an aristocratic title. Now every tomcat with money can buy a chieftaincy and be called a 'Shif' and a lot of these tomcats were sewer rats b4 they muscled their way to the money........
I think in pre twentieth century England, Knighthoods and baronetcies could be bought by those who could afford them. Nowadays, knighthoods are conferred to persons who were deemed to have served England or the commonwealth in some national or international capacity.
Quote from: "amira":lol: :lol: :lol: lalle mallam bash nice answer but truthfully, personally i dont like the idea of that cos its not following the tradition of passing the title to the family that is holding this status. Then again everyone has their own view on this but wat do you think?????????
Come to think of it, I think it is a good idea to be able to buy a title. But not the Nigerian way. What I mean about the Nigerian way is that many of our 'nouveau riche - nouveau aristocrats' acquired their wealth in a questionable way. So although society may look up to them because they are rich, deep down, you cant really label them as honorable ppl, and I think sarauta titles are supposed to distinguish the honor of a house or something like that. So in effect, those who buy titles in Nigeria are diminishing the mystique and aura that surrounds the title.
However, if your money was obtained from the labour of yr back, yr muscles or yr brain, then I think getting a title is like patting yrself on the back for making yr worldly life worthwhile in the worldly sense, and there is no better way to announce to the world your worth than by becoming a Dan matawallen, Madugun, Zannan, Dan Isan, or even Talban Kano online (dont you think so admin? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ).
Quote from: "amira":lol: :lol: :lol: lalle mallam bash nice answer but truthfully, personally i dont like the idea of that cos its not following the tradition of passing the title to the family that is holding this status. Then again everyone has their own view on this but wat do you think?????????
well.........Amira the truth is that, the act of buying sarauta is very wrong. but as it is with every other aspect of our life, corruption has penetrated the royal houses. but again looking at it from another perspective, it's a way of sourcing revenue, afterall the title(S) been sold are mainly created for that purpose.
Quote from: "amira":lol: :lol: :lol: lalle mallam bash nice answer but truthfully, personally i dont like the idea of that cos its not following the tradition of passing the title to the family that is holding this status. Then again everyone has their own view on this but wat do you think?????????
well.........Amira the truth is that, the act of buying sarauta is very wrong. but as it is with every other aspect of our life, corruption has penetrated the royal houses. but again looking at it from another perspective, it's a way of sourcing revenue, afterall the title(S) been sold are mainly created for that purpose.
well.........Amira the truth is that, the act of buying sarauta is very wrong. but as it is with every other aspect of our life, corruption has penetrated the royal houses. but again looking at it from another perspective, it's a way of sourcing revenue, afterall the title(S) been sold are mainly created for that purpose.
Quote from: "mlbash"Quote from: "amira":lol: :lol: :lol: lalle mallam bash nice answer but truthfully, personally i dont like the idea of that cos its not following the tradition of passing the title to the family that is holding this status. Then again everyone has their own view on this but wat do you think?????????
well.........Amira the truth is that, the act of buying sarauta is very wrong. but as it is with every other aspect of our life, corruption has penetrated the royal houses. but again looking at it from another perspective, it's a way of sourcing revenue, afterall the title(S) been sold are mainly created for that purpose.
What makes it 'very wrong' pray? Its not a divine right, those who have it are not any better than those who dont have it. Infact what is wrong about it is that it should be hereditary, because so many of those who inherit a title have done nothing to deserve it.
....... And the Emir of Katsina ( Allah shi kara masa Imani) sold sarauta to the disgraced former governor of Bayelsa state.
It happens so quite often that I doubt if any of the politicos (like Aminu Masari) getting titles today deserve it at all. The closest thing to this shameful perversion of culture and history is the tastless award of dcotorate degrees to narcisists (like Kwankwaso and Sani Yerima).
Nigeria is so messed up that anything of value conceivable could be bought or sold...... for a price of course!
Salam
Quote from: "alhaji_aminu"....... And the Emir of Katsina ( Allah shi kara masa Imani) sold sarauta to the disgraced former governor of Bayelsa state.
It happens so quite often that I doubt if any of the politicos (like Aminu Masari) getting titles today deserve it at all. The closest thing to this shameful perversion of culture and history is the tastless award of dcotorate degrees to narcisists (like Kwankwaso and Sani Yerima).
Nigeria is so messed up that anything of value conceivable could be bought or sold...... for a price of course!
Salam
Wallahi kuwa!!!!
To my way of thinking, gara a saida sarauta da a sai da mukamin ilimi. Tunda that is the real fraudulence. Shi mukamun ilimi, one has to work towards getting it, whereas sarauta is an accident of birth and has nothing to do with ability.
Quote from: "alhaji_aminu"....... And the Emir of Katsina ( Allah shi kara masa Imani) sold sarauta to the disgraced former governor of Bayelsa state.
It happens so quite often that I doubt if any of the politicos (like Aminu Masari) getting titles today deserve it at all. The closest thing to this shameful perversion of culture and history is the tastless award of dcotorate degrees to narcisists (like Kwankwaso and Sani Yerima).
Nigeria is so messed up that anything of value conceivable could be bought or sold...... for a price of course!
Salam
Wallahi, I was really dishearten then. I didn't know why did he do something like this. Allah ya kiyaye!
Quote from: "alhaji_aminu"....... And the Emir of Katsina ( Allah shi kara masa Imani) sold sarauta to the disgraced former governor of Bayelsa state.
It happens so quite often that I doubt if any of the politicos (like Aminu Masari) getting titles today deserve it at all. The closest thing to this shameful perversion of culture and history is the tastless award of dcotorate degrees to narcisists (like Kwankwaso and Sani Yerima).
Nigeria is so messed up that anything of value conceivable could be bought or sold...... for a price of course!
Salam
i didnt kno that sarkin kt did that, to allah ya shirya.
not only sarkin kt did that, even the sultanate has done that, so it is really not something strange,as you seem to regard it.
not only sarkin kt did that, even the sultanate has done that, so it is really not something strange,as you seem to regard it.
Mlbash.
I think this cannot make it so to us. But if you mean to hear, then I will agree. But it really is a humongous strange thing.
Quote from: "Muhsin"Mlbash.
I think this cannot make it so to us. But if you mean to hear, then I will agree. But it really is a humongous strange thing.
that's true, i gotta agree with that. :shock:
so ashe they are the ones that started up this sellin
sarauta business, so see from wat i'm thinking........... if they
hadn't started selling sarauta to whoever, other ppl wudnt have got the idea of doing the same whereas in buying it.
lallai wannan filin maganar na yan sarauta ne!!!!!
is more like it jibo, don't here the latest traditional title on-line; amirar kanawa! she bought it from the admin. it was a historic celebration for k-online; among the invited guests were; gogannaka, dan kauye, ummita, hafsy baby, fateez, mudacris, bakan gizo, waziri, zizo, mushin, dante and the admin himself!
With deference to her royal highness,the Amirar kanawa,
i'd have to sayit?s really appalling the current trend of buying prestigious traditional titles and honorary degrees in our society.
Well at least the procedure of conferment of National honors has managed to retain relative stateliness and esteem.
daga ina kuka samo man sarautar kanawa????? 8)
Quote from: mlbash on September 30, 2006, 05:13:31 PM
is more like it jibo, don't here the latest traditional title on-line; amirar kanawa! she bought it from the admin. it was a historic celebration for k-online; among the invited guests were; gogannaka, dan kauye, ummita, hafsy baby, fateez, mudacris, bakan gizo, waziri, zizo, mushin, dante and the admin himself!
mlbash where have you got to? inanan ina jiran ka,you still haven told me how i aquired this sarautar da ka damka min. Barawan admin da saide saide :)
hola amira,it could have been more precise to ask "how frequent does manyan mutane buy their way into sarauta?",this epidemic started its sporadic spread since the day traditional rulers lost thier powers to democracy.the emir has to lure the capitalist and xtremely rich people,which are the so called "manyan mutane" in order to satisfy his own policies.
anyway i dont blame the emirs,they were stripped of thier powers and set to work under thier servants,it takes a man wit good faith to take his eyes off the cash.i hope i have answered ur question.adios amiga
P.S. i'll lyk to commend on the way u've been keepin the lively,i've been AWOL for lyk two yrs,i never thot i'll fyn it as interestin as when ummita,ibro2g and the rest are active,i guess i'm wrong,u guyz are doing hell of a job here.
Quote from: HUSNAA on August 23, 2006, 07:26:20 AM
Quote from: alhaji_aminu....... And the Emir of Katsina ( Allah shi kara masa Imani) sold sarauta to the disgraced former governor of Bayelsa state.
It happens so quite often that I doubt if any of the politicos (like Aminu Masari) getting titles today deserve it at all. The closest thing to this shameful perversion of culture and history is the tastless award of dcotorate degrees to narcisists (like Kwankwaso and Sani Yerima).
Nigeria is so messed up that anything of value conceivable could be bought or sold...... for a price of course!
Salam
Wallahi kuwa!!!!
To my way of thinking, gara a saida sarauta da a sai da mukamin ilimi. Tunda that is the real fraudulence. Shi mukamun ilimi, one has to work towards getting it, whereas sarauta is an accident of birth and has nothing to do with ability.
It's true fa!!!. gara suyi ta saida sarautarsu amma dai kar a sai da bangaren ilmi which is very very important.
Today in Nigeria, in kana da kudi you can get alot, har ma abunda bai kamata kasamu bama, just bcous of money.
Allah ya kyauta!!