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chit-chat / Latest from the General Board
« on: September 03, 2006, 12:39:30 PM »
Hey Muda, Husna,

If you cannot stop these people from making foolish claims you have no right to say I should not attempt to stop them. Don't you see what the other guy, Ete, is doing at the general board? Go and talk to him before coming to spit on me. Lionger is loosing that is why he is keeping shut but given the chance, he too will insult Islam and its Prophet as the others are doing. Better get a life!!!

General Board / Concerning The Claim of a Promised Land for the Jews
« on: September 03, 2006, 12:34:01 PM »
Waziri, I don't have much time as often, I would have helped you as much as I can. This is undoubtedly one of the greatest exposition of the fallacy of the Promised Land for the Jews, I have ever read. Waz, your perspective is always fresh and well informed. Keep up the good work. We cannot survive without your type.

chit-chat / Latest from the General Board
« on: August 30, 2006, 11:01:58 AM »
What was the nature of sammy's and usman11's accusations against Islam? In general you will agree that they accused muslims and their prophet Muhammed of being violent people.

This is not true, you now quite well they attack the person of the prophet and other symbols of Islam but yet you try to compare them with Waziri. Waziri did not complain about this but it does not mean it is not so. You too are like these people with hatred against Islam. If not for people like Waziri on this forum, only God knows what you people will say against Islam.

Yorubaland, you and otehr muslims found this very insulting, and this is natural. But here Waziri is telling us that the Jewish religion of today is racist and violent, and virtually inspires all of the Jews' violent actions. Now is there really much difference b/w Waziri's charges and those of sammy and usman11?

I do not have time to be contributing to the forum very much. I would have engaged you more seriously. You know you admitted of not knowing much of Jewish religion. What Waziri says about them is what they don't deny about themselves. Sammy and Usman tell lies against Muslims in a very insulting manner. I remember Usman11 did even apologised to Waziri at a time, having realised the true value of the legend.

Sure Waziri backed his position with facts, but so did the others!

Which others? What facts? when you don't know most of what is being talked about when it is discussed.

What I was trying to show Waziri was that he did not suffer the sort of aversion that sammy and usman11 did; at least not from me. At no point did I ever call him names. All I did was to factually disprove what was an attack on the Torah which I also hold sacred. Now with sammy and usman11, no-one bothered to disprove anything they said factually; all they got was censore and insult!

This is a pure lie! Usman11 was challenged seriously by Waziri to prove his points and when he was unable, he started abusing people, so was Sammy. Hey! I read this board everyday! Nothing new you can tell me.

Ete doesn't even have credibility, he even lied about his faith claiming to be a Muslim. Most of you, including Usman11 and Sammy are like him. You have no credibility and we will not tolerate you here again!!!

chit-chat / Latest from the General Board
« on: August 26, 2006, 11:29:21 AM »
Quote from: "lionger"

Shebi u wan put leg enta trousa wit me  :twisted: ? I never bashed Waziri, nor did I ever label any of his posts offensive. I simply disagreed with his view on Genesis, Deuteronomy and Israel and he got mad. The only thing Waziri should be tired of is his condescending attitude towards other forumners :twisted: !


Na lie be dat. Lionger Goggs  is right. You ppl bash the living legend. You label his posts offensive as Sammy's and Usman11. You call him names sugesting he mischieviously distorts the Bible, blah, blah, blah. You say he is highhanded, when it is you who are. But finally he has scaled through it all.

You pll wanted to embarass him but he has won the debate  and allow you in shame. Other forumners must go and see the finishing part of it. He proved you don't know what you are doing which make you feel he is highhanded.

Waz, don't relent as Husna said. You have survived so many agressors on this forum. I only fear the day they will get you, but mean while you remain on top.

« on: August 26, 2006, 11:19:30 AM »
Waziri, you did a very good job here. It turned out that they don't know what they are vehemently opposing you about.

May God greese your elbow or ink your pen, no, soften your keyboard that we may continue to learn from your fountain of knowledge. May Allah bless you. Amen. The living legend!

« on: February 12, 2006, 04:15:50 PM »
Hey guys!
Do you mean you did not see this part of the post by this UNEDUCATED lyiing Sammy in the other thread that was shut by the admin?????

If you want to debate the cartoons here why lie against the person of the prophet?

April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang

After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.

-Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammed Marmaduke

General Board / Wow! What a time to come back here!
« on: February 12, 2006, 04:09:58 PM »
Those 12 Offensive Cartoons-Caricatures of Islam?s Prophet Muhamad (PBUH)


Paul States
I. Adujie

New York, United


What if I was a Muslim? Would I, have like this idiotic portrayal of Islam?s Prophet Muhamad? But of course not! So, why is such portrayal acceptable to some?


In my opinion, that is all the questions that the journalists at Denmark?s Jyllands-Posten and their sympathizers all over Europe needs to answer or resolve.

How would they feel, if their holy of holies is desecrated and demeaned?


It will be recalled that Denmark?s Jyllands-Posten in September 2005 published their silly series of cartoons which portrayed or depicted Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as if with a turban, but grenade like turban, with a lighted fuse.


In essence, it suggested that the prophet was a violent symbol or an explosive representative of Islam and by extrapolation, Islam itself is violent.


Expectedly, adherents of the Islamic faith, took strong exception to these calculated affront committed by these journalists in the name of press freedom. But press freedom must be exercised with a great sense of responsibility.


And media freedoms cannot be limitless or irresponsibly exercised.


How would Christians appreciate the portrayal of the Christian Cross and Jesus Christ if depicted and portrayed, in such depraved and violent manner? How would the Christians feel if the Cross on Christ?s shoulders is cartooned-caricatured to look like a shoulder-fired surface-to-air-missile (SAM)? Or Stinger Missile similar to the ones given to the Mujaheedeen by the CIA before Afghanistan morphed into the hands of Taliban?


And would the Jews not rightly call anyone anti Semitic if such non-Jew was caught depicting the Star of David as weapon or tool of violence?


Why does the world, particularly, Europe expect a different sorts of reactions by adherents of the Islamic faith?


The enthusiasms with which other European newspapers and publications embraced the denigration of Prophet Muhammad and the spiraling willingness to engage in these disparagements of the symbol of Islam is, to say the least, disturbing; It creates and reinforces the impression that there is an orchestrated war against Islam by America and Europe. Particularly since September 11, 2001, the appearance has been created and nurtured, to the effect that the so-called war against terrorism is actually a war against Islam. Contest between religions, Christian and Islamic civilizations.


It is therefore safe to say that this latest siege and unified attack from the European Press against Islam, is merely a continuation of a clash of cultures of Christianity and Islam.


Christianity postures as the superior culture, the superior religion and the superior civilization. And to that extent, it does appear, as if, there are repeated attempts to humble and defeat Islam through the contests of civilizations in wars, in portrayals and even the ridiculing of Islamic symbols as was engaged in by Denmark?s Jyllands-Posten and its copy-cats sympathizers all over Europe ballyhooed last week.


And of course, we are to pretend and feign surprise when our Muslims brethrens react to lampooning of their holies? Some prefer to believe that Muslims are just being unreasonable! That is not so. Muslims are merely resisting unwarranted attacks.


Here in the US, I have witnessed protests and picketing of movies and theater plays that are satirical of Christianity or Jesus Christ, notably, Jesus Christ Super Star.


And more recently, Mel Gibson was criticized by some Christians but more severely by Jews because of his movie ?Passion of the Christ? Mel Gibson had to engage in repeated explanations and at some point his movie was edited to assuage the feelings of his critics. Where was press freedom and artistic freedom as defense or superior argument when Mel Gibson was severally severely mauled by the critics?


Why is everyone now suddenly hiding under freedom of expression and press freedom as the excuse for tolerating and perpetuating what is clearly an inappropriate portrayal of Prophet Muhammad and Islam, with the subliminal auto suggestion, that Islam, its prophet and symbols are interchangeable with war, violence and terrorism in the same sentence? Why the linkage of Islam, its prophet with violence or tools of war, grenade?


Whatever happened to the Christian admonition of Do Unto Others as you would have them do unto you? I thought true Christian values requires that Christians have, and demonstrate respect and tolerance toward the holies of all others? Or is it The Inquisition all over again?


But why is it, that when it comes to Muslims, we pretend, that their feelings do not matter or that the rest of us are not obliged to respect their feelings and religious sensibilities? And when Muslim therefore reacts to these shortsighted policies, we are shocked and dismayed? Or conclude that Muslims are just unreasonable?


Why can?t Christians and Jews demonstrate the same respect and care, when handling Islam and Muslims? holies? Why can?t Christians and Jews simply put themselves in the proverbial shoes of Islam and Muslims as it were?


Christian Conservatives also known as the Evangelicals the US, currently drive and propel public policies in America foreign and domestic policies that is, however, same Christians Conservatives, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed etc who are excited agog at their policies successes at home and abroad, but are loathe to have Islamic influenced public policies in Palestine, Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan! But why is this fair?


Why is it okay for Pat Robertson to issue Christian fatwa against President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, but somehow, it is not acceptable for religious clerics in Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq to issue Islamic fatwa against a person or persons who affront their religion?


I personally abhor violence, but if force be the measure of strength and if might be deemed right, who is to determine who gets nuclear weapons power and who is to determine the superiority between Evangelical Christian propelled fatwa and its Islamic version?


I was raised as a Christian of the Catholic faith, even though I am now semi-retired Catholic, I would not intentionally or deliberately disrespect what the Catholics hold dear; Similarly, I would expect all of us, in the finest Christian tradition to show and demonstrate respect towards other peoples holies. Long Live Islam!

Quote from: "usman11"
If I catch this waziri, I would have flogged him seriously  He is such a kata-kata person. Ok, I agree with everyone. This was way overboard and unnecessary. There is no doubt that Waziri is a brilliant writer in his presentations. I am also enjoyed the contributions of everyone here despite the position they take on this issue. I withdraw all unpleasant commentaries of mine, and apologize to everyone that I have offended including waziri. Waziri sorry for my rude outburst. All that was in the heat of argument. I respect your views whether or not I agree with them.

Cheers everyone!

Had it been you woke to this realisation right from the begging we would not have had problems with you. But anyway I must say I love your humility.

For Waziri, I believe you will come to know he is not as bad as you thought he was. The guy is great, Intelligent, sharp and extra - ordinary. They call him the legendary Waziri around here and I believe he is, having known and worked with him for years.

General Board / Re: Law
« on: May 21, 2005, 07:00:41 PM »
Quote from: "Dave_McEwan_Hill"

Any system of laws are only as good as the persons interpreting them.
My observation leads me to conclude that there is lot of evidence of Sharia law being interpreted by bullies to as it seems in many places only to be enforced against the poor.

Hi Dave, me thinks this is a point made across by all the contributors. The law is flawless but its implementors are not. Also this is not peculier with the Shari'a but all systems In UK, US or Nigeria.

General Board / Opponents of Death Penalty should read this!!!
« on: May 11, 2005, 03:40:45 PM »
Quote from: "usman11"
my dear learned friend myadudu, believe me, I am not disparaging your dear beloved prophet. Every comment I have made about the Prophet is contained in the Hadith or even the Koran.  These books are accepted authoritatively in Islam as truths. So if I am telling the truth as conveyed by these books, where have I erred?

But where lies the truth if your posts were to be compared with those of Waziri?

Besides, everything you put up here were copied from somewhere, they are not yours originally, I came across the articles 10+ years back. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

General Board / Shawara ga gwamnan Kano
« on: December 12, 2004, 01:53:06 PM »
Sorry Sas please. I did not intend saying Waziri was lying. I wanted to bring out the meaning of what SAAHIB 92 was trying to say. I f he say Waziri should bring evidence of his writing in Hausa for him to be sure of what Waziri say then he meant to say Waziri was lying.

Actually I know Waziri very well and I know what he can or cannot do. But still I am sorry if anybody should find what I said harsh.

« on: December 07, 2004, 06:05:28 PM »
Quote from: "Hausanicious"
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Quote from: "Hafsy_Lady"
and finally I missed allllllllllllllllll kanoonliners EXCEPT ONE PERSON :evil: :roll:  :roll

lol, since u can remember not missing one person all thru d period of ur long absence, it may be dat person is d one and only k-onliner u missed most!!!! U know you can't miss d one dat is different but u can mis all.

Mr Guest,

I will really luv 2 know who this person is? or rather, Hajiya Hafsy who is dat person dat u miss?

Yes Mr. Guest who is he???????????

General Board / Dariye's Reinstatement: to be or not to be?
« on: December 07, 2004, 05:49:09 PM »
That was a good one EMTL, But politics is beyond that money Dariye misappropriated. If Dariye were to be kept out of office it was because of the Jos crises.

General Board / For Christians and Muslims Only
« on: December 07, 2004, 05:43:42 PM »
Not only that Mr. Waz, I think you will need to write another essay on this tolerance thing. The stories are many which I belive you know of.

General Board / Shawara ga gwamnan Kano
« on: December 07, 2004, 05:39:49 PM »
I love Hausa language and I understand it very well and would like to have it developed too.

shi ilmi dadi ne da shi tun bama an raba an sanwa wasu ba, ina ma (waziri) zai gutsuro mana kadan daga ckin littafin da ya rubuta da yaran HAUSA ko ma kara gasgata shi kuma mu karu, domin DA ABOKIN DAKA AKAN .....SHA GARI?


Waziri is lying, he did not write any book in Hausa.

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