OBJ's Unfair treatment of Al Mustapha & others

[kilishi]

Gaskiya any person that has a heart must pity Almustapha and co,ni ji nake kamar in basu shawarar koda tsafi zasu yi su fito suyi saboda tsabar takaicui,not only that mustapha is facing another fabricated charges all in a bid to cleanse up abachas cronies,amma ta Allah ba tasu ba,nina rasa irin wanga zuciya ta bakin kwado Allah dai shi kyauta,kuma duk mu ci gaba da yi musu addu'a a duk lokacin da muka samu dama Allah ya fidda su lafiya Amin

[Nuruddeen]

EMTL, wannan kawai bakar mugunta ce irin ta Obasanjo. In fact, I begin to thinkand wonder that all Yoruba are...perhaps like that wo. But even god forgives not to talk of bloody human being like Aremu.

I wonder what this board will think if I countered that with a similarly crude and uneducated comment about people from the Northern part of Nigeria

Of course, u can my friend is a free world but I still maintain, repeat and affirm that what Mr. Olusegun did is inhumane and its just a slap on legal /judicial provisions. I therefore want to ask "guest33" whether he has seen any clause or section in Nigerian constitution that says u can detain somebody for morethan twenty four (24) hours without giving trial.

[guest33]

EMTL, wannan kawai bakar mugunta ce irin ta Obasanjo. In fact, I begin to thinkand wonder that all Yoruba are...perhaps like that wo. But even god forgives not to talk of bloody human being like Aremu.

I wonder what this board will think if I countered that with a similarly crude and uneducated comment about people from the Northern part of Nigeria

Of course, u can my friend is a free world but I still maintain, repeat and affirm that what Mr. Olusegun did is inhumane and its just a slap on legal /judicial provisions. I therefore want to ask "guest33" whether he has seen any clause or section in Nigerian constitution that says u can detain somebody for morethan twenty four (24) hours without giving trial.

I don't think you get it at all.
I don't care about your feelings for or against Obasanjo but when you characterise a whole ethnic group on the basis of one person's actions then you might begin to understand why I called your statement crude.
BTW Al Mustapha and Bamaiyi are in the process of being tried

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

When I came to Nigeria at first as a teacher I wondered if many Nigerians would hate white people. I am very glad to say I found that very few Nigerians hated white people and many of the best friends I made in my life were Nigerians. My son married a Nigerian girl and my grand-daughter, now a social worker and student, wants to visit Nigeria to know where she was born.

But what one old white man Government Officer told me when I first arrived was surprising.
What he said was "Don't worry about whether Nigerians hate whites. The different tribes hate each other much more than they hate whites."

Is there evidence on this Online site that this is true?

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

Why is it when I write something controversial on a topic  everybody stops talking about it?

Abin de nake so shine "honest comment"

That is probably absolutely awful Hausa, if it is Hausa at all. You must pardon me. I left Kano twenty years ago and I never saw any written Hausa till I started contributing to Kano Online

[_Waziri_]

Mr. David,
Your observation is a very true one, the amalgamated tribes that form Nigeria hate one another more than they hate  the British. Can we then say the British really knew the time bomb they amalgamated to form a nation? Can a nation built with this much hatred within, ever have a prospect of development?

[EMTL]

Mr. David,
Your observation is a very true one, the amalgamated tribes that form Nigeria hate one another more than they hate  the British. Can we then say the British really knew the time bomb they amalgamated to form a nation? Can a nation built with this much hatred within, ever have a prospect of development?

The above only explains the hypocrisy of the British...ko?

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

I agree completely. The "colonial powers" (not only the British) drew up a map of Africa which was only to suit themselves. It made no effort to understand the tribal divisions and has been responsible for a great deal of the unrest and trouble in Africa ever since.

You won't find me trying to make excuses for this. I do not consider myself "British" anyway but the Europeans have a lot to answer for.
However Nigeria is where it is now and all men of goodwill should be engaged in debate about the best way forward which does not involve encouragement to violence, mindless violence toward persons of other tribes or persons of other religions and blaming everybody else for Nigeria's current problems.
The current constitutional framework of Nigeria as a Federation makes it fairly easy to loosen the ties between various parts as long as this is done by honest discussion and unanimous consent. A looser Federation or even Nigeria agreeing to break up onto several smaller countries might be the way forward - but only if achieved by agreement. It is not my place to give an opinion nor is such a move inevitable - China, for instance used to be over 40 separate different countries and there is no great pressure for it to break up - but if the North or parts of the North were to break away it would have to return to its traditional agriculture based economy which, in a hungry world, would be a very great benefit.

[alhaji_aminu]

Salam

I am afraid this topic is bearing off course. The subject of the topic is whether  or not the arraignment and trial of Bamaiyi, Al mustapha and co is being conducted fairly.

Now, Dave raised an important issue which ought to be a different thread entirely because of its importance. The issue of enimity or jealousy or contempt between NIgerian ethnic groups is very sad. Infact, alot of Nigeria's problems are due to this issue. The coup of Jan and July 1966 were ethnically motivated. This, as we know, gave rise to the civil war. The june 12 elections that were annuled by Gen 'i-wanna-be-president-again' Babangida was seen by many as a response by the 'feudal and hegemonic' hausa/fulani to deny others power to rule Nigeria. This, as we know, gave rise to the SNC and marginalization brouhaha championed by the South-West.

The collective result of the two instances mentioned above has done alot in stunting Nigeria's growth. Some might even argue that had the coup of Jan 66 hadn't occured, Nigeria would in league, economically, with Malaysia and South Korea.  I don't know if that is true but it is hardly suprising to know that Nigeria's experienced rapid growth during the first republic.

I wish  there is an instant solution to this problem. But even if this cannot be found, we can take solace in knowing that other multi ethnic nations with similar problems have done something to reduce the problem to bare minimum. In Malaysia for instance, one party democracy, heavy literacy campaigns and a semi-open market economy has transformed the nation from crisis ridden country (btw chinese, malay and indians) to a relatively calm and wealthy nation.

Nigeria could learn a lot form malaysia. If  Nigerians will come together as patriots, electing the best candidates and eradicate corruption, only God would know how much we can achieve with our human and natural resources.

I hope this happens one day soon...... I hope.....

[_Waziri_]

That was great Mr. David. There are other multi ethnic political units like China or Malaysia but in such cases like Malaysia, you will find that it is only one cultural block is ruling, that is the Malays. They fashion the national and international policies of the country in their own sentiment and worldview. All other diffferent tribes and religions codoned in the geography ageed that the country is a Muslim country and nothing more.

But in Nigeria it is not the same there are different cultural groups who all think must be allowed to rule and fashion out Nigeria's policies. I agree with you that a loose federation which will inevitably lead to the break up of the Nation will be better. What I want too is for us to sit down and agree on it with less damage incurred for I believe if we do not do it, it will certainly do itself some time in the future and that will cost everybody alot.