rock band

[Dan-Sokoto]

Fulanicious, please note the popular adage that, "there is no hope for a satisfied man or woman". In effect, a human being should always strive to improve on what he has. And for our (hausa) musical field, we simply need to improve within the permissible parameters of our religion, ethic, culture, upbringing etc etc. We know those permissible parameters without me going into them. Abdallah highlighted some notorious hausa musicians and their songs (e.g. Barmini mai Choge) that we should never encourage.

I am equally surprised to hear that, you fulanicious does not even listen to hausa or fulani songs because either you don't understand the lyrics or you don't have them. Then where is the patriotism? For all the periods i have been out of Nigeria, even in Lagos during my sojourn, i never ran short of hausa music of varying dimensions. As a matter of fact, i am currently in league with a very loyal hausafulani friend with whom we own the internet domain name hausafulani.com where we intend to promote our people and culture, and definately you will be availed with all sorts of hausa and fulani songs inclusive those by Shehu Usman Dan Fodio, Nana Asmau Fodio and my great grand father Abdullahi Ibn Fodio (Abdullahi Na Gwandu).

However, i also listen to and like music of all cultures, western, eastern, southern, name them all, believe me, i like them. May be it is my extensive experience with a world wide array of music (which you don't have) that makes me and my types critical of our hausa music which is in dire need of transformation and moving forward.

Let me share some thoughts with you Fulanicious. Do you know th contribution of Fulani culture to western hip hop culture? I hope you do. Otherwise relax and read:

a. The idea of men plating their hair existed with the fulani people long before any other identified grouping. This culture is what is now the in-thing here in the west.

b. Rap music long existed with the fulani (waka da kirari) and this is what is now in vogue in the western world.

c. Fulani mode of dressing, long trouser that is just by the anke is now popular in the west as examplified by Michael Jackson and others.

d. The culture of strapping a radio and moving about with it full blast about town has for time immemorial been a fulani culture. This is also now the vogue in the west.

I just gave you some tips of a research that is currently on about the contribution of the fulani culture to some current cultural trends in the western world. I hope to share with this forum the details of the research when it is completed.

In one of Dan Kwairo's song which he did for Alhaji Shehu Shagari, he said "Al-jannah mai masoya da yawa, wallahi kowa ya na son na kwarai". Simply put, what is good is always liked by everybody. So with music.

Finally, let me correct some insinuations you made about my citing of Sunny Ade and Lagbaja. If you note after their names i put etc etc. That means, my list was not exhaustive but also includes all other shades of music be it western, indian etc. It really pains me how we cannot improve on our own so we can pace.

Wassalaam, Na ku One and Only Dan-Sokoto alias Allura da Zare.

[Fulanizzle]

Salam D.Sokoto...brotha, i do know the contribution of Fulani culture to western hip hop culture...i brag bout it 24/7 to all my friends here.... ?Belive me, if i were in nija, i would have shelves upon shelves of fulani Music n thats for sizzle ?;D ?
. Already a friend is sending me some fulfulde music from Guinea...
That is the biggest disadvantage of not living in ur home land.....u get deprived of ur own culture ....since ?97% of people u mingle with dont share the same cultural background.

whatever man, atleast u dont see me walking around and trying to change the music ?::) ::) ::) ?

salam bro...n take care

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Mr.Abdullah............ ?open ur eyes a bit more and read my previous post again.. did i mention anythiNG specifically bout 2-pac????? i was talking ?generally about black/African music....
Gansta rap aint xactly my thing... Although in most of his songs, he talks sense.....talking bout injustice, discriminations etc.....
Why didnt u call out a rapper's name like Will Smith...a rapper that never curses...who i adore so much for his good examples.... 8) 8) 8)

U talking of Music History...which i know bout all too well....RUN DMC even collaborated wit Aerosmith....yes I know ?

yes ROCK originated from blacks...even my baby sister is aware of this...but whether u like it or not AT THIS VERY MOMENT it is not considered black music anymore.....85% of the world population will tell u this.....

Plus I rather go for ?2-Pac instead of ?any long pony-tailed hair, lipstick wearing, tight jeans wearing metal head!!!!!! ? ;)

Plusss due to living in the wierd corners of the world where fulani music aint available....I dont have any. I won't lie to u, i didnt know much bout my culture b4, but as i am growing older i am researching and trying to learn more bout my culture! plus ?my fulani music cds r on their way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Atleast i am trying to grab more of my culture and not running away from it or thinking somethin bout my culture is out- dated!!!

Look my oreo brotha....smell reality....hausa rock just doesnt seem right... its just like trying to mix water and oil.... i talked to about 15 people about this hausa rock...they all gave me this blank facial expression :-/...

plus ?i told u previously I aint mentioning nada bout religeon in this whole thing!!!


whatever man..hausa rock ...oooh bwoy ?...whats next??? Hausa Opera ???? ??? ???

whatever man, ur life, ur experiment....ur music...good luck

u seem to take things too seriously and personal.....
i didnt come here to ?beef wit nyone ::)

[Dan-Sokoto]

Assalaam Alaikum! Let me be sure we all know where we are coming from in order to postulate where we are going.

Firstly, my understanding is that, we all (Fulanicious, Abdallah, myself and all others) agree that, our local songs either hausa or fulani be sang in those languages? Correct.

But the point of divergence is that, while Abdallah and Dan-Sokoto strongly advocate the transformation and introduction of more modern instruments into such performances, Fulanicious and those who support her say NEY, we all stick to what we have inherited from our fore-fathers.

Ladies and Gentlemen, am i correct in my summary of our long standing discussion? If i am, thanks be to God mai komai mai komi.

For Fulanicious, i truly appreciate your dilemma of being far and away from home and will gladly offer my contribution of both hausa and fulfulde cds/cassettes to be forwarded to you through the administrator of kanoonline, while wishing you happy and successful listening. You have been a gallant contributor and i thank you for your insight which i greatly learnt from even though we disagree with each other. When next you are in Naija, we the miyatti allah of sokoto and gwandu gladly invite you to come and watch a typical fulani festival of sharo, and you will see our fulani combatants using most modern public address system to make their kirari laud and clear while the fluitters will also be blowing modern fluits ala Kenny G insha allah.

Thank you very much all.

For the Administrator Kanonline, grateful you please let me have  your forwarding address to which i can fulfill my promise of sending hausa and fulfulde cds/cassettes for fulanicious.

Wassalaam Jama'atur Musulmina.

Dan-Sokoto

[Anonymous]

???
:'(
:-/
what happened to tha core issue ?
who wants to be in a rock band?
do u mean am gonna be a solo guy ?
no way man
ali hamza

[Fulanizzle]

 
Appreciated D.Sokoto...

LOL @  Ali Hamza...incase u need a vocalist I will be available  ;D ;D ;D .........for a rock song, singing is quite simple, all i have to make sure is that I sing with a bad sore throat  8)  

On a serious note, good luck man! :) :) :) 8) 8) 8)

peace..........

[Anonymous]

Sigh. And I thought this thing is going to whittle away. Well here we go again.

Let us get one thing right. The issue here is not whether it is right or wrong to like any genre of music or transmutate one genre into another. But whether anyone has a right to a CHOICE. I say I have a right to a choice of any music I like. Fulanicious says no, I don't have that right. That being a Black, Male, Muslim, Hausa, I must only, and only listen and appreciate Hausa Music. Fulanicious suggests that I am a freak for having a diverse and eclectic musical tastes. I suggest she is the looser because she has a narrow and restricted view of existence. But then there maybe hope for her, because soon she will grow up.

And as Dan-Sakkwato suggested, she lacks the patriotism she sprouts about. Perhaps it is cool to shout it out, but use convenient excuses to underplay it. Let me illustrate.

I once lived in Britain for six years. I can take you all those years to stores that sell Hausa music along Tottenham Court Road and Brixton. Similarly, I have lived in Berkely, California for a year. There are many record stores in the Bay Area that sell African and Hausa music. Living outside your homeland does not mean living outside your culture or that you are denied the right to practice your culture. If you go to Southall in London, you would swear that you were in Delhi because of the way the Indian community created its world. And what about the series of Chinatowns all over the world? You can create Hausatown if you want. All it requires is the will and not freebie shipments of CDs and tapes from "motherlan'"

So don't tell me you "can't get it because it ain't avaible here, but hey, hey, I love it anyhows, and must shove it down everybody's throat". You don't need to wait for a friend from Guinea or anywhere to send you CDs on Hausa, Fulfulde/Peul music. It is available right there on your doorsteps. You just don't want to look for it because you have no idea what it is to begin with.

Let us get another thing straight. No one is RUNNING AWAY from Hausa music. We are talking about making it more accessible to larger audience. And I have said this before in my previous posting, there are Hausa/Peul musicians who did combine more instruments in their music and still it came out right. Saadou's BORI has a track called HADIZA which is a brilliant lyrical combination of Hausa and Peul lyrics. Most of Ali Farka Toure's lyrics are peul; as are those of Oumou Sangare, Ina Baba Couly, Aichata Sidibe and Adama Yolomba. These are musicians that are well known, not only internationally, but in their homelands. In Nigeria, even non-Hausa have been using the Hausa language to create rock music. Zaki, a Tiv man has released his cassette with a fantastic track called YAN'UWAR KU BAR RAINA MATA. Funmi Adams, a Yoruba, has done a similar job with KOKI INA GIZON YAKE? The boundaries are shifting, the message remains the same.

And if you really want to be geneological, then a lot of the influences on Hausa music is not even Hausa. The only thing Hausa about it is the songs and the lyrics. Period. Most of the instruments were borrowed from other cultures. Fulanicious is suggesting it is wrong to borrow. And I say it is impossible because we have always been living in a globalized world.

Hausa opera? But we are still battling the hordes over Hausa rock music - so let us not complicate their lives by introducing Hausa Opera.

But come to think of it, why not? First, define what you mean by Opera - because it is clear people often come to these discussions ignorant of base meanings of concepts. But whatever your definition (and I have mine ready to share), then I argue Hausa Opera music EXISTS already. Do you know Muhammad Dahiru Daura? He is a blind "maroki" who sings (without any instrument, except his voice) in an operatic style about certain themes. These included BAYANIN NAIRA, BAYANIN WILLI, IDI WANZAMI (NA TASHAR GAGAWA), DIREBA MAKAHO. You remember him? Well his style of singing is DEFINITELY operatic due to its dramtic elements. No necessarily Pavorotti or Wagner. But still opera - following my definition of opera. And it is HAUSA! I have posted some of these at www.dandali.com and more are on the way.

And yes, Fulanicious, I take things very very seriously. See, I am serious person where my views are concerned. Maybe it is because I am an ageing hippy, and I have seen it all. But hey, c'est la vie. Each to his own temperament. And yes, I do understand you don't want to pick a beef with anyone. Neither am I. But you are sounding like a racist (even if you are not), and I don't like racism in any form.

Ali, back to the core issue. If you ever form that Hausa rock band, I would play the electric guitar, my favorite instrument. Yea, let's rock!Idris and the Ants, based in Kaduna, released a Hausa rock album called JIGIDA TA TSINKE sometimes in 1970s. Rock, on, man, rock on!!

Abdalla (the ageing hippy who still loves Motorhead, Twisted Sister, and Beethoven's Sympony no 9, Ode to Joy)

BTW, I am thinking of opening a Yahoo! group on Kade-kaden Hausa. I already own three such groups: Hausa da Hausawa,  Littattafan Hausa, and Finafinan Hausa, the last of which is extremely popular. What do others on this board think? Particularly Ali Hamza, who gave me the idea?

[Blaqueen]

adballa... u ever heard of summary????  :-/ and oh boi.. u need enblackment  :P

hamza..... no no no no rock!!!!!!!! HIP HOP HIP HOP HIP HOP~!

lol@ fulanicious.. rock music truly has no talent... at least it stopped havin' one since james brown stopped singin' it...

[Ihsan]

Assalaam Alaikum,

Hmmm..now Ali, look what u have done(lol).

Abdalla...why bazan ce Subhanallah ba? I mean I don't see any reason dan MUSLIM shud waste his/her time on something that will not be beneficial to him in the hereafter and of all things music ma????? What is it we all want as muslims??? muna son mu bauta wa Allah kamar yadda yace muyi saboda mu samu lahirar mu da kyau. Yeah, I know we all have our weaknesses, but still instead or suggesting something good why suggest a rock band????

ok ok, hear this...who wants to start a da'awa group? ;D not even to go from house to house, on the Internet ma ya isa.

May Allah guide us onto the right path and may He make us see the light of Islam. Ameen

Ma'3ssalaamah

[Anonymous]

Are we getting religious now? Either we do music or we don't. But don't tell me music is haram in Islam. It is a contentious issue. During the time of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) there was music and musicians, as fully detailed in Surat Al-Shu'ara, which itself is poetically structured. When the Prophet migrated from Makka to Madina, he was welcomed by musicians.

Da'awah group? Why not. And on the internet? Masha Allah. Go to this link and see what has been done in this regard:

http://www.kanoonline.com/publications/islam_and_the_internet.htm

This was reposted by the Anglican Church at:

http://morgue.anglicansonline.org/020210/new_this_week.html

Try also
http://www.kanoonline.com/publications/suralikeit_phenomenon_on_the_int.htm

Now, my dear Ihsan, we are anxiously awaiting your contributions to Islam on the internet, especially on the website you have created on Islam, and the hundreds of articles you must have written, or about to write, on Islam and the internet. I am sure it will benefit the Muslim world.

And yo, Fyne Dyme Queen. I am a teacher. So I don't know the meaning of the word SUMMARY. They never teach us the meaning of that word in school. They say when you teach, you teach so that people know. That's why I talk alot. And I thought James Brown is still alive and kicking and that he is a "soul brother", to use his expression, not a "rock brother"


Abdalla (the ageing rocker who loves Motorhead, and, oh, you know that bit already, huh?)

[Fulanizzle]

 
Oh Lord of mercy here goes another Essay  :D


Abdullah,

Fulanicious is the looser is she????????? Well dont know bout chu, but i dropped the winner-looser thing since when i was in like what???? second grade  :D

Please get this right...i never said i am trying to stop u from what u wanna do.....i aint chainin u at all ..nOpE :)
Infact if u read my last posting well i did mention "GoOd LuCk", didnt I?  So why r u saying that i am trying to stop u?????  Who am I to do so?????????

This Forum  is where people give out their ideas, share their ideas, contribute their ideas....either people support it, or don't or learn from it.....And I wasnt stopping ur idea, just speaking my mind out but NOT STOPPING U.... i cant stop u from what u want, i believe people have the rights to do what they want...(Allah gave us the free will, u know)...

You also said I could have asked for fulani tapes in US or London.....News flash, never lived there, those r just my vacation points...if again, u were reading my posts well...I said I lived in the wierd corners of the world....in other words where NO FULANI TAPES R TO BE FOUND :o :o :o  MY POINT EXACTLY!!!

Brother, i lived in 6 different countries and been to over 25 countries..been exposed to countless traditions, cultures etc....  So "Narrow Minded" is the LAST THING  u can ever call me.... :D.......

Just to let u know...RnB/Soul  is my First Love in Music...Read my posts again, I never said "Hausa peeps listen to ONLY hausa music and yall  Fulani Brothers, listen to only Fulfulde Music.."  :o for some funny reason u saw it like that...

All I am sayin that I dont agree with u trying to evolute our own traditional music...Rock is an entirely different kind of music, trying to introduce that kind of music to hausa is just somethin else....And I didnt like the way u thought our Music is backwards....and that is why i talked about "Pride" in my earlier postings.....

Do whatever u wanna, but i promsie u, alot more than half of hausa population will not embrace ur idea. ReAlItY ChEcK PoInT!
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'Amora Ihsan, as alwayz u r 199% right...and ur idea is just sizzlin' , I am allllllllllll  for it .......take care gurl
;)

May Allah Always guide us the right way:) Ameeen  :)

Salamu Alaikum

[Blaqueen]

well...... um...... james brown had a lil rock in his style...

kai... juss dont start any yeye rock music....and are u talkin' bout heavy metal....
sweetie...incase u havent noticed... rock music is noo longer in vouge....

try HIP HOP...RnB...Soul!!!... have our own version of gospel music....

ali....wheytin u say now?

[Dan-Sokoto]

Assalaam Alaikum Jama'atur Musulimina!

Kai kanawa ku na burge ni, kuma ku na ban shawa da mamaki! Where have i been all these years when you people have been enjoying yourselves on kanoonline?

At this juncture, i want to call for truce on this rock band topic which has been over flogged. Whatever, we wanted to achieve in this topic, to me has been achieved. So why don't we move forward? Fulanicious, Ihsan, Queen, Ali and the indefatigable Abdalla, and other memebers too numerous to mention, ALL of you well done. Me, Dan-Sokoto doff my hat for all of you, and call for a time out. Allah ya ba da lada.

Administrator kanoonline, thank you very much for the opportunity and i call upon you to please close this over flogged topic of hausa rock band, please and please. We have many other important issues begging for our attention. And for those other issues in the line for discussion - Queen, Ihsan what are they please?

Wassalaam

[Anonymous]

Dan Sakkwato

Your admonition noted. I have signed off. As you noted, it is beginning to get puerile, insulting and personal.

Incidentally, I am ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THIS BOARD.

The topic is ENDED on this board. At least from me. It continues on Kade-Kaden Hausa forum on Yahoo! groups. The CONCEPT of Hausa Rock music, also continues elsewhere.

Good luck to all of you in future.

Abdalla (with the usual signature)

[Ihsan]

Insulting and personal...hmmm...I see nothing of such.

Brother Abdalla...no, I have not written/developed such things but hopefully insha Allah I'm on my way. But come to think of it...I'd rather do all those things you mentioned than start a hausa "rock band"!!! Which I'm planning on doing idan Allah ya yarda. Better to teach our youngsters about our RELIGION than music which will not benefit them.

I don't mean to be rude or anything (cause ka girme ni) but to me it looks like you are the one who is doing the insult and getting personal...this thing all started as a joke :-/ (well, atleast to me) but now it has getting out of hand. Wallah I have nothing against music whatsoever, but as far as I am concerned, bazan sa kudi na sayi cassette/cd or whatever na kida ba...kowa da ra'ayinshi.  If you want to start a rock band,FINE!!! I don't care...amma ai this board is opened to kowa domin mutum ya fadi what his/her opinion is akan topic of discussion...so I'm voicing out my opinion and nothing more. Anyway Allah ya kyauta.....my lips are  :-X on this matter.

Shukran ya Ukhty...at least someone understands where I'm coming from. ;D

Sorry all...I really had to reply to that...if not, da bazan yi magana ba.

Ma'3ssalaamah.

[Fulanizzle]

 
SALAMU ALAIKUM..... WALLAH NIMA AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS A BIG TIME JOKE..... BUT THEN STARTED GETTING PERSONAL....

LORD OF MERCY,,, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK OUR MINDS OUT ..AND FOR JUST SPEAKING THE MIND OUT, SOMEONE GETS CALLED "NARROW MINDED" FOR WHAT??? WE ALL HAVE OUR DIFFERENT VIEWS  AND CANT MAKE EVERYONE SEE THE WAY WE WANT,,,AND THAT AINT NO REASON TO GET PERSONAL....

ALLAH YA KIYAYE KAWAI!!!!

AIIGHT MOVING ON....NEXT TOPIC....


SUP IHSAN!!!!!!!!WARRAP DYME....BIG UPS KANOONLINE :D