Game: Ask the Person Below You

[HUSNAA]

Fateez that was an excellent piece on the subject. Now its contributions like these that make the forum worth visiting and a well of infortainment. Not the dead one liners delivered most times which are inane and excruciatingly tiresome. Having said that, I think I will disagree with you MYSELF. I believe our societies need to educate our kids more than the western societies since they have support bases put in place for kids who stray so to speak. Bayan haka, the approach they take is completely different from what our approach to the teaching should be. They are inclined towards consent and consensus, that is why they preach practicing safe sex and so on. For the westerners, there is no religious aspect to it. We on the other hand, must educate towards avoidance of it before marriage and what it should entail within marriage. We must include religious teachings into it so that it becomes all the more weightier in the understanding of the children.  All we have to do is look at how the Qur'an approaches the subject. We know that as far as religion is concerned, one shouldnt be shy or embarrassed in discussing matters pertaining to sex in so far as they are for education and so on. If we look at the Qur'an there are places where an analogy to a field for sowing was made concerning the marital relations between men and women, and it was said approach yr fields as you wish or like (except of course in the ways forbidden by Allah SWT). Times when it is halal to approach a wife and when it is haram to approach her, the purity of the woman etc. Then in another chapter Nur, there is the punishment to be meted out to those who engage in extramarital relations and also in another sura which says famously la takuraba zzina.. do not approach it which shows the seriousness of it. We also have instances where the prophet teaches the sahabi about birth control and measures of self control.
So we can see a juxtaposition here; permission and  censoring  at the same time. The permission is granted to the married, the censorship is enforced on the non married. That teaches us straight away about who should and should not engage in cohabitation. That is the difference we have to inculcate in our kids when talking to them about sex; when and when not to indulge in it. Another thing that strikes me is that some lucky kids at an early age become haafiz. Now in an environment where they can actually understand Arabic and not just learn by rote, then the children already become aware of the meaning of such ayas as la takurabuzzina, or the lashings to be meted out to those who engage in extramarital affairs. It might take a bit more explanation for them to understand what is meant by the rest, but the more perceptive ones catch on anyway without much outside elucidation.
I remember that when I was at primary sch, we were taught everything we needed to know about menstruation at our islamic lecture hours and that was even before we knew what exactly that entailed since we never saw anyone in that condition. But you know as kids everything is gospel truth and u accept it and that is what we did. Much later everyone found out ofcourse, but the previous knowledge prepared us for what to do under the circumstances.

We must teach them as openly as possible but we must also show them what is right about it and what is wrong about it and that is one of the ways in which children will behave responsibly towards it.

GGNK, if a kid asked me what a lesbian and a gay were, I'd tell them the truth. That these are ppl disobeying God's law of what is natural and what is unnatural. I cant understand why you are ambivalent about this. The Qur'an talks about it when ever Prophet Lot's ppl are mentioned. So why should we avoid explaining it to children? Isnt it better that they know before hand before some paedophile gets his hands on them?

[MySeLf]

Now its contributions like these that make the forum worth visiting and a well of infortainment. Not the dead one liners delivered most times which are inane and excruciatingly tiresome. Having said that,

You sound just like Simon cowell of x factor Husnaa, lol.... Inane, excruciating, tiresome, boringgg posts!.. hehehe lol

I think I will disagree with you MYSELF. I believe our societies need to educate our kids more than the western societies since they have support bases put in place for kids who stray so to speak. Bayan haka, the approach they take is completely different from what our approach to the teaching should be. They are inclined towards consent and consensus, that is why they preach practicing safe sex and so on. For the westerners, there is no religious aspect to it. We on the other hand, must educate towards avoidance of it before marriage and what it should entail within marriage. We must include religious teachings into it so that it becomes all the more weightier in the understanding of the children.  All we have to do is look at how the Qur'an approaches the subject. We know that as far as religion is concerned, one shouldnt be shy or embarrassed in discussing matters pertaining to sex in so far as they are for education and so on. If we look at the Qur'an there are places where an analogy to a field for sowing was made concerning the marital relations between men and women, and it was said approach yr fields as you wish or like (except of course in the ways forbidden by Allah SWT). Times when it is halal to approach a wife and when it is haram to approach her, the purity of the woman etc. Then in another chapter Nur, there is the punishment to be meted out to those who engage in extramarital relations and also in another sura which says famously la takuraba zzina.. do not approach it which shows the seriousness of it. We also have instances where the prophet teaches the sahabi about birth control and measures of self control.
So we can see a juxtaposition here; permission and  censoring  at the same time. The permission is granted to the married, the censorship is enforced on the non married. That teaches us straight away about who should and should not engage in cohabitation. That is the difference we have to inculcate in our kids when talking to them about sex; when and when not to indulge in it. Another thing that strikes me is that some lucky kids at an early age become haafiz. Now in an environment where they can actually understand Arabic and not just learn by rote, then the children already become aware of the meaning of such ayas as la takurabuzzina, or the lashings to be meted out to those who engage in extramarital affairs. It might take a bit more explanation for them to understand what is meant by the rest, but the more perceptive ones catch on anyway without much outside elucidation.
I remember that when I was at primary sch, we were taught everything we needed to know about menstruation at our islamic lecture hours and that was even before we knew what exactly that entailed since we never saw anyone in that condition. But you know as kids everything is gospel truth and u accept it and that is what we did. Much later everyone found out ofcourse, but the previous knowledge prepared us for what to do under the circumstances.

We must teach them as openly as possible but we must also show them what is right about it and what is wrong about it and that is one of the ways in which children will behave responsibly towards it.

Well I can't argue with religious aspect of view, Therefore I concur if the teaching will be according to religious guides..
But I still maintain my stand against the western way of teaching.... Few month back there was this documentary on british Tv Channel 4 aiming to educate the young nation about sex, and is really disgusting... Everything is in detail how should or shouldn't be done.. is awful!

[HUSNAA]

I guess that is where we should differ, but at the same time,  kids get to know everything eventually... with or without society's blessing. So better to show "everything" in a dispassionate educative way so that kids realize that this is not porn rather than have them see it somewhere where a sense of lewdness is imparted to the subject matter accompanied by a lot of sniggering.

[Muhsin]

Well, as said one of our forumites on other board; my ball told me there would be a fierce debate ahead of DB's question on sex education.Very interseting, educative and informative.I wish I had taken part but have little to say as a novice. LOL ;D

To start; sincerely speaking that should be taught. Why? I don't think you can really hide things from children nowadays. Therefore if they were taught of its danger on base religious and moral ground, then fine and good. Wallahi you will surely be left dumbfounded when you overhear some children saying 'things' these days.

The case on point is that; how can that be taught properly?

We are not to take the kind of methodologies deploy by Western countries, really, as put Myself. They do it, from the little I know, karara (without hiding a bit info.). And more demoralizing give chance for student to have a practice. That absolutely is obnoxious. But if we could handle it a hankalce yes I support it a hundred percent.

BTW, Fateez, your comment is very interesting and quite funny. Enjoyed it as I was reading a page of a novel.

Next question:
How can that be taught properly? Although I read Husnaa has said a bit on that. Need more pls.

[Dan-Borno]

How can that be taught properly?

wether western or islamic, sex education is sex education,
any attempt at discrimination will amount to giving out
half baked knowledge about the whole concept.

a whole curiculum should be designed for the secondary
school begining from JSS 1 and as they progress more of
it are being explored to them according to their age and
maturity of absorption.

[Dan-Borno]

Do you think Government should replace NYSC with a
Skill Acquisition Centres?

[gogannaka]

NO NYSC shouldn't be replaced.
Skills acquisition centres are already in existence so they can survive alongside NYSC.


Next question:
Where do you think is the best place to visit in Nigeria for a vacation?

[Dan-Borno]

Ajegunle, you will never forget your holiday.

[gogannaka]

Ajegunle, you will never forget your holiday.

DB i no be oyingbo.
Na oyingbo dey go see ghetto cos they are not used to it.

I have heard so much about ajegunle being a ghetto but when i went there i found it isn't as bad as it is portrayed.
At least the place i went.Although a resident there confirmed to me that there are very nasty places.


I would settle for Malta as a holiday destination.
Anyone got idea how to get there and the procedure?

[HUSNAA]

Hmm Malta. Isnt it still a british province? I think u can get there from Tunisia. Its not very far from Tunisia and I think you can go on a cruise ship if u so wish. That would really be fantastic. 

[bakangizo]

I would settle for Malta as a holiday destination.
Anyone got idea how to get there and the procedure?

Iyye! Lallai mutumin, kana shanawa. Har ma vacation zaka Malta?

[gogannaka]

I would settle for Malta as a holiday destination.
Anyone got idea how to get there and the procedure?

Iyye! Lallai mutumin, kana shanawa. Har ma vacation zaka Malta?

BKGZ man gat to have dreams,positive dreams.
Kaji wasu ai ajegunle suke marmarin zuwa for their own vacation.
And you know,dreams can come true.

Kai kuma where is your dream vacation destination?

[Dan-Borno]

@ GGNK - oho dai, by the time i started telling this forum
that na inside Ajegunle u dey stay zaka ce wai i be amebo
ko?

My dream vacation no be ajegunle, i want to go to Sicily  8).

next question:

I don't understand why product meant for sell in Nigeria will
be produced from a foreign country and brand it MADE IN
NIGERIA?

[gogannaka]

LOL,tofiakwa,no be Ajegunle i dey stay  >:(

Sicily sounds like a nice idea.

Regarding your question,i believe they put the made in Nigeria label because Nigerian brands are far more qualitative than most imported products nowadays. Misali,cables,fabrics(eg uniform materials,Khaki etc),tarpaulins,ropes,etc.

I had a conversation with a staff of gongoni ltd,makers of rambo insecticide.They introduced this paper insecticide they call 'paper rambo'. You just light it with fire,blow the fire out and the smoke will kill the insects.
The guy went for an exhibition in China and coincidentally he saw that same product produced in china that is exactly the same as the one their company produces.Same name,same everything and they even put 'made in Nigeria' Kano ma to be precise.
They took the case up with the commerce ministry,i dunno how it ended.

Between the standards organisation of Nigeria,the consumer protection council and the ministry of commerce,who do you think is responsible for such things?

[HUSNAA]

Hmm............ sounds like a mystery ???