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Started by mlbash, May 27, 2006, 05:36:31 PM
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QuoteOne of the apparently outstanding members of this forum espoused Holocaust denial theories and also claimed that Israel's alleged racist and violent basis could be found in their Torah, which he supported with a most bizarre example of scriptural hermeneutics. I'd like to find those threads, for I had wished to quizz him on his research and interpretative methods.http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=511b4bc8d704b1942ea249a8707b1cea&topic=3632.15
QuoteNow about the Talmud: Firstly, I must ask: what is the direct source of your Talmud quotations? I ask this question because I have seen some these quotations years before - the Balaam references especially. When I tried to trace their sources then, I discovered that these quotes were popular and only available word-for word in ultra-racist and anti-Jewish enclaves such as neo-Nazi and white supremacist forums. As such, I hope that a credible 'Jewish authority' stands behind yor work here.
QuoteIf we accept your presentation of the Talmud as accurate, then our first logical conclusion is that the Talmud itself incites racial bias and aggression. Unless you can establish a connection between the Talmud quotations and the verses of the Deuteronomy passage, it is not sensible to extend similar conclusions to the book of Deuteronomy. Are any of your Talmud verses commentaries on the verses of the Deuteronomy passage? If so, then kindly demonstrate. Otherwise, the Deuteronomy passage should never have been brought up in the first place.This brings up a final question. If you consider the Talmud to be the premier authority in Judaism, then doesn't it make better sense to rely strictly on Talmud evidence from the start, rather than just the 'secondary' Torah?
QuoteI this thread, http://kanoonline.com/smf/index.php?topic=2459.0 , on, August 18, 2006 in particular, #6 Post, I said to Lionger:"I noticed also how you admitted of not knowing much about Talmud and Midnash. That in essence says how much you do not know about Judaism and its laws of nationalism. This is why I think you are only fit to ask question here not argue. I believe I can remain rest assured in my comfortable superiority on this subject matter. For I have perseverently laboured thru the Bible, the Qur'an and the Rabbinic Tradition which forms the bedrock of Jewish religion, for over ten years now.That is why I say from the onset that I am not debating this with you but rather writing something which I believe will prove beneficial to all.Concerning the Tanakh, or the Old Testament and its place in Jewish religion hear what a modern encyclopaedia said:"Although all forms of Judaism have been rooted in the Hebrew Bible (referred to by Jews as the Tanach, an acronym for its three sections: Torah, the Pentateuch; Nebiim, the prophetic literature; and Ketubim, the other writings), it would be an error to think of Judaism as simply the ?religion of the Old Testament.? Contemporary Judaism is ultimately derived from the rabbinic movement of the first centuries of the Christian era in Palestine and Babylonia and is therefore called rabbinic Judaism. Rabbi, in Aramaic and Hebrew, means ?my teacher.? The rabbis, Jewish sages adept in studying the Scriptures and their own traditions, maintained that God had revealed to Moses on Sinai a twofold Torah. In addition to the written Torah (Scripture), God revealed an oral Torah, faithfully transmitted by word of mouth in an unbroken chain from master to disciple, and preserved now among the rabbis themselves."Microsoft ? Encarta ? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved."
Quote from: Jack Fulcher on June 10, 2008, 07:05:24 AMYou know, this was a very interesting thread when it started, but it degenerated quickly into another forum for Mr. Waziri to show off what he learned in college once again. This is what was happening in 2003 when I was on this board before. He has primarily two agendas: Show his knowledge of scripture, and defend holocaust deniers. Quite frankly it's exhausting because his English is so confusing (at least it is to me). I kind of like it when he DOES plagiarize other writings, because at least I understand what's written there. Cheap shot, I know, but he writes pages in order to distract us from the point, and poor Lionger goes out of his way to be polite and respond to Mr. Waziri's scriptural points.
Quote from: HUSNAA on June 10, 2008, 11:25:48 AMPS Waziri, Jack's just trying to take my advice of letting loose a few punches, but its still a bit awkward somehow, but an enjoyable read nevertheless he's not over doing it, he's not underdoing it, but he still aint doing it like KING (thank God!, like most of what he wrote is tongue in cheek.......
Quote from: Jack Fulcher on June 13, 2008, 12:54:02 AMI'm sorry to use this quote, but it was so funny I couldn't resist it. I guess you're saying I shouldn't have complimented you on your writing in 2003, but, believe it or not Mr. Waziri, I was sincere. You have a lot of knowledge but have a hard time expressing it.
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