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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2009, 12:08:09 PM »
neozizo Thank you very much for your first-hand contact information regarding this group. This has provided further insight into this group. As usual people like this have great speaking and persuasive gifts and when coupled with environment that has extreme unemployment, it becomes so easy to make an impression on young people. Allah ya sauwake.

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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2009, 10:15:40 PM »
Apparently Boko Haram are back and not in the most charitable mood:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/14/boko-haram-ressurects-declares-total-jihad/

Is there still 'truth' to be found in them?

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2009, 11:52:05 AM »
Neozizo, I endorse your own thought as I did for the Husna. These people, the so called boko haram, thei main goal of their message is to restore Shari'ah government in the Muslim societies of Nigeria as well as to improve Islamic principles in their schools of Western/worldly education. They were just given this evil name (Boko Haram) by propagandist media control by the government. Any movement for the re-establishment of shari'ah of Allah is ISLAMICALLY justifiable; and therefore, must be opposed by the secularist government. This is the truth worldwide.  Let me also highlight some misconception by the people. If they say some part of boko is haram they are not destroying knowledge in general. Knowledge is Knowledge alone, and Boko is a process among many ways of seeking knowledge, and it can be correct or wrong by the purpose it was set up. So, what is the hidden objective behind the introduction of Boko in its explicit western culture? An intelligent sincere believer knows very well, this answer. Hence those who try to quote the Hadith 'Seek knowledge even to china' they are defeated. Yusuf's movement did not call to stop seeking worldly knowledge but to know the correct ways to pursue it. If Boko process of seeking knowledge were to be re-designed based on Islamic principles and Muslim perspectives then, it will be welcomed even by late yusuf. And this is exactly their real message regards Boko. But government is powerful to distort the image of any Islamic movement. Please Neozizo, explain to the people to understand fully our own opinion about this fact. I must, with deep respect, appreciate you and Husna for your broad-minded heart to understand people’s own thoughts and ideas.

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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2009, 12:24:03 PM »
Apparently Boko Haram are back and not in the most charitable mood:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/14/boko-haram-ressurects-declares-total-jihad/

Is there still 'truth' to be found in them?

I wonder how fraudulent news spread in Nigeria more than even a bush fire in winter.

Too bad for the development of the country.

Wish we'll get more serious and rational towards such volatile issues.
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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2009, 03:03:22 PM »
Mai Halin Girma, It is one thing to have your own ideas, beliefs and practices, and it is quite a different thing to go around attacking and killing other people, because they do not share your own ideas, beliefs and practices! This group does no good to its cause by attacking and killing other people that do not exactly believe the way they do.

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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2009, 09:56:21 AM »
Mai Halin Girma, It is one thing to have your own ideas, beliefs and practices, and it is quite a different thing to go around attacking and killing other people, because they do not share your own ideas, beliefs and practices! This group does no good to its cause by attacking and killing other people that do not exactly believe the way they do.

Quite right admin.

I would urge Mai Halin Girma to stop trying to justify the ideals of the Boko Haram sect. In the first place, they were not given an evil name by propagandists. They are the progenitors of the term Boko Haram  and they are  being identified by their ideology and hence the association of the sect with the name Boko Haram.  I cant see how that equates with propaganda, but I'd like to know what you'd prefer that they be called.
Secondly, like our esteemed admin, SD informed you, one cannot go about killing ppl who disagree with one's views. one will never ever gain legitimacy that way. Even if the boko haram sect is 100% correct in what it is saying (and I for one firmly disagree with everything they stand for), the majority of ppl will not sympathize with the members because they are at loggerheads with the way the Prophet SAW went about trying to change the attitudes and beliefs of the ppl of his day, and they (boko haram sect) purport to be following the ways of the prophet SAW

Thirdly, you are not convincing in yr efforts to try and explain what the boko haram stand for in terms of their beliefs and ideology. You are asking about the hidden agenda behind setting up an explicit western culture (presumably in our societies) and instead of giving the answer you sidetrack it by writing that an intelligent sincere believer knows that answer. I think you should answer the question, since all sincere intelligent believers have different mental and intellectual capacities and are not likely to arrive at the same conclusion or even agree with each other once they have arrived at their own relative conclusions.

I personally believe that the initial aim in bringing western education in our society, was  simply to make it easier to access  our vast natural resources with the least possible resistance from us. That was the West's hidden agenda, as far as I am concerned and to a certain extent it still is today in whatever form it happens to be.

Teaching about Darwin and other views which are not in sync with Islam are  incidental as they form part of a vast pool of knowledge one must know in order to have an understanding and appreciation of the physical world around us. Like I wrote elsewhere, the findings or data derived from research done by non muslim scholars of secular education are in the main correct. The conclusions drawn from these philosophical and scientific thinking and experimetation by these non muslim scholars are shaped by their beliefs. In many cases, the research itself is of the nature that doesnt contradict Islamic teachings at all, for example results of embryonic studies are corroborated by some verses of the Qur'an in Suratul Alaq and Suratul Hajj, to name a few surahs. Likewise, the concept of planetory bodies suspended in space and rotating on their axes and revolving around the sun, the concept of all life starting from water, the gaseous beginning of the universe, Einstein's theory of relativity, the constant expansion of the universe, the existence of subatomic/nucleic particles, the uniqueness of the finger print, the fact that sea water can not mix with fresh water are all phenomena one will find mentioned in the Qur'an. These are all phenomena discovered by scientists in the 20th century and non of them I believe was a muslim but they were not WRONG!!!! and they disseminated that knowledge freely and muslims who've read the Qur'an and known of these and implicitly believed in them because of their Tawheed and not becaus of  any evidence to be found previously, rejoiced at these findings and many more!

Presently,this information is only accessible through Boko. Isnt that an irony? The tragedy is that while we see this knowledge as a part of boko, it really has nothing to do with boko. It is knowledge without any taxonomic affiliation and is there to inquire into on a first come first served basis. If you get to the answer before anyone, you get to be the first to tell the world about it. It doesnt matter whether you are black, white, chrisitian muslim, Jewish buddhist animist hindi etc. It doesnt matter what your cultural values are either. The rest of the world never accepts the findings arbitrarily either. Many others in the same field of study will conduct years and years of research until finally no one can dispute with the facts initially presented and then the propounder of the theory/law is hailed as a laureate.

Despite all that, there is still no compulsion to accept or even make use of any research findings. You either adopt or neglect based on your own beliefs. If you choose to adopt then you shouldnt blame the medium of dissemination of that knowledge for failures, if the consequences of the adoption are at a tangent with your religious beliefs. And if like the boko haram guys, you cannot effect any meaningful change within the sphere of yr society, you can do what the Daral Islam guys did, form a peaceful enclave within yrselves and practice your beliefs without causing distress to yr neighbours.

If you still choose to effect a sort of change, then start by educating yrslf on every aspect of  the knowledge which you think is undesirable. Get to know it inside out; dont avoid it. At the same time get educated fully on what you consider as the right sort of knowledge. That should give you an insight into the faulty aspects of the unwanted knowledge and how they can be remedied.  This now gives you a basis for comparison and convincing ppl on what should be taught and learnt and how it should be taught and under what circumstance it should be taught. Eventually you will get to change ways and ppl in a positive way, instead of killing them and thinking that that automatically makes you a candidate for paradise simply becos you are trying to do it for the Sake of Allah.

Mai Halin Gari quoted somewhere that
If Boko process of seeking knowledge were to be re-designed based on Islamic principles and Muslim perspectives then, it will be welcomed even by late yusuf.

There  is one basic flaw to yr argument and that is that since Yusuf himself never had any formal boko education, how would he  know anything about redesigning boko to fall in line with Islamic values? He has to have experienced boko first in order to know what should be done about it. It is possible that the fact that he didnt have any formal boko education robbed him of the capacity to think of any solution other than killing in order to achieve his misguided aim. That in itself is a reason why we shouldnt summarily dismiss boko so disdainfully.



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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2009, 12:32:00 PM »
ALL-ENCOMPASSING REPLY:REMOVING MISCONCEPTIONS

I have never thought that my previous article would create so much trouble in the mind of some readers. However, those who understand me know what I mean. The problem is that some repliers make critic only to a single point of the article. I do not say I don’t like criticism; but it should be meaningful. A meaningful reply or critic is that which centers on the central points and ideas of the subject as the one Husna did. Such people linked all my ideas from one point to another and thus, they understood my article very well. What are the essential themes of my article? This is a very important point to explain. The first theme is that Yusuf’s followers deserved a fair-hearing as it was granted to Niger-Delta’s militants despite of their massive killings of government officials. Those who read the summary of this article in Daily trust (dated 4/8/2009) understood it by its title “Boko Haram Millitants deserved a Hearing”. The second theme of my article is that Muslims need to Islamize some heretical ideas and theories as embodied in Boko curricular so as to make them compatible with Islamic principles and thoughts. As such I proposed that those negative ideas as constituted in Western theories should be replaced by pure Islamic ones. Thirdly, I have expressed my attitude toward Yusuf militant’s violent act which I said I have neither eulogy nor advocacy for their violent decision. And finally, I have suggested the possible procedures to bring about mental and intellectual revolution in Muslims’ curriculum of Western education in which I cited examples of the IIIT’s movement, AMSS’s movement, ICIT’s movement and so on, all of which are international intellectual institutions working to bring about Islamization of Muslim’s quest of worldly education especially Social sciences.  So then, what is the fault of my point of view? I also opined that my perception about Yusuf’s claim that Boko is haram is not less than those negative sides as are contradictory and even opposed to Islamic principles. To my understanding they are not destroying Knowledge at all; but they are opposing the current Boko process of pursuing worldly knowledge as regards the Muslim Ummah. The whole of my article dedicated to explain this thought of mine. However, many readers misconceived me with the exception of few of them like my respected Husna. For those people who have misconceived me for mentioning that some contents of Boko curriculum should be abolished and replaced with Islamic ones or for my justification that some of its ideas are sin, they should know that I am not destroying knowledge at all as some misconceived. As Yusuf’s movement declared that Boko (some of its contents) is Haram they are not destroying knowledge in general. Knowledge is Knowledge in itself, and Boko in itself is a process among many ways of seeking knowledge, and it can be correct or wrong by the purpose it was set up. Hence those who are trying to quote the Hadith 'Seek knowledge even to china' are defeated here. Yusuf's movement did not call to stop seeking worldly knowledge but to know the correct ways to pursue it and its reliably authentic contents. If Boko process of seeking knowledge were to be re-designed based on Islamic principles and Muslim perspectives then, it will be welcomed even by the late Yusuf. And this is exactly their real message as regards Boko. But the government’s control over the media is powerful to distort the image of any Islamic movement. I am still trying to explain to the people to understand fully, my own opinion about this fact. I must, with deep respect, appreciate Husna for her broad-minded heart to understand people’s own thoughts and ideas. The reality of my attitude is that Yusuf was not right if he was responsible to initiate the attacks on security forces. But if the government forces were the instigator and initiator of the violence then, the government must be blamed. Another aspect of focus is that: is the government objective and fair in its decision to overcome the threat of Yusuf’s violence? If it was really just and objective it would apply the same decision to overcome the problems of Niger-delta militants and that of Yelwan Shendam who have been hitherto expelling and massacring our Muslim brothers in Jos. If there Justice is to be done in all sides those leaders in Niger-Delta and that of Yelwan Shendam genocide must arrested and killed under the law. Hence, the government’s abrupt military decision against Yusuf’s movement must have become suspicious if it fails to arrest above mentioned leaders. This is only my personal thought which I have the right to express under the rule of freedom of expression. What I want to know from my discussant brothers especially Danbarno, who was an indigene of Maiduguri is: what actually caused the immediate violence in Maiduguri? I have been informed that since years ago, there had been what Hausawas called ‘Takun Saka’ between Yusuf and Modu Sherif government. Please I need to know what the main cause of the previous skirmish is.

Finally, what is the hidden objective behind the introduction of Boko in its explicit western culture to the Muslim nation worldwide? Who are the inventors of Boko and modern global world order of democracy and the so called capitalist, socialist, and communist economy? For the purpose of this answer I promise to present to my beloved readers my article “The Jewish Conspiracy and the Muslim youths” in the near future. From here, I have finished with the subject of boko haram; and I have diverted to new course of discussion.

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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2009, 10:59:48 PM »
One of the reasons why the govt came down heavily on the Boko Haram sect is that they broke out like rashes all over northern Nigeria, unlike the Niger delta and the yelwan shendam conflicts which are contained within certain radii of the country. That alarmed the govt and sent it into overdrive. If the boko haram had not been swiftly dealt with, the havoc they could have wreaked would have been far greater than the niger delta and yelwan shendam's in terms of  a death toll.

PS, do not be upset for generating a heated debate. You should be proud. It is  good to bring contentious issues for which ppl feel strongly about. It keeps the board alive and kicking otherwise ppl lose interest over boring subjects.
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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2009, 09:47:16 AM »
Muhsin, Goga, Husna, Myself, etc....kwana biyu!

This issue under discussion, to me really, it is not worth it. Those people, boka haram, could not be placed any where in the scheme of life. They were just a bunch of tiny, blue black blood sucking insects! Kwanansu ne ya kare, ya sa suka fito da wannan haukar, rudu da dabbanci. I believe we shouldn't go for each other's throat on them or their crooked ideology. However, we can continue the discussion on the path of educating our readers on the ways to avoid thinking and acting in the boko haram way.

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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2009, 11:59:46 AM »
Assalamu alaikum,

Welcome back, Waduz.

I kinda feel I will defy your words--saying that Boko Haram sect is not worthy of such a discussion. To me it is, even very much, for people are in great need to be  informed, enlightened and educated on who really are those folks. Are they how medias both national and international portray them as or something else? Are their actions justifiable, as they claim, or not? Did they FG do fair, just and right action by annihilating them, killing the sect's leader summarily or not? etc, etc, etc. More so, there is no northern based internet discussion forum (that I at least know) other than this one. Then why should we stay mute while forums like nairaland, NVS and the likes are busy biasedly, harshly, and mockingly discussing the same issue? And much more myriad reasons.


Any way, to the thread: my friend Salim, I very well understand what you are trying to say. Actually hadn't done so until now after you elaborated it more. You certainly presented a cogent argument/point. And I once came across that IIIT's meeting proceedings. Dr. Salisu Shehu, Dr. Aliyu Dauda, Dr. Galadanchi and others have done a praiseworthy work there. I recommend the book to all KanoOnliners, especially Husnaa, who I see have much interest on the issue here.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us to the right path, amen.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2009, 05:08:57 PM »
MUHSIN, I am glad that you have now got the opinion right. I have made a slight mistake by assuming that Yusuf’s idea that Boko is Haram’ can be equated with our noble intellectual movement of Islamization of book curriculum. Even though I have now give up that assumption, I still believe that the issue of Boko curriculum I relation to Muslim Ummah is matter that demand a great correction and review from Islamic perspectives. I finally appreciate all the members who share with my thought. I am now greatly indebted to your thoughts vices versa. My earlier argument to justify Boko Haram’s idea is just a matter of testing my ability in intellectual argument being my first time to join this board of discussion. Let us keep on. Many more are to come with hot and cold. I if you are to confront withmy ideas; I am also ready to take the bull by the horn. I promise to never flip my lid; an I hope you in the same way. My eulogy once again, to Husna and Neozizu. And wait for my next article "The Jewish Conspiracy and The Muslim Youths".

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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2009, 04:02:53 PM »
Salam, after a very..very...very...long time.

I heard wa'azin Malam Jafar where he finished Boko Haram.
It was recorded not long before he was killed and kano taliban uprising.
I 101% believe that he was killed by them.
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Re: Boko Haram: They are Telling the Truth But...........
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2009, 03:25:35 PM »
Allah zai bayyana real killers din Malam da yardarSa.
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