Response to Gaius

[sheriff 05]

Gaius, while I have to say, I object to certain words you use, I do understand your position and without a shred of doubt I am wholeheartedly in total agreement with you in this regard.

Let me clarify that I am an active Muslim from the North East, but Islam teaches me justice and fairness and therefore, I am an unequivocal advocate of justice and the rule of law and in both issues with regards this issue you are right and we have again been found wanting.

Let me explain something, under Islamic Law, if indeed the cartoon was drawn what should be done is the “THE PERSON(S) WHO DREW IT SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS”, whatever judgement is passed, it is for the person(s) convicted, the fate should not be shared by all and sundry just because they belong to the same religion. And this is even when the cartoon has been seen. In this case, it wasn’t even seen. Haba Muslims!!

The innocent people killed in the street what did they do? The kids attacked in the school what did they do? And yet when America arrests an innocent Muslim man accusing him of terrorism we cry foul? Why? If we attack all Christians for the supposed crime of another, isn’t America right to attack us all for the crime of one?  Subhanallah!!

This lawlessness must stop and cannot be condoned anymore. All the muslim students who partook and instigated this should be punished and the government must come out to take a stance on this issue once and for all. For how long will innocent people continue to die because we are afraid to confront the problems of the North?. We do have problems, serious ones and I worry very much for the future.

Another thing is, even during the times of war, IT IS ABSOLUTELY  FORBIDDEN TO BURN DOWN CHURCHES OR PLACES OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, EXCEPT WHERE THEY ARE USED AS WEAPONS CACHES, etc.

This was neither a war, nor a quarrel, just a demonstration of anger and look at what we do. We didn’t even stop there, we proceeded to loot and destroy their property. What manner of Islam is this, I can’t help but wonder.

These people should be arrested and persecuted, the fact that they are Muslim northerners like myself will not stop me from stating the obvious truth here, We are wrong, we need to stop this nonsense and we need to pay all appropriate compensation to those we have wronged if not…. Then God will surely and I dare say, quite rightly punish us, and compensate those who are wronged.

Enough is enough, our society is getting more and more rotten by the day, we cant sit back and do nothing forever. This is too much.

Although this may mean nothing, as the deed has been done, Gaius, please accept my most sincere apologies on behalf of sincere Muslim Northerners and in redefining our future, we will try to make things right as best we can.

While we do not completely say the other communities living in the North are blame free, in this regard, we are blame worthy and we accept.

Courage is not to stand tall always and refuse to bend, but to accept your faults and make yourself a better person, and emerging stronger. That is what as a community we seem to have conveniently forgotten.

Is there a solution to such unguarded action? Yes there is. Though without a doubt it is a long and difficult one, we have to solve our problems. We have to confront and accept the fact that we are wrong and confront our derelict institutions that have allowed such unguarded actions to take place. We the youth of the North have to stand, rescue, guide and defend our society, and take it to where it needs to be.

A simple thought, what if the cartoon was drawn by a “SOOTHSAYER”? who would we attack? What of the innocent Christians killed?... May God guide us..

Gaius, please watch your words, so our brothers don’t take offence and so we can conveniently discuss these issues, also, so Admin doesn’t block us out.

[Abdalla]

I am only replying administratively, as I am sure Waziri, Dan Barno, Husna and a whole bunch of others, used to scrappin', are in a better position to respond to Gaius. But I would rather they don't. Ignoring him is the best way to dialogue with him; and if I recall, this was the stand advocated when he sneaked in months back with more vituperative drivel targeted at Muslims.

Gaius is the same person as Ate or whatever he used to call himself. His posting is targeted at deliberately provoking the members of this forum. We block him not because we don't agree with his opinions, but because of his aggressive approach to race and religious relations. He has been consistently told that the actions of one or two groups of Muslims cannot represent the views of all Muslims; but because of his blinkered hatred for Muslims, Islam and particularly northern Nigerians, he kept coming on too strong. We did not create this forum to preach hate -- if you want to do that, go to any "Naija" forum on the Web.

Gaius Ate's  brand of hatred is well known to Muslims. If dialogue cannot solve problems of tolerance and community co-existence, vituperative rantings will not.

Abdalla

[admin]

Abdalla ,

Thanks and I agree with you 100% that in fact Gaius is Ate... he kind of sneaked in during this Sallah period catching me unawares... he's tried several times using different names, but I was able to block him then...

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

I am surprised that there is such concern about the words that Gaius has used which actually draw no blood and very little apparent concern about the disgraceful and savage events at Tudun Wada Dan Kadai. I had expected the forum to be full of posts deploring these evil and murderous actions.

Well said Sheriff - I sincerely hope many other have the deep concern and conscience you have illustrated in your post.

[HUSNAA]

Stop being tongue in cheek Dave. The reason why no one is commenting on the issue (at least the longer term members) is because we all realized who Gaius is... none other than Ete, for whom foul language is second nature as u know very well yrself. Also  this issue of muslim 'brutality' on christians is a well trodden ground. The topic has been dissected so many times, tempers have flared, bad blood has gushed..all sorts of things and the end result has been that nothing constructive has been gained, because of the animosity generated from such discussions. Ete also as you know cant see beyond his nose whenever its muslims versus christians.
I also doubt very much the veracity of his claims of such a recent happening in Kano. I am not in Kano at the moment, but I am an avid listener of the beeb in Hausa and also Deutch Welle, also in Hausa. I listen to Beeb three times a day 7 days a week, so I am rather surprised that they havent aired something so profound in their news same with DW who are apt to go indepth more than the beeb.

I looked up the Compass Direct News online and it is a christian site dedicated to fostering the hatred of muslims. Its news is nothing but the persecution of christians by Muslims all over the globe. I cant for the life of me see how anything can be gained from such an attitude, whereby ppl dedicate their precious time   in trying to source news that only serves to make other ppl angry and paranoid. In so doing those perpertrators of this online christian 'hate' magazine must surely resort to lies and the manipulation of digital photos in order to convey the sorts of xenophobic messages that they want to brainwash other christians with. What is more, they are right up Ete's alley.

[Dave_McEwan_Hill]

Missing the point, Husnaa.
It doesn't matter who Gaius is.
Turning a blind eye to barbarism is complicity in it.
I say again "well said Sherrif"

[HUSNAA]

Missing the point, Husnaa.
It doesn't matter who Gaius is.
Turning a blind eye to barbarism is complicity in it.
I say again "well said Sherrif"

Again I tell you that the whole of that story was concocted. None of the above happened anywhere near Tudun Wada. I looked up the unconvincing pictures of ppl who might have been anyone. The most telling picture was of the 'refugees' whom u can clearly see were well dressed ppl at their ease attending a meeting, all looking calm and collected and all sitting down in rows of chairs as one might at a meeting. It was nothing like a group of scared hunted ppl.
Again what ever u say about complicity is yr own view. We are not turning a blind eye to barbarism, we just dont accept it coming from Gaius. And it matters very much who Gaius is, because no one wants to be dragged down to his level... maybe u might acquiesce  to his level, but not everyone is as thick skinned and I for one am tired of incoherent rantings.

[amira]

Wai shin, meke damun wadanan ete mutanen......they dont like stepping down

[MySeLf]

I just can not understand why christians blood is more important then that of the muslims.
Hundreds of muslims, male, female, children and tiny babies are getting slaughter on daily basis, their blood running
on the street, their properties destroyed, and their female raped, and nobody is saying nothing about it.... 
But as soon a single christian is killed, is a breaking news, top of the head lines and the article writing is none stop.
And so people like ete/Gaius what ever he is will keep ranting about it.
Does that mean one life is better then the other or what?
Why don't we unite regardless of our religion and stand for justice?, No killing is right.
Hhmm!.......... THIS HYPOCRITICAL LIFE!

[bakangizo]

Missing the point, Husnaa.
It doesn't matter who Gaius is.
Turning a blind eye to barbarism is complicity in it.
I say again "well said Sherrif"

There's no barbarism, Dave. Nothing of that sort happened. Just like Husnaa said. I'm in Kano, so I should know. Exactly why I decided to ignore the rascal Gauis. Yes, I'm getting flared up. If sheriff05 decided to pander up and suck up the drivel from ignoramuses (pls allow me this, admin) like Gauis, that's his choice. I had initially opted not to say anything on this issue, for the same reasons Abdalla stated. Somehow I'm more inflamed by your posts.

You looking for barbarism?, look no further than what US/West/Europe is doing, systematically exterminating muslim countries.

[Dan-Borno]

D-B jogging
D-B press up
warming up
wait for my post

[sheriff 05]

salam,
It seems Ete was quite a character on this forum.. For we the children here, we're too young to know this character and therefore I have no comment at all on him, but if he could generate such an uproar from esteemed members, (if indeed he is Gaius) then I'm sure he was quite a "thorn".

I want to apologise for something. It appears from these remarks that the story behind this incident may not altogether be "complete", therefore I want to apologise for the fact that I based the argument in my piece on unverified accounts of this incident. I have been away for a few months (very few), and therefore while I read news daily, I have no moral authority nor credible authority to concur with what in this case, I neither witnessed, nor saw, thus I graciously say, Sorry.

However, I must point out that I was moved to comment because to me, such an incident is a VERY big issue and quite clearly, no one wrote to deny it, rather there seemed to be a conspicous silence and I assumed silence means consent. It is apparent now that the silence was for different reasons, which I LIKE FELLOW CHILDREN ON THIS FORUM, WOULD BE HAPPY TO STAY AWAY FROM. It is for you, the older adults to iron out within yourselves.

I however, bare no apologies for my stand on such issues where they do indeed happen and that is the general basis of the article. while this incident may be questionable, there is no question that other similar things happened in the past and quite troublingly, stand a strong chance of happening again in the future. Therefore I strongly stand by my words with regards my opinion on the wider issue of "how we react to incidents", and our general direction as a society; our perception of justice; the degradation of law and order; the loss of religious values and erosion of morality within our beloved society.

I thank God that within your remarks, no one has objected to this stand, it brightens my rather bleak view of our future.

[Muhsin]

Salam,
Ete again?

Though I don't have much to say since our elder forumites have had said all what should have been said, alhamdulillah. Such is how you should be rightly responded to. Thanks. Let me still say few words on the issue which I hope will be of significance here.

Why you always Ete/Gaius? Why can't you ever change your rigid and bloodless heart which has no work rather than always launching attacks by spitting, using snooty expressions, downgrading and what have you to what Muslims and northerners in general do.

Concerning this so-called unrest of Tudun-wada. I'm also in Kano, yet I heard about it but the thing is not as you guys are saying. This, if it's in Lagos for instance, it wouldn't have been reported in any media because its degree is so low, lower than day2day rivalry of Lagos or other Southern states. And, moreover, ask for its initial course, its your people. Don't you know that?

Lastly, if I were you, I would have since forgot with this site since you are banned twice because you cannot abide by rules and regulation. There are many Discussion Forum where, perhaps, may condone your barbarism, thoughtlessness, gaucheness and so on but not HERE! Please go, we don't like you and your words here unless if you can change then...we can welcome you but presently....NO!!!