Just switched on the TV and was greeted with this awful news of the death of Benazir Bhutto. I am shocked to say the least, but I always thought that she was cutting it a bit too fine, with her being so outspoken about the taliban and alqaeda, and the fact that she supports Musharraf indirectly, despite her standing against his impostion of martial law on that nation. Kai Allah Ya Jikan ta ameen. Su kuma fanatics din da su kai carrying out this heinous crime, Allah Ya tona musu asiri. Just today, a teenager was aprehended with some explosives at the rally in Rawalpindi. The assassins must have had a contingency plan in case the teenager couldnt blow himself up.
Amin to your prayers. Amma this woman killed herself,
because she knew that her life is a target in Pakistan
not even by the government but also those groups of
gentle-guys who agrees that women should not lead
(you know what i mean).
She escaped the first attempt when she came back
from exile and she receives calls threaten her to resign
for her own sake, but she thinks the media will stop
them.
These guys are really tough, they believe in what they
are doing.
Inna lillahi wa'inna ilaihil raju'un....
Ashe ajaline yayi kira, shiyasa tana zaman zamanta for years ta tashi ta tafi..... Allahu Akbar!
Kuma as U said Husnaa, Bakinta! she just couldn't stop talking shit..
Kuma Ita da Musharraf dinma bawani abuta sukeba... Ohh!
This news is really sad. For me the first thoughts and deepest condolences goes to the family and children of those killed. It seems from all the reports i have been reading that people have conveniently forgotten that she wasnt the only one killed in this act. All the police officers, body guards and well wishers affected by the blast were human beings like her excellency. and even though they were not presidential material, they were people, dearly loved by someone or with wives and children who are feeling this tragic loss in manners we can only imagine. May Allah have mercy on them all and make their hereafter better than their lives in this world.
I wonder what will become of Pakistan? here is a country which aside religious variations is all but the same with India and is very much capable of achieving the very greatness for which India is on the verge of. but gradually it is falling apart. I'm sad because lives are being destroyed and families are being ripped apart. and I am also sad because irrespective of the final outcome, the future of this country (pakistan) is being written with the blood of its own people.
Pakistan very much like Afghanistan is fast becoming a battle ground for two global extreme ideologies, who will win? Only the Allmighty knows. But for people like myself, regardless of who wins, I will remain sad, and I will always feel that the price of this war is most definately far too high.
May her gentle soul rest in perfect peace, Amin.
It was a tremendous loss not only to Pakistan but all over the world.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I was napping when the news broke on FOX,which's what I been watching all morning.This's incredibly sad on so many levels.They've killed the ONE hope left for Pakistan.To say that this makes me overwhelmingly despondent is a a gross understatment.Bhutto had this coming though.Hard luck mixed with bad timing,a time when politcal vulnerability is at an all time high in Pakistan.So many questions,very few answers.Allah ya ji kanta.
Husna,cud you please elaborate on the reason as to why you thought Bhutto in an undercover Musharraf advocate?
I am dumbfounded.
From the archive of her interviews i heard,she said she didn't believe a true muslim could attack/kill her because true muslims don't believe in attacks against women and that any true muslim who kills a woman will Burn in hell.
Burn in Hell they will whoever killed her.
May her soul rest in piece and may the culprits be punished.
Many believe the extremists that she had always critisized are behind the attacks. Allah wadan naka ya lalace.
Quote from: dan kauye on December 27, 2007, 11:54:26 PM
Husna,cud you please elaborate on the reason as to why you thought Bhutto in an undercover Musharraf advocate?
Well maybe not quite an undercover advocate, but Musharraf and Bhutto liked and respected each other despite everything. Remember her return to Pakistan was brokered by a deal with the US acting as middleman between her and Musharraf. He, Musharraf needed support from political leaders less inclined towards the taliban and alqaeda factions after the ousting of the chief judge and that debacle at the red mosque. Between Bhutto and Nawaz Shariff, she was the lesser of the two evils and less of a threat presumably to his government. I do remember a speech she made in an interview before her return ( I think) to Pakistan in which she supported Musharraf unequivocally on his face off with the red mosque clerics. I remember not feeling very much disposed towards her support of the brutal way Musharraf suppressed the insurgency at the red mosque. She came out and protested at the imposition of martial law, but one thing was glaringly clear before that, and that was that almost all the leading political opponents were hunted down and jailed or put under house arrest at the time. Imran Khan had to flee temporarily I think, but he was still jailed nevertheless. But Benazir was never touched at all. The least one could expect was that she would be put under surveillance for suspected dissident activities which let's face it all opposition leaders are accused of. She could have just sat tight and not voiced any opposition to the martial law since it didnt seem to have affected her negatively, but in all honesty she had to come out and show some form of opposition otherwise she wouldnt have been taken seriously and also it would show that she really was in cahoots with Musharraf.
Then when Musharraf declared elections were going to hold in January 2008, Nawaz Sharrif wanted to boycott the elections, but Bhutto on the other hand showed her willingness to participate in the election campaign which derailed Nawaz's plans of protesting against Musharraf's not wanting to step down as head of the country's military regime unless he could be assured of being elected as president before hand. Maybe Benazir was thinking that if they all boycotted the elections, it would be a giving away the presidency of the country to Musharraf at any rate because with or without an opposition vote, the elections would still be considered valid.
Anyway, Musharraf's handling of Benazir was much more genteel and gentle than his handling of her male counterparts. That also could have something to do with the US support both enjoy. That is why I thought that there was some behind the scenes understanding between the two of them.
This is really really sad. I refuse to speculate on her relationship with that bastard musharraf. I wished it was him they assasinated, not her. The fools :'( Oh, what made her come back? She shouldn't have, seeing her the country is at the mo. It was too naive of her to believe she would be safe. Who's responsible? At this point, I'm not discounting anybody, from the obvious suspects - Al-qaeda -, to the Americans, and musharraf himself.
Alquaeda has claimed responsibility. I heard it on the news some moments ago.
Quote from: HUSNAA on December 28, 2007, 09:29:07 AM
Alquaeda has claimed responsibility. I heard it on the news some moments ago.
What did they say was their reason for the assasination?
Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 28, 2007, 09:43:29 AM
Quote from: HUSNAA on December 28, 2007, 09:29:07 AM
Alquaeda has claimed responsibility. I heard it on the news some moments ago.
What did they say was their reason for the assasination?
Assalamu alaikum,
FBI is claiming that it sources linked the Murder to Alqaeeda....... While i think those who wants Musharri and himself are the likely persons responsible. Allah (SWT) ya jkanta da sauran dukkan Musulimi- tun daga Annabi Adam (AS) har zuwa Tashin Qiyamah-amiyn.
Yes, EMTL, FBI is only claiming. Al-qaeda is a credible
organisation and cannot narrow itself to Pakistan politics
only. I heard rumours that its an islamic organisation that
took this attack who vowed that woman will not lead
Pakistan no matter what it will cost them.
Mustapha Abu Alyazeed, an al qaeda leader in Afghanistan has claimed in a telephone interview with some news weekly paper that he ordered the attack.
Regardless of the politics that may have gone on behind the scenes Benazir Bhutto represented Pakistan's great opportunity to deny power to evil fanatics whose savage response to anybody who disagrees with them is to blow them up. I am encouaraged by the sensible posts on Kano Online on this evil deed. The people who murdered a brave woman and countless other innocent people in the name of religion do Islam huge damage.
I am heartened by our reponse in Scotland where Moslems and Christians are together offering up prayers for Benazir Bhutto and for Pakistan.
It's about time that people everywhere understood that Moslems and Christians worship the same God and that continuous fighting between them means that the good that both religions preach is being completely lost. Such is particularly true in Nigeria.
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on December 28, 2007, 03:50:05 PM
I am encouaraged by the sensible posts on Kano Online on this evil deed.
That is the most unflattering thing u have ever said about members of kanoonline Dave. What did u expect us to do? Dance with joy over her death or support her murderers? It seems to me that u've never really understood our mentality as muslims.. just like Ete never did although he was prejudiced, but I always thought u were more open minded.. seems I was wrong.
Oh yes and something else; your tone is very patronizing.. encouraged by sensible posts indeed! Every one here is a sensible adult and these 'sensible' posts are not a one off thing that should be applauded for being there
Husna,
I somewhat understand your sentiments now.And although Bhutto and Musharaff may have had a few mutual interests, in that both are anti Taliban/al-Quaeda,and by implication pro-west,I'm not convinced that the two may have colluded on the sly.IMO,beyond the parallax of superficial political glitz ,lies nothing that put the two in the same box;irrespective of her questionable past,Bhutto has a vision and represent,at the very least,the desired reality of the average Pakistani.Wouldn't it have been an absolute paradox to be friends and enemies with the same person? I'm just saying..
Quote from: dan kauye on December 28, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Husna,
I somewhat understand your sentiments now.And although Bhutto and Musharaff may have had a few mutual interests, in that both are anti Taliban/al-Quaeda,and by implication pro-west,I'm not convinced that the two may have colluded on the sly.IMO,beyond the parallax of superficial political glitz ,lies nothing that put the two in the same box;irrespective of her questionable past,Bhutto has a vision and represent,at the very least,the desired reality of the average Pakistani.Wouldn't it have been an absolute paradox to be friends and enemies with the same person? I'm just saying..
Bhutto's assassination is a clear case of man's inhumanity to man. May God expose the miscreants who committed this heinous act. To me she's a woman of substance who believed in her conscience and her struggle. To Bhutto, the future lies in our struggle and our commitments. I wish her well in the hereafter.
Her closeness or relationship with Musharraf over the al-qaedas and talibans is quite vague and superficial. Though she believed in her own course, but that does nt ascertain her support to Musharraf who was supported and lured by the Americans to fight war on terror. I believe Bhutto was a woman with passion for peace and human rights. She had the personal temerity to fight any injustice in Pakistan. She then tended to draw a multitude of crowd when intiating her own course and at the end of the day, she left her enemies in quandary. They tried several times to get her intimidated but they got intimidated; they tried to eliminate her but majority of them got eliminated.
Now that Bhutto was assassinated, we should raise our hands and supplicate by asking Allah to forgive her sins and atrocities(if any). Every one of us should not be carried away by the spur of the moments since all of us are living in a violent world. And nobody knows his/her beginning or end. Only that one has to, and most pray to have a good one. Once again, I wish Bhutto well in the herafter. May Allah Give her family the courage to bear this unquantifiable loss.
Ma, I rejoice with you for having a successful end. Your killer has gotten away with, but all your sins free of-charge. Allah ya jikan ki da rahama. Mace mai kamar maza.
Husnaa
I find your post sadly insulting.
I repeat - I am greatly encouraged by the sensible posts on this awful deed on Kano Online. You may have forgotten some of the less acceptable posts on this forum in the past professing support for the activities of extremists. I have not.
It's really quite amazing how touchy some people are when it is obvious that the religion of peace is used as an excuse by some of its misguided adherents to indulge in mayhem.
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on December 28, 2007, 10:36:39 PM
Husnaa
I find your post sadly insulting.
Apologies tendered Dave; not meant to be insulting, just peer to peer telling off that's all. Anyway, it was one of those off days when all the hormones are awry... :)
Assalamu alaikum,
The more the facts emerge about the killing of this Woman the more clearer it is that the enemies of Islam are behind it. They want to plunge another Muslim Nation into Chaos. Allah Ya Isa.
Quote from: EMTL on December 28, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 28, 2007, 09:43:29 AM
Quote from: HUSNAA on December 28, 2007, 09:29:07 AM
Alquaeda has claimed responsibility. I heard it on the news some moments ago.
What did they say was their reason for the assasination?
Assalamu alaikum,
FBI is claiming that it sources linked the Murder to Alqaeeda....... While i think those who wants Musharri and himself are the likely persons responsible. Allah (SWT) ya jkanta da sauran dukkan Musulimi- tun daga Annabi Adam (AS) har zuwa Tashin Qiyamah-amiyn.
Thanks, Husnaa.
I am pro Islam and support the central message of peace and charity that dominate all the world's major religions.
The one God is central to all of them no matter what the name is.
But I can see violent lunatics who associate themselves with all religions and it is very important that their evil is denounced before our young people are infected by it. Silence is not an option.
Respect is the key.
I respect your right to hold your beliefs even when they differ from my beliefs and all I would ask is that across the world every person has the right to hold beliefs and practice their religion (or none) freely so long as it does no harm to any other person.
What a happy world we might then have and how happy God would be.
A good New Year to you and all at Kano Online.
" For a' that and a' that
It's coming yet for a' that
That man to man the world over
Shall brothers be, for a' that"
may her gentle soul rest in perfect peace,she was a true natonalist spnding her entire life in fighting for equity,transprency,accountality,peace,unity,democracy and good governance.upcouse as you rightly says this heneous act will onteneneu to linger in every ones memory.while ALAH YATNA ASIRIN KOSUWAYE.
Quote from: Bakan~Gizo on December 28, 2007, 08:58:22 AM
:'( Oh, what made her come back? She shouldn't have, seeing her the country is at the mo. It was too naive of her to believe she would be safe.
Lol BKG! Mutum baya shige kwanakin sa a duniya! :-\ Ajali ne ya dawo da ita.. like MYSELF said. I still cant imagine her dead though. Its like a dreamy situation.. I say to myself Benazir Bhutto and I only see a woman on a podium campaigning or being interviewed. To think of her gone forever, it still feels surreal :(
Quote from: dan kauye on December 27, 2007, 11:54:26 PM
Husna,cud you please elaborate on the reason as to why you thought Bhutto in an undercover Musharraf advocate?
Well i think she was attacked because she is following the concepts of Musharraf which is American Democracy system of Government and their interest. You know that at one time Musharraf orderd the closing of some Islamic schools in pakistan claiming that they were terrorist meeting centers and hiding places. Once you wage a war on terrorism now adays is like you are waging war on islam, because the so called terrorist are the muslims in conflict with america. Many pakistani were infact happy at the turn of the event except of course her village citizens! Allah Knows best. May her soul rest in peace!
This phone conversation was tapped and claimed to be
by some al-qaeda chieftains.
Maulvi Sahib (MS): Asalaam Aleikum (Peace be with you)
Baitullah Mehsud (BM): Waleikum Asalam (And also with you)
MS: Chief, how are you?
BM: I am fine.
MS: Congratulations, I just got back during the night.
BM: Congratulations to you, were they our men?
MS: Yes they were ours.
BM: Who were they?
MS: There was Saeed, there was Bilal from Badar and Ikramullah.
BM: The three of them did it?
MS: Ikramullah and Bilal did it.
BM: Then congratulations.
MS: Where are you? I want to meet you.
BM: I am at Makeen (town in South Waziristan tribal region), come over, I am at Anwar Shah's house.
MS: OK, I'll come.
BM: Don't inform their house for the time being.
MS: OK.
BM: It was a tremendous effort. They were really brave boys who killed her.
MS: Mashallah (Thank God). When I come I will give you all the details.
BM: I will wait for you. Congratulations, once again congratulations.
MS: Congratulations to you.
BM: Anything I can do for you?
MS: Thank you very much.
BM: Asalaam Aleikum.
MS: Waaleikum Asalaam.
Assalamu alaikum,
Benazir Bhutto's 19-year-old son will succeed her as chairman of the Pakistan People's Party, which will take part in upcoming elections, officials announced Sunday.
Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 30, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
This phone conversation was tapped and claimed to be
by some al-qaeda chieftains.
Maulvi Sahib (MS): Asalaam Aleikum (Peace be with you)
Baitullah Mehsud (BM): Waleikum Asalam (And also with you)
MS: Chief, how are you?
BM: I am fine.
MS: Congratulations, I just got back during the night.
BM: Congratulations to you, were they our men?
MS: Yes they were ours.
BM: Who were they?
MS: There was Saeed, there was Bilal from Badar and Ikramullah.
BM: The three of them did it?
MS: Ikramullah and Bilal did it.
BM: Then congratulations.
MS: Where are you? I want to meet you.
BM: I am at Makeen (town in South Waziristan tribal region), come over, I am at Anwar Shah's house.
MS: OK, I'll come.
BM: Don't inform their house for the time being.
MS: OK.
BM: It was a tremendous effort. They were really brave boys who killed her.
MS: Mashallah (Thank God). When I come I will give you all the details.
BM: I will wait for you. Congratulations, once again congratulations.
MS: Congratulations to you.
BM: Anything I can do for you?
MS: Thank you very much.
BM: Asalaam Aleikum.
MS: Waaleikum Asalaam.
Assalamu alaikum,
This written script could earn a Hollywood award.
Hmm...as almost many days ago; I don't know why am late here. And thus all thats rightly to be said have been said by you people. But still think there is something a bit I would like to add.
Frankly speaking I lack much sentiment feeling toward that rather brave woman. Why? She perfectly did know of Pakistan volatile polical situation but was adamant in spite of the incalculable death threat she had been recieving always. As I see somebody (Husnaa, I think) have mentioned her statement that no good muslim would kill. Hmm...thats just a hunch. These pakistanees could easily do it as they did it already.
And moreover, when some few weeks ago I was listening to a BBC World Have Your Say Program; many callers from there were completely against her political ideology. Was really surprise up till one polical analyst elaborated it as; when she was PM of Pakistan, she did nothing tangible and why should she thinks now? Musharraf was a better person for Pakistanis and Pakistan.
And there are lots to say about that woman. But lastly my prayer to her is for Allah to judge her accordingly.
Quote from: Muhsin on January 02, 2008, 01:10:56 PM
Hmm...as almost many days ago; I don't know why am late here. And thus all thats rightly to be said have been said by you people. But still think there is something a bit I would like to add.
Frankly speaking I lack much sentiment feeling toward that rather brave woman. Why? She perfectly did know of Pakistan volatile polical situation but was adamant in spite of the incalculable death threat she had been recieving always. As I see somebody (Husnaa, I think) have mentioned her statement that no good muslim would kill. Hmm...thats just a hunch. These pakistanees could easily do it as they did it already.
And moreover, when some few weeks ago I was listening to a BBC World Have Your Say Program; many callers from there were completely against her political ideology. Was really surprise up till one polical analyst elaborated it as; when she was PM of Pakistan, she did nothing tangible and why should she thinks now? Musharraf was a better person for Pakistanis and Pakistan.
And there are lots to say about that woman. But lastly my prayer to her is for Allah to judge her accordingly.
YOU CHAUVENIST :-X :-X :-X!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
PS ;D ;D ;D
Aunty Husnaa,
This isn't a matter of Chauvinism or whatsoever it is. Thats is nothing but a plain fact I outline. And you too, I suspect, must have seen it following my reply.
Wallahi there are lots to say about her. Only time is against me but insha Allah I promise that even if its when this threads dead, I'll reincarnate it Aunty. You wait just.
Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 30, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
This phone conversation was tapped and claimed to be
by some al-qaeda chieftains.
Maulvi Sahib (MS): Asalaam Aleikum (Peace be with you)
Baitullah Mehsud (BM): Waleikum Asalam (And also with you)
MS: Chief, how are you?
BM: I am fine.
MS: Congratulations, I just got back during the night.
BM: Congratulations to you, were they our men?
MS: Yes they were ours.
BM: Who were they?
MS: There was Saeed, there was Bilal from Badar and Ikramullah.
BM: The three of them did it?
MS: Ikramullah and Bilal did it.
BM: Then congratulations.
MS: Where are you? I want to meet you.
BM: I am at Makeen (town in South Waziristan tribal region), come over, I am at Anwar Shah's house.
MS: OK, I'll come.
BM: Don't inform their house for the time being.
MS: OK.
BM: It was a tremendous effort. They were really brave boys who killed her.
MS: Mashallah (Thank God). When I come I will give you all the details.
BM: I will wait for you. Congratulations, once again congratulations.
MS: Congratulations to you.
BM: Anything I can do for you?
MS: Thank you very much.
BM: Asalaam Aleikum.
MS: Waaleikum Asalaam.
Is this a joke? Common man, Al Qaeeda are far more smarter than that!
I'd earlier promised to write long about the life and death of that woman but I later (now) decide not to after deep thought at what I'd to write. So much the better, eh?
In other words, you are not sure of the facts and the sources of the facts you had instock for her.
Muda, its not actually that. I just remember that she's now dead and why should I say something thats likely nasty about a dead person? That'll be completely misnormer, I reckon.
Any way, as promised that I won't say anything so I won't but here is a bit written by a reader of one online news paper called www.dallarsnews.com;
The late Benazir Bhutto's politics of populism was starkly different. They were at once secular, modern and fashioned by a woman who was a Shiite in a country that was overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim and increasingly prone to lurch toward the Taliban/al-Qaeda brand of militancy and anti-modernism. This made her inevitably controversial and thus unacceptable to her country's reactionary core values relentlessly nurtured from the dawn of its history.
This event happened because she, no less a woman, was singularly at odds with everything that her community's overwhelming majority was enamored with.
Sauri P. Bhattacharya, Plano
Quote from: *~MuDa~* on January 02, 2008, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dan-Borno on December 30, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
This phone conversation was tapped and claimed to be
by some al-qaeda chieftains.
Maulvi Sahib (MS): Asalaam Aleikum (Peace be with you)
Baitullah Mehsud (BM): Waleikum Asalam (And also with you)
MS: Chief, how are you?
BM: I am fine.
MS: Congratulations, I just got back during the night.
BM: Congratulations to you, were they our men?
MS: Yes they were ours.
BM: Who were they?
MS: There was Saeed, there was Bilal from Badar and Ikramullah.
BM: The three of them did it?
MS: Ikramullah and Bilal did it.
BM: Then congratulations.
MS: Where are you? I want to meet you.
BM: I am at Makeen (town in South Waziristan tribal region), come over, I am at Anwar Shah's house.
MS: OK, I'll come.
BM: Don't inform their house for the time being.
MS: OK.
BM: It was a tremendous effort. They were really brave boys who killed her.
MS: Mashallah (Thank God). When I come I will give you all the details.
BM: I will wait for you. Congratulations, once again congratulations.
MS: Congratulations to you.
BM: Anything I can do for you?
MS: Thank you very much.
BM: Asalaam Aleikum.
MS: Waaleikum Asalaam.
Is this a joke? Common man, Al Qaeeda are far more smarter than that!
If it were a joke, then the jester would be the Pakistani government. They released this alleged transcript of a phone call between al Quaeda leader Baitullah Mehsud and Maulvi Sahib. See this link. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3105443.ece)
Then again, another Al-quaeda leader in Afghanistan has also claimed responsibility for the attack.
Quote from: EMTL on December 29, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Assalamu alaikum,
The more the facts emerge about the killing of this Woman the more clearer it is that the enemies of Islam are behind it. They want to plunge another Muslim Nation into Chaos. Allah Ya Isa.
This is what i generally wanted my dear fellows to realized. i did not beleive in any fact brandished to portrays alqa'ida or any one as the culprit behind the asssasination of Benezir. Both Her and musharraf are championing anti-islamic ideologies (except if as muslims we will ignore the fact that islamic govrnance is a necessity). America wanted to use her (as a popular politician) and musharraf (as their man in power) to fight islam, and or may be they instructed musharraf to assasinate her, thereby plunging the country into civil war. kaga kenan the seeming possibility for realizing full pledge islamic government will finally dash away at no American cost. Because, what musharraf or Bhutto has to loose in islamic pakistan?
Remember also the history of pakistan and recount the reasons behind seperation from india, it is purely islamic; then came the assasination of ziaul haqq. These are the issues i wanted us to fonders about with respect to the assasination of this freedom fighter fighting for civilization of pakistan at the expense of the foundations of pakistan as a whole.
Finally, it is time we that we muslims should learn to see that America cannot bring anything good to any islamic good. For Benezir, she is now dead and Americans (Bush & Co) have nothing to loose, for that it is part of FBI strategies of destablizing nations withprospects. Now only ALLAH can judge Her. It is now left for Musharraf to know that His alliance with U.S. will last only before they finished off with him. ALLAH said, " And jews and christians will never believe you unless you follows their ways". >:( :( ??? :-[ :-X :'(
Quote from: Lawwali on January 11, 2008, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: EMTL on December 29, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Assalamu alaikum,
The more the facts emerge about the killing of this Woman the more clearer it is that the enemies of Islam are behind it. They want to plunge another Muslim Nation into Chaos. Allah Ya Isa.
This is what i generally wanted my dear fellows to realized. i did not beleive in any fact brandished to portrays alqa'ida or any one as the culprit behind the asssasination of Benezir.
And who says alquaeda is not anti Islam? Where in the Islamic Sharia did it say that it is permissible to kill innocent harmless women? Where did the sharia approve of suicide bombing? where did it permit the random killing of men women and children? Give me a break! Alqueda killed Bhutto plain and simple and what's more, they are giving Islam a bad name! >:(
Husnaa, this thing is too complicated and sometimes
decisions are taken to avert something more devastating
than the one at hand - the end justifies......
I dont know why ppl like to complicate life. What is so difficult about it? She was killed plain and simple and it wasnt musharraf who ordered the hit. Benazir Bhutto has always been a controversial figure in a paradoxical country. Here she was being one of the most vocal women in the world because of her political inclinations in a country that is so obviously still very Islamically orthodox, and the amazing thing was that she even managed to become president TWICE! Both times because of her status as a woman, she came up against stiff opposition to her govt which drove her out of office. So even that time, she had enemies aplenty in and out of government. But in truth, its her stand against alquaeda that proved her nemesis. Accept it Dan Borno
Hmm...different ppl different opinion and perspective and everything. Ikon Allah kenan! Allah kadirun!
Wise words,Husnaa.
Quote from: Muhsin on January 12, 2008, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on January 11, 2008, 11:12:48 PM
Wise words,Husnaa.
???
Assalamu alaikum,
Are you suprised with Dave's commendation? Ponder at what you have written above. Dave only makes cynical comments in his continued adversity to Islam.
You may go back about four years of my contribution to this forum and find no anti Islamic sentiment from me whatsoever. As I have pointed out already though nominally a Christian I have many much loved Islamic relatives
I am however very much against murdering fanatics (no matter what their religion)who blow up and shoot to death people with whom they disagree.
These people damage Islam immeasurably. There is no - I repeat nojustification for suicide bombers or murderers of innocent women and children to be found in Islam. Perhaps Mallam Tukur thinks there should be.
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on January 12, 2008, 08:39:51 PM
As I have pointed out already though nominally a Christian I have many much loved Islamic relatives
I am however very much against murdering fanatics (no matter what their religion)who blow up and shoot to death people with whom they disagree.
These people damage Islam immeasurably. There is no - I repeat nojustification for suicide bombers or murderers of innocent women and children to be found in Islam. Perhaps Mallam Tukur thinks there should be.
Assalamu alaikum,
When I read your reply above I resolved to pray Allah (SWT) to move you from a Nominal Christian to a Muslim. Allah (SWT) knows that I shall be very pleased having you as a Muslim brother. I am moved to understand that you have much loved Islamic relatives.- convey my Assalamu alaikum to my (your Muslim relatives) brothers and sisters.
One question we fail to ask ourselves is why do people blow themselves?
I will rather though admonish and preach to people than kill any. Let us carry out a root cause analysis. Send me through my in box your cell number I will call you insha Allah.
Quote from: EMTL on January 12, 2008, 06:26:43 PM
Quote from: Muhsin on January 12, 2008, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Dave_McEwan_Hill on January 11, 2008, 11:12:48 PM
Wise words,Husnaa.
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Assalamu alaikum,
Are you suprised with Dave's commendation? Ponder at what you have written above. Dave only makes cynical comments in his continued adversity to Islam.
Am surprised and shocked by both Husnaa and Dave's comment, EMTL. But no matter what they'll say I won't elaborate!
And am wishing you goodluck.
Kai Husnaa...... Is that really u or someone with ur Id ???
Quote from: Myself on January 14, 2008, 12:25:47 PM
Kai Husnaa...... Is that really u or someone with ur Id ???
:-X
Quote from: Myself on January 14, 2008, 12:25:47 PM
Kai Husnaa...... Is that really u or someone with ur Id ???
Lol MYSELF of course it is me!!
why is everyone so shocked with what I wrote? I want to ask EMTL what he meant by his comment on Dave's commendation of my post.. viz
Quote from: emtlAre you suprised with Dave's commendation? Ponder at what you have written above. Dave only makes cynical comments in his continued adversity to Islam.
Because what I understand by the above statement is that since EMTL sees Dave's comment in a bad light, then by extension my post is sort of 'blasphemous'. That is the impression that I am getting from EMTL, Muhsin and now MYSELF.
I repeat again and again that I dont believe in what Alqueda is doing. That may seem to pit me in with Bush and co. I dont believe in Bush and co either. THEY ARE BOTH wrong!!! Alqueda may think it is fighting for the cause of Islam, but it has deviated away, as far as I am concerned. Anyone that will take a gun or a bomb and use it randomly is not on the right islamic path as far as I am concerned. U guys seemed to forget that when Kabeel killed Habil, Allah condemned him for killing his brother. These are what the Ayats of the Holy Qur'an have to say about it:
(27)And recite to them the story of the two sons of Adam in truth; when each offered a sacrifice it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you". The former said: "Verily, Allah Accepts only from those who are muttaqoon".
(28) "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the worlds".
(29)"Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, the you will be one of the dwellers of the fire, and that is the recompense of those who do evil".
(30) So the Nafs of the other encouraged him and made fair seeming to him the murder of his brother; he murdered him aand became one of the losers.
(31) Then Allah Sent a crow which scratched the ground to show him hide to hide the dead body of his brother. He said "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be as this crow and to hide the dead body of my brother?" Then he became one of those who regretted.
(32) Because of that, We Ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread mishcief in the land it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them our Messengers with clear proofs evidences and signs, even then agetr that many of them continued to exceed the limits in the land.
Suratul Maidah verses 27 to 32.
Habil and Kabeel were blood brothers but every muslim is a brother to his fellow muslim. So how can killing yr fellow muslims be alright? Even killing innocent non muslims who are not intent on causing one harm is wrong. And the biggest wrong of all is killing one's self! He who commits suicide is forever barred from paradise. Would EMTL, or Muhsin or even MYSELF like to disprove my statements?
So what makes the killing of Benazir Bhutto halal? Is it because she was not conforming in the strict sense to Islamic ettiquette as should be practiced by a woman? Should that be a justifiable reason to murder her?
Quote from: Muhsin on January 14, 2008, 10:49:24 AM
But no matter what they'll say I won't elaborate!
Sorry Husnaa, but I have already have my words that...
Don't get me wrong husnaa, I'm not justifying killing of any kind and neither am I supporter
of Bil laden or Bush and their polices of killing Innocent people and destroying properties,
all I believe Is, blame of such atrocities shouldn't be heavily one-sided!.....
And anyone can be behind Benazir Bhutto's murder at moment bcos final report of what killed
her or who Is behind it Is yet to be made, the case is still under Investigation, therefore we
can not at this moment say for sure is either Bil laden, Musharaff, or even Bush himself....
Kuma as her son said, lot of evidence has already been destroyed, so u see we may never know
the actual truth behind the killing........... Sai kawai a tattara a shirgawa alqa'Ida
May her soul rest in peace and May Allah S.W.T be linient in her judgement and in ours all together, Ameen.
Dave, I have been ever respectful to ur comments, fair and enlightening. I see you haven't changed. Nice to see you again.
Mrs Bhutto is dead and died as a muslim. She has joined her father and family who were also butchered while they were the first family. Despite all the controversies in her life, non of us can judge her, only God can. Whether she was killed my the government, or mushharaf, or an extreemist group, or even alqaeda... we may never know. But her killer will definately be punished in this life and/or the next. In the case of her immidiate killer, his has already began. Lets let her soul rest in peace.
Husnaa, May Allah put you in Al-Jannah, and us all too.
That act from alqaeda lol, that looks like a script from Team America world police 2. Now thats a must watch.
When talking about her, please speak good of her or just let her soul rest in peace.
Safety and peace be with u all
Quote from: Myself on January 14, 2008, 03:22:38 PM
the actual truth behind the killing........... Sai kawai a tattara a shirgawa alqa'Ida
Thats ALL!
This thread has taken a most disillusioning turn..
Quote from: Cekenah on January 15, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
This thread has taken a most disillusioning turn..
Why?
Quote from: Cekenah on January 15, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
This thread has taken a most disillusioning turn..
Why again. You really need to elaborate what you say so that we can...eh?