What happened????

[amira]

Question:

What happened to the slogan of EFCC that no one is above the LAW!?
Why is'nt there no jail sentances for many of those that have committed
a wrong in our society.?(refering to govs, ministers etc)

[Dan-Borno]

Amira, u are too tough, and i guess that is why you
wanna know what happened to those corrupt public
figures. 

The legal luminaries says: the law is an ass, that is
true, especially nigerian law.  This option of fine is
what is setting them free.

Another tool introduced by the EFCC to ease their
processes of litigation with fraudsters and long
verbose turanci while in court with their fellow lawyers,
is the Plea Bargain.  Plea Bargaining is a situation where
you negotiate with the law enforcement agency
while you forfeit (some of your property and money) and
they go ahead to charge you for a lesser offence, say
you stole only N10,000.00 instead of N5 billion, so the
judge is left with option of lesser punishment.

This is Naija where things happen.

[amira]

To Allah shi sauwake!

You see if they (EFCC) will stand on that slogan instead
of going round corners and doing what not bringing out other
ways of punishment which i will say aint punishment rather
wata hanyar suggesting that they (refering to govs, minsters etc)
can continue with what they are doing cos at the end of the
day they (refering to govs, minsters etc) know that if its
money, well we can just say they know how to do the trick.

A way for them govs ministers to take matters seriously is by witnessing
someone from their background (refering to govs, minsters etc) being taken down
(a taso musu haikan they will know that it aint no joke)for what he commited
wrongfully, then they will see and understand that the law is LAW.
Let them be seen and shamed of their bad conduct (Wanzami ba ya son jarfa).

I believe that if this does occur then maybe a sami saukin somethings a nigeria
at least dai those that want to come in as govs, minister etc will come in da kafar
dama.

[Dan-Borno]

I understand your feeling for a change Amiratul Muminat,
but for the EFCC and other security agencies to work in
a better way, the whole of the country's laws must be
revisited once again, including the constitution of the
Federal Republic of Nigeria - and this is what so many of
our leaders are shying away from.

[HUSNAA]

The legal luminaries says: the law is an ass,

Lol DB.. that was Mr Bumble, and he was no legal luminary!!!! hehehehe! ;D

What happened to the slogan of EFCC that no one is above the LAW!?
Why is'nt there no jail sentances for many of those that have committed
a wrong in our society.?(refering to govs, ministers etc)

Amira, Mallam Nuhu Ribadu's hands are tied. He cant do much even though he purports that they are doing much behind closed doors. An riga an debe iko da ga hannun sa an mika wa justice minister, who apparently thinks that some ppl are above the law, but of course, he cant come right out and show this. At the moment he is trying to see that one former governor's case (James Ibori's I think) is scrapped completely. The BBC questioned him about that and he was very evasive. Ibori is wanted by Scotland Yard and I think they want him to go over and stand trial or give witness or that they, (Scotland Yard) want to come over to Nig... cant remember which. This Justice minister refused point blank. He gave his reason as the fact that  Nigeria would become a laughing stock. That is to say that we cant execute our own justice system or some such lame excuse (I really dont remember what he said, but it was along those lines). Isn't that a moron's way of thinking? Its the same as what the CIA said just a few days ago, for destroying video evidence showing its officers torturing victims suspected of being with alqueda: to protect the identities of the torturers against alqueda backlash!!
Absolute rubbish!

Sometimes, we might dislike OBJ's high handedness and arrogance, but it was attitude like that, that ensured that Ribadu got the full backing and support of the presidency even though it was only institutional backing in name and office only, i.e only OBJ fully supported him in the presidency, while outside of it, the common man. On the other hand, few machineries of government wanted or liked the EFCC and with good reason, tunda kusan kowane hamshakin ma'aikacin gwamnati ko politician yana da dan gutun kashin sa a makale under the big abgada and babban riga.

Amma this guy 'Yar adua is hampered by so many things, not least of all by the feeling of insecurity or lack of confidence because of coming into office without the full mandate of the ppl. Thus in order to give his incumbency legitimacy and make the election appear... erm... well lets say off white (instead of pristine white since he has also admitted that it wasnt completely rig free), he agreed to let the judiciary carry out its functions in a manner that indicated non partisanship of either plaintiff or defendant in the numerous election malpractice cases. That bodes no good for him at all, because if the judiciary were to really behave impeccably, he would find himself out of office within the next yr or so. At the moment, his saving grace is INEC, who is heavily implicated in the election malpractice and who is trying all it can to see that the real evidence of election malpractices does not surface. It is trying to save its neck and indirectly the president's incumbency as well.. or maybe its the other way round who knows.
At any rate, not being a military man, 'Yar adua has not learned how to be despotic or dictatorial like OBJ, therefore he is more circumspect in dealing with the public. So he gives in to pressure from ppl with one or two skeletons in the cupboard. That translates to curbing the powers of EFCC, which OBJ consolidated months before leaving office.

So u c...  there are so many disadvantages to not doing things by the rules.. it's got this domino effect. For example if Yar adua had been genuinely elected into govt by the masses, he wouldnt have to take one step forward and two steps backwards in order to  tread carefully over outstretched toes that could to trip him. He  wouldnt have this jangling INEC skeleton hanging over his head that could  prove to be his own nemesis. He would stand solidly behind EFCC and not be pressurized into curbing its powers by cohorts with much to lose if they happened to come under the xray of EFCC.

[Dan-Borno]

Lol DB.. that was Mr Bumble, and he was no legal luminary!!!! hehehehe! ;D

hahaha, ai, waye kuma Mr. Bumble? ashe shine ya fadi wannnan
zance? i heard them (lawyers) saying it and i directly quote them
nima, but i take correction from now.

Madam Husnaa ke nan, she has been able to manuever our senses
to believe that this innocent man was fraudulently brought to power
and that is the effect we are experiencing.  Husnaa when are you
going to stop harassing us (supporters) and the innocent President?

The problem is not Yar'adua coming through the back door, but the
whole judicial system of the country needs overhaul.  This same
problem we are discussing has been in existance since before
Yar'adua ever dreamt of becoming the President, because you must
believe with me that we have thieves in our midst even before now.
So, if you are trying to convince small minds like mine to believe
that the problem at hand now is because we cast our votes to
this innocent mind, I am out.

[Muhsin]

Question:

What happened to the slogan of EFCC that no one is above the LAW!?
Why is'nt there no jail sentances for many of those that have committed
a wrong in our society.?(refering to govs, ministers etc)

I very often ask this question Amira. It's to me something beyond surprise that even those detained before like Saminu Turaki and others are now going any where they like and are even back at their posts (Senators). When'll we ever develop with those people at helm of power? Who'll actually bring it?

[MySeLf]

I very often ask this question Amira. It's to me something beyond surprise that even those detained before like Saminu Turaki and others are now going any where they like and are even back at their posts (Senators).

Muhsin where did U get above Information? Harkasani dogan Salati a baya..
Look at what I found from Triumph newspaper....





   ZUL-HAJJ 4, 1428 A.H.
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 13 2007   

  Court re-affirms travel ban on Turaki
A Federal High Court in Abuja tuesday reiterated its order restraining the immediate past governor of Jigawa, ibrahim Saminu Turaki, from travelling out of Abuja jurisdiction without its permission.
Justice Binta Murtala-Nyako said the order, which formed part of the bail conditions for Turaki, was subsisting and should be obeyed to the letter.
The judge made the remark at the resumed hearing in the trial of Turaki, who is facing charges of laundering over N36 billion of Jigawa state, while he was governor.
``Part of the conditions for the bail is that the accused should report weekly to the EFCC and should not travel out of the court jurisdiction without the court's permission.
``For clarification, the intention of this order is that the accused cannot travel beyond Lokoja, Suleja and Abuja environ, he cannot even travel to Kaduna or Minna.
``Any interpretation outside this is a blatant disobedience to the order of this court,'' the judge said.
Earlier, Turaki's lawyer, Mr M. O. Anafi, had said that his client interpreted the court jurisdiction to mean that he was only barred from travelling outside the country.
Meanwhile, Anafi has asked the court to review the bail conditions and to release his client's international passport to him.
The lawyer said he was asking for the review to enable his client to perform lesser Hajj and travel outside the country to perform his legislative functions.
``The bail condition inhibits the performance of the legislative duties of the accused. He cannot be seen to be collecting salary as a Senator but not doing the work given to him in the National Assembly,'' he said.
The lawyer tendered a letter from the office of the Clerk of the Senate, which requires the accused to submit his international passport for visa processing.
``The accused is nominated as a delegate of the Senate to travel outside the country for a crucial meeting but cannot present his travelling documents because of the order of the court,'' he said.
Besides, the lawyer said the accused was due for a medical check in Singapore for a ``chronic heart disease''.
The counsel also argued that the variation of the bail condition was necessary to enable his client to perform his religious rites.
``Since the court has granted him bail, nothing has been shown that he has attempted to contravene any of the conditions,'' he said.
He urged the court to grant his application for the review of the bail conditions.
Counsel representing the prosecution and the Director, Legal Services of EFCC, Mr I. B. Gafai, asked for a short adjournment to enable him to respond to the application.
Murtala-Nyako granted the request and adjourned the case till January 16, 2008 for the reply.
The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) recalls that Turaki is facing a 32- count charge to which he pleaded not guilty.
Three companies allegedly used by Turaki in siphoning state funds and one Ahmad Muhammad, now at large, are standing trial with the former governor.
The companies include INC Natural Resources Ltd., Arkel Construction Ltd. and World Cat Construction Ltd.                                   
   

[Nuruddeen]

I very often ask this question Amira. It's to me something beyond surprise that even those detained before like Saminu Turaki and others are now going any where they like and are even back at their posts (Senators).

Muhsin where did U get above Information? Harkasani dogan Salati a baya..
Look at what I found from Triumph newspaper....

He is right! These ppl, especially the Jigawa crook is now going scot-free.








   ZUL-HAJJ 4, 1428 A.H.
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 13 2007   

  Court re-affirms travel ban on Turaki
A Federal High Court in Abuja tuesday reiterated its order restraining the immediate past governor of Jigawa, ibrahim Saminu Turaki, from travelling out of Abuja jurisdiction without its permission.
Justice Binta Murtala-Nyako said the order, which formed part of the bail conditions for Turaki, was subsisting and should be obeyed to the letter.
The judge made the remark at the resumed hearing in the trial of Turaki, who is facing charges of laundering over N36 billion of Jigawa state, while he was governor.
``Part of the conditions for the bail is that the accused should report weekly to the EFCC and should not travel out of the court jurisdiction without the court's permission.
``For clarification, the intention of this order is that the accused cannot travel beyond Lokoja, Suleja and Abuja environ, he cannot even travel to Kaduna or Minna.
``Any interpretation outside this is a blatant disobedience to the order of this court,'' the judge said.
Earlier, Turaki's lawyer, Mr M. O. Anafi, had said that his client interpreted the court jurisdiction to mean that he was only barred from travelling outside the country.
Meanwhile, Anafi has asked the court to review the bail conditions and to release his client's international passport to him.
The lawyer said he was asking for the review to enable his client to perform lesser Hajj and travel outside the country to perform his legislative functions.
``The bail condition inhibits the performance of the legislative duties of the accused. He cannot be seen to be collecting salary as a Senator but not doing the work given to him in the National Assembly,'' he said.
The lawyer tendered a letter from the office of the Clerk of the Senate, which requires the accused to submit his international passport for visa processing.
``The accused is nominated as a delegate of the Senate to travel outside the country for a crucial meeting but cannot present his travelling documents because of the order of the court,'' he said.
Besides, the lawyer said the accused was due for a medical check in Singapore for a ``chronic heart disease''.
The counsel also argued that the variation of the bail condition was necessary to enable his client to perform his religious rites.
``Since the court has granted him bail, nothing has been shown that he has attempted to contravene any of the conditions,'' he said.
He urged the court to grant his application for the review of the bail conditions.
Counsel representing the prosecution and the Director, Legal Services of EFCC, Mr I. B. Gafai, asked for a short adjournment to enable him to respond to the application.
Murtala-Nyako granted the request and adjourned the case till January 16, 2008 for the reply.
The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) recalls that Turaki is facing a 32- count charge to which he pleaded not guilty.
Three companies allegedly used by Turaki in siphoning state funds and one Ahmad Muhammad, now at large, are standing trial with the former governor.
The companies include INC Natural Resources Ltd., Arkel Construction Ltd. and World Cat Construction Ltd.                                   
   

The above could be true my dear, but one needs to  verify whether. Howver, all what Amira and Muhsin said are also true. Alll things happen in Naija so little wonder.

[ummita]

Question:
What happened to the slogan of EFCC that no one is above the LAW!?
Why is'nt there no jail sentances for many of those that have committed
a wrong in our society.?(refering to govs, ministers etc)

My dear I understand your lamentation over EFFC. We all know that it is quite true that the inexistence of a lawless country is nothing but a sham and the presence of it does not necessary represent true justice. But you see we often get it wrong, as the EFFC's mission is to investigate and uproot puppet masters of corruption and enforce punishment. But in the real sense, chastising a wrongdoer lies in the hands of law judges and not the EFFC. The law is an umbrella under which different law enforcement bodies find their shade. The EFFC is a new-fangled system and we cannot expect them to eradicate the setbacks of corruption and revolutionize Nigeria by the break of dawn! It takes time and we ought to have as much regard that good results happens over time. Still we should get a clear picture on this; EFFC is an organization accountable for the investigation of corruption and identifying the illegalities of financial crimes. The problem lies with the judges and lawyers who do not often follow codified rules of law. If at all these written statements are observed then the decree of true justice, for example life for life, eye for eye and tooth for tooth could serve its valid purpose. However, such consideration seems to be clouted over by the miscarriage of justice.

You see if they (EFCC) will stand on that slogan instead
of going round corners and doing what not bringing out other
ways of punishment which i will say aint punishment rather
wata hanyar suggesting that they (refering to govs, minsters etc)
can continue with what they are doing cos at the end of the
day they (refering to govs, minsters etc) know that if its
money, well we can just say they know how to do the trick.

Am trying to reason with you but kin sani fah, to get through interiors, you have to start from the exteriors, so am saying its ok for them to stay round the corners and weed out those thorny shrubs for good cultivation. Tough times never last, but tough people do and to dig these louts out, one has to start from "out". Climbing the ladders of success starts from the bottom, let them be by the corners because the EFFC have begun a good job and the impact they've had over some few years are quite overwhelming bearing in mind that the person behind it all is that very young chap. Past supremacies couldn't do jack! There was no significant change about corruption despite earlier incorporated Acts coming into force over the years such as The Banks and other Financial Institutions Act 1991, The Failed Banks (Recovery of Debts) and Financial Malpractices in Banks Act 1994, The Advance Fee Fraud and Other Fraud Related Offences Act 1995, which were all for the purposes of abolishing fiscal crimes. Yet only the EFFC made a mammoth difference!

The legal luminaries says: the law is an ass, that is
true, especially nigerian law.

A'a fah, Uncle Dan-Maiduguri. That leading figure's testimonial is a charade. The law is not an ass. I tell you; persons who do not abide but destroy the law are "it"! True law, it has honoured us, we should honour it! Only if people were morally and mentally sound upstairs, we wouldn't even need written laws. Most regulations are written for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men. Therefore, law is not an ass but man is because written laws are like spider's webs; they will catch, it is true, the weak and poor, but will be torn in pieces by the rich and powerful!

Another tool introduced by the EFCC to ease their
processes of litigation with fraudsters and long
verbose turanci while in court with their fellow lawyers,
is the Plea Bargain.

Nigerians and strong head!!! You think they will take up plea-bargaining as recourse? You are kidding right? I do not think it will work well as an itinerary to opt for the repayment of a lesser amount. Some reprobate might request his attorney to ask for price reduction to the lowest denomination. You know us - Nigerians are very skilled in the art of bargaining. ;)

[*~MuDa~*]

Question:

What happened to the slogan of EFCC that no one is above the LAW!?
Why is'nt there no jail sentances for many of those that have committed
a wrong in our society.?(refering to govs, ministers etc)

How will EFCC not bend to the rule of of being bias in nigeria when it was a body that was installed by certain people in the state who have their own interest in the organisation as well.

[HUSNAA]

How will EFCC not bend to the rule of of being bias in nigeria when it was a body that was installed by certain people in the state who have their own interest in the organisation as well.

Why is it difficult not to be cynical ne? let me rephrase that... why is it so easy to be cynical? Why cant ppl believe that no matter how bad a person is, that there is always some good in him/ her? If there is one thing that OBJ should be applauded for, despite all his other faux pas, it is setting up the EFCC. That action is on a  par with Abacha's setting up  of PTF. They have both been seen to work and brought benefits to the common man. So why should one keep insisting that there is covert interest attached to the EFCC? We all know that EFCC is a very unpopular institution especially with the powers that be. NR is hampered on all sides and now he is being given his marching orders. EFCC with out NR, may not remain as EFCC in reality. When that happens then we can claim that EFCC does bend to the rule of being biased in Nigeria as it is a body that has been decapitated.