WHY PALESTINE????

[Khalil]

And in 1928 Dr. Chaim Weizmann the first Israeli President (1948-52) said " We will establish ourselves in Paletine whe ther you like it or not! You can hasten our arrival, or you can equally retard it. It is, however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive power being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world" !!!!!!!!!!!

The quote above is from our beloved brother Guduma he quoted Dr. Weizmann in order to prove a point in our discourse, the other day, under the topic, Religion: The Problem Of Mankind. The recurring decimal in the indices of my thought is why did Weizmann and other Zionist ?gluttons? apparently speaking for the Jewish Nation will insist with fanatical determination in acquiring Palestine for their exclusive keep?

Why is it that blood or water does not seem to redirect the mind of the Talmudic Jew to view life with simplicity and in the interest of the World peace leave Palestine?

I am sure you too have been asking your self this conscience-burdening question.  But why Palestine? Why and Why Palestine?

Well, the Jew has become a phenomenon in the history of mankind. While he thinks his, is an issue of a fate accompli those among the Gentiles or Goyims - as he may find fun calling others- with insight to world affairs, think his ascendance means the decadence of the other races of humankind.

Whatever the case maybe, this question needs to be addressed squarely. Why Palestine?

I sincerely hope that at the end of this discourse we will be able to find a satisfactory answer to this question thus paving our way into the inner circle of the nucleus of the problem, and this may likely hatch a favourable solution to all and sundry: Those among us who sincerely desire peace and enduring consolation.

Waziri

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[Anonymous]

And in 1928 Dr. Chaim Weizmann the first Israeli President (1948-52) said " We will establish ourselves in Paletine whe ther you like it or not! You can hasten our arrival, or you can equally retard it. It is, however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive power being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world" !!!!!!!!!!!

The quote above is from our beloved brother Guduma he quoted Dr. Weizmann in order to prove a point in our discourse, the other day, under the topic, Religion: The Problem Of Mankind. The recurring decimal in the indices of my thought is why did Weizmann and other Zionist ?gluttons? apparently speaking for the Jewish Nation will insist with fanatical determination in acquiring Palestine for their exclusive keep?

Why is it that blood or water does not seem to redirect the mind of the Talmudic Jew to view life with simplicity and in the interest of the World peace leave Palestine?

I am sure you too have been asking your self this conscience-burdening question.  But why Palestine? Why and Why Palestine?

Well, the Jew has become a phenomenon in the history of mankind. While he thinks his, is an issue of a fate accompli those among the Gentiles or Goyims - as he may find fun calling others- with insight to world affairs, think his ascendance means the decadence of the other races of humankind.

Whatever the case maybe, this question needs to be addressed squarely. Why Palestine?

I sincerely hope that at the end of this discourse we will be able to find a satisfactory answer to this question thus paving our way into the inner circle of the nucleus of the problem, and this may likely hatch a favourable solution to all and sundry: Those among us who sincerely desire peace and enduring consolation.

Waziri

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The Palestine deserve what Isreal is doing to them. Why would Palestine Kill Innocent People. I pray that Sharon would kill all the Hamas Leader.

[alhaji_aminu]

salam

Waziri i find one thing really confusing about this 'mideast' palaver.
1) isn't it true that jews are the Bani Isra'il mentioned in the Quran? if yes, then what did the Quran say as to where they reside (historically)? you must agree with me this is a very interesting question.

That said,  I, under no circumstance, believe the zionists/colonists/terrorist/racists are entitled to live in peace in the mideast because they have brought untold hardship and murder to innocent muslims. Also, their inherent belief in being a superior race has not helped matters either.

Now to guest. this much is all i can say:
                                                  "the best answer to a fool is silence"

[Anonymous]

salam

Waziri i find one thing really confusing about this 'mideast' palaver.
1) isn't it true that jews are the Bani Isra'il mentioned in the Quran? if yes, then what did the Quran say as to where they reside (historically)? you must agree with me this is a very interesting question.

That said,  I, under no circumstance, believe the zionists/colonists/terrorist/racists are entitled to live in peace in the mideast because they have brought untold hardship and murder to innocent muslims. Also, their inherent belief in being a superior race has not helped matters either.

Now to guest. this much is all i can say:
                                                  "the best answer to a fool is silence"

Did I hear you say Innocent muslim. What is so Innocent about sucide bombers

[al_hamza]

what is innocent about the jews (who supposedly killed god) AXTAGHFURULLAHUL AZEEM (SINCE WE BELIEVE JESUS TO BE ALIVE AND HIM BIENG ONLY A PROPHET). Christians believe in inherited sin (madness) which is why Isah/Jesus (P.B.U.H) had to die on the cross to wash man's sin away. Ol boy maybe your pope has the power to forgive the jews for killing your "god" lol, but we arent allowed to forgive and forget attrocities against our people without proper judgement.
                          I dont blame americans and other whites for loving jews since they have been extensively brain-washed, in fact americans dont even have time for analysing matters for themselves, they work like slaves for 5/6 days a week and party like dogs on any holiday they are given. All an american knows is what he sees on TV thats it. shi kenan. But why do christians in other parts of the world support jews so much? i mean why our nigerian brothers? Ogun is the fountain of knowledge right? a yoruba would boast that ogun state has more P.H.Ds per square milimeter than anywhere, then why is it that my dear friends that you refuse to use your own kwakwalwa(brain)
                                   Why is it a must that its what the white man that says is right? why cant Mandela be right? why must bush be right? are you suffering from inferiority complex? And sub-conciously matching your brains with the oyimbo so that he'd treat you as an equal?
                                          My friend, even if someone doesnt know about christianity,islam or jewish religion and is told of such a people that have been so well connected and united for a single cause through thousands of years, even he will tell you that those people are surely dangerous.
                Yes The PROPHET (S.A.W) did say more than 1400yrs ago that the jews would return, He(P.B.U.H) also said they'd be driven out. But it doesnt mean that we sit back and watch our boys, sisters, mothers, daughters, sons die. In-fact for a person to say that we shouldnt think about it too much and just take it as a course that would surely end in our benefit is just a pigeon that shuts its eyes thinking the cat will pass away. Put it this way, fill a plate of food and sit next to it, i bet you the whole of the universe that that food wont come into our mouth till you use your own hands. Providing the food was Allah's(S.W.T) duty, to eat is your duty.

TO LIBERATE PALESTINE, CHECHENYA, KASHMIR, IRAQ, PHILIPINE IS OUR DUTY.

[David McEwan Hill]

I don't know where Al Hamza gets his stupid ideas from. What makes him think there is any evidence of white people or Christians loving the Jews. He mistakes what the Americans do and think with what the rest of us believe. Most intelligent Europeans (and many sensible Americans)recognise that America is led by an idiot who won the Presidency by fraud and that Jewish money determines what policy the idiot follows.
And the Pope (who continually calls for justice for the Palestinians) does not have the power to forgive anybody for anything.
It would be a great step forward if Al Hamza were to discover that most of the world - Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Bhuddists and whatever - supports the Palestinians and that most of the world (including most of the white people and most of the Chrisians) believe that American action in Iraq was evil and stupid and is getting worse.  
Our Scottish national poet Robert Burns' greatest poem says " Its coming yet for a' that, that man to man the world over shall brothers be, for a' that".  All men who love God are working for that, not shouting hate.

[al_hamza]

Sir David, actions speak louder than words, find me a batch of scotish men that would go to iraq, palestine, chechenya, kashmir or philipine to fight jihad or let it be a crusade for them against oppression. Can you find any such? or Sir Mcevan with deu respect would you be able to find any scotish man that would finance a jihad against the oppressors?
               You see Mr David thats exactly what you people suffer from, you live in a totally different world. Reality is much different, you whites live in a matrix kind of world and for you we are the virus, which in fact is the reverse. Is there any European nation or American or non-muslim nation that has ever refused to recognise israel as a state? No! why? do you have any answer? there is no jsutification to israels creation, still you pump money and ammuinition into the jewish pockets for what? do you think the jews love cooking money or eating bullets? They use it to kill my brothers and sisters and have been doing so for the last 50yrs. What have you done about it? Forget bush, his IQ level is very little we all know, what about those before him and the ones before them?
              I dont know if you want to stay away from the hard truth or if its the shame of what your people have been doing or if you are so colour blind that the palestinian blood looks like water to you, but sir evan over a billion muslims do think the same way i do.

[al_hamza]

Mr David, when i was 7 and most kids watched cartoons i use to read encyclopedia and watch Ahmed Deedats  recordings on tape. i surely know more about the blunders your Popes have done, you live in a country where there is freedom of expression speech bla bla bla, find out about two popes please.

1) the one that forgave the jews for killing "god".

2) the one that issued certificates of going to heaven to people for money.

and oh please, when you get there names please do tell me, its been long since i was 7 you know ;)

[lionger]

nice to see u back in full force, mallam al hamza  :lol:  :lol:

actions speak louder than words, find me a batch of scotish men that would go to iraq, palestine, chechenya, kashmir or philipine to fight jihad or let it be a crusade for them against oppression. Can you find any such? or Sir Mcevan with deu respect would you be able to find any scotish man that would finance a jihad against the oppressors?

Oya find me a batch of arabs/muslims that reject the actions of the Hamas, Hizbollah, abu sayaff, al quaeda and all their contemporaries, and would not so callously refer to indiscriminate suicide attacks as any form of legit 'resistance', and are ready to put their money and their lives on the line..

and btw, what are YOU doing for those oppressed muslims, eh? shouting to the high heavens on this forum?I believe i've asked u this question b4.

thats exactly what you people suffer from, you live in a totally different world. Reality is much different, you whites live in a matrix kind of world and for you we are the virus, which in fact is the reverse.

well lets just see how multidimentional and 'real' your world is, shall we?

TO LIBERATE PALESTINE, CHECHENYA, KASHMIR, IRAQ, PHILIPINE IS OUR DUTY.

Are these the only persecuted minorities in the world that you could think of, al hamza, the only groups for which scottish peeps should easily abandon their own families and sacrifice their hard-earned money and lives? why not for fellow long-sufferers tibet, hong kong? What about the kurds, what about northern ireland, the tamils of Sri Lanka? WHAT ABOUT THE SOUTHERN SUDANESE? Haba, why u dey do ajayi work for another pesin house when u neva finsh cleaning ya own? What about your fellow northern nigerian brethren, the majority of which live in utter depravity due to the apathy of their leaders? Which kin freedom be that? U no know say 'charity begins at home'? Are you putting the interests of some faraway folks b4 those of your own kin(surely that logic should fit in place with your racist leanings)

Have you ever heard of Western Sahara? What about the Congo? U think those ppl in the Niger Delta are happy? Are you sure the treatment of non-muslims in many so-called muslim nations cannot be improved? Did it ever occur to u that maybe, just maybe, the scots want to get the english yoke off their necks first, b4 thinking about others? Do I really need to go on?

Ansa kweshon!

[Anonymous]

I have a question who owns the land, According to history it is the Jews people , the Paletine are Immigrate...

[al_hamza]

I am not of a stock that boasts about what good they have done, thats why at an earlier post of yours i refused to say what i did for the people that are in problem deu to the imperialistic advances of the satanic US. But since you insist, i have worked free of cost(alhamdulillah) with an NGO for the betterment of AFGHANI refugees misplaced by american bombings. Plus the other things i have done are classified informations. Yes i have not had the chance to pick up arms thats because i have to have my parents permission till i am married to go for Jihad.
                As for the "hard earned money" thats the difference between a muslim and a kafir(non-believer) for you everything is in this world, what you earn in money for you is what you think legitimate for only yourself to enjoy, where as for a good muslim, thats what Allah(S.W.T) has given him to help other people with. Have you ever noticed the number of other relations staying happy and normal lives in a hausa mans house? how often do you see that in a yoruba mans house?
              And the problems of ireland, congo and other nations are their own ethnic or religeous problems, as muslims we are taught that all races are wiped, there is no white or black for a good muslim, there's only muslim or non muslim according to the teachings of our Prophet (S.A.W). As for Sudan, isnt america on it? how many people have died from the famine which arose from the sanctions that holy america has enforced on sudan?

LIONGER TO ARGUE WITH YOU IS AS IF TO SAY THAT YOU ARE ACCEPTED AS AN OPPONENT THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WHEREAS FOR YOU, AS WHAT THE ARABS SAY "THE CROW WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WHITE" (A CROW IS BLACK IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW)

AS FOR THE GUEST,
LET ME SHED SOME HISTORY FOR YOU,
THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF JURESALAM AREA BEFORE THE JEWS WHERE THE ARYANS, BEFORE THEM THE BABYLIONIC PEOPLE, BAR BARS, GERMANS, SOME CENTRAL ASIAN AND A FEW OF AFGAN TRIBES MAKE UP THE ORIGINAL ARYAN SOCIETY, SO WHY NOT ASK THE JEWS AND PALESTINIANS TO QUIT THAT LAND AND HAND IT OVER TO THE BAR BAR THAT WE HAVE IN NORTHERN AFRICA? SINCE THOSE BAR BARS ARE RAMPANTLY KILLED IN AREAS LIKE ALGERIA, TUNISIA LIBYA AND MORROCO OVER LAND DISPUTE? MY FRIEND TALK SENSE,

I HAVE ASKED IT BEFORE AND I WILL POSE THE QUESTION AGAIN,

THE RED INDIANS WERE MASSACRED BY THE INVADING EUROPEANS, IF ACCORDING TO THE MUSIC THAT THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS LOVE PLAYING, THAT THE PALESTINIAN AREA WAS ORIGINALLY ISRAEL AND AS SUCH LEGITIMISE THE JEWISH NATION, THEN WHAT SHOULD BE DONE OF THE AMERICAS? :) IT SIMPLY MEANS THE AMERICANS SHOULD ALL LEAVE THEIR LANDS AND PROPERTIES TO THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS!

IF ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO EXIST THEN CANADA, US, MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, PANAMA, BOLIVIA, CHILE, ARGENTINA, BRAZIL, VENEZUELA, HONDURAS E.T.C HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXIST, AND IF ALL THESE AMERICAN NATIONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST THEN ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST.

IT IS INTRESTING TO NOTE THAT ALL THESE NATIONS WERE BUILT BY DEMOLISHING, ENSLAVING OR WIPING OUT RED INDIAN SOCIETIES, WHEREAS THE JEWS LEFT FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD IN SEARCH OF BETTER LIVELIHOODS, NO ONE FLUSHED THEM OUT, SO ONCE YOU LEAVE A PLACE (AS THE WHOLE JEWISH NATION DID) YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER IT, ESPECIALLY AFTER A THOUSAND YEARS.

UNDERSTOOD?

[Anonymous]

al_hamza, So you would agree with me, that since other people have been on the land before the Jews people.. Then if the Palestine want to steal the land from them.. They should fight... And one on one between the two... Jews would win...

I think all Palestine should be move over to syran or Iraq or iran or saudia arabia... so that we all have peace.. hope you agree with me... the new Head of Hamas at the moment is from Eypgt but claim to be Palestine... Immigrate dreaming big....

[Anonymous]

al_hamza, So you would agree with me, that since other people have been on the land before the Jews people.. Then if the Palestine want to steal the land from them.. They should fight... And one on one between the two... Jews would win...

I think all Palestine should be move over to syran or Iraq or iran or saudia arabia... so that we all have peace.. hope you agree with me... the new Head of Hamas at the moment is from Eypgt but claim to be Palestine... Immigrate dreaming big....

is this the spirit of Islam to destroy everything and everyone...just like the fulani is destroying plateau state now.. and how the fulani made the Hausa slave forever.

[Khalil]

Salamu Alaikum,

am... Aminuddeen been xtra busy, will try n answer dat question when I come up tomorrow. My boss is on me now with a heap data analysis to be made.

Al_Hamza, Lionger, Mr David we are all welcome back.

I wish  all well

I am most grateful

Waziri

[lionger]

I am not of a stock that boasts about what good they have done, thats why at an earlier post of yours i refused to say what i did for the people that are in problem deu to the imperialistic advances of the satanic US. But since you insist, i have worked free of cost(alhamdulillah) with an NGO for the betterment of AFGHANI refugees misplaced by american bombings. Plus the other things i have done are classified informations. Yes i have not had the chance to pick up arms thats because i have to have my parents permission till i am married to go for Jihad.

Please stick to NGO work, don't waste your life! Why didn't you answer my first question?

As for the "hard earned money" thats the difference between a muslim and a kafir(non-believer) for you everything is in this world, what you earn in money for you is what you think legitimate for only yourself to enjoy, where as for a good muslim, thats what Allah(S.W.T) has given him to help other people with. Have you ever noticed the number of other relations staying happy and normal lives in a hausa mans house? how often do you see that in a yoruba mans house?

lol some of ur arguments are so crudely and careless slapped..Did u read this thing b4 u posted it? Abeg check again: does your second sentence really have anything to do with the first?

And the problems of ireland, congo and other nations are their own ethnic or religeous problems,

O yea? so why should palestine be any concern of yours, or that of scotsmen? maybe that's what they've been saying all the while heheehe. who dash you multi-dimensional world view  :roll: ?

as muslims we are taught that all races are wiped, there is no white or black for a good muslim, there's only muslim or non muslim according to the teachings of our Prophet (S.A.W).

Is this an excuse for your penchant for incoherent arguments without regard for religious and ethnic make-up? compare and contrast the former and latter quotes:

Why is it a must that its what the white man that says is right? why cant Mandela be right? why must bush be right? are you suffering from inferiority complex? And sub-conciously matching your brains with the oyimbo so that he'd treat you as an equal?

my friend, you are a long, long way from being color-blind.

As for Sudan, isnt america on it? how many people have died from the famine which arose from the sanctions that holy america has enforced on sudan?

every small tin america this, america that.  Have you ever heard of the Lost Boys?

LIONGER TO ARGUE WITH YOU IS AS IF TO SAY THAT YOU ARE ACCEPTED AS AN OPPONENT THAT KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WHEREAS FOR YOU, AS WHAT THE ARABS SAY "THE CROW WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WHITE" (A CROW IS BLACK IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW)

???

And you still did not answer my last question, though doing that would have been stating the obvious: that naturally u did not care about the sufferings of the oppressed kafir (if i may borrow that word). Which of course makes nonsense of your claiming to live for the world beyond. Sure, u're ready to die in battle, but for the palestinians and select others, not for, say, a bunch of orphaned dimka children at the mercy of the elements and the wild. nah, if u truly were not living for this world, u would love even the jews and americans. i'll leave it at that for now..