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I will tell u my own reasons for saying so. Just give me some time.

why 'must' pwer shift back to the north? shebi the east, south-south, middle belters never get their own chance at the top??

Yes, after 8 years with the South power should to the North.

salam

I think we in the North have shown magnamity by volutarily ensuring that a southerner becomes president in 1999 (OBJ and Falae). I believe our elders achieved this through dialogue and finesse, something the policians in the south don't understand much.

It is now unwise to start calling for the presidency to rotate back to the North when the same elders can manoeuvre their ways, skillfully, in what ever party they so choose too. The reality is, even if we dont clamour for the presidency and someone of Buhari's or Atiku's or IBB's calibre stand  for election, then there really isn't any electible (and credible)  candidate from the south who can run against them.

I understand this shouting for power rotation to be a form of preemption. That is to say loud and clear, with 2 years to go, that even presenting a challenge is a loosing proposition by any candidate south of the Niger. That is clever. But to take this concept to heart literally, like many have done in the North, is pretty unsophisticated and cowardly.

Anyone calling for Igbo candidates to withdraw from the race is not a democrat. They should, by all means, be allowed to run. But they should be defeated squarely and unequivocally in the primaries so that any charge by others as to the North being undemocratic or power hungry can be quashed outright.
In this respect, there is really not much to worry about folks!

The main challenge, I believe is who will emerge as the consensus candidate for the North in 2007. I think it is on this point that we should dwell most on because it's the one that will determine whether the powershift is indeed something that will benefit the North.

As someone here in the US said "Vote or Die".
We in the North should chorus, Vote Buhari or loose

My opinion!

Quote from: "myadudu"salam

I think we in the North have shown magnamity by volutarily ensuring that a southerner becomes president in 1999 (OBJ and Falae). I believe our elders achieved this through dialogue and finesse, something the policians in the south don't understand much.

It is now unwise to start calling for the presidency to rotate back to the North when the same elders can manoeuvre their ways, skillfully, in what ever party they so choose too. The reality is, even if we dont clamour for the presidency and someone of Buhari's or Atiku's or IBB's calibre stand  for election, then there really isn't any electible (and credible)  candidate from the south who can run against them.

I understand this shouting for power rotation to be a form of preemption. That is to say loud and clear, with 2 years to go, that even presenting a challenge is a loosing proposition by any candidate south of the Niger. That is clever. But to take this concept to heart literally, like many have done in the North, is pretty unsophisticated and cowardly.

Anyone calling for Igbo candidates to withdraw from the race is not a democrat. They should, by all means, be allowed to run. But they should be defeated squarely and unequivocally in the primaries so that any charge by others as to the North being undemocratic or power hungry can be quashed outright.
In this respect, there is really not much to worry about folks!

The main challenge, I believe is who will emerge as the consensus candidate for the North in 2007. I think it is on this point that we should dwell most on because it's the one that will determine whether the powershift is indeed something that will benefit the North.

As someone here in the US said "Vote or Die".
We in the North should chorus, Vote Buhari or loose

My opinion!

What do you mean by North... Do you call Yorubas in Kwara state or kogi state North...

Redefine your north... What do you mean by power shift to the north.. why dont you call it power shift to the Hausa /fulani... Can a Tiv man become president, can an Igalla man or Igbirra man, or Jukun man become president, what you hausa/fulani is still the same thing power shift to the hausa fulani...


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mrguest.

I dont intend to argue with you because honestly, you are one who doesn't like the truth when told one.
I will, however, say this much.

1) By geography, tradition and historically both Kwara and Kogi Yorubas are Northerners. Eg. Abubakar Sola Saraki or Sunday Awoniyi or Rear Admiral Mohammed Lawal or Maj Gen. A K Adisa. There are also non Yorubas in those areas that consider themselves Northerners. A Okene, A Atta etc.

2) If you have read my post, which I  believe you haven't, then you will have seen where I said It is now unwise to start calling for the presidency to rotate back to the North when the same elders can manoeuvre their ways, skillfully, in what ever party they so choose too. .  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to explain what I said.

3) Even if I said that power should rotate back to the North, I did not define who that Northerner might be. By the definitions of the MBF           (middle belt forum) anyone from pleateau, benue, kogi, kwara, taraba, Niger, S-Kaduna, S-Bauchi, S-Gombe, S- Kebbi , S-Adamawa and S-Borno is not a northerner but a minority middle belter. Included in my list of presidential contenders from the North are:  Atiku, IBB and Buhari. 2 of 3 of these gentlemen are, by the definitions of MBF- whom I suspect you support, not Northerners. So to charge me of denying non hausa-fulani the presidency is reprehensible.

4) You said, Can a Tiv man become president, can an Igalla man or Igbirra man, or Jukun man become president.... ? The answer is simple. ABSOLUTELY. Why not if I might ask?
Infact wasn't Gen. Gowon Angas? And if my recollection is right, he was the man who ruled Nigeria the most, bar OBJ completing his second term.

If one were to be fair, we would see that military leaders in NIgeria who were Hausa and or Fulanis, had the shortest time in office.
Buhari 2 years
Murtala < 1 year.

It is on this note that I will end. I promise not to respond to anything you say EXCEPT if it has basis in fact.

Tired of you brafgsauhgfsiuohoijewaybhrt. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

I was beig sarcastic in my first post. To be honest, I find this idea of 'rotational presidency' to be complete nonsense, and the plainest indictment of our democracy and electoral process (does that even exist in Nigeria?) I guess its a compromise for peace, given Nigeria's history, rather than actually electing the best man for the job. However given OBJ's record, we shouldn't expect things to change for the better.

It is a pity that at a time our country is bleeding economically, drowning in injustice and being torn to shreds in violence and crime.  Then we a generation with our education, exposure and experience are talking about power shift instead of talking about making life better for our people.  Do we really inspire hope for ourselves and those to come after us with this type of talk?  What does it matter if power goes to the north, south, east or west? Has our country and its people not suffered enough?  should that not be paramount in our discussions?  Should we not rather be fighting for justice by way of discussing how our leaders can be held accountable for their actions?  How many of us actually know the conditions of living of those nigerians from the riverine areas were we get about 90% of our foriegn earnings?  How many of us know the conditions of living the peoples in Kaura Namoda, Dausayi etc in whose names money is taken and spent yet their crop yeild is in a spiral downwards and the desert fast moving on them, with no school or clinic in a 500km radius and their children dying of malnutrition yet they have no voice? Can any power shift solve these? What is democratic if we pre determine the region of the president?  We may have been blinded and fooled by the present government with respect to power shift, but we must not allow them confuse us and make us even fight over the concept.  We must hold them accountable for their inability to lead the country and the total anarchy that is lurking around on the country.  Billions spent on NEPA yet no electricity, billion spent on refineries yet no fuel and the list is endless.

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Quote from: "myadudu"salam

I think we in the North have shown magnamity by volutarily ensuring that a southerner becomes president in 1999 (OBJ and Falae). I believe our elders achieved this through dialogue and finesse, something the policians in the south don't understand much.

It is now unwise to start calling for the presidency to rotate back to the North when the same elders can manoeuvre their ways, skillfully, in what ever party they so choose too. The reality is, even if we dont clamour for the presidency and someone of Buhari's or Atiku's or IBB's calibre stand  for election, then there really isn't any electible (and credible)  candidate from the south who can run against them.

I understand this shouting for power rotation to be a form of preemption. That is to say loud and clear, with 2 years to go, that even presenting a challenge is a loosing proposition by any candidate south of the Niger. That is clever. But to take this concept to heart literally, like many have done in the North, is pretty unsophisticated and cowardly.

Anyone calling for Igbo candidates to withdraw from the race is not a democrat. They should, by all means, be allowed to run. But they should be defeated squarely and unequivocally in the primaries so that any charge by others as to the North being undemocratic or power hungry can be quashed outright.
In this respect, there is really not much to worry about folks!

The main challenge, I believe is who will emerge as the consensus candidate for the North in 2007. I think it is on this point that we should dwell most on because it's the one that will determine whether the powershift is indeed something that will benefit the North.

As someone here in the US said "Vote or Die".
We in the North should chorus, Vote Buhari or loose

My opinion!

What do you mean by North... Do you call Yorubas in Kwara state or kogi state North...

Redefine your north... What do you mean by power shift to the north.. why dont you call it power shift to the Hausa /fulani... Can a Tiv man become president, can an Igalla man or Igbirra man, or Jukun man become president, what you hausa/fulani is still the same thing power shift to the hausa fulani...


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You see Mr. Guest and myyadudu, the issue of power rotation is really undemocratic but the fact that the south has over the years started agitating for it that is why we have to join them and salvage the whole situation For instance, the southerners have for now ruled Nigeria twice or at least for three times. it is now high time for the Hausa's to claim power since in the history of Nigeria no hausaman has ruled Nigeria. The Shagari and tafawa balewa are not hausas. The former is a fulani man from sokoto while the latter is Jarawa from bauchi state. So logically, the Hausa people too can fight for the no.1 seat like every other. Is not the Igbos or the Igala's that want Nigeria. Hope am making sense?  That is why i said 2007 power must come to d north

Quote from: "myadudu"We in the North should chorus, Vote Buhari or loose

My opinion!

Allah Amin!! I,m with you on this all the way!!

The reasons why I will agree with those that suggest buhari as a next president of nigeria is not for his origins (being from the north).  We must avoid reducing what he has done and what he can do for nigeria as a regional or northern matter.  In my veiw, when you look at the condition of our country and the present possible candidates for presidency, one can easily say he is the only person amongst the present possibles who is firm enough and honest enough to stop the decay in the country.  His ability is not because he is from the north or he is a muslim, so we should please look at his qualities rather than his origins.

Mr dudu, The North dead in 1967, Wake up...
People from Kwara are Yorubas, If a Yoruba man from Kwara or kogi decided to run for 2007, all of you would oppose him, saying he is a Yoruba man..

What Nigeria need is not a Northerner President , but a man who fears God and would not look down on other, Even if he is the Yoruba , Igbo or Hausa Or A Kanuri... Your People have to change, all this Power shift, what have the common man in Kano, or Jigawa benefited from 40 of Power in the north.. NOTHING...  Even if the north rule Nigeria for 100 years, thier life would not change... Only the life of thief like Abacha, IBB , Buhari , dikko and other would change... Let us tell our self the truth... What different did Obasanjo made to the life of a common yoruba man, nothing.. which project for five years did Obasanjo do in Yorubaland  nothing... let face the truth....
Obasanjo never serve the term of the Yorubas, Because the Yorubas never voted for him in 1999, How can a man serve your term , when you did not vote for him.. Obasanjo serve the term of those who voted for him, And they were all notherner, so I would says Obasanjo serve the term of the north from 1999.. we should not care where the President comes from but what he can do for the common, regardless or where the common is..


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Quote from: "lionger"To be honest, I find this idea of 'rotational presidency' to be complete nonsense, and the plainest indictment of our democracy and electoral process (does that even exist in Nigeria?) I guess its a compromise for peace, given Nigeria's history, rather than actually electing the best man for the job. However given OBJ's record, we shouldn't expect things to change for the better.

Emphasis added.

Lionger was dead right, Powershift was and is a compromise for peace. Our politicians believe the best thing to do to KEEP NIGERIA ONE is to introduce this concept in power game. So they ended up sacrificing EXCELENCE for MEDIOCRITY. And so it will continue as long as we insist that Nigeria must remain a Federation and one country.

Right from the creation of Nigeria this is what we have been doing: Giving EXCELENCE for MEDIOCRITY in the name of national unity. It is not true that we've not had good leaders. Infact for the most part of the years of our existence as Nigeria, we had more good people leading us than bad ones. Recall Tafawa Balewa, Yakubu Gowon, who served longest in the highest office only to grow broke to the extent that he could not even pay his children's school fees. There was Murtala/Obasanjo with their impeccable records. There was Shagari who left office with hardly a house of his own. There was Buhari and much later Abacha.

These people were undoubtedly good but they also failed in there bid to make Nigeria great. In their policies considering their circumstances, they were as worst as OBJ is doing now. Get the papers of those past years and read the commentaries of ppl like lionger, myadudu, Nuruddeen, Mallamt, Emtl, Kitkat, and mr. Guest. And undoutedly the reason of their( the past leaders) failure as we witness the failure of OBJ today is associated with the fact that they make compromises to UNITE NIGERIA at the EXPENSE of EXCELLENCE.

I respect Buhari, I worked for his camp during the last election. But really deep inside me is the belief that he too will fail just as OBJ is failing now. Even the way it is at the moment there is an opinion among many informed Nigerians that Buhari's past visits to USA is not without relation to America's bid to initiate him too. We should remember that OBJ was a staunch critic to the privatisation programme of IBB only for him to change now after many consultations with Washington/World Bank/IMF.

May Allah save our souls. May we have a country with its philosophies defined and pursued unlike Nigeria that is without philosophy at all.

b. However given OBJ's record, we shouldn't expect things to change for the better[/b].[/quote] Emphasis added.

Lionger was dead right, Powershift was and is a compromise for peace. Our politicians believe the best thing to do to KEEP NIGERIA ONE is to introduce this concept in power game. So they ended up sacrificing EXCELENCE for MEDIOCRITY. And so it will continue as long as we insist that Nigeria must remain a Federation and one country.

Right from the creation of Nigeria this is what we have been doing: Giving EXCELENCE for MEDIOCRITY in the name of national unity. It is not true that we've not had good leaders. Infact for the most part of the years of our existence as Nigeria, we had more good people leading us than bad ones. Recall Tafawa Balewa, Yakubu Gowon, who served longest in the highest office only to grow broke to the extent that he could not even pay his children's school fees. There was Murtala/Obasanjo with their impeccable records. There was Shagari who left office with hardly a house of his own. There was Buhari and much later Abacha.

These people were undoubtedly good but they also failed in there bid to make Nigeria great. In their policies considering their circumstances, they were as worst as OBJ is doing now. Get the papers of those past years and read the commentaries of ppl like lionger, myadudu, Nuruddeen, Mallamt, Emtl, Kitkat, and mr. Guest. And undoutedly the reason of their( the past leaders) failure as we witness the failure of OBJ today is associated with the fact that they make compromises to UNITE NIGERIA at the EXPENSE of EXCELLENCE.

I respect Buhari, I worked for his camp during the last election. But really deep inside me is the belief that he too will fail just as OBJ is failing now. Even the way it is at the moment there is an opinion among many informed Nigerians that Buhari's past visits to USA is not without relation to America's bid to initiate him too. We should remember that OBJ was a staunch critic to the privatisation programme of IBB only for him to change now after many consultations with Washington/World Bank/IMF.

May Allah save our souls. May we have a country with its philosophies defined and pursued unlike Nigeria that is without philosophy at all.[/quote]

Mr.Waziri and lionger I beg to disagree. For lionger, I think yu have to understand the political exigencies of the moment. OBJ will never take us to the promise landand by virtue of what is happening, you don't have to be told that this present set of government has failed woefully in all ramifications. So when we say power must shift to the north it should pls, because I believe if people like Buhari for instance that some believe is capable will no doubt save our situation. But the issue is will he be given the chance???

And like i said earlier, the North has every right to claim power especially the Hausas since the Ndigbos and yorubas are mischievously agitating for such.

For Waziri, Nigerian leaders of yester years are better than the current crop of personalities. I.e you can't compare people like sardauna, murtala, shagari and aminu kano for instance to Wabara, Anyim, Shinkafi, Mahmud waziri , Jubril aminu and co.

Though i understand that the trouble with Nigeria lies mainly on cultural diversities and to some degree tribalism and the only solution is to segregate if at all we have to....

QuoteFor Waziri, Nigerian leaders of yester years are better than the current crop of personalities. I.e you can't compare people like sardauna, murtala, shagari and aminu kano for instance to Wabara, Anyim, Shinkafi, Mahmud waziri , Jubril aminu and co.

Yes that is it but how about including people like Buhari in the list of our present crop of leaders? The logic is we had leaders in the past that were bad and some were good. And we have leaders now that are bad and those that are good. But the strory is the same that even good people who led Nigeria in the past failed and, God save my spirit, even those that are good now if they assume leadership in Nigeria will fail woefully. The problem is not the badness or goodness of our leaders but the Nigerian Nation itself... as you rightly observed.

Also I do not think linoger meant to say OBJ shouldn't be judged. He only observed a major flaw in our political structure which always force good leaders to give out Excellence for Mediocrity in the name of political EXPEDIENCY in their bid to keep the nation one.