For Christians and Muslims Only

_Waziri_ · December 01, 2004, 10:21:26 AM

Assalamu Alaikum,

Dear forumnites, the following are the 13 places in the Qur'an where Allah mentions Christians. I bring this up for our Christian brothers to see for themselves what Qur'an says about them. Though many of the verses here are not easily understood without taking the context, the story line, in which they appear in the Qur'an. But some, of course, are statements that are very absolute and represent a strong closing remark about the relationship between Muslims and Christians. For example, in 5:82, it is said:....and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe, (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

This verse actually is absolute in its categorization and it meanas to say an eternal truth. Thus my relationship with Christians is always guided by this verse. I hope our Christian brothers up here and other Muslims with particular reference to Al-Hamza will find meaning in what I believe should form the paradigm, the worldview of all of us.

Thank you once again,
I remain most loyal

_____________________________________________________________

The Cow

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

The Dinner Table

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

The Immunity

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

The Pilgrimage

[22.17] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things.

alhaji_aminu · December 01, 2004, 05:15:45 PM

Salam

Waziri May Allah reward you for sharing this info with us. And Barka da Sallah...

I think humankind has known, by now, the tolerance and scholarship Islam brought to the World. For this, we must be proud. The story of Umar (RA), when he took control of the city of Quds, is a clear example of the authentic Islamic approach to dealing with dhimmis.

By the way, can you please enlighten us on the virtues of Sitta Shawwal. I have done this every year but I cannot say for sure why?

mlbash · December 02, 2004, 11:54:41 AM

waziri why not for all? the jews,hindu and all can equally view and determine for themselves the wisdom inthere.

that was a nice piece, ALLAH yasaka.

mrguest · December 02, 2004, 06:11:21 PM

Quote from: "_Waziri_"Assalamu Alaikum,

Dear forumnites, the following are the 13 places in the Qur'an where Allah mentions Christians. I bring this up for our Christian brothers to see for themselves what Qur'an says about them. Though many of the verses here are not easily understood without taking the context, the story line, in which they appear in the Qur'an. But some, of course, are statements that are very absolute and represent a strong closing remark about the relationship between Muslims and Christians. For example, in 5:82, it is said:....and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe, (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

This verse actually is absolute in its categorization and it meanas to say an eternal truth. Thus my relationship with Christians is always guided by this verse. I hope our Christian brothers up here and other Muslims with particular reference to Al-Hamza will find meaning in what I believe should form the paradigm, the worldview of all of us.

Thank you once again,
I remain most loyal

_____________________________________________________________

The Cow

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

The Dinner Table

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

The Immunity

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

The Pilgrimage

[22.17] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things.

so what is your point

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Indabawa · December 02, 2004, 08:15:55 PM

Quote from: "mrguest"
Quote from: "_Waziri_"Assalamu Alaikum,

Dear forumnites, the following are the 13 places in the Qur'an where Allah mentions Christians. I bring this up for our Christian brothers to see for themselves what Qur'an says about them. Though many of the verses here are not easily understood without taking the context, the story line, in which they appear in the Qur'an. But some, of course, are statements that are very absolute and represent a strong closing remark about the relationship between Muslims and Christians. For example, in 5:82, it is said:....and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe, (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

This verse actually is absolute in its categorization and it meanas to say an eternal truth. Thus my relationship with Christians is always guided by this verse. I hope our Christian brothers up here and other Muslims with particular reference to Al-Hamza will find meaning in what I believe should form the paradigm, the worldview of all of us.

Thank you once again,
I remain most loyal

_____________________________________________________________

The Cow

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

The Dinner Table

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

The Immunity

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

The Pilgrimage

[22.17] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things.

so what is your point

Forumites,

Ridiculous,absolutely ridiculous!

Hey guys! can't you see that our "blind,deaf and dumb" mrguest does not even understand what Waziri was trying to highlight with the divine admonitions?

Our friend is in a serious need of prayers, so as to salvage him and his ilk from the "condemned",whom we were told that;"..seeing they see not;hearing they hear not..."

Waziri,i say kudos and may God bless your effort so that people like mrguest would understand.Amen!Amen!!

mlbash · December 04, 2004, 03:14:27 PM

MAY BE MRGUEST HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH US, SO PLS ALLOW HIM TO SAY HIS MIND, MR INDABAWA.

_Waziri_ · December 07, 2004, 11:56:21 AM

Thank you all for your kind remarks. Amin, I will insha Allah try an essay about these rites in Islam. On your example of tolerence from Umar bin Al-Khattab, I think its parallel are always seen from Muslims even in modern times.

Senegal is a nation with Muslims population of about 95% but they had a Christian leader for almost two decades. Adbu diof that was to succeed the Chistian man had a Catholic wife. Compare this with Americans tolerating the thought that their first lady being a member of Al-qaeda network or even having a Muslim leader.

Yoruba Land · December 07, 2004, 05:43:42 PM

Not only that Mr. Waz, I think you will need to write another essay on this tolerance thing. The stories are many which I belive you know of.

mrguest · December 09, 2004, 04:44:51 AM

Quote from: "Indabawa"
Quote from: "mrguest"
Quote from: "_Waziri_"Assalamu Alaikum,

Dear forumnites, the following are the 13 places in the Qur'an where Allah mentions Christians. I bring this up for our Christian brothers to see for themselves what Qur'an says about them. Though many of the verses here are not easily understood without taking the context, the story line, in which they appear in the Qur'an. But some, of course, are statements that are very absolute and represent a strong closing remark about the relationship between Muslims and Christians. For example, in 5:82, it is said:....and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe, (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

Idabawa me and you they fight... what is wrong....

listen to nigeria radio

http://nigeriacom.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=nigeria13

listen to nigeria radio

http://nigeriacom.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=nigeria13

This verse actually is absolute in its categorization and it meanas to say an eternal truth. Thus my relationship with Christians is always guided by this verse. I hope our Christian brothers up here and other Muslims with particular reference to Al-Hamza will find meaning in what I believe should form the paradigm, the worldview of all of us.

Thank you once again,
I remain most loyal

_____________________________________________________________

The Cow

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

The Dinner Table

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

The Immunity

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

The Pilgrimage

[22.17] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things.

so what is your point

Forumites,

Ridiculous,absolutely ridiculous!

Hey guys! can't you see that our "blind,deaf and dumb" mrguest does not even understand what Waziri was trying to highlight with the divine admonitions?

Our friend is in a serious need of prayers, so as to salvage him and his ilk from the "condemned",whom we were told that;"..seeing they see not;hearing they hear not..."

Waziri,i say kudos and may God bless your effort so that people like mrguest would understand.Amen!Amen!!

mrguest · December 09, 2004, 11:32:24 PM

Quote from: "mrguest"
Quote from: "Indabawa"
Quote from: "mrguest"
Quote from: "_Waziri_"Assalamu Alaikum,

Dear forumnites, the following are the 13 places in the Qur'an where Allah mentions Christians. I bring this up for our Christian brothers to see for themselves what Qur'an says about them. Though many of the verses here are not easily understood without taking the context, the story line, in which they appear in the Qur'an. But some, of course, are statements that are very absolute and represent a strong closing remark about the relationship between Muslims and Christians. For example, in 5:82, it is said:....and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe, (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

So Ida why the hate now?..

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Idabawa me and you they fight... what is wrong....

listen to nigeria radio

http://nigeriacom.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=nigeria13

listen to nigeria radio

http://nigeriacom.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=nigeria13

This verse actually is absolute in its categorization and it meanas to say an eternal truth. Thus my relationship with Christians is always guided by this verse. I hope our Christian brothers up here and other Muslims with particular reference to Al-Hamza will find meaning in what I believe should form the paradigm, the worldview of all of us.

Thank you once again,
I remain most loyal

_____________________________________________________________

The Cow

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

The Dinner Table

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

The Immunity

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

The Pilgrimage

[22.17] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things.

so what is your point

Forumites,

Ridiculous,absolutely ridiculous!

Hey guys! can't you see that our "blind,deaf and dumb" mrguest does not even understand what Waziri was trying to highlight with the divine admonitions?

Our friend is in a serious need of prayers, so as to salvage him and his ilk from the "condemned",whom we were told that;"..seeing they see not;hearing they hear not..."

Waziri,i say kudos and may God bless your effort so that people like mrguest would understand.Amen!Amen!!