Association of Arewa Professionals

[Boomer]

Hello Everybody. The topic will encompass all Professions. The forum will serve as a place where we can all contribute our skills and experience in finding various solutions to the already compounded problems to our Great Arewa Region and Country in General.

Please feel free to post your Question(s) ranging from Medicine, Law, Engineering, IT solutions, Accounting, Management, etc. A professional from the forum will answer them.

Disseminate this information to all Arewa Professionals residing within and outside Nigeria.

Please join the forum and make a difference "one Profession at a Time".

Regards

Boomer

[Anonymous]

Boomer, u might as well check out a topic titled Norther Stars. U can relate to it, cuz its dealin with the same issues u r on about.

[Boomer]

Actually Ummi, I anticipate all those Arewa professionals to discuss lots of the problems facing Arewa. The Nortnern Star forum is about who is who in Arewa.

Boomer

[Blaqueen]

Northern Stars... who is who with a positive message!!!... ?;) so that when people ask.. whut have Northerners contributed to the development of the Nigerian Nation.. i can mention A LOT of names... ;D

back to the topic...
i have a question for the Shariah experts...
Can adulterers be reported? or do they have to turn themselves in?

[Anonymous]

OK.........Boomer

[Boomer]

Fornication (Zina, Zanah, Porneia, Porno) is voluntary sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married to each other. Adultery is one type of fornication.

Though I am not an expert in Islamic Law, I think an adulteress and Adulterer can be reported to the Authority or they can turn themselves. In the case where they are reported to the authority, there must be four witnesses to testify. Adultery carries various punishments depending on the marital status of the person committing the offence. According to Islamic Law (Shari’a), if the person is married, the punishment is stoning to death. If the person is not married, the punishment is 100 lashes. For additional information on Adultery according to Quran and Sunnah, you go read: http://muttaqun.com/adultery.html

In the Christian Law, the punishment for committing Adultery is death. You can read http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/mat5.html - 28 (Matthew 5:28-30).

In the Hebrew Law, the punishment for committing adultery is also death. You can read http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/lev20.html - 10 (Leviticus 20:10-21)

Boomer

[Blaqueen]

but in all the hadeeths concerning the punishment.. people turned themselves in... no one was reported... and since Allah says "if one repents", He'll forgive them...
shouldnt it be up to the people themselves to turn themselves in, or repent by themselves...??
and stoning was not mentioned in the Qur'an.. does this mean that the stoning punishment could be flexible? "confined to houses", "100 lashes"..

and ofcourse, the case has to be investigated well enough...
there was a hadeeth about a woman who reported herself to Caliph Umar...
she said... she slept with a man because she was thirsty and he said he wasnt going to give her water till she slept with him...
she left.. but later came back, because she was thirsty...
when Caliph Umar heard that... he excused her...

[Boomer]

What is it that is not clear to you? Is it the punishment or its severity? Is it the interpretation of the relevant verses in the Holy Quran concerning the issue? You are presenting a subjective opinion regarding the punishment and your Interpretation of the Hadiths.

As I mentioned earlier, I am not a Shari’a guru. Please try to stay focus on the subject matter. Indeed, fornication is a big problem in Northern Nigeria, thereby accelerated the proliferation of HIV/AIDS in our region, Country and Africa in general. The best remedy is to redress the root of the problems which Quran and Hadith has all the solutions therein. ?

What matters here is not the punishment but the uniform application of the law to both parties involved in the act of Adultery or any crime in that regard. Remember, there is nothing like selective believe in Islam. The concept of the religion is a total submission to our creator, Allah. ?There is no but or if. As you may know, the Quran is not subject to changes or amendments in order to be endorsed by any Government(s), Organizations, Activists or their proxies. We need to get ourselves out of the web of emotions, and then we can be able to see the hard knock reality.

Boomer

[Blaqueen]

yeah i get all that part... but still.. i dont think u understood my question... it's about "turning in"... should people turn themselves in? or be turned in?.... i havent come across any hadith that a person was reported...

can u ask a shariah guru for meeh? thank u!

[Blaqueen]

i really wanna clarify somethings... i found some of this info... Uncle Salisu.. plz ask some of your friends to help us out...

~The other schools, namely Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and even the Shia do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery].

~Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly."
Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband.

~Massoud Shadjareh, of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, opposes stoning sentences. He argues that amputations and stonings are supposed to be used only as a last resort, and only within those Islamic societies that have eliminated poverty and corruption.


"There is no but or if. As you may know, the Quran is not subject to changes or amendments in order to be endorsed by any Government(s), Organizations, Activists or their proxies. We need to get ourselves out of the web of emotions, and then we can be able to see the hard knock reality."
i beg to differ... first, no one mentioned anything about changing the Qur'an! it's here to STAY in its original state (no doubt about that)... but the interpretation of laws... is whut i'm talkin about... the school of thoughts.. and the likes of it...
Salam!

[Boomer]

This is the same due process similar to the laws in the community you are now living. If someone commits a crime, the person can either turn himself or herself to the appropriate authority, or a witness with a burden of proof can report and testify against the alleged offender. Also, the accused can present his/her witness to rightly testify against the accusation.

In Adultery hearings, the final process will be the witnesses will invoke the curse of Allah if they lie. In that case, the accused will not be stoned. The whole process that leads to a guilt or not guilt verdict you can refer to Quran 24:2-9 (An-Nur) and related hadith.

The question of turning yourself in or not isn’t important. As you are aware, there is nothing anybody can do that Allah doesn’t know about it. Either you turn yourself, or you will meet the wrath of Allah in this world or in the Hereafter.

Cao on this topic.

Boomer

[nura]

Queen and Boomer's exchages make very interesting reading and very inviting too. I can help but to join you guys probably because I have also been trying to say something on the Shari'a, zina, etc as practised in Nigeria today.

It is true that there is no stonning in the Holy Qur'an but there was incidences of stonning during the time of the Holy Prophet. Any practice of the prophet is Law and anything He forbids or allowed is also a Law. This is in the Holy Qur'an, hence stonning is Shari'ah, you cant believe in the Qur'an without believing in the person who received it.

To report Zina to the authorities(courts, police, etc) you must be able to prove it and to prove Zina you must produce Four (4) Witnesses who have seen them in the act and not just that they must have seen penetration.

So the answer to your question is yes! you can report adultery but that must be with Four witnesses who have seen penetration.

[nura]

Fyne Dyme is getting emotional about the interpretation of the law concerning adultery as per Maliki School of thought, especially in respect of a divorcee that is carrying a baby. As far as I am concerned there are two issues here that make people emotional. Firstly as evidenced by the Safiya and Amina's cases the men concerned were allowed to go free as there was no proof and second the only evidence against the women is the baby or the pregnancy which legally is correct.

The law is the law and it says to prove that the man committed adultery you have to bring four witnesses but a pregnant and unmarried woman is enough evidence to axe the woman. But there are alot of realities that we need to look at before charging any woman today. It is here that the Hadith quoted by FDQ come to mind, we are living witnesses to the abject poverty ravaging our land what if she has to do it to eat, cloth, shelter? How many state governments among the 12 shari'ah states that have provided all these to all widows/divorcees in their states. And what if she was raped?

A friend told me that Safiya Hussain actually said that the man raped her but the court didn't believe her or something. And considering the technological development Blood and DNA tests should be incorporated in the act/law.

[Blaqueen]

thanx for ur contributions..mr Mujahid
emotional? lol.. ok, call it whutever u want..  i'm juss seriously concerned, because it's a muslim life we're dealing with...
and i like the questioned u asked about "the government providing for the widows"

is there any kind of coverage that takes place about trials? because many of us dont know the exact thing that's happening. well, atleast i dont and many other people who dont know Shariah...
we juss keep hearing... she was raped, she wasnt, etc etc.. she was pregnant before Shariah was imposed.. blah blah..
we're suppose to know the real deal, so the people can have a say in this...

[nura]

Fyne Demme you dont understand at all. I am muslim because I believe that There is nothing worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is his messenger. since this is true I believe in the Holy Qur'an revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as a true revelation from Allah Almighty. Every Muslim must believe these to be Muslim! If you believe in the Holy Prophet (SAW), then you have to believe that whatever he did was the best of practices and he had never done wrong. The Prophet (SAW) had instructed the stonning of an adultress, that means stonning is very Islamic and not barbaric or primitive or whatever the westerners will call it.

We are muslims and we are proud of our religion. Islam is our way of life and Shari'a is the legal code that guides it, whether it is political or whatever actions are judge according to the intentions. I dont think is relevant whether we are there or not when these cases were heard. And reporters even from other countries covered these cases, they were free and fair. And for God's sake why are all these western atishari'ah element not complaining about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, etc, why here!!!!!

Fyne Dyme relax and let shari'a be in Nigeria. It is blasphemous to say that Shari'a is anti women, is a lie, it is not true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No you didn't say so, I am just digressing. Stay cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!