Mars Vacation

[nura]

Ok I am a Startrek Freak (Trekkie) with all the parapanellia that goes with it so also one Borg a member of this forum. He even uses the sign as his insignia. I seriously wont mind a trip to the final frontier in the USS Enterprise or Voyager.

On a serious note I will love to one day visit the moon even if not Mars. But with people like Baruti around I think the Mars Vacation is becoming a reality with every passing second.

What do you think of Space Vacation?

[gogannaka]

Kaai.it will be very very boring....whats up there to see anyway............but of course i wouldnt mind  a trip on the starship enterprise where they hav that halogram where u cud simulate everything,not to mention the fact that u dont hav to do any hardwork up there........


Where's Borg anyway? ? ?


Mr. O'brien beam Abumujahid up ;) ;D

[Baruti M. Kamau]

;) Salaamu alaikum my dear respected brothers in Islam.

I'm very much interested in exploring near earth asteroids, the moon and other planets in our solar system for new life (even humanoids), precious metals and minerals.  Business in space theoretically represent unfathomable opportunities ranging from supplementing earth's shrinking resources with abundant resources in space for example polar ice caps purportedly on the respective poles of our moon.  Or even to explore and mine a near earth asteroid for precious metals should yield a tremendous amount of information to the first company that succeeds in this endeavor.

Allah (swt) has encouraged us to seek the Unknown and Unseen of His creation.  So why aren't Muslims leading the race into space?  

[Ibro2g]

Well Abu, I'm a starwars fan! And I sure hope this historical event will be a reality. LOL GOggs. Yah where is Borg?


Mallam Baruti, one thing seems to amaze me though, You said"the moon and other planets in our solar system for new life (even humanoids)"
Do you honestly believe in extra terrestial life forms? I mean, I know Alien is just something unknown to man doesn't really mean it has to come from outta space but could there be life out there?
   Islamically the only "intelligent life" that could be found apart from us are the jinns! nothing more. If at all the "whites" are dreaming of an invasion, infestion or visit by aliens, then it has to be their own visions of the jinns. Thier world is in another dimention from ours, thats one. And its preety much a miracle, and wonder. A most fascinating place to our eyes. Made of light I suppose.
  Come to think of it there is more to explore on earth, but out there is all good. What really confuses people my man, are the possiblities. I'm looking forward to developments and advances.

[Baruti M. Kamau]

Islamically, Allah (swt) has made it clear that He is indeed the Lord of all the worlds.  He has made us aware of the Jinns, the Angels and the Devils.  He has also encouraged us to seek knowledge of the Unseen.  Indeed there is life outside planet Earth.  Humanoids on Earth are not the only intelligent creation of Allah (swt).

You know that's one of the most interesting aspects of Islam when you compare it to Christianity and other religions.  The Qur'an is the only divinely revealed book that attest to the fact that Allah (swt) has created everything on the Earth and beyond.  Everything that exist cannot exist without life.  Even if that life is as small as an amoeba or a particle.

There is life within our solar system it's just that we are not aware of it yet.  I'm pretty sure there is intelligent life on Mars.  I'm basing this on the United States, EU, Russia and Japan's preoccupation with landing and eventually colonizing the planet.  You know these governments have more knowledge concerning this topic than the general public.

Finally how do we know that the new species and new creations discovered on this Earth were not exported to Earth by our neighbors on other planets?  You better believe that Earthlings are not the only intelligent life in our Universe.

As more and more companies begin to do business in LEO and GEO, you better believe we'll begin having frequent contact with our neighbors out there.

Finally, if I were given the opportunity to be the first man to land and explore Mars, I'd do it...   8)

Well Abu, I'm a starwars fan! And I sure hope this historical event will be a reality. LOL GOggs. Yah where is Borg?


Mallam Baruti, one thing seems to amaze me though, You said"the moon and other planets in our solar system for new life (even humanoids)"
Do you honestly believe in extra terrestial life forms? I mean, I know Alien is just something unknown to man doesn't really mean it has to come from outta space but could there be life out there?
? ?Islamically the only "intelligent life" that could be found apart from us are the jinns! nothing more. If at all the "whites" are dreaming of an invasion, infestion or visit by aliens, then it has to be their own visions of the jinns. Thier world is in another dimention from ours, thats one. And its preety much a miracle, and wonder. A most fascinating place to our eyes. Made of light I suppose.
? Come to think of it there is more to explore on earth, but out there is all good. What really confuses people my man, are the possiblities. I'm looking forward to developments and advances.

[al_hamza]

MAN! lol, abu mujahid, Mars kake so ka je?
looooooooool.
anyways, i'd prefer going to the amazon jungle in brazil, or having the previledge of studying the Red-Indians and there lost culture, thanks to the christian missionaries that slaughtered them.

[lionger]

You know that's one of the most interesting aspects of Islam when you compare it to Christianity and other religions.  The Qur'an is the only divinely revealed book that attest to the fact that Allah (swt) has created everything on the Earth and beyond.  Everything that exist cannot exist without life.  Even if that life is as small as an amoeba or a particle.

I seriously doubt that Christianity or the Bible holds a different opinion, baruti.

anyways, i'd prefer going to the amazon jungle in brazil, or having the previledge of studying the Red-Indians and there lost culture, thanks to the christian missionaries that slaughtered them.

ah don't believe everything u hear al hamza. European settlers do not equate to christian missionaries by any stretch of the imagination. some native americans themselves hate christianity on their account, and frankly I don't blame them.


Anyways back to the topic of Mars vacation. It's quite fascinating, but then I can't help but think we have a long way to go: that 'vacation' trip to and fro, may last a couple of years, so how long is the vacation itself going to last?! And I certainly believe there is life outside of this earth, but i'm not  so hung up on it as some others are. UFOs are not something for which we should be worried or bothered. But going to the moon would be cool, Abu Mujahid  8).

[al_hamza]

Ah, lionger, i wonder how come you were polite, probably because you know the truth :),
well its clear and you can pick up your history books and see for yourself that spaniards slaughterd and i mean "massacared" the Incas, which was an empire ranging from chile to panama, consisting of five nations,
Panama, Chile, Bolivia, Venuzuela and one more, the name has escaped my mind.

[Ibro2g]

Columbus himself testified my brother.
But Lionger I kinda understand what u meant. Every colonial invasion is not necessary christian missions, but every christian mission is a colonial invasion.

[Baruti M. Kamau]

So what's going to happen on Mars?  Will it be invaded by Christian Missionaries or Muslim Fundamentalists?  Or will we see a secular government establish itself among warring spaceports?

[lionger]

hehehe al hamza i don't think i've made many rude posts on this forum. But be that as it may, this is a festive season for me, so enjoy it while you can  ;D.

You missed my point though. Of course the spaniards massacred the incas and aztecs and badly mistreated the rest of South America; that is an uncontested truth. In addition, they had an infamous Inquisition that cruelly persecuted Jews and other minorities. But a simple glance at history will tell us that these actions were born out of prejudice, jealousy, hatred and overwhelming greed, not religious zeal. Spain may have been predominantly catholic, but its army is not a band of christian missionaries. If they were, their weapons would be the Bible and the love of God, not swords, guns or any physical weapons. Christian missionaries seek to build up others, not destroy, and they do not care for personal wealth.The army that destroyed the incas was not sent by the church, it was sent by the state! Church and state were separate, even in those days!

Ibro, u are partially correct. NONE of the colonial invasions were christian missions, not ONE of them. ALL of them were driven by material gain, and general disdain for the natives. Missionaries did arrive later, and they did care for the ppl. For example, their work in colonial southern Nigeria is a big reason for the gap in literacy levels btw north and south. Most of the time missionaries were at odds with their home government, so to say christian missions are colonial invasions is hardly correct, except, of course, if you see christianity as the white man's religion. That is akin to Islam being the Arab man's religion.

So finally baruti, i don't think christian missionaries are interested in 'invading' Mars, since it has no human beings.  Their primary concern is the souls of men!

[Baruti M. Kamau]

::) lionger, I was being sarcastic since this discussion has moved from discussing a vacation to the planet Mars to a sensitive off-topic discussion concerning whether or not the Spaniards killed and colonized in the name of the state or the name of the church.

[lionger]

haha i'm sorry baruti, my fault. but then y did u mention muslim fundamentalists?

Anyways back to the subject. Let's look at the distance between Mars and Earth. Obviously this varies, since Mars' orbit is bigger and more elliptical than Earths'. The distance b/w both planets could range from 0.5 to 2.5 AU, (150 - 375 million km), if we ignore unfavorable and favorable opposition of both orbits. So at the least, it takes light a little more that four minutes to reach earth from mars, and vice versa. This definitely means that any trip to mars would take a very long time. The Surveyor spacecraft took 309 days to get there, that's more than two-thirds of the year! So exactly how long is the vacation  itself going to be?

Moreover, such a trip can only be staged durign the period when the earth and mars are aligned with the same side of the sun, if not we could end up having a mini-star trek voyage lol. I believe we had such a period a few months ago when mars was visible from the earth. Such time periods reoccur every 60-70 years, or so i've heard. So u better hurry Abu-mujahid  ;D

[nura]

Baruti if there is a  need for a second person on Mars after you i want to volunteer.

Lionger the craft to be used for any interplanetery expedition must be several times faster than the speed of light so it wont take years the only thing is the atronauts will gain years and by the time they reach Mars their age mates will be very old. And I totally agree with you those europeans that conquer the Amazons were Economic Missioneries not Christian.

[ummita]

Mhmmmmm Safe journey! :-X