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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2007, 06:36:21 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2007, 09:28:31 PM »
What a sad news i couldnt believe it abin takaice abin haushi....To Allah shirya wannan alamarin, kuma yasa mu dace. Ameen
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2007, 09:52:37 AM »
Yan Hausa film dinnan za su baiwa mutum kunya. Ni dai ina kare su ina basu suke bata al'ada ba kuma   gashinan za su je suyi wani abin da zai kashe wa mutum baki har abada. Wai naji a BBC yau an ce akwai wa'yansu da sukai pornographic hausa film da ya ke yawo a mobile phone. Yanzu an sa musu haddi a kan kowannen su kuma sun shiga buya.
Ni dai ban taba tsammanin akwai tsageru a cikin 'yan wasan kwaikwayon ba da za su iya samun karfin halin da zasu yi wannan abin alfasha din ba. Tir. Allah Ya Kiyaye mu.
I know how you feel. You would think that here you are busy defending them, and this is what they do. You feel you're let down, kind of. It wasn't even a "film" as the papers made it out to be. You can even hear the foolish, stupid girl asking the boy/man to please delete it after as she's not comfortable with it. He answered by saying she has nothing to fear, its just the two of them, and nobody can have access to it, he will delete it later bla bla.

I'm not defending them. I believe what happened was disgusting, disturbing, an abomination and, above all, damaging not only to the culprits (or the film industry), but to hausa society as a whole. But. But. Lets tarry a while and ask ourselves honest questions; Was what happened the first of its kind? Was it the worst kind of crime ever perpetrated on our society? I ask the above questions because such "mobile phone porno" has been going on for a while. I knew of a similar incident last year at Tiga Dam when a guy recorded such between him and girlfriend. It also got out of hand and the girl permanently enstranged from her family as a result. But it doesn't make the airwaves. Nor the headlines on our dailies. A porno was acted out and recorded, with intent (as against the Hiyana case) in Katsina (I won't mention unguwar) sometime back. The state govt intervened, the commisioner of police was informed and arrests were made. Again, nothing on the radios. Nothing on the papers. Just week I was watching NTA News Extra with Hauwa'u Gebi. The topic was child abuse prevention, a report from Suleija in Niger State. Out comes the report that a child of 3years was raped. Let me add that child raping is even a common occurence now such that when we hear or read on the papers, we only shake our heads and flip to the next page. So it amused me the kind of furore the Maryam Hiyana scandal generated. I won't go into the they are models, our children may copy from them issues. I believe Prof Abdallah has, as usual, dealt with that extensively and equitably.

I won't go as far saying we're backing the wrong tree, but I believe it goes beyond hausa film actors. Hausa film or no hausa film, the writing was there on the wall for all to see that the course toward societal collapse in our land had been charted long ago. Societal decay is the root. Unless we clean up our acts, reform our moral values and bring up our kids the right way, we will continue to climb our moral horses to abuse hausa film actors. They are not our problem. I will court controversy and say they are a reflection of what our society has become, is becoming or will become, given the signs now. As for Maryam Hiyana, Allah yasa wannan shine sanadiyar shiriya a gare ta. Allah yasa wannan ya zama hanyar shiyar da sauran 'yan fim, da kuma gyara harkar fim din gaba daya, amin.

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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2007, 07:29:00 PM »
Too true what you wrote up there BK. It is indeed the decayed moral of the Hausa society that is manifested. May I add what a bloody hypocritical society it is also. I am really living in a dynasauric age within my own world because I am constantly amazed that such things as mobile sharing of dirty video clips happen in a bonafide, morally watertight 110% 'dont do it!' finger wagging society like ours! I mean I think to myself that even in the west the youth dont really do that. They are interested in passing on the really bizzare or funny individualistic things that they did or what happens to be a one off snap shot of what could be potentially a world event in the making... but not pornostuff..or maybe because with them it is more readily accessible than in our society so they dont need the mobile as a medium so much. What ever it is, it is indeed not acceptable.
And yes we need to do something about the decadence that has creeped into our society. However only God Knows how we should tackle it, because it seems that there is no society today that is not vulnerable to the this pervasive moral poverty. Maybe decency in the way we dress is a starting point. The govt should also  step in and regulate the internet traffic in Nigeria as they do in China. It is really incumbent upon it to do so for the  good of the society.
Oh and last but not least. That poor Penguin forever condemned to be floored by its companion......so sad and funny....  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2007, 08:10:41 PM »
Yan Hausa film dinnan za su baiwa mutum kunya. Ni dai ina kare su ina basu suke bata al'ada ba kuma   gashinan za su je suyi wani abin da zai kashe wa mutum baki har abada. Wai naji a BBC yau an ce akwai wa'yansu da sukai pornographic hausa film da ya ke yawo a mobile phone. Yanzu an sa musu haddi a kan kowannen su kuma sun shiga buya.
Ni dai ban taba tsammanin akwai tsageru a cikin 'yan wasan kwaikwayon ba da za su iya samun karfin halin da zasu yi wannan abin alfasha din ba. Tir. Allah Ya Kiyaye mu.
I know how you feel. You would think that here you are busy defending them, and this is what they do. You feel you're let down, kind of. It wasn't even a "film" as the papers made it out to be. You can even hear the foolish, stupid girl asking the boy/man to please delete it after as she's not comfortable with it. He answered by saying she has nothing to fear, its just the two of them, and nobody can have access to it, he will delete it later bla bla.

I'm not defending them. I believe what happened was disgusting, disturbing, an abomination and, above all, damaging not only to the culprits (or the film industry), but to hausa society as a whole. But. But. Lets tarry a while and ask ourselves honest questions; Was what happened the first of its kind? Was it the worst kind of crime ever perpetrated on our society? I ask the above questions because such "mobile phone porno" has been going on for a while. I knew of a similar incident last year at Tiga Dam when a guy recorded such between him and girlfriend. It also got out of hand and the girl permanently enstranged from her family as a result. But it doesn't make the airwaves. Nor the headlines on our dailies. A porno was acted out and recorded, with intent (as against the Hiyana case) in Katsina (I won't mention unguwar) sometime back. The state govt intervened, the commisioner of police was informed and arrests were made. Again, nothing on the radios. Nothing on the papers. Just week I was watching NTA News Extra with Hauwa'u Gebi. The topic was child abuse prevention, a report from Suleija in Niger State. Out comes the report that a child of 3years was raped. Let me add that child raping is even a common occurence now such that when we hear or read on the papers, we only shake our heads and flip to the next page. So it amused me the kind of furore the Maryam Hiyana scandal generated. I won't go into the they are models, our children may copy from them issues. I believe Prof Abdallah has, as usual, dealt with that extensively and equitably.

I won't go as far saying we're backing the wrong tree, but I believe it goes beyond hausa film actors. Hausa film or no hausa film, the writing was there on the wall for all to see that the course toward societal collapse in our land had been charted long ago. Societal decay is the root. Unless we clean up our acts, reform our moral values and bring up our kids the right way, we will continue to climb our moral horses to abuse hausa film actors. They are not our problem. I will court controversy and say they are a reflection of what our society has become, is becoming or will become, given the signs now. As for Maryam Hiyana, Allah yasa wannan shine sanadiyar shiriya a gare ta. Allah yasa wannan ya zama hanyar shiyar da sauran 'yan fim, da kuma gyara harkar fim din gaba daya, amin.

You have said it all well bkg and also where i have read from hajiya's reply about the decency of dress code could be a starting point for the fixture of these issue which i think is a real good way of improving, as dressing modestly is a key to avoiding undesired situations. You can see that those that are studying abroad especially the younger generations come back with some sort of dress sense which are not under the islamic dress code but then the types of dinkuna that have made progression in nigeria as malam DB has noted is a serious case of fixing which all i can say for now or actually do is pray Allah kawo ranar ameen.
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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2007, 11:20:42 PM »
As a sort of postscript to my contirbutions to this thread, I just want to address the issue of why this particular case attracted so much public attention. There are many reasons.

First, curiosity factor. It is the first time such a thing is happening in the Hausa public. No matter how many "fone porns" have been made, this one is the first to leap from the exclusiveness of a private sphere into public space. The interest is not in the act itself, but the act of its being recorded, providing some perversive voyeuristic pleasure to viewers. For a society not used to public manifestations of sexuality, this is explosive. There are unconfirmed reports that clip has been burned on a CD, and somehow somone has been able to convert the clip into pictures and posters are being made.

Second, the celebrity factor. Maryam "Hiyana" Usman is a celebrity. In all societies, there is an unhealthy pre-occupation with celebrity lives. Just glance at the covers of Hello!, National Enquirer and other supermarket check-out magazines and see how celebrities lose their privacy in the hands of paparazzi. Don't forget, for instance, that the "celebrity factor" might have contributed to the accident that killed Princess Diana when the vehicle she was in was hotly pursued by the paparazzi. If this Hiyana Fone Porn was acted out by nonentities, no one would have shown the slightest interest. In all the discussions about the clip, the questions people keep asking are, "who is this Bobo?". Thus the focus is not on him, but on HER, and she becomes a focus only because she is a celebrity.

Third, she became a celebrity BECAUSE of the film industry. That is why the center of gravity of the discussions are on the film industry. She was just a plain ordinary star-stuck high school graduate, with stars in her eyes and made a beeline for the film industry in Kano because she wants to be the next "super star". The Hausa video film industry elavated her to her current status. It gave her an anchor and an identity. The direct sexuality promoted in the video films -- the source of concern to moralists, Islamicists and hypocrites as well -- made the girls a magnet to all and sundry. The Hausa video film female "super stars" FLAUNT their sexuality, both on and off-screen. Despite their claims that they do so to "educate" (ilimintarwa, wa'azantarwa are their mantras) about the real behavior of our daughters (no one seems to care about the sons), the simple fact remains that it is this flaunting of tjeir assets, as it were, that made them targets for every pervert. Unfortunately, being human, they soon got caught in the web of their own delusions.

Sex scandals have always followed celebrities; that this thing has spread like wild fire in northern Nigeria is because it has never happened on this magnitude before. We all remember Michael Jackson's travails over the various accusations of child abuse cases. Pee Wee Harman was also a focus of unwanted attention over his own personal behavior. All these are public figures and for some reason, the public expects them to be saints, even in areas where they don't serve the public. I mean the child abuse allegations against Michael Jackson had nothing to do with the power, quality and beauty of his music; but his music -- and the music industry -- suffered because of his misdemeanor. Pee Wee Harman remained one of the best children's actors the planet has ever seen. That he was caught in indecent exposure to himself in a theater has nothing to do with his popularity with children. Yet he suffered. George Michael was also caught by a police officer in a toilet in a sexual midemeanor case; that did not diminish the power of his song writing (try Jesus to a Child, for instance) -- yet he suffered. The examples are endless; so it is not only Maryam Usman; it is the entertaiment industry that is unforgiving to a public figure being private in public. Whether in Islamicist, Islamicate or non-Islamic societies.

As this bizarre drama unfolds, other revelations started emerging -- sex, drugs, debauchery -- all the typical things associated with super star status all over the world seemed to be deeply entrenced in the Hausa video film industry -- further nailing their coffin of moralitude. These were all AIRED on the various FM stations in Kano, further emphasizing that the Hausa video film stars are acting real life dramas in their films of sex, drugs and debauchery.

As I posted ealier, and before this Hiyana Hiatus, the central objection of the Islamicate environment to the Hausa video film was the mode of female representation, and I argued that the filmmakers found it easier to use transethnics to portray the raw form of female sexuality (at least to the closeted Hausa male youth) that is the main selling point of the films. What makes this Hiyana case more significant is that Maryam Usman is a pure Fula; not some confused transethnic from either Ibadan, Jos or Enugu. The moral compass then shifts from ethnicity to morality. Hausa video film directors have always held the mantra that modernity is aping as much of Europe as possible -- and only in SEXUAL representation. The good aspects of Europe -- good planning, discipline, simple respect for each other, order; things that are essentially Islamic -- are not important to them. What is important is what will sell. Ali Nuhu, the Hausa-speaking actor (and later producer and director) who pioneered the Hindi-to-Hausa cloning technique justifies Westernization of Hausa video film on the basis of progress and modernity. In an interview granted in Niger Republic, he justifies cloning American and Hindi films by arguing that

“The political systems in Nigeria and Niger Republic are based on Western models. Why didn’t these countries create their own unique political systems? The Western society is the most progressive in the world, and everyone is trying to copy them. Even Arabs, who are strongly attached to their religion and culture, are now aping Americans, in their mode of dress and other things. It is modernity, and you must go with the times, or you will be left behind.” Interview with Ali Nuhu, Ra’ayi (Niamey, Niger Republic) Vol 1 No 1, February 2005, p. 7.

Similarly, Mansura Isah, the most visible of the erotic dancers in Hausa video films, suggested that such dances reflect changing times by arguing that:

“It’s modernization. They may not approve, but they still like it, you understand? It’s modernity. We are only reflecting what is happening in the real world. You will see young girls and boys in real life going to a party and getting down; well we are only showing how they do it. And I can tell you the audience like the way we get down in the films. If not, they would not have bought them. If a film is to show all the girls in hijab (Islamic dressing) and no getting down, I swear the film will flop…But if you make a trailer of a film showing nubile girls dancing and getting down, the audience will whoop with approval; yet those who abuse us are those who will go the market and buy the films.” Mansura Isah, defending her craft, Mudubi, July August 2005, No 11, p. 7).

This insistence on "modernity" as "sexuality" is what led to the current Hiyana Hiatus. Other forms of scandals have been rocking the Hausa video film industry, and one notices. There were cases of financial embezzlement, fist-fights between stars, etc. All these were not important because they don't deal with sexuality. Other occupational groups also engage in their own scandals -- lurid tales of Ustazai having a fling with their pupils abound; yet these are not taken on the same magnitude as the current case simply because Ustazai don't go about flaunting their sexuality. It is ironic, that the Hausa video filmmakers who insist on the "sex sells" filmmaking theory, and most of whom have been halted in the industry (by leaders who no cleaner themselves, as other revealations emerge) are now saying they have HALTED film production until further notice! The irony is that when the previous Kano State government announced this move in 2000 to to constant complaints from the moral bridage about the potentials for "batsa" in Hausa video films, the industry was up in arms. Lallai reshe ya juyewa mujiya!

I really feel sorry for this girl; sorry for the sheer hell she must be going through right now. This is something that will haunt her -- and possibly her children -- for the rest of her life. I pray that she has the faith to keep going -- because in some other societies, this is enough to drive her over the edge where she either becomes a lunatic or simply kill herself. Her faith will keep her going, and she must stick to the faith. I agree that there is a need to clean up the moral act in our communities. However, we cannot expect filmmakers to be saints while remain sinners; for we are all sinners and should seek Allah's forgiveness for our sins. Ya Allah ka yi mana gafara, Amin.

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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2007, 04:09:37 AM »
Very Erudite professor. Wish I could dissect issues half as well as u can.
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2007, 09:01:25 AM »
Be that as it may, why this morbid, and almost near-fever eagerness to condemn Hausa films stars? You talk about financial embezzlement, drug use/dealings etc in the industry. I don't think such crimes are so criminal that they are worthy of embelishing someone, within the Nigerian context. Are such vices not even the norm in this country? Isn't that child that was raped (the one in Kano even died) more worthy of our attention? Weren't those kids on the streets killing, maiming, stealing worth our attention? What about that would-be rapist, ready to paunce on our little girls? Or those 'alhazai' with guest houses in Nassarawa GRA, where young girls, and boys, are "used" and brutallized on a daily basis? Or those homosexuals on the prowl? By the way homosexuality is even a way of life these days. Wasn't a chief Imam in Kano caught in the act a year or two ago? A guy went on a pleasure ride on a bike on a major street in katsina with his karuwa, both of them drunk and NAKED. On arrival at the destination, bottles of beer were poured on them by their mates. Wai su sha suyi wanka! Did we hear about it? Of course no. Yet we say Hausa films are not reflecting our society? That's a laugh to me. Cos I know we are either being hypocritical, blind to the truth, foolish or all.

Examples were made on western countries where films also went through such public scrutiny, and are always on the public eye. Fine. But those societies also make attemps to shore up the rot in their society. They take corruption seriously. They take issues like education, child upbringing and employment with the importance they deserve. They care for their ppl. Of course legislations or policy pronouncements were made once in a while to attempt to whip film industry in line, but they never believe for once that the film industry is responsible, or is a potential weapon for societal decay. They never see it as the root, or the cause of their problems. They do not look at it from that angle. As a result, attention and resources are channeled toward the right direction. Accusing fingers are pointed on the right culprit. Societal rot and decadence. The film industry is not the cause (potential or otherwise) of our social/moral decay. It is the result
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2007, 09:25:32 AM »


Ni na gaji da wannan thread din na Hausa films na bata al'adununmu na Hausa 'masu kyau'...
Lets concentrate on something esle.

Haba my sister! Allow the guy to  express his feelings. I think even if something of this nature is discussed here, we need to give him a chance to say what he wants to say. Many thanks Husna.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2007, 10:51:25 AM »
Very Erudite professor. Wish I could dissect issues half as well as u can.

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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2007, 01:31:26 PM »
To ai ma baku ji abin haushi ba, wai fiancé din ta yace wai he will still marry her, even if the entire men of kano slept with her he will still marry her. In ba dan iska ba, da wanda bai da hankali ba, wani wawan na miji will see his girlfriend/ fiance what ever commit such an immoral act and still be with her? Haba haba? Wannan ai abin kunya ne. Unless he also a similar case  buried somewhere yet to be exposed.

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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2007, 02:12:32 PM »
To ai ma baku ji abin haushi ba, wai fiancé din ta yace wai he will still marry her, even if the entire men of kano slept with her he will still marry her.

What's wrong with that Gimbiya? He wants to marry her, that is great. At least he is making an honest woman out of her and giving her a new lease of life and a new self respect in sha Allah. Tun da Allah ma Ya gafarta mana zunuban mu why should we not forgive each other? Granted she did terribly wrong. But there are millions who have done what she did and they were never found. That is the difference between her and others. Kuma it is not like taci amanar wani that is her husband. She is single so her sin is strictly between her and her God, and haddi kissa ma bai hau kanta ba.
Lets show more compassion for her despite everything, and keep the judgemental sword sheathed; mu kuma dada rokon Allah Ya Kiyaye mu da zuri'ar mu gabaki daya.
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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2007, 03:24:21 PM »
Tabdi jam, ai wannan lamarin ina ganin mazane
yakamata su ba Gimbiya amsa.  Its very hurtning
to see your fiancee in this situation, and i doubt
in za a samu wani namiji wanda zai ga irin wannan
halin da yarinyar nan ta shiga kuma ya cigaba da
relationship din.  Its possible a samu, amma zai yi
wuya.

Kamar yanda mata basu sun kishiya, haka muma
muke da kishi, especially, where you have entrusted
all your love and heart to her.  Kai - abin da ciwo.
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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2007, 04:50:27 PM »
Yes Dan Borno, Abin da ciwo, but seeing maza cheat much more often than women then it is really a hypocritical attitude for men to say they will discontinue the relationship. Kuma I am sure da za a ce shi Bobo din is married for example, his wife will not leave him because of this, Bugu da kari kuma,  jim kadan in ya nemi ya auri wata nan gaba, wannan abin ba zai sha gaban sa ba, ya bata masa al'amari kamar yadda ita Maryam din zai bata mata. Saboda haka since she has someone who is willing to overlook this, why should we judge too harshly? If we were in the same boat wouldnt we want some sympathy? Haba jama'a!!


 It is absolutely unfair a ce wai maza ne za su amsa wannan question din. After all a man was also a culprit in the affair.  Kuma ku maza that accuse women of too much kishi and talk about zama da kishiya, now u turn round and tell me that you cant find it in you to forgive even if you cant forget. Double standards ko? What's good for the goose is bad for the gander ko?
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Re: Hausa Fim
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2007, 12:23:11 AM »
Kuma I am sure da za a ce shi Bobo din is married for example, his wife will not leave him because of this,

Unfortunately, from the reports we received while compiling a special edition of FIM magazine (August 2007), Malam Bobo WAS married -- his missus left him when the scandal broke. I don't doubt there may be other women willing to marry him because he has become some kinda stud, although it would seem a wrong reason to marry a man. Now we are moving into "who is more right, who is more wrong" territory! Enjoy the debates!

 


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